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Count Alex's Wins
02-13-2006, 05:02 PM
Does anyone remember if any of these guys were worth a crap? They're all defensive linemen drafted by the Chiefs.

1990 - DT Tom Sims

1992 - DT Mike Evans, DE Doug Rigby

1994 – DT Rob Waldrop

1995 – DT Mike Pelton, DT Bryan Proby, DT Tom Barndt

Off the top of my head, Barndt was the only guy that did anything in the NFL.

Rain Man
02-13-2006, 05:08 PM
If I remember right Waldrop and Sims both lasted a year as backups, and maybe Proby. Barndt had a pretty good journeyman career, but I think he was actually drafted as a center.

Mr. Kotter
02-13-2006, 05:15 PM
Does anyone remember if any of these guys were worth a crap? They're all defensive linemen drafted by the Chiefs.

1990 - DT Tom Sims

1992 - DT Mike Evans, DE Doug Rigby

1994 – DT Rob Waldrop

1995 – DT Mike Pelton, DT Bryan Proby, DT Tom Barndt

Off the top of my head, Barndt was the only guy that did anything in the NFL.

Barndt had a couple of serviceable seasons...98-99

Shox
02-13-2006, 05:16 PM
ummmmmmm


NO

Count Alex's Wins
02-13-2006, 05:19 PM
If I remember right Waldrop and Sims both lasted a year as backups, and maybe Proby. Barndt had a pretty good journeyman career, but I think he was actually drafted as a center.

I found Sims name ironic.

Were Saleamua and McGlockton the only two stud defensive tackles in KC the last 15 years? I guess you can do alot with Neil Smith, Derrick Thomas and some corners.

Mr. Kotter
02-13-2006, 05:25 PM
I found Sims name ironic.

Were Saleamua and McGlockton the only two stud defensive tackles in KC the last 15 years? I guess you can do alot with Neil Smith, Derrick Thomas and some corners.

Between Saleamua and McGlockton.....that covers the first 8-9 years of the last 15; and it's, not surprisingly, the last 5 of those 15 that we've struggled. One force....one double-team commanding, run-stuffing DT is what is really needed. A whole lot of others can look pretty good playing along side a true monster....

Rain Man
02-13-2006, 05:26 PM
Joe Phillips was solid, if unspectacular.

Didn't Dan Williams' one good season come as a DT, too? Or had they shifted him to DE by that point?

Count Alex's Wins
02-13-2006, 05:26 PM
Between Saleamua and McGlockton.....that covers the first 8-9 years of the last 15; and it's, not surprisingly, the last 5 of those 15 that we've struggled. One force....one double-team commanding, run-stuffing DT is what is really needed. A whole lot of others can look pretty good playing along side a true monster....

A Warpaint Illustrated Insider has just reminded me of Joe Phillips. You guys suck. WPI > CP

Rain Man
02-13-2006, 05:28 PM
Was Bill Maas still around in the early 90s? I recall that he got switched to DE as well when the Chiefs went to a 3-4, but I don't remember when that was. I know that the 80s were his peak, but he might've been around in the 90s, too. (I could look it up, but that would, you know, take a little work.)

Rain Man
02-13-2006, 05:29 PM
A Warpaint Illustrated Insider has just reminded me of Joe Phillips. You guys suck. WPI > CP

You missed the beginning clause of "Except for Rain Man,".

Mr. Kotter
02-13-2006, 05:29 PM
A Warpaint Illustrated Insider has just reminded me of Joe Phillips. You guys suck. WPI > CP

Phillips was okay....

Count Alex's Wins
02-13-2006, 05:41 PM
You missed the beginning clause of "Except for Rain Man,".

He informed me before your post.

Rain Man
02-13-2006, 06:06 PM
He informed me before your post.

I think you just read his post before you read mine. I'll bet he read my post and then posted it on WPI while you were there.

Count Alex's Wins
02-13-2006, 06:17 PM
I think you just read his post before you read mine. I'll bet he read my post and then posted it on WPI while you were there.

It was not posted on WPI. We WPI Insiders have a top-secret network over which we communicate.

ceebz
02-13-2006, 06:17 PM
Joe Phillips was solid, if unspectacular.

Didn't Dan Williams' one good season come as a DT, too? Or had they shifted him to DE by that point?


Williams' one good season was at tackle.

leviw
02-13-2006, 06:30 PM
Does anyone remember if any of these guys were worth a crap? They're all defensive linemen drafted by the Chiefs.

1990 - DT Tom Sims

1992 - DT Mike Evans, DE Doug Rigby

1994 – DT Rob Waldrop

1995 – DT Mike Pelton, DT Bryan Proby, DT Tom Barndt

Off the top of my head, Barndt was the only guy that did anything in the NFL.

NT: Tom Sims, 91-92, 1996 - Missed entire rookie season because of ankle injury. He had three sacks in his career with the Chiefs and played in 27 games.

DE Mike Evans, 1992 - Played in 12 games, recording five tackles.

DE Doug Rigby - Never played a down.

DT Rob Waldrop, 1994 - Played in three games.

DT Mike Pelton - Never played a down.

DT Bryan Proby, 1995 - Played in three games

DT/G "One Way" Tom Bardt, 1996-99 - Switched to defense before the 1997 season after being drafted to play on the o-line. Started in 1998, recording 63 tackles, 3.5 sacks and two fumble recoveries and 11 QB pressures. Played in 61 games, starting in 30.

Rain Man
02-13-2006, 06:39 PM
It was not posted on WPI. We WPI Insiders have a top-secret network over which we communicate.

Aha! So you admit that he could have read my post before flashing the secret smoke signals.

Count Alex's Wins
02-13-2006, 06:40 PM
NT: Tom Sims, 91-92, 1996 - Missed entire rookie season because of ankle injury. He had three sacks in his career with the Chiefs and played in 27 games.

DE Mike Evans, 1992 - Played in 12 games, recording five tackles.

DE Doug Rigby - Never played a down.

DT Rob Waldrop, 1994 - Played in three games.

DT Mike Pelton - Never played a down.

DT Bryan Proby, 1995 - Played in three games

DT/G "One Way" Tom Bardt, 1996-99 - Switched to defense before the 1997 season after being drafted to play on the o-line. Started in 1998, recording 63 tackles, 3.5 sacks and two fumble recoveries and 11 QB pressures. Played in 61 games, starting in 30.

Excellent work. According to NFL.com Barndt was a DT when he was drafted. I may remove him from the list.

Count Alex's Wins
02-13-2006, 06:40 PM
Aha! So you admit that he could have read my post before flashing the secret smoke signals.

No. A transmission was beamed to my ship minutes before your post.

Rain Man
02-13-2006, 06:43 PM
No. A transmission was beamed to my ship minutes before your post.


Dear god - WPI has perfected time travel.

leviw
02-13-2006, 06:43 PM
Excellent work. According to NFL.com Barndt was a DT when he was drafted. I may remove him from the list.

My info came from the Kansas City Chiefs Encyclopedia (Second Edition). Seems to be fairly accurate.

Count Alex's Wins
02-13-2006, 06:47 PM
My info came from the Kansas City Chiefs Encyclopedia (Second Edition). Seems to be fairly accurate.

A WPI official will be along shortly to confiscate the book.

leviw
02-13-2006, 06:50 PM
A WPI official will be along shortly to confiscate the book.

He knocked. I opened the door and sprayed his face with shotgun pellets. I kept my book. Dick Cheney smiled.

Count Alex's Wins
02-13-2006, 06:51 PM
Does anyone remember if we traded for these guys, or were they all free agents?

Joe Phillips, Dan Saleamua, Chester McGlockton, Dan Williams, Vaughn Booker and Leslie O’Neal.

I'm certain Booker was an undrafted free agent.

leviw
02-13-2006, 06:57 PM
Does anyone remember if we traded for these guys, or were they all free agents?

Joe Phillips, Dan Saleamua, Chester McGlockton, Dan Williams, Vaughn Booker and Leslie O’Neal.

I'm certain Booker was an undrafted free agent.
Phillips - Free agent from SD
Saleamua - Plan B free agent from DET
McGlockton - Free agent from OAK
Williams - Free agent from DEN
Booker - Via free agency after two seasons in the CFL
O'Neal - Free agent from STL

Phobia
02-13-2006, 07:02 PM
McGlockton - Free agent from OAK


But Oakland had first right of refusal and planned to match our contract offer. KC sweetened the pot by throwing Al a 2nd round pick so they wouldn't match. Technically not a trade, but we still gave a 2nd rounder for his rights in a roundabout way.

leviw
02-13-2006, 07:04 PM
But Oakland had first right of refusal and planned to match our contract offer. KC sweetened the pot by throwing Al a 2nd round pick so they wouldn't match. Technically not a trade, but we still gave a 2nd rounder for his rights in a roundabout way.

1998 NFL Draft, 2nd Round:
- Choice to Oakland in compensation for restricted free agent DT Chester McGlockton

ChiefsCountry
02-13-2006, 07:11 PM
Forgeting about Keith Traylor, he was pretty good until he went to the Donks.

Count Alex's Wins
02-13-2006, 07:40 PM
Forgeting about Keith Traylor, he was pretty good until he went to the Donks.

Denver drafted him, but he was very solid here. I shall add him.

Phobia
02-13-2006, 07:50 PM
No - Traylor was drafted by the Broncos in the 3rd round. He didn't really do anything in KC. He got better in his 2nd stop in Denver and then played on that really good 13-3 Bears Defense and won a SuperBowl in New England in 04.

leviw
02-13-2006, 07:59 PM
No - Traylor was drafted by the Broncos in the 3rd round. He didn't really do anything in KC. He got better in his 2nd stop in Denver and then played on that really good 13-3 Bears Defense and won a SuperBowl in New England in 04.

Played in 31 games and had 2.5 sacks in two seasons.

Count Alex's Wins
02-13-2006, 08:20 PM
He didn't really do anything in KC.

Bull. He was our bigfatguy TM in 95 and 96

Phobia
02-13-2006, 08:31 PM
He wasn't considered an elite interior lineman until long after he departed KC.