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Mr. Laz
02-13-2006, 10:59 AM
By: Robert Davis | Updated 1/30
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<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/reggie_bush.html" class="maintext">Reggie Bush, RB, USC</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/matt_leinart.html" class="maintext">Matt Leinart, QB, USC</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/dbrickashaw_ferguson.html" class="maintext">D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/mario_williams.html" class="maintext">Mario Williams, DE, North Carolina St.</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/aj_hawk.html" class="maintext">A.J. Hawk, LB, Ohio St.</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/deangelo_williams.html" class="maintext">DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/vince_young.html" class="maintext">Vince Young, QB, Texas, Jr.</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/haloti_ngata.html" class="maintext">Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/jimmy_williams.html" class="maintext">Jimmy Williams, DB, Va Tech</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/brodrick_bunkley.html" class="maintext">Brodrick Bunkley, DT, Florida St.</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/marcus_mcneill.html" class="maintext">Marcus McNeill, OT, Auburn</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/mathias_kiwanuka.html" class="maintext">Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/michael_huff.html" class="maintext">Michael Huff, S, Texas</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/chad_greenway.html" class="maintext">Chad Greenway, LB, Iowa</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/lendale_white.html" class="maintext">LenDale White, RB, USC</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/tamba_hali.html" class="maintext">Tamba Hali, DE, Penn St.</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/tye_hill.html" class="maintext">Tye Hill, CB, Clemson</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/santonio_holmes.html" class="maintext">Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio St. Jr.</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/jonathon_scott.html" class="maintext">Jonathan Scott, OT, Texas</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/jay_cutler.html" class="maintext">Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/laurence_maroney.html" class="maintext">Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota, Jr.</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/manny_lawson.html" class="maintext">Manny Lawson, DE, North Carolina St.</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/darnell_bing.html" class="maintext">Darnell Bing, S, USC, Jr.</a>
<li> Eric Winston, OT, Miami
<li> Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/winston_justice.html" class="maintext">Winston Justice, OT, USC</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/claude_wroten.html" class="maintext">Claude Wroten, DT, LSU</a>
<li> Richard Marshall, CB, Fresno St. Jr.
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/martin_nance.html" class="maintext">Martin Nance, WR, Miami(OH)</a>
<li> Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland Jr.
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/max_jean-gilles.html" class="maintext">Max Jean-Gilles, Georgia</a>
<li> Chad Jackson, WR, Florida, Jr.
<li> Gabe Watson, DT, Michigan
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/deuce_lutui.html" class="maintext">Taitusi Lutui, USC</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/jason_allen.html" class="maintext">Jason Allen, DB, Tennessee</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/demeco_ryans.html" class="maintext"> DeMeco Ryans, LB, Alabama</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/daryn_colledge.html" class="maintext">Daryn Colledge, OT, Boise St.</a>
<li> Ko Simpson, S, South Carolina, So.
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/ashton_youboty.html" class="maintext">Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio St, Jr.</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/andrew_whitworth.html" class="maintext">Andrew Whitworth, OT, LSU</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/dominique_byrd.html" class="maintext">Dominique Byrd, TE, USC</a>
<li> Ernie Sims, LB, Florida St. Jr.
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/dqwell_jackson.html" class="maintext">D'Qwell Jackson, LB, Maryland</a>
<li> Cromartie, DB, Florida St. Jr
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/derek_hagan.html" class="maintext">Derek Hagan, WR, Arizona St.</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/davin_joseph.html" class="maintext">Davin Joseph, OG, Oklahoma</a>
<li> Sinorice Moss, WR, Miami
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/bobby_carpenter.html" class="maintext"> Bobby Carpenter, LB, Ohio St.</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/omar_jacobs.html" class="maintext">Omar Jacobs, QB, Bowling Green, Jr.</a>
<li> <a href="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/nick_mangold.html" class="maintext"> Nick Mangold, C, Ohio St.</a>

htismaqe
02-13-2006, 11:00 AM
There's just no way we can **** up the 20th pick, is there?

There's gonna be some damn good players available when we pick, that's for sure.

Mr. Laz
02-13-2006, 11:12 AM
There's just no way we can **** up the 20th pick, is there?

There's gonna be some damn good players available when we pick, that's for sure.
i don't know ... with some offensive and questionable guy listed in this top 20. :shrug:

the offensive tackles have taken a total dump except for Brick ... i don't know if i want Kiwi at all.

Tribal Warfare
02-13-2006, 11:20 AM
There's just no way we can **** up the 20th pick, is there?

There's gonna be some damn good players available when we pick, that's for sure.


Parker, this list isn't update. I don't create "waves", but it's obsolete currently.

Chiefnj
02-13-2006, 11:23 AM
Parker, this list isn't update. I don't create "waves", but it's obsolete currently.

Why is it obsolete? Shouldn't the play for 3 or 4 seasons at college be the biggest factor? Between now and 1 day before the draft you are going to see completely and utterly useless mocks that change for no real reason. One kid will bench press 5 more times than another and some idiot will have him jump 20 spots.

htismaqe
02-13-2006, 11:26 AM
i don't know ... with some offensive and questionable guy listed in this top 20. :shrug:

the offensive tackles have taken a total dump except for Brick ... i don't know if i want Kiwi at all.

I don't want Kiwi either.

Tribal Warfare
02-13-2006, 11:32 AM
Why is it obsolete? Shouldn't the play for 3 or 4 seasons at college be the biggest factor? Between now and 1 day before the draft you are going to see completely and utterly useless mocks that change for no real reason. One kid will bench press 5 more times than another and some idiot will have him jump 20 spots.

A good example is Demarcus Ware. a sure bet as a second rounder, but elevated his stock to the top 15.

BigChiefFan
02-13-2006, 04:04 PM
I don't want Kiwi either. I wouldn't mind Kiwi just not in the first round. I think his stock is dropping alot. He either needs to kick ass at the combine or he may fall even further. Right now, I think he's a strong 2nd rounder.

htismaqe
02-14-2006, 07:54 AM
I wouldn't mind Kiwi just not in the first round. I think his stock is dropping alot. He either needs to kick ass at the combine or he may fall even further. Right now, I think he's a strong 2nd rounder.

I just don't think Kiwi is gonna be able to handle NFL tackles. If he drops like a rock, I might take him late...

BigChiefFan
02-14-2006, 10:52 AM
I just don't think Kiwi is gonna be able to handle NFL tackles. If he drops like a rock, I might take him late...
He has been a force in the collegiate ranks, I don't see him falling further than a 3rd rounder. Alot had him cemented as a 1st rounder last year, if he would have entered the draft. I think, he's a mid 2nd rounder who could rise or fall with the combine.

Mr. Laz
02-14-2006, 10:56 AM
kiwi for our 2nd rd pick (42nd???) would be a decent pick.

he does have athletic potiential ... i just think he's gonna take some time to learn the new moves it's gonna take for him to be successful in the NFL.

1st picks should be NFL ready

dj56dt58
02-19-2006, 02:52 PM
The combine is overrated. People will jump or fall for the stupidest things. You can't measure heart and determination and that's what it all comes down to.

htismaqe
02-19-2006, 03:14 PM
kiwi for our 2nd rd pick (42nd???) would be a decent pick.

he does have athletic potiential ... i just think he's gonna take some time to learn the new moves it's gonna take for him to be successful in the NFL.

1st picks should be NFL ready

It would be more than a decent pick, right now it would be a big steal. I'd take him in the 2nd. I was talking more about taking him in the 1st, which right now isn't a good idea IMO.

milkman
02-19-2006, 04:43 PM
It would be more than a decent pick, right now it would be a big steal. I'd take him in the 2nd. I was talking more about taking him in the 1st, which right now isn't a good idea IMO.

The question to me is, is he good enough right now to contribute from day one.

Our first rounder has to be someone that can unseat one of the useless POS on our defense.

Our second rounder has to be someone that can contribute, if not start, from day one.

jspchief
02-19-2006, 05:28 PM
The question to me is, is he good enough right now to contribute from day one.

Our first rounder has to be someone that can unseat one of the useless POS on our defense.

Our second rounder has to be someone that can contribute, if not start, from day one.IMO, I'd like both the first and 2nd round pick have a legitimate shot to compete for a starting role. That means a guy that will come in and force a vet to up his level of play, or replace him.

That's why I'm so high on drafting a safety. Besides being one of many needs, it's a position that has a history of paying fast dividends from high draft picks. If you look at the safeties taken in the first two rounds over the last few years, there's a high success rate, with fast results and very few busts. IMO, only the RB position is comparable in terms of a position where rookies can make such a quick impact.

I don't see Kiwi as a starter this year. He might not ever be one in our defense. He strikes me more as a pass rush specialist, and I don't want to use a high pick on a part time player. I don't know who else might be there in round 2, and I suppose most of the line positon guys would only be roatation guys early. I just see Kiwanuka as a project, much like Siavii.

milkman
02-19-2006, 05:32 PM
IMO, I'd like both the first and 2nd round pick have a legitimate shot to compete for a starting role. That means a guy that will come in and force a vet to up his level of play, or replace him.

That's why I'm so high on drafting a safety. Besides being one of many needs, it's a position that has a history of paying fast dividends from high draft picks. If you look at the safeties taken in the first two rounds over the last few years, there's a high success rate, with fast results and very few busts. IMO, only the RB position is comparable in terms of a position where rookies can make such a quick impact.

I don't see Kiwi as a starter this year. He might not ever be one in our defense. He strikes me more as a pass rush specialist, and I don't want to use a high pick on a part time player. I don't know who else might be there in round 2, and I suppose most of the line positon guys would only be roatation guys early. I just see Kiwanuka as a project, much like Siavii.

That's the same impression I'm getting from reading the scouting reports on him.

dj56dt58
02-20-2006, 08:59 PM
I wonder how many busts are in that list...

PHOG
02-21-2006, 09:09 AM
kiwi for our 2nd rd pick (42nd???) would be a decent pick.
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According to the 7 round mock draft thread, our 2nd rounder is the 54th pick.