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penguinz
02-13-2006, 12:16 PM
Ford is developing a new form of automotive propulsion, and the implications for the American Auto Industry are huge. The Hydraulic Hybrid could be the greatest innovation since the internal combustion engine itself, and Ford is on the inside track with its F-150 Hybrid. New Tech Spy Has learned details about the system that are simply amazing and could put Ford in a commanding position in the fiercely competitive full size pickup market.
---The Idea behind the current crop of Hybrid cars is well known; the cars main energy comes from gasoline which recharges batteries that move the car at low speeds. Hydraulic Hybrids work in the same manner, only instead of batteries, excess energy is stored in hydraulic cylinders.That in itself is not revolutionary, except for the fact that Nickel Metal Hydride batteries used today are not an efficient way to store energy, and hydraulic storage blows them away with 3X the efficiency. Even next generation Lithium Ion batteries do not come close to Hydraulic Energy Storage.
---The standard F-150 has a curb weight of about 4800 lbs., which is 65% greater than theToyota Prius, yet incredibly the Hydraulic F-150 with a continuously variable transmission matches the Prius with 60mpg city rating, thatís an amazing 400% increase over its gasoline version.
---The F-150 makes for a perfect host for Hydraulic Hybrid technology because of its height and body on frame construction, adding this system to smaller vehicles will be challenging, but with those kind of numbers small vehicles as we know them may become obsolete...The Hydraulic F-150 is currently scheduled for launch in August of 2008, can Ford work out all the bugs by then? The people are waiting for Ford to come through in the clutch.


SOURCE (http://www.newtechspy.com/articles06/hydraulichybrid.html)

Saulbadguy
02-13-2006, 12:17 PM
:clap:

Gonzo
02-13-2006, 12:17 PM
They're going out of buisness any way so who gives a crap. My truck=14mpg and damn proud of it.
V8 baby

Hoover
02-13-2006, 12:18 PM
about effin time!

PHOG
02-13-2006, 12:22 PM
We'll se what the oil gurus have to say about this.. :mad:

Hoover
02-13-2006, 12:25 PM
I think we are seeing the car guys tell the oil guys to fu@k off, because the consumer, for the first time ever in concerned about MPG

PHOG
02-13-2006, 12:30 PM
Well, it's only about 30 years overdue, and you may be right..just look at the record profits of anything oil related.

Could they see the writing on the wall, and taking their last gasp at gouging us? :hmmm: I'm skeptical, but hopeful.

Inspector
02-13-2006, 12:31 PM
I've been working on the latest rubber band technology. The possibilities are enormous.

Mr. Laz
02-13-2006, 12:34 PM
skeptical but hopeful too


any progress away from fossil fuel is a good one imo. :clap:


if they can do this with a heavy truck, what kind of MPG will they get with smaller,lighter cars?

htismaqe
02-13-2006, 12:39 PM
if they can do this with a heavy truck, what kind of MPG will they get with smaller,lighter cars?

Right now, none.

These hydaulic power units won't fit in smaller, lighter cars yet.

Ari Chi3fs
02-13-2006, 12:41 PM
Oh wow.

Skip Towne
02-13-2006, 12:45 PM
Right now, none.

These hydaulic power units won't fit in smaller, lighter cars yet.
They will figure out a way to do it if it pans out for Ford.

Mr. Laz
02-13-2006, 12:46 PM
Right now, none.

These hydaulic power units won't fit in smaller, lighter cars yet.
ahh ... i see, thanks


people are great at making stuff smaller ... shouldn't be too long IF they really want to make them.

htismaqe
02-13-2006, 12:48 PM
What will happen is that Ford will unveil the technology in the F150 and Toyota or Honda will figure out a way to make it smaller...

After all, that's what they're good at, according to Reggie White.

Cochise
02-13-2006, 12:49 PM
I'll believe it when I see it... but hopefully I see it.

I can't help but wonder, if Ford is working on this how many other automakers are working on the next generation hybrids? It seems like it's usually other makers who are the innovators in features, so someone is probably a step ahead.

trndobrd
02-13-2006, 12:50 PM
super compressed hydraulic cylinders? I want to see the video of the first wreck with one of these things

Mr. Laz
02-13-2006, 12:51 PM
i wonder how well it would work if they Incorporated all the various energy stuff into one car?

this hydraulic stuff(smaller)

using breaking to produce electricity

put solar panels in the roof to recharge batteries

some kind of electric tech for using wind while car is moving


think they could viably increase the MPG with existing tech right now?

jidar
02-13-2006, 12:52 PM
300%? Not likely. I notice the article doesn't cite a source.
I've heard of this tech before though, and it's still pretty promising.


http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051218/AUTO01/512180348/1148

chiefsfan1963
02-13-2006, 01:00 PM
Toyota is kicking tail!!!! I have a 2006 Hybrid Highlander 4X4, 31 MPG City, 27 MPG Highway. I also have ES 330 Lexus not Hybrid. Bottom line is Toyota's and Lexus' value is second to none!

American auto industry needs to get on the ball and compete! Good to hear about what Ford has coming out of the pipeline! Hopefully GM, Chrysler, and all the rest need to step up and provide a better product. If they don't they are out.

The American consumer gets the best products for the best price or they don't buy!

kaplin42
02-13-2006, 01:02 PM
Right now, none.

These hydaulic power units won't fit in smaller, lighter cars yet.


And when computers were first invented they took up entire rooms. now I can carry one in my pocket if I choose. Once we have the technology, we can improve on it greatly pretty rapidly.

I for one can't wait. I am a huge 4X4 fan, but I can't afford the gas on one. however, if this article is true, and the engines still have the same power, then you can just pass the paper that has the dotted line right on over here.

They're going out of buisness any way so who gives a crap. My truck=14mpg and damn proud of it.
V8 baby

People like you are the reason gas companys are makin billions of us right now, it's why we are involved in the middle east at all. I'm not saying it's wrong to own a big truck or what not, but to not want to look for an alternative fuel source just because you're too much of a red neck to realize the good that this could do for the planet and for our nation, thats just retarded in my opinion.

Bob Dole
02-13-2006, 01:05 PM
Toyota is kicking tail!!!! I have a 2006 Hybrid Highlander 4X4, 31 MPG City, 27 MPG Highway. I also have ES 330 Lexus not Hybrid. Bottom line is Toyota's and Lexus' value is second to none!

American auto industry needs to get on the ball and compete! Good to hear about what Ford has coming out of the pipeline! Hopefully GM, Chrysler, and all the rest need to step up and provide a better product. If they don't they are out.

The American consumer gets the best products for the best price or they don't buy!

It gets better in town than on the open road?

FAX
02-13-2006, 01:07 PM
It gets better in town than on the open road?

Yeah, that's the way hybrids work, Mr. Bob Dole. The batteries are used at low speeds, when braking, etc. so they're used more in city or stop & go driving.

FAX

kaplin42
02-13-2006, 01:09 PM
It gets better in town than on the open road?


Yeah. The way the hybrids work, is the battery charges when you push the brakes. So theoretically when you stop at lights while in town, you charge the battery and then you run on the electricity built up in the batteries, while on the freeway you dont use your brakes so your battery runs dry, and you switch to gas.

This theory holds true unless you live in los angeles where driving on the freeways is far more stop and go then driving on the streets.

Edit: Spelling is not my friend.

recxjake
02-13-2006, 01:12 PM
BUY AMERICAN......

New 07 Tahoe gets 22 mpg... they hybrid version gets 30 mpg

New 07 Saturn Greenline.... 30+ mpg

E85 Flex Fuel is starting to really catch on......


give GM another look

Dave Lane
02-13-2006, 01:15 PM
I think we are seeing the car guys tell the oil guys to fu@k off, because the consumer, for the first time ever in concerned about MPG

For the first time in a while...

Dave

Pitt Gorilla
02-13-2006, 01:21 PM
Great news. :clap:

patteeu
02-13-2006, 01:22 PM
I think we are seeing the car guys tell the oil guys to fu@k off, because the consumer, for the first time ever in concerned about MPG

People were concerned about mpg back in the 70's too.

patteeu
02-13-2006, 01:24 PM
Right now, none.

These hydaulic power units won't fit in smaller, lighter cars yet.

What is this going to do to the SUV=death dealing machine crowd? Are they going to cheer the alternative energy concept or boo the fact that these machines will pulverize their Yugos?

patteeu
02-13-2006, 01:27 PM
People like you are the reason gas companys are makin billions of us right now, it's why we are involved in the middle east at all. I'm not saying it's wrong to own a big truck or what not, but to not want to look for an alternative fuel source just because you're too much of a red neck to realize the good that this could do for the planet and for our nation, thats just retarded in my opinion.

You are just as much of a problem if you don't walk or bike everywhere and if you don't grow your own food. Get off your soapbox, hypocrite.

Skip Towne
02-13-2006, 01:29 PM
It's good to see Big Oil get a kick in the butt. Not many people know that SONY stands for Standard Oil of New York.

Pitt Gorilla
02-13-2006, 01:32 PM
You are just as much of a problem if you don't walk or bike everywhere and if you don't grow your own food. Get off your soapbox, hypocrite.Damn, pat, you seem to be losing your mind.

Hoover
02-13-2006, 01:34 PM
Toyota is kicking tail!!!! I have a 2006 Hybrid Highlander 4X4, 31 MPG City, 27 MPG Highway. I also have ES 330 Lexus not Hybrid. Bottom line is Toyota's and Lexus' value is second to none!

American auto industry needs to get on the ball and compete! Good to hear about what Ford has coming out of the pipeline! Hopefully GM, Chrysler, and all the rest need to step up and provide a better product. If they don't they are out.

The American consumer gets the best products for the best price or they don't buy!
My next car is a Highlander Hybrid.

Saulbadguy
02-13-2006, 01:39 PM
BUY AMERICAN......

New 07 Tahoe gets 22 mpg... they hybrid version gets 30 mpg

New 07 Saturn Greenline.... 30+ mpg

E85 Flex Fuel is starting to really catch on......


give GM another look
Prices need to come down on hybrids.

Garcia Bronco
02-13-2006, 01:41 PM
I'll buy it if I see it..provided it doesn't burn down my house

Pants
02-13-2006, 01:42 PM
Does recxjake crack anybody esle up?

beer bacon
02-13-2006, 01:48 PM
You are just as much of a problem if you don't walk or bike everywhere and if you don't grow your own food. Get off your soapbox, hypocrite.

No, not really.

ct
02-13-2006, 02:28 PM
What will happen is that Ford will unveil the technology in the F150 and Toyota or Honda will figure out a way to make it smaller...

After all, that's what they're good at, according to Reggie White.

Sony

Because Caucasians are just too damn tall.

tiptap
02-13-2006, 02:34 PM
It is my understanding that there are people beginning to sell kits that let your hybrid provide electricity for your house during outages. You can wrap the expense of emergency power to the purchase of your vehicle.

morphius
02-13-2006, 02:35 PM
Does recxjake crack anybody esle up?
I'm still in the shaking my head stage, but I'm assuming laughter is the next stage.

Brock
02-13-2006, 02:37 PM
Does recxjake crack anybody esle up?

So do you, quite frankly.

Garcia Bronco
02-13-2006, 02:38 PM
My next car is a Highlander Hybrid.

I wonder what the MSRP would be on that......I would say 45k...maybe 50k

Pants
02-13-2006, 02:41 PM
So do you, quite frankly.

I do what I can.

kaplin42
02-13-2006, 02:43 PM
You are just as much of a problem if you don't walk or bike everywhere and if you don't grow your own food. Get off your soapbox, hypocrite.


I think you missed my point. I didnít say owning a v8 was a bad thing, but not wanting to, or be unwilling to research and develop an alternative fuel source because you're too ignorant to realize whets going on in the world is a not a good thing.

Up until recently and in all actuality they still have a long way to go before becoming viable technologies, hybrids werenít available. So how could I chastise someone for not owning what hasnít existed or isnít up to par yet. Itís the unwillingness to change I'm condemning.

patteeu
02-13-2006, 03:06 PM
I think you missed my point. I didnít say owning a v8 was a bad thing, but not wanting to, or be unwilling to research and develop an alternative fuel source because you're too ignorant to realize whets going on in the world is a not a good thing.

Up until recently and in all actuality they still have a long way to go before becoming viable technologies, hybrids werenít available. So how could I chastise someone for not owning what hasnít existed or isnít up to par yet. Itís the unwillingness to change I'm condemning.

I apologize for my harshness, but I disagree with you. When gas prices get too high for him, he will choose a more gas efficient vehicle. Until then, I see no reason to blame him. He pays for every gallon he uses just like you or I do. It's not his fault that America is "addicted to oil." It's also not his responsibility to sacrifice so that others can have more of it or so that others can get it cheap. Gas prices and market forces help to insure that only those who value oil the most, get it.

Brock
02-13-2006, 03:36 PM
I apologize for my harshness, but I disagree with you. When gas prices get too high for him, he will choose a more gas efficient vehicle. Until then, I see no reason to blame him. He pays for every gallon he uses just like you or I do. It's not his fault that America is "addicted to oil." It's also not his responsibility to sacrifice so that others can have more of it or so that others can get it cheap. Gas prices and market forces help to insure that only those who value oil the most, get it.


Also, don't you get a tax credit for buying a hybrid?

PastorMikH
02-13-2006, 04:03 PM
One thing I am interested in with the hybrids is maintenance costs. Just how solid will these components be over 10-15 years? I presently have a Nissan Stanza that has required almost NO work in 19 years and a Toyota Landcruiser that is 30 years old and is VERY reliable. How will these hybrids with all the extra parts hold up and how will repair costs compare to the current models? Battery cells aren't cheap, it cost me $400 last year to buy batteries for my golf cart, and I am told they need replaced every 3-5 years. How about the battery cells in cars? How long will they last, and how much will they cost to replace?


Not against hybrids mind you, just wondering about some of the variables that enter in with them.

Skip Towne
02-13-2006, 04:13 PM
One thing I am interested in with the hybrids is maintenance costs. Just how solid will these components be over 10-15 years? I presently have a Nissan Stanza that has required almost NO work in 19 years and a Toyota Landcruiser that is 30 years old and is VERY reliable. How will these hybrids with all the extra parts hold up and how will repair costs compare to the current models? Battery cells aren't cheap, it cost me $400 last year to buy batteries for my golf cart, and I am told they need replaced every 3-5 years. How about the battery cells in cars? How long will they last, and how much will they cost to replace?


Not against hybrids mind you, just wondering about some of the variables that enter in with them.
I think maintenance will be an absolute nighmare for several years after they become commonplace. Just because the manufacturer is the only one who knows anything about them. You will have to go to them for service. And they have never taken any prisoners.

recxjake
02-13-2006, 04:14 PM
http://www.gm.com/company/onlygm/

http://www.gm.com/company/onlygm/livegreengoyellow/index.html?directEntry=tv

http://www.gmbuypower.com/homePage.bp?


Heres a cool website about E85


1. It's an alternative fuel to gasoline
that's a blend of 85% ethanol and
15% gasoline.

2. E85 ethanol is a high-octane, domestically-produced renewable fuel.

3. FlexFuel vehicles can run on E85 ethanol, gasoline, or any blend of both.

4. E85 ethanol helps reduce greenhouse gas emissions and our dependence on petroleum.

5. E85 ethanol has a higher octane rating than gasoline, allowing for more horsepower and torque

banyon
02-13-2006, 04:16 PM
I apologize for my harshness, but I disagree with you. When gas prices get too high for him, he will choose a more gas efficient vehicle. Until then, I see no reason to blame him. He pays for every gallon he uses just like you or I do. It's not his fault that America is "addicted to oil." It's also not his responsibility to sacrifice so that others can have more of it or so that others can get it cheap. Gas prices and market forces help to insure that only those who value oil the most, get it.

YOU ....WILL..BELIEVE...THE FREE MARKET IS THE SOLUTION TO ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS!!!

Miles
02-13-2006, 04:18 PM
Also, don't you get a tax credit for buying a hybrid?

Yeah it just started this year for most hybrids. Some states offer tax incentives as well.

recxjake
02-13-2006, 04:20 PM
Yeah it just started this year for most hybrids. Some states offer tax incentives as well.

Still though it doesnt make much since, i believe its $3,000 right?? Well you have to spend 5,000 more for a hybrid.... it will take years to make up that.... i dont think its worth it

Pitt Gorilla
02-13-2006, 04:20 PM
http://www.gm.com/company/onlygm/

http://www.gm.com/company/onlygm/livegreengoyellow/index.html?directEntry=tv

http://www.gmbuypower.com/homePage.bp?


Heres a cool website about E85


1. It's an alternative fuel to gasoline
that's a blend of 85% ethanol and
15% gasoline.

2. E85 ethanol is a high-octane, domestically-produced renewable fuel.

3. FlexFuel vehicles can run on E85 ethanol, gasoline, or any blend of both.

4. E85 ethanol helps reduce greenhouse gas emissions and our dependence on petroleum.

5. E85 ethanol has a higher octane rating than gasoline, allowing for more horsepower and torqueI've been pushing E85 for YEARS, along with Biodiesel. Why the sudden interest?

recxjake
02-13-2006, 04:22 PM
I've been pushing E85 for YEARS, along with Biodiesel. Why the sudden interest?


Because my dad has worked for GMAC for 35 years and now that he's 1 year away from retiring they muck up his pension and health care...... I want GM to make it...... I live in Iowa..... its good for both of them



have you seen the new saab 9-5 biodiesel.... its pretty sweet

http://www.gm.com/company/gm_exp_live/events/chicago_2006/index_flash.html

Saul Good
02-13-2006, 04:23 PM
It's good to see Big Oil get a kick in the butt. Not many people know that SONY stands for Standard Oil of New York.
Not many people know it because it isn't true.
http://www.snopes.com/business/names/sony.asp

Miles
02-13-2006, 04:27 PM
Still though it doesnt make much since, i believe its $3,000 right?? Well you have to spend 5,000 more for a hybrid.... it will take years to make up that.... i dont think its worth it

It varies depending on the car with a possible high of $3400. The IRS hasn't released the exact figures as far as I know. The Prius is estimated to be about $3100 while some of them like the Chevy trucks are only estimated at about $250.

recxjake
02-13-2006, 04:28 PM
It varies depending on the car with a possible high of $3400. The IRS hasn't released the exact figures as far as I know. The Prius is estimated to be about $3100 while some of them like the Chevy trucks are only estimated at about $250.

yea they current Chevy Truck Hybrids are a joke... they only get 1 or 2 more mpg.... but the new 07's should do much better... they will be out in October

Baby Lee
02-13-2006, 04:35 PM
What will happen is that Ford will unveil the technology in the F150 and Toyota or Honda will figure out a way to make it smaller...
Seems to me that hydraulics is uniquely resistant to miniaturization. It's about volume, pressure and displacement. The only variables would be pressure capacity of the holding unit, rigidity of the holding unit [efficiency of transfer], and resiliance of the medium [both pressure capacity and efficiency of transfer].
Saying that Toyota will make a smaller hydraulic unit is like saying they made smaller diamonds.

Bearcat
02-13-2006, 05:06 PM
BUY AMERICAN......

New 07 Tahoe gets 22 mpg... they hybrid version gets 30 mpg

New 07 Saturn Greenline.... 30+ mpg

E85 Flex Fuel is starting to really catch on......


give GM another look


Eh... no cars are really American anymore.

recxjake
02-13-2006, 05:07 PM
Eh... no cars are really American anymore.

eh your wrong.... GM builds the majority of its cars in the US

Bearcat
02-13-2006, 05:15 PM
eh your wrong.... GM builds the majority of its cars in the US

A lot of the parts are made elsewhere... and foreign companies do the same... the parts are made elsewhere and are assembled here, like the Toyota plants in Texas & Kentucky.

Fried Meat Ball!
02-13-2006, 05:17 PM
I'm working on making an engine run off urine -- that way we'll all be in charge of making our own fuel. THAT'S something we could all use.

Fried Meat Ball!
02-13-2006, 05:17 PM
Eh... no cars are really American anymore.
Saturn, baby!

recxjake
02-13-2006, 05:20 PM
Saturn, baby!

Saturn sucks right now.... but this time next year it will be the hottest brand....

SKY
AURA
VUE GREENLINE
VUE --- redesigned
Also a new crossover which hasnt been named yet

sd4chiefs
02-13-2006, 05:23 PM
This bad news for my energy stocks. :(

banyon
02-13-2006, 05:25 PM
Saturn sucks right now.... but this time next year it will be the hottest brand....

SKY
AURA
VUE GREENLINE
VUE --- redesigned
Also a new crossover which hasnt been named yet

Hey love the new avatar!

It doesn't make me want to throw up a little in my own mouth anymore. :)

recxjake
02-13-2006, 05:28 PM
This bad news for my energy stocks. :(


actually I think you will be ok...... all the energy companies are investing and researching in new forms of energy like Hydrogen, E85, solar, wind, etc.... they already have the infrastructure in place so they need to leaders in changing the coutnry over to new energy technology

recxjake
02-13-2006, 05:29 PM
Hey love the new avatar!

It doesn't make me want to throw up a little in my own mouth anymore. :)


ahh im sick of bush and cheney.....

banyon
02-13-2006, 05:46 PM
ahh im sick of bush and cheney.....

Damn. who am I supposed to pick on now? :p

dtebbe
02-13-2006, 06:04 PM
Saturn sucks right now.... but this time next year it will be the hottest brand....

SKY
AURA
VUE GREENLINE
VUE --- redesigned
Also a new crossover which hasnt been named yet

Sorry, but Saturn is a chick brand. Also popular with :thailor:

DT

patteeu
02-13-2006, 06:11 PM
Damn. who am I supposed to pick on now? :p

I nominate any of the dopes we have around here from KU. :p

banyon
02-13-2006, 06:38 PM
speaking of our oil addiction..

Delano
02-13-2006, 07:30 PM
I've been pushing E85 for YEARS, along with Biodiesel. Why the sudden interest?

I live in a state that is making a huge push to spread ethanol accross the country because we make a lot of the stuff. I have heard that ethanol isn't the greatest because you end up losing a lot of energy (in the form of BTU's) in the process. I'm also curious if waste water is being used in the process or if they are using good drinking water to produce this fuel?

C-Mac
02-13-2006, 07:37 PM
Right now, none.

These hydaulic power units won't fit in smaller, lighter cars yet.

Why would anyone need or want a smaller less safe car if you can get 60MPG?

recxjake
02-13-2006, 07:42 PM
I live in a state that is making a huge push to spread ethanol accross the country because we make a lot of the stuff. I have heard that ethanol isn't the greatest because you end up losing a lot of energy (in the form of BTU's) in the process. I'm also curious if waste water is being used in the process or if they are using good drinking water to produce this fuel?


I don't know squat about Energy...... can BTU's be made with nuclear energy???? If so, I wouldn't care if it took a lot to create it.... as long as we can stop getting middle easter oil!

Delano
02-13-2006, 07:51 PM
I don't know squat about Energy...... can BTU's be made with nuclear energy???? If so, I wouldn't care if it took a lot to create it.... as long as we can stop getting middle easter oil!


I'm sorry I lost the statistics that I was referring to. I was hoping someone else would know.

Mr. Laz
02-13-2006, 10:05 PM
This bad news for my energy stocks. :(

good ... i hope your energy stocks die on the vine

Mr. Laz
02-13-2006, 10:06 PM
Why would anyone need or want a smaller less safe car if you can get 60MPG?

100 mpg > 60 mpg

Halfcan
02-13-2006, 10:13 PM
This will never be successful. First because it a Ford, second they will be expensive, and like the other Hybrids-won't hold their value.

Pants
02-13-2006, 10:15 PM
like the other Hybrids-won't hold their value.

They will eventually. Oil ain't gonna get any cheaper in the future.

Halfcan
02-13-2006, 10:18 PM
So far the hybrids havn't caught on. You have to drive 135 k worth of miles to break even on the gas savings. TheY have lost 25% of their value in one year at least. Probably closer to 35%.

DomerNKC
02-13-2006, 10:55 PM
how did ford do with their last revolutionary car the GT?

recxjake
02-13-2006, 10:57 PM
how did ford do with their last revolutionary car the GT?

Actually Ford has a lot of great new product coming out.... the GT sucked but i think Ford will comeback strong

Ebolapox
02-13-2006, 11:09 PM
Saturn sucks right now.... but this time next year it will be the hottest brand....

SKY
AURA
VUE GREENLINE
VUE --- redesigned
Also a new crossover which hasnt been named yet

Microwave popcorn?!? Primitive

<img src="http://home.nycap.rr.com/edrick/images/space_ghost.jpg">

-EB-

Miles
02-13-2006, 11:10 PM
how did ford do with their last revolutionary car the GT?

Obviously it is priced well outside of mainstreem but its pretty well regarded with auto enthusiasts. Also even at their price tag they are hard to get.

Halfcan
02-13-2006, 11:10 PM
Actually Ford has a lot of great new product coming out.... the GT sucked but i think Ford will comeback strong

I hate Ford, but I hope you are right. I have many friends with families to support that work there. After pissing off a lot of loyal Ford fans with the Employee pricing, they have a lot of work to do.

Ebolapox
02-13-2006, 11:14 PM
I don't know squat about Energy...... can BTU's be made with nuclear energy???? If so, I wouldn't care if it took a lot to create it.... as long as we can stop getting middle easter oil!

BTU=brittish thermal unit--basically (and my memory might be wrong on this), I believe it's the amount of energy required to raise one CC (cubic centimeter) of water one degree celcius

it's a unit of energy--it has nothing to do with 'being made with nuclear energy'

-EB-

recxjake
02-13-2006, 11:27 PM
BTU=brittish thermal unit--basically (and my memory might be wrong on this), I believe it's the amount of energy required to raise one CC (cubic centimeter) of water one degree celcius

it's a unit of energy--it has nothing to do with 'being made with nuclear energy'

-EB-


i was referring to a previous post saying that e85 takes to much energy to produce.... well if its nuclear fuel that can produce e85 who cares.... if its oil, then its not gonna work out

Halfcan
02-13-2006, 11:27 PM
BTU=brittish thermal unit--basically (and my memory might be wrong on this), I believe it's the amount of energy required to raise one CC (cubic centimeter) of water one degree celcius

it's a unit of energy--it has nothing to do with 'being made with nuclear energy'

-EB-

Holy Dictionary Batman-you sounded smart in this post, but my memory might be wrong on this.

recxjake
02-13-2006, 11:30 PM
I hate Ford, but I hope you are right. I have many friends with families to support that work there. After pissing off a lot of loyal Ford fans with the Employee pricing, they have a lot of work to do.

To be honest i hate ford too! but i'm pulling for them.... IMO ANYONE BUT TOYOTA...... I hate Toyota with a passion... they have so many advantages over the US car industry that ordianary people have no clue about.

I follow GM very closely and they have made HUGE improvements in the last 2 years. The interiors of the 06 and 07's are amazing. They are doing much better in the mpg catagory and are finally starting to make their brands have true definitions. There is a lot of work to do but I think GM will come ahead

Halfcan
02-13-2006, 11:33 PM
I would never have guessed you like GM. I thought they were bankrupt?

recxjake
02-13-2006, 11:36 PM
I would never have guessed you like GM. I thought they were bankrupt?

haha... nope they have 15 Billion in the bank are about to sell 51% of GMAC for another 15 Billion... they have the cash but they are burning through it.

Halfcan
02-14-2006, 12:30 AM
haha... nope they have 15 Billion in the bank are about to sell 51% of GMAC for another 15 Billion... they have the cash but they are burning through it.

That would be fun to spend 30 Bil.

Halfcan's Billions! Sounds like a great movie.

Booze, broads, and bowling alleys.

greg63
02-14-2006, 12:33 AM
That would be fun to spend 30 Bil.

Halfcan's Billions! Sounds like a great movie.

Booze, broads, and bowling alleys.


lol. The movie about several things.

MahiMike
02-14-2006, 06:10 AM
We'll se what the oil gurus have to say about this.. :mad:

Exactly. It's time to 'outsource' Bush's oil buddies like he did to us programmers!!!

penguinz
02-14-2006, 08:49 AM
BTU=brittish thermal unit--basically (and my memory might be wrong on this), I believe it's the amount of energy required to raise one CC (cubic centimeter) of water one degree celcius

it's a unit of energy--it has nothing to do with 'being made with nuclear energy'

-EB-One Btu is equal to the amount of heat required to raise the temperature of one pound of liquid water by 1 degree Fahrenheit at its maximum density, which occurs at a temperature of 39.1 degrees Fahrenheit.

What you described is 1 Calorie.

Skip Towne
02-14-2006, 09:08 AM
That would be fun to spend 30 Bil.

Halfcan's Billions! Sounds like a great movie.

Booze, broads, and bowling alleys.
This ain't right! Bowling Alleys are too high brow for you.

Pitt Gorilla
02-14-2006, 09:32 AM
To be honest i hate ford too! but i'm pulling for them.... IMO ANYONE BUT TOYOTA...... I hate Toyota with a passion... they have so many advantages over the US car industry that ordianary people have no clue about.

I follow GM very closely and they have made HUGE improvements in the last 2 years. The interiors of the 06 and 07's are amazing. They are doing much better in the mpg catagory and are finally starting to make their brands have true definitions. There is a lot of work to do but I think GM will come aheadThe free market will cure all.

Brock
02-14-2006, 09:34 AM
The free market will cure all.


It would, if there were free markets overseas.

Baby Lee
02-14-2006, 09:44 AM
One Btu is equal to the amount of heat required to raise the temperature of one pound of liquid water by 1 degree Fahrenheit at its maximum density, which occurs at a temperature of 39.1 degrees Fahrenheit.

What you described is 1 Calorie.
You'd think that noting that the acronym is 'British' thermal unit would be a clue that the measurements were English, not metric. ;)