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chief118
01-30-2006, 08:25 PM
Is there any way the chiefs would make a big move in the drat to get an impact player that could make a differnce in '06. Like M. Williams or the top DT in the draft. If the donkeys get T.O. and the faiders get the love boat from M.N. and the chargers are going to be able to pick before us. Isnt time for the Chiefs to do something big, make some kind of big statment? I'm a Die Hard Chiefs fan, and it kills me year after year that I have to watch my friends, or, one my family's member's team in the playoffs. I meen I'm ready to hit someone in the mouth if they talk about our team. Thats why CP needs to do something for the fans . The Chiefs fans are the best fans in the NFL, Make a big move for us we deserve it. :banghead:

Dave Lane
01-30-2006, 08:31 PM
We are way to far down (20th) to make a big jump and we need lots of fresh blood coming in as the vets are getting up there.

Dave

Logical
01-30-2006, 08:42 PM
8 Ball says

It will be a cold day in hell first.

SoCalBronco
01-30-2006, 08:43 PM
Generally speaking, you have to pay a substantial premium over and above what the often cited value chart says to move up in the draft. This is going to be even more severe in a deep draft like this. If you want to make a big move, your going to have to part with alot of really key assets.

chief118
01-30-2006, 08:51 PM
well we need to do something. we need to keep up with the other teams in the division, if they make a big move we need to make a big move.

Mecca
01-30-2006, 08:55 PM
well we need to do something. we need to keep up with the other teams in the division, if they make a big move we need to make a big move.

There aren't going to be any big moves this year, we made those last year. This is the Chiefs down year in the 2 year cycle.......

SoCalBronco
01-30-2006, 08:57 PM
There aren't going to be any big moves this year, we made those last year. This is the Chiefs down year in the 2 year cycle.......

Im not sure about that. The Chiefs are holding all the cards with Priest Holmes. They can force him to take a deep pay cut. Also, it is unlikely Bell will see the second half of his bonus. So I think there is going to be money there. The key,as always is, are the Chiefs going to actually spend up to the hilt.

Hoover
01-30-2006, 09:00 PM
What we need to do is make some solid FA moves and draft for the future.

In this draft I would look at Oline, D Line, DBs, and a HB.

The best thing about this team (if Roaf and Shields come back) is that there really isn't a huge hole to fill. Sure we could use some upgrades at certain positions, but thats ture with every team.

milkman
01-30-2006, 09:10 PM
well we need to do something. we need to keep up with the other teams in the division, if they make a big move we need to make a big move.

My advise to you.

Hit your family members in the mouth.

Adept Havelock
01-30-2006, 09:26 PM
The key,as always is, are the Chiefs going to actually spend up to the hilt.

We're close enough to the cap each year that I'm not really concerned about that. It's how much over/under we are and what we've got to work with as far as Players willing to renegotiate that I'd see as key. :thumb:

dj56dt58
01-30-2006, 09:43 PM
I say we make a trade and trade our draft pick for 2 lower picks with at least one coming in the first round. I mean face it, you never know if a player is going to live up to his potential in the NFL. The more picks you get, even if they are lower, gives you a better shot at striking gold. Jared Allen was a 4th round pick....

Johnson&Johnson
01-30-2006, 09:51 PM
picking 20th isn't as bad as you may think. the fact that this draft includes a lot of offensive firepower at the top, maybe there's a chance some defensive player might fall in between 10-20.

The key for us is to draft right. no more drafting a 1st rounder who can't contribute in 2006. We need to make sure our 1st round draft will start in 2006

leviw
01-30-2006, 10:03 PM
picking 20th isn't as bad as you may think. the fact that this draft includes a lot of offensive firepower at the top, maybe there's a chance some defensive player might fall in between 10-20.

The key for us is to draft right. no more drafting a 1st rounder who can't contribute in 2006. We need to make sure our 1st round draft will start in 2006

Thought Derrick Johnson did a fine job conributing this year.

Johnson&Johnson
01-30-2006, 10:24 PM
Thought Derrick Johnson did a fine job conributing this year.

Agreed. BUt I was refering more toward the years prior to DJ. The Ryan Simms (02), Slyvester Morris (00), Victor Riley (98), John Tait (99)
and what the F*** did we do with our 2004 1sr round pick? We traded down for extra picks we got (2nd rounders) Siavii and Kris Wilson.

All of the above mentioned did not do squat for us til their 2nd or 3rd season. I can understand reaching for a prospect in day 2 of the draft.

Here's a quick breakdown of our 1st rd picks

1998 Victor Riley
1999 John Tait
2000 Sylvester Morris
2001 (Trent Green) trade
2002 Ryan Simms
2003 *Larry Johnson
2004 (traded down for extra picks)
2005 Derrick Johnson
2006 -- seems like the Johnsons fair well when we draft them with our 1st round pick :hmmm:

Spicy McHaggis
01-30-2006, 11:23 PM
picking 20th isn't as bad as you may think. the fact that this draft includes a lot of offensive firepower at the top, maybe there's a chance some defensive player might fall in between 10-20.

Last 5 years of the 20th pick.

Marcus Spears 2005
Kenechi Udeze 2004
George Foster 2003
Javon Walker 2002
Casey Hampton 2001

Not a bad group aside from the cheap shot Donkey. I agree that at 20th there isn't any reason we can't find talent that should start this coming year.

Mecca
01-31-2006, 12:18 AM
Last 5 years of the 20th pick.

Marcus Spears 2005
Kenechi Udeze 2004
George Foster 2003
Javon Walker 2002
Casey Hampton 2001

Not a bad group aside from the cheap shot Donkey. I agree that at 20th there isn't any reason we can't find talent that should start this coming year.


There will be some players there, problem is this team has a history of not picking the right guy........

htismaqe
01-31-2006, 06:00 AM
The problem with the Chiefs is not where we pick, or how much salary cap room we'll have.

1) I GUARANTEE that we'll spend every bit of cap space we have.

2) I GUARANTEE that a good/great player will be pick at #20 or after in the 1st round.

The Chiefs problems, and the answers to both 1 and 2 above are the same:

It's who the Chiefs choose. THAT is the problem.

They select the wrong guy in the draft and they spend their available cap money in the "off year" of the 2-year cycle on shit like Jerome Woods, Greg Wesley, and Eric Hicks.

Amnorix
01-31-2006, 06:51 AM
Usually, the thinking is that there are about 20 impact players in any given draft, you just have to be good (and lucky) enough to take one of them.

This is thought to be an unusually deep draft. I have no doubt that you guys will have some excellent choices at the 20th spot.

Pats are right behind you at 21. I wouldn't be surprised to see us move up a little (no higher than 15), stay right where we are, or drop back some picks in order to pick up extra picks. BB/SP love to do that when they think there is a strong board and there's alot of value in the 2nd (especially) and 3rd rounds.

Amnorix
01-31-2006, 06:52 AM
Don't focus too much on just who was taken at #20 in prior drafts. Look at the 18-25 range and you'll see lots of very good players selected over the years. Just gotta use the pick wisely. The value is there, you just need to SEE it.

htismaqe
01-31-2006, 06:57 AM
Don't focus too much on just who was taken at #20 in prior drafts. Look at the 18-25 range and you'll see lots of very good players selected over the years. Just gotta use the pick wisely. The value is there, you just need to SEE it.

Uh, you're a Pats fan.

We're talking about the CHIEFS.

:D

:banghead: