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KingPriest2
02-05-2006, 10:39 PM
Career leader for a WR for Pittsburgh and a MVP of XL

4-time Pro Bowler: 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004
Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1998 pit | 16 | 1 13 13.0 0 | 15 246 16.4 0 |
| 1999 pit | 16 | 2 -2 -1.0 0 | 61 638 10.5 7 |
| 2000 pit | 16 | 4 53 13.2 0 | 48 672 14.0 4 |
| 2001 pit | 16 | 10 83 8.3 0 | 94 1003 10.7 4 |
| 2002 pit | 16 | 12 142 11.8 0 | 112 1329 11.9 12 |
| 2003 pit | 16 | 11 61 5.5 0 | 95 1163 12.2 10 |
| 2004 pit | 16 | 7 25 3.6 1 | 80 1004 12.6 4 |
| 2005 pit | 15 | 3 10 3.3 0 | 69 975 14.1 11 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 127 | 50 385 7.7 1 | 574 7030 12.2 52 |
Seasons among the league's top 10
Receptions: 2001-8, 2002-2, 2003-5t
Receiving yards: 2002-4, 2003-9
Receiving TDs: 2002-2, 2003-4t, 2005-3t
Rush/Receive TDs: 2002-10
Hines Ward is not in the all-time top 50 in any major category.
Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
2001 bal W,27-10 | 1 6 0 | 3 37 0
2001 nwe L,17-24 | 1 -2 0 | 6 64 0
2002 cle W,36-33 | 1 4 0 | 11 104 1
2002 ten L,31-34 | 2 1 0 | 7 82 2
2004 nyj W,20-17 | 0 0 0 | 10 105 1
2004 nwe L,27-41 | 0 0 0 | 5 109 1
2005 cin W,31-17 | 0 0 0 | 2 10 1
2005 ind W,21-18 | 0 0 0 | 3 68 0
2005 den W,34-17 | 1 4 0 | 5 59 1
*2005 sea W,21-10 | 1 18 0 | 5 123 1---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 7 31 0 | 57 761 8



Compared to Lynn Swann
3-time Pro Bowler: 1975, 1977, 1978
+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1974 pit | 11 | 1 14 14.0 0 | 11 208 18.9 2 |
| 1975 pit | 14 | 3 13 4.3 0 | 49 781 15.9 11 |
| 1976 pit | 12 | 1 2 2.0 0 | 28 516 18.4 3 |
| 1977 pit | 14 | 2 6 3.0 0 | 50 789 15.8 7 |
| 1978 pit | 16 | 1 7 7.0 0 | 61 880 14.4 11 |
| 1979 pit | 13 | 1 9 9.0 1 | 41 808 19.7 5 |
| 1980 pit | 13 | 1 -4 -4.0 0 | 44 710 16.1 7 |
| 1981 pit | 13 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 34 505 14.9 5 |
| 1982 pit | 9 | 1 25 25.0 0 | 18 265 14.7 0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 115 | 11 72 6.5 1 | 336 5462 16.3 51 |

Seasons among the league's top 10
Receptions: 1977-7t, 1978-7t
Receiving yards: 1975-8, 1977-4, 1978-7
Receiving TDs: 1975-1t, 1977-6t, 1978-2
Rush/Receive TDs: 1975-7t, 1978-5t

Lynn Swann is not in the all-time top 50 in any major category.


Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
1975 bal W,28-10 | 0 0 0 | 2 15 0
1975 oak W,16-10 | 0 0 0 | 2 45 0
*1975 dal W,21-17 | 0 0 0 | 4 161 1
1976 bal W,40-14 | 0 0 0 | 5 77 2
1976 oak L,7-24 | 0 0 0 | 3 58 0
1977 den L,21-34 | 0 0 0 | 1 6 0
1978 den W,33-10 | 0 0 0 | 2 52 1
1978 hou W,34-5 | 0 0 0 | 4 98 1
*1978 dal W,35-31 | 0 0 0 | 7 124 1
1979 mia W,34-14 | 0 0 0 | 3 37 1
1979 hou W,27-13 | 0 0 0 | 4 64 0
*1979 ram W,31-19 | 0 0 0 | 5 79 1
1982 sdg L,28-31 | 0 0 0 | 1 14 0
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 0 0 0 | 43 830 8

* - Super Bowl

John Stallworth
3-time Pro Bowler: 1979, 1982, 1984
Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1974 pit | 13 | 1 -9 -9.0 0 | 16 269 16.8 1 |
| 1975 pit | 11 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 20 423 21.1 4 |
| 1976 pit | 8 | 1 47 47.0 1 | 9 111 12.3 2 |
| 1977 pit | 14 | 6 47 7.8 0 | 44 784 17.8 7 |
| 1978 pit | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 41 798 19.5 9 |
| 1979 pit | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 70 1183 16.9 8 |
| 1980 pit | 3 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 9 197 21.9 1 |
| 1981 pit | 16 | 1 17 17.0 0 | 63 1098 17.4 5 |
| 1982 pit | 9 | 1 9 9.0 0 | 27 441 16.3 7 |
| 1983 pit | 4 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 8 100 12.5 0 |
| 1984 pit | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 80 1395 17.4 11 |
| 1985 pit | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 75 937 12.5 5 |
| 1986 pit | 11 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 34 466 13.7 1 |
| 1987 pit | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 41 521 12.7 2 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 165 | 10 111 11.1 1 | 537 8723 16.2 63 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Seasons among the league's top 10
Receptions: 1979-6, 1984-4t, 1985-8
Receiving yards: 1977-5, 1979-2, 1981-10, 1984-2
Receiving TDs: 1977-6t, 1978-4t, 1979-8t, 1982-3, 1984-4
Rush/Receive TDs: 1982-9t, 1984-10t

Among the league's all-time top 50
Receiving yards: 45
Receiving TDs: 44t

Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
1975 oak W,16-10 | 0 0 0 | 2 30 1
*1975 dal W,21-17 | 0 0 0 | 2 8 0
1976 bal W,40-14 | 0 0 0 | 1 8 0
1976 oak L,7-24 | 0 0 0 | 1 18 0
1977 den L,21-34 | 0 0 0 | 4 80 0
1978 den W,33-10 | 0 0 0 | 10 156 1
1978 hou W,34-5 | 0 0 0 | 1 17 1
*1978 dal W,35-31 | 0 0 0 | 3 115 2
1979 mia W,34-14 | 0 0 0 | 6 86 1
1979 hou W,27-13 | 0 0 0 | 3 52 1
*1979 ram W,31-19 | 0 0 0 | 3 121 1
1982 sdg L,28-31 | 0 0 0 | 8 116 1
1983 rai L,10-38 | 0 0 0 | 1 58 1
1984 den W,24-17 | 0 0 0 | 3 38 0
1984 mia L,28-45 | 0 0 0 | 4 111 2
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 0 0 0 | 52 1014 12

Simplex3
02-05-2006, 11:02 PM
If he isn't he's sure closing in on it fast.

KingPriest2
02-05-2006, 11:06 PM
If Swann is in (which I think he should not) then Ward is in.

Rain Man
02-05-2006, 11:29 PM
Swann and Stalworth shouldn't be in.

Dunit35
02-05-2006, 11:36 PM
He probably will be someday.

Mecca
02-05-2006, 11:55 PM
Of course Art Monk has better stats than all these guys.........yet he can't get in.

I'm also not sure they can make a bust to look like Hines Ward with that weird smile face he does.

KingPriest2
02-06-2006, 10:26 AM
Swann and Stalworth shouldn't be in.


Totally agree with you.

Phobia
02-06-2006, 10:30 AM
Swann and Stalworth shouldn't be in.

Yeah - they should be in the Hall of SuperBowl Fame instead - along with Doug Williams.

htismaqe
02-06-2006, 10:42 AM
Art Monk was a compiler. Being "steady" for a long, long time doesn't warrant induction IMO. You need to be a DOMINANT player.

Swann and Stalworth won 4 rings, which is why they got in. IMO, rings should be a criteria for induction either -- football is a team game, and championships are a team accomplishment. Again, neither was DOMINANT in their day.

Derrick Thomas should be in goddammit.

cdcox
02-06-2006, 10:59 AM
First of all, until this batch of Steelers win 2 more SB, you can leave off the comparisons to Stallworth and Swann. For several years, Canton was intent on putting as many of those '70's Steelers in the HOF as possible. I'm surprised Rocky Bliar isn't in. They also played in a different era with regard to WR stats.

Ward is a possession receiver, which will work against him (see Art Monk). He isn't a game changer or one of the very elite WR of his generation. He's very good, consistent and does a lot of things well. IMO, he needs 1 of the following 2 to have a decent shot:

12,000 career yards
another SB apperance, win would be better.

If he got both, it would be a slam dunk.

Garcia Bronco
02-06-2006, 11:09 AM
If Ward should get in..rod Smith should get in...and while Rod Smith is an excellent football player that has beat the odds....he shouldn't be in the Hall as of right now,.

ChiefsfaninPA
02-06-2006, 11:15 AM
If Ward should get in..rod Smith should get in...and while Rod Smith is an excellent football player that has beat the odds....he shouldn't be in the Hall as of right now,.


Well than Rod Smith isn't getting in, he is not getting any younger so his best days are behind him.

Phobia
02-06-2006, 11:17 AM
They also played in a different era with regard to WR stats.

Until OT is inducted, this excuse doesn't fly in my airspace.

JBucc
02-06-2006, 11:19 AM
Probably not right now, but isn't he still pretty young?

MahiMike
02-06-2006, 11:24 AM
All I can say to this thread is: ROFL

Mile High Mania
02-06-2006, 12:13 PM
Rod Smith has numbers that are equal to or better than Irvin... if he has another 1,000 yard / 5 TD year, he'll be due serious consideration. Smith's numbers are better than Ward and he has 2 SB rings.

Rod Smith
Undrafted FA in 1995 / 11 seasons
Ranking Among All Time Top 50
Receptions - 15
Yards - 16
TDs - 35
Yards from scrimmage - 41

8 - 1,000 yard Seasons
2 - 100+ reception seasons
9 - 70+ reception seasons

797 receptions
10,877 yards
65 TDs
13.6 avg
3 Pro Bowls
2 SB Rings

Skip Towne
02-06-2006, 12:19 PM
Rod Smith has numbers that are equal to or better than Irvin... if he has another 1,000 yard / 5 TD year, he'll be due serious consideration. Smith's numbers are better than Ward and he has 2 SB rings.

Rod Smith
Undrafted FA in 1995 / 11 seasons
Ranking Among All Time Top 50
Receptions - 15
Yards - 16
TDs - 35
Yards from scrimmage - 41

8 - 1,000 yard Seasons
2 - 100+ reception seasons
9 - 70+ reception seasons

797 receptions
10,877 yards
65 TDs
13.6 avg
3 Pro Bowls
2 SB Rings
Yeah, but he's a stinkin' Donk.

JBucc
02-06-2006, 01:16 PM
Part of me wants Rod Smith to get in because he's from Arkansas, but a larger part of me wants him to not get in because I hate him.

phxchief
02-06-2006, 02:01 PM
No. No to Smith. No to Monk. No to Bettis.

Hall of ****ing Fame, not Hall of Very Good/Consistent/Mediocre all in one.

ct
02-06-2006, 02:13 PM
I think there is a damn good chance Hines Ward gets in. He may not be a DOMINANT WR, but he is very well respected for his all-around hustle, and viscious blocker. When the time comes and his name comes up eligible, believe it, the talking heads will be ALL over that!!

Right or wrong, you decide, that's just the way I see it coming down.

Demonpenz
02-07-2006, 01:30 AM
ward is a hell of a blocker

Mile High Mania
02-07-2006, 05:43 AM
No. No to Smith. No to Monk. No to Bettis.

Hall of ****ing Fame, not Hall of Very Good/Consistent/Mediocre all in one.

Then, you're a fan of Terrell Davis getting in... longevity apparently doesn't roll with you and the HOF.

the Talking Can
02-07-2006, 05:51 AM
Hines Ward?

no

Count Zarth
02-07-2006, 06:05 AM
No to Emmitt Smith? You're out of your mind.

Reaper16
02-07-2006, 07:59 AM
No to Emmitt Smith? You're out of your mind.
Rod

Brock
02-07-2006, 08:02 AM
No. No to Smith. No to Monk. No to Bettis.

Hall of ****ing Fame, not Hall of Very Good/Consistent/Mediocre all in one.


That's incredibly ignorant. Bettis has the numbers for sure.