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banyon
02-06-2006, 07:02 PM
:KU: bracket looks like this:

Greensboro
(1) DUKE (25-1)
(16) ALBANY (16-9) / Amer East

(8) Cincinnati (17-9)
(9) Kentucky (17-9)

San Diego
(5) LSU (17-7)
(12) UAB (18-5)

(4) KANSAS (18-6)
(13) WISC.-MILW. (17-8) / Horizon

Dayton
(6) North Carolina (17-6)
(11) Arkansas (17-8)

(3) Pittsburgh (20-4)
(14) MURRAY ST (19-5) / OVC

Dayton
(7) Washington (20-5)
(10) So. Illinois (18-8)

(2) Ohio State (19-4)
(15) IUPUI (16-7) / Mid-Con
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology
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:KU: moves up one spot to a #4 seed. Wow. I thought we'd have to beat Texas to get that high. Now we have LSU as 2nd round opponent instead of G. Washington. Probably a better team for us to match up with IMHO. But I really like the benefit of moving up one seed in the 1st round. Now we draw Wisc-Milwaukee instead of UAB. That's much better. Usually the worst seed an at large team will get is a 12, so as a 4 we'd be guaranteed a conference champ, which is usually a little easier. Still in San Diego. Texas and Memphis still get the Dallas pod. Still in the Duke bracket. Oh well.

banyon
02-06-2006, 07:03 PM
Jack Harry is pissed on "the Spot" b/c :KU: isn't ranked. That's silly. We beat a lower tier ranked team (OK) at home. Yeah Colorado should've dropped out, but LSU still should've been ahead of us.

Dunit35
02-06-2006, 07:05 PM
Hopfeully KU pulls it out and makes the tourny.

DJJasonp
02-06-2006, 07:10 PM
I dont want any piece of Villanova....they're going to be a tough out come tourney time.

I wouldnt mind taking on Duke. I'd like to see Chalmers on Reddick.....

LiL stumppy
02-06-2006, 07:14 PM
those bastereds

KCChiefsFan88
02-06-2006, 07:15 PM
That is a pretty loaded bracket, especially towards the bottom. Teams like Kansas, Kentucky, Wichita St, George Mason, Nevada, Maryland, and Manhattan all dangerous lower seeds in that region

Bearcat
02-06-2006, 07:30 PM
I think if they finish strong, they would be deserving of a #5 or #6... between #17-24 overall. As said in another thread, it'll be a great March, because there are no expectations.


I hate ESPN for loving Kentucky so much... they are not one of the top 35 teams in the nation. After KU smacked them around, it was all about "the Kentucky loss"... and even after talking about how they barely beat Iona and Central Florida at home, they would say they had a good chance of getting in. They have the same chance as KU to get better and prove they belong before selection Sunday, but they haven't done it yet. Teams shouldn't get in because they're KU or UK, no matter what the fan base or ESPN says.

htismaqe
02-06-2006, 07:34 PM
Frankly, this bracketology sucks.

Iowa is currently 6th in the RPI and all alone in 1st place atop the Big 10 (highest conference RPI among all conferences). They've also played more RPI Top 50's than almost anyone, and have a winning record against them.

I'm not saying they should be a #1 or even #2 seed, but having them as a #4 is ridiculous.

banyon
02-06-2006, 07:36 PM
I dont want any piece of Villanova....they're going to be a tough out come tourney time.

I wouldnt mind taking on Duke. I'd like to see Chalmers on Reddick.....

Nova is too guard-oriented without Curtis Sumpter. It's too bad they lost him, or they'd probably be #1 right now. Without him tough, they are prone to an off-shooting night. They'll lose a couple of more games in the Big East. I'd sure rather face them than Duke, although neither is an easy task.

HolmeZz
02-06-2006, 07:36 PM
Frankly, this bracketology sucks.

Iowa is currently 6th in the RPI and all alone in 1st place atop the Big 10 (highest conference RPI among all conferences). They've also played more RPI Top 50's than almost anyone, and have a winning record against them.

I'm not saying they should be a #1 or even #2 seed, but having them as a #4 is ridiculous.

I don't think they're better than any of the 3 seeds.

htismaqe
02-06-2006, 07:39 PM
They've already beaten Illinois (#2) once and they're better than LSU (#3).

banyon
02-06-2006, 07:57 PM
They've already beaten Illinois (#2) once and they're better than LSU (#3).

I was about to blast your :IA: lovin', but then I looked at their schedule and decided I couldn't back that up. They have beaten some pretty good teams.

IMO,

http://images.sportsline.com/images/collegebasketball/logos/IA.gif Quality Wins: Kentucky, N.C. State, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio St., Michigan

Bad Losses: @Iowa St (by 12); @Michigan St (by 30)

http://images.sportsline.com/images/collegebasketball/logos/LSU.gif Quality Wins: @West Va, Tennessee, Alabama

Bad Losses: Houston (good Loss? @ UCONN by 1)

After reviewing the resumes, I believe you just may be right about these two teams.

HolmeZz
02-06-2006, 08:08 PM
I wasn't talking about resumes. I was stating I don't think they're better than any of the 3 seeds.

banyon
02-06-2006, 08:15 PM
I wasn't talking about resumes. I was stating I don't think they're better than any of the 3 seeds.

Yeah, but tourney resume or not, :IA: has been more consistent against better competition. Head to head, Iowa might lose to LSU, because they don't really match up too well with Glen Davis. But against the tournament field, I think there are more teams that I could see Iowa beating than LSU.

tk13
02-06-2006, 08:19 PM
Yeah Iowa probably deserves to be higher, but as tough as the Big Ten is there's still a lot of time for teams to make a big move up or down.

I'd like to see that Washington DC bracket come to fruition, that'd be one tough bracket.

HolmeZz
02-06-2006, 08:20 PM
LSU's been more consistent lately and are starting to round into form. They just lost @ Alabama and fell a spot out of the polls, but they had been playing as well as any top 15 team in the country for the last month. Iowa has a nice resume, but they haven't done jack shit on the road. That's more indicative of how a team will fare in the NCAA tourney. LSU's played pretty tough on the road.

sedated
02-06-2006, 08:37 PM
We went from bubble to a 6 seed?

All because the sooners choked at the fieldhouse?

we need some more big wins before I buy that one.

banyon
02-06-2006, 08:42 PM
We went from bubble to a 6 seed?

All because the sooners choked at the fieldhouse?

we need some more big wins before I buy that one.

We were a 9 last week and "next four out" the week before. It's all too fast!!

Skip Towne
02-06-2006, 08:47 PM
We went from bubble to a 6 seed?

All because the sooners choked at the fieldhouse?

we need some more big wins before I buy that one.
It's not because Zero U choked. If KU would have won the two rival games the 'Hawks should have won, they would now be riding a 14 game winning streak. They improve steadily every week. There aren't 20 teams in the country that can beat KU consistently. And there are fewer of them every week.

htismaqe
02-06-2006, 08:56 PM
I wasn't talking about resumes. I was stating I don't think they're better than any of the 3 seeds.

Like I said, they already beat Illinois. Until they play them there, that's all you have to go on.

And look at LSU's road schedule and tell me again how "tough" they are.

htismaqe
02-06-2006, 08:57 PM
It's not because Zero U choked. If KU would have won the two rival games the 'Hawks should have won, they would now be riding a 14 game winning streak. They improve steadily every week. There aren't 20 teams in the country that can beat KU consistently. And there are fewer of them every week.

The Jayhawks are gonna be tough come tournament time.

They're getting the freshman mistakes out and the talent is starting to seep through...

greg63
02-06-2006, 09:08 PM
It's not because Zero U choked. If KU would have won the two rival games the 'Hawks should have won, they would now be riding a 14 game winning streak. They improve steadily every week. There aren't 20 teams in the country that can beat KU consistently. And there are fewer of them every week.



The Jayhawks are gonna be tough come tournament time.

They're getting the freshman mistakes out and the talent is starting to seep through...


I think so too; they are begining to peak. IMO

TRR
02-06-2006, 09:17 PM
LSU's been more consistent lately and are starting to round into form. They just lost @ Alabama and fell a spot out of the polls, but they had been playing as well as any top 15 team in the country for the last month. Iowa has a nice resume, but they haven't done jack shit on the road. That's more indicative of how a team will fare in the NCAA tourney. LSU's played pretty tough on the road.
How can you possibly say life on the road, especially in the Big Ten, has anything to do with how successful a team will be in the NCAA Tourney? If anything, the Big Ten Vs ACC Tourney would be a better indicator of how a team might do in the NCAA Tourney...Being it's a neutral court and all. Iowa played great in the Big Ten Vs ACC Tourney, beating Kentucky and North Carolina, and playing Texas tough.

If you look at road games as an indicator of how well a team is going to do in the NCAA's...Especially from the Big Ten...Iowa, Illinois, Michigan State, Ohio State, and Michigan would all lose in the first round.

No comparison.

HolmeZz
02-06-2006, 09:25 PM
And look at LSU's road schedule and tell me again how "tough" they are.

?

They beat West Virginia. They barely lost to UConn. And they blew leads at Cincy and OSU, two games they easily could've won. They also have a nice win at Arkansas They play well on the road.

Iowa got beat by 30(which is more margin of victory than LSU's 6 losses combined) by Michigan State, lost by 14 at Wisconsin, and also lost at Iowa State and at Northern Iowa. They don't have a single quality road win. The committee looks at that.

HolmeZz
02-06-2006, 09:27 PM
If anything, the Big Ten Vs ACC Tourney would be a better indicator of how a team might do in the NCAA Tourney...Being it's a neutral court and all. Iowa played great in the Big Ten Vs ACC Tourney, beating Kentucky and North Carolina, and playing Texas tough.

The ACC/Big Ten Tourney is not a neutral court, and the team Iowa played was NC State.

jspchief
02-06-2006, 09:28 PM
Iowa has a nice resume, but they haven't done jack shit on the road. That's more indicative of how a team will fare in the NCAA tourney. Iowa is .500 on the road, so is LSU. How is one "jack shit" while the other tough?

Iowa is already one of the best defensive teams in the country. Horner finally looks like he may be 100% and Haluska and some of the other guys are finding their shot. If the Hawks continue to play defense like they have, and start shooting like they can, they'll be a #2 seed come tournament time. And they would wipe the floor with LSU the way they are playing right now.

Pitt Gorilla
02-06-2006, 09:28 PM
I was about to blast your :IA: lovin', but then I looked at their schedule and decided I couldn't back that up. They have beaten some pretty good teams.

IMO,

http://images.sportsline.com/images/collegebasketball/logos/IA.gif Quality Wins: Kentucky, N.C. State, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio St., Michigan

Bad Losses: @Iowa St (by 12); @Michigan St (by 30)

http://images.sportsline.com/images/collegebasketball/logos/LSU.gif Quality Wins: @West Va, Tennessee, Alabama

Bad Losses: Houston (good Loss? @ UCONN by 1)

After reviewing the resumes, I believe you just may be right about these two teams.Northern Iowa beat both of them.

Skip Towne
02-06-2006, 09:29 PM
I think so too; they are begining to peak. IMO
Beginning to peak is right. They still throw the ball away too much and need to improve their free throwing. The defense continues to improve. They have 5 guys (that play) that are 6'8 or bigger. Three of them are more than 235#. They're beginning to look like a "Bill Self" team. Thugs in training. And with so many of them, fouls aren't a problem. If they get a #6 or worse, they could really surprise some highly ranked teams. I sure wouldn't want to face them if I were a #2 or #3 but didn't play a very tough schedule.

HolmeZz
02-06-2006, 09:30 PM
Iowa is .500 on the road, so is LSU. How is one "jack shit" while the other tough?.

If you're just going to ignore the actual teams they played AND margin of victory... :rolleyes:

EDIT: I have Iowa at 3-4 on the road, with those 4 losses coming by 60 points. LSU is 4-4, with those 4 losses coming by 11 points. LSU also played a much tougher road schedule.

banyon
02-06-2006, 09:34 PM
Northern Iowa beat both of them.

Yeah, the Panthers are tough this year!

(note: that's why I didn't consider it a bad loss for either team)

Skip Towne
02-06-2006, 09:41 PM
Has KU ever played Iowa? I don't remember it but a lot is hazy in 50 years of being a :KU: fan.

jspchief
02-06-2006, 09:41 PM
If you're just going to ignore the actual teams they played AND margin of victory... :rolleyes:

EDIT: I have Iowa at 3-4 on the road, with those 4 losses coming by 60 points. LSU is 4-4, with those 4 losses coming by 11 points. LSU also played a much tougher road schedule.LSU played a tougher road schedule? How do you figure that? Iowa has played 4 teams that were ranked in the top 25 at the time they played, LSU has only played 3.

Whatever. The AP and Coaches poll pretty much agree that Iowa is the better team.

HolmeZz
02-06-2006, 09:49 PM
LSU played a tougher road schedule? How do you figure that? Iowa has played 4 teams that were ranked in the top 25 at the time they played, LSU has only played 3.

Whatever. The AP and Coaches poll pretty much agree that Iowa is the better team.

If you can't even come to grips with the fact that LSU has played a tougher road schedule then this discussion isn't going anywhere.

Road Games:

UConn, West Virginia, Ohio State, Cincinnati, Arkansas, Alabama > Michigan State, Wisconsin, Iowa State, Northern Iowa, Purdue, Penn State, Saint Louis

I don't even see the 4 teams Iowa played on the road that were ranked at the time. Looking at the polls and when they played those teams, Iowa played two ranked teams, when they met, on the road; Michigan State and Wisconsin. Michigan State beat them by 30 and Wisconsin by 14.

LSU played 3 ranked teams at the time they met; 1 point loss at UConn, 3 point win at West Virginia, and a 2 point loss at Ohio State, a game they led most of the way.

banyon
02-06-2006, 09:52 PM
Has KU ever played Iowa? I don't remember it but a lot is hazy in 50 years of being a :KU: fan.

1999@Iowa
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1999-2000: Game 21 - Iowa 77, #15 Kansas 69
February 3, 2000 - Iowa City, IA

Kansas (16-5) Min FG 3FG FT Reb Ast TO Blk Stl PF Pts
Boschee, Jeff ^ 21 2-8 1-7 0-0 0-3 3 1 0 2 5 5
Gregory, Kenny ^ 21 6-11 0-0 0-0 3-5 1 2 0 1 4 12
Chenowith, Eric ^ 25 2-5 0-0 0-0 3-3 0 0 1 0 2 4
Collison, Nick ^ 29 7-15 0-3 7-8 4-10 0 2 0 0 3 21
Bradford, Nick ^ 30 2-5 1-4 1-1 1-4 1 2 0 4 3 6
Gooden, Drew 13 3-6 0-0 1-3 1-4 0 4 0 1 2 7
London, Marlon 23 4-7 1-1 0-2 3-4 0 6 0 0 3 9
Hinrich, Kirk 26 1-6 1-5 0-0 1-4 6 5 0 1 1 3
Johnson, Ashante 8 1-2 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 1 2
Carey, Jeff 2 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-1 0 0 0 0 2 0
Nooner, Terry 2 0-1 0-1 0-0 1-2 1 0 0 0 1 0
Earl, Lester DNP - suspended
Axtell, Luke DNP - illness
Crider, John DNP - coach's decision
Team 1-5
Totals 28-66
.424 4-21
.190 9-14
.643 18-45 12 22 1 9 27 69


Iowa Min FG 3FG FT Reb Ast TO Blk Stl PF Pts
Griffin, Rob ^ 23 2-8 1-3 5-6 0-1 0 2 0 2 1 10
Henderson, Duez ^ 21 2-4 0-0 4-6 2-4 1 2 0 1 4 8
Jaacks, Jacob ^ 30 4-9 2-3 6-8 3-10 0 3 1 2 4 16
Oliver, Dean ^ 36 4-7 1-2 1-3 0-2 7 4 0 3 0 10
Luehrsmann, Ryan ^ 33 3-7 1-5 1-3 0-5 5 1 0 2 1 8
Price, Jason 10 1-1 0-0 0-0 0-1 3 1 0 2 0 2
Fermino, Joe 3 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 2 0 0 0 0
Gomes, Marcelo 3 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 1 0 1 0
Thompson, Rod 21 5-6 1-1 3-5 0-5 0 1 0 2 4 14
Galloway, Kyle 20 3-7 3-7 0-2 0-0 1 1 0 0 1 9
Team 1-1
Total 24-49
.490 9-21
.429 20-33
.606 6-29 17 17 2 14 16 77


Halftime Score: KU 29, Iowa 25
Fouled out: Boschee
Technical fouls: none
Officials: Tom Rucker, Ted Hillary, Jim Burr
Attendance: 15,500
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1998 @Allen Fieldhouse
1998-99: Game 7 - Iowa 85, Kansas 81
December 8, 1998 - Allen Fieldhouse

Kansas (5-2) Min FGs 3FGs FTs Reb Ast TO Blk Stl PF Pts
Robertson, Ryan ^ 37 5-12 2-6 0-0 2-5 7 2 0 1 1 12
Gregory, Kenny ^ 32 9-13 1-2 1-4 2-6 5 2 0 0 2 20
Chenowith, Eric ^ 29 5-11 0-0 0-2 4-6 1 5 3 2 3 10
Boschee, Jeff ^ 29 5-11 3-8 2-4 0-1 4 4 0 4 3 15
Bradford, Nick ^ 23 3-6 0-1 3-4 3-5 2 5 0 4 5 9
London, Marlon 16 3-7 0-0 1-2 1-2 1 0 0 3 3 7
Pugh, T.J. 20 2-4 0-0 1-3 3-4 1 2 0 3 5 5
Nooner, Terry 4 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 1 1 0
Carey, Jeff 10 0-3 0-0 3-4 2-2 0 1 1 0 1 3
Earl, Lester DNP - Injury
Johnson, Ashante DNP - Injury
Janisse, Jelani DNP - Coach's decision
Crider, John DNP - Coach's decision
Martin, Chris DNP - Coach's decision
Team 1-1
Totals 32-67 6-17 11-23 18-32 21 21 4 18 24 81


Iowa (6-1) Min FGs 3FGs FTs Reb Ast TO Blk Stl PF Pts
Settles, Jess ^ 14 1-1 0-0 0-0 1-3 1 4 0 0 3 2
Oliver, Dean ^ 29 5-13 2-5 1-3 3-5 7 7 0 3 3 13
Rucker, Guy ^ 17 3-7 0-0 2-2 2-6 0 4 1 0 2 8
McCausland, Kent ^ 28 5-9 5-9 0-0 0-0 3 3 0 1 2 15
Luehrsmann, Ryan ^ 15 3-3 0-0 0-0 0-0 1 3 0 0 3 6
Bauer, Jason 18 0-0 0-0 2-2 3-5 1 1 0 2 1 2
Price, Jason 11 1-2 0-0 2-2 1-1 0 1 0 0 1 4
Jaacks, Jacob 21 5-7 1-1 3-7 1-4 1 1 0 1 2 14
Henderson, Duez 5 0-1 0-0 1-2 0-2 0 0 0 0 1 1
Range, Joey 19 3-6 1-1 1-2 3-6 0 4 0 1 3 8
Koch, J.R. 23 3-6 0-1 6-8 2-6 2 3 3 1 3 12
Team 3-3
Totals 29-55 9-17 18-28 19-41 16 31 4 9 24 85


Halftime Score: Kansas 43, Iowa 34
Fouled out: Bradford, Pugh
Technical fouls: none
Officials: Tom O'Neill, Dan Chrisman, Tom Rucker
Attendance: 16,300

banyon
02-06-2006, 09:55 PM
I'd forgotten how that Jaacks guy made Chenowith his b*tch both times we played them.

Mr. Kotter
02-06-2006, 09:57 PM
WAAAAAAYYYYY too early for this chit......

IF they continue playin' as they have and continue improving, a 6 is possible. They'd have to play well the rest of the way; no more than one, maybe two losses. Go Baby Hawks!

RCJGKU :KU:

Ceej
02-06-2006, 10:00 PM
That UK/WSU game is intriguing.

But, how can UK be considered to make the tournament? They are trash.

jspchief
02-06-2006, 10:22 PM
If you can't even come to grips with the fact that LSU has played a tougher road schedule then this discussion isn't going anywhere.

Road Games:

UConn, West Virginia, Ohio State, Cincinnati, Arkansas, Alabama > Michigan State, Wisconsin, Iowa State, Northern Iowa, Purdue, Penn State, Saint Louis

I don't even see the 4 teams Iowa played on the road that were ranked at the time. Looking at the polls and when they played those teams, Iowa played two ranked teams, when they met, on the road; Michigan State and Wisconsin. Michigan State beat them by 30 and Wisconsin by 14.

LSU played 3 ranked teams at the time they met; 1 point loss at UConn, 3 point win at West Virginia, and a 2 point loss at Ohio State, a game they led most of the way.Conveniently left out Kentucky and Texas from Iowa's road games.

And like I said, there's about 500 voters between the two polls that agree with me.

HolmeZz
02-06-2006, 10:28 PM
Conveniently left out Kentucky and Texas from Iowa's road games.

And like I said, there's about 500 voters between the two polls that agree with me.

Those weren't road games. STFU

In fact, they were each more of a home game.

LSU and Iowa were each higher than one another in opposite polls last week. LSU is just coming off a loss at Alabama.

Prince22
02-07-2006, 12:14 AM
That UK/WSU game is intriguing.

But, how can UK be considered to make the tournament? They are trash.


watch your mouth

Ceej
02-07-2006, 12:32 AM
Who have you beat? You got smoked by Indiana, Kansas and Florida. Give me some big wins. Trash, trash, trash. The way things are going for you I doubt you make the tournament and I doubt Tubby has a job in Lexington next year. But, the way it is sounding you guys would enjoy that.

banyon
02-07-2006, 12:35 AM
Who have you beat? You got smoked by Indiana, Kansas and Florida. Give me some big wins. Trash, trash, trash. The way things are going for you I doubt you make the tournament and I doubt Tubby has a job in Lexington next year. But, the way it is sounding you guys would enjoy that.
Hey, hey! They did beat the hell outta Louisville on their home court.

Oh wait..that's right, Louisville is terrible this year! :)
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BTW, For anyone interested...Gonzaga struggling with St. Mary's right now on ESPN2.

Ceej
02-07-2006, 12:37 AM
Oh... yeah. BIG WIN! Good work.

Ceej
02-07-2006, 12:39 AM
Oh, nice. L-Ville! Great.

I actually want UK to make the tournament. That way my hometown school WSU could beat a team with so much tradition. Good luck making the tournament 'Cats! :)

banyon
02-07-2006, 12:46 AM
Zags in SERIOUS trouble. Going down.

Ceej
02-07-2006, 12:52 AM
Hmm, sooner than usual.

Redick + Morrison = Two crybaby titty bitches. But, they both can ball.

banyon
02-07-2006, 12:54 AM
Hmm, sooner than usual.

Redick + Morrison = Two crybaby titty bitches. But, they both can ball.

What a great game. Glad I tuned in.

Ceej
02-07-2006, 12:59 AM
It better not end like this though.

Ceej
02-07-2006, 01:04 AM
What a horribly disgusting finish. Officiating has been pretty bad all around this year.

banyon
02-07-2006, 01:12 AM
Yeah, but whattdya want? It's the WCC.

Their Refs probably get paid in Cheese Puffs after the game. :D

Prince22
02-07-2006, 01:44 AM
Who have you beat? You got smoked by Indiana, Kansas and Florida. Give me some big wins. Trash, trash, trash. The way things are going for you I doubt you make the tournament and I doubt Tubby has a job in Lexington next year. But, the way it is sounding you guys would enjoy that.


I'm well aware we are not having a good year but we will make the tournament. We had won 5 descent games in a row, and up until the second half of the Florida game it looked like we had started to turn things around. I have no other explanation for that collapse other than Florida is a much more athletic team and they took it to us. It's tough to win on the road against the 7th ranked team in the nation. And to be fair we didn't have Randolph Morris for those games against Kansas and Indiana. Not that we would have won those games but it would have been a different outcome.

And for the record, I love Tubby Smith. I have always supported him and always will. And you have got to be an idiot if you think he will lose his job at UK. Over the past three years he's won more games than any coach in cbb. A lot of UK fans have as short of memory as yours.

Our one true quality win was (9)West Virginia. Our next will be tuesday night (11) Tennessee. Louisville's not helping us out in the QW category but its still a huge win over an in-state rivalry.

And by the way, 90% of the time we win the SEC tournament everytime.

Ceej
02-07-2006, 01:57 AM
I'm an idiot? Cause UK fans I know were calling for Smith's head after his embarrassing losses on the road this year? You my friend, are an idiot and a true homer.

Good luck with that 90% winning the conference tournament thing. Looks like you guys WILL need to win it this year to make it to the big dance! Good luck!

Prince22
02-07-2006, 02:03 AM
It would be foolish to get into a debate with a KU fan on this message board but I want to know where your teams quality wins are this year. Oklahoma is the only one right???

HolmeZz
02-07-2006, 02:06 AM
This thread needs a little...

U-C-O-N-N UCONN UCONN UCONN.

As an impartial observer, I'd put it like this...

Kansas Quality W's:
- California
- @ Iowa State
- Oklahoma

Kentucky Quality W's:
- West Virginia
- Louisville
- Arkansas

I'm not forgetting the UK/KU game. I was just leaving it out because I think the quality wins are fairly even, all things considered, without taking into consideration that game. Kansas gets the edge overall for having destroyed Kentucky though.

Prince22
02-07-2006, 02:11 AM
I'm an idiot? Cause UK fans I know were calling for Smith's head after his embarrassing losses on the road this year? You my friend, are an idiot and a true homer.

Good luck with that 90% winning the conference tournament thing. Looks like you guys WILL need to win it this year to make it to the big dance! Good luck!


Yes, many UK fans were/are calling for his head. I'm not denying that. I've seen on this message board guys calling for Self's head. Go to a Louisville board and they're calling for Pitino's head. What the **** difference does it make? These coaches aren't going anywhere.
Tubby has a NC and 3 elite eights under his belt. He's a helluva coach and you think he deserves to be fired for this season after he has had the number 1 seed over all twice in the past 4 years? You my friend must not watch much college basketball.

Prince22
02-07-2006, 02:19 AM
"I'm not forgetting the UK/KU game. I was just leaving it out because I think the quality wins are fairly even, all things considered, without taking into consideration that game. Kansas gets the edge overall for having destroyed Kentucky though.[/QUOTE]"




I agree, as they should. I'm just pissed because this guy who obviously knows nothing about UK or college basketball is saying Tubby will be fired. What a dumbass.

alanm
02-07-2006, 02:39 AM
Northern Iowa beat both of them.
And Creighton swept Northern Iowa this year. But it still doesn't mean squat come March. :shake:

tk13
02-07-2006, 02:45 AM
Missouri Valley should get a bunch of teams in. Be interesting to see how much they get shafted come selection day. I think you could make a case for the Big East and Big Ten getting a bazillion teams in, but it'll be interesting to see if they get shafted for some of the middle of the pack major conference teams.

Lzen
02-07-2006, 06:52 AM
This thread needs a little...

U-C-O-N-N UCONN UCONN UCONN.

As an impartial observer, I'd put it like this...

Kansas Quality W's:
- California
- @ Iowa State
- Oklahoma

Kentucky Quality W's:
- West Virginia
- Louisville
- Arkansas

I'm not forgetting the UK/KU game. I was just leaving it out because I think the quality wins are fairly even, all things considered, without taking into consideration that game. Kansas gets the edge overall for having destroyed Kentucky though.

How about throwing in @ Colorado for KU QWs? I mean, they are a top 25 team this year, right? ;)

Lzen
02-07-2006, 07:00 AM
Kansas guard Brandon Rush was named Big 12 rookie of the week Monday after averaging 21 points and 7 rebounds in victories over Texas Tech and Oklahoma. He scored 10 of his game-high 18 points against OU over the final 9:33 and blocked two shots in the final minute as the Jayhawks rallied from a 16-point deficit to win 59-58 in Allen Fieldhouse.

"He can be as good as he wants to be," OU coach Kelvin Sampson said Monday during the Big 12 teleconference. "Had he been a little bit better last year in Chicago (at an NBA scouting camp), he wouldn't be in college. There was a reason he was in Chicago. He's a pro."

Rush leads Big 12 freshmen with a 14.8-point average. Although he has not made enough 3-pointers to qualify for the Big 12 stats, he is 33 of 62 from that range, a .532 percentage.

"Guys that athletic, guys that long usually aren't good 3-point shooters," Sampson added, "but there's no area of the game he's not good in."

SAMPSON MADE REFERENCE to the officiating when asked Monday how he expects the Sooners to rebound from the loss at Kansas.

"It was a frustrating game. there was some things, whether a missed call or non-call, there were a lot of things out of our control," he said. "But that's just basketball and you've got to be tough enough to overcome those things."

DURING HIS RADIO call-in show Monday night, KU coach Bill Self wished Kansas State coach Jim Wooldridge a speedy recovery. It was disclosed Monday that Wooldridge will require immediate surgery for a buldging disc in his neck, which will force him to miss the Wildcats' game on Wednesday against Iowa State.

"I didn't know Jim was struggling," Self said. "This is a terrible time for something like that, but the most important thing is to get right. I know we have a great rivalry and they beat us over here, but you never wish ill will on anybody. We wish he and his staff and players the best."

KANSAS TIP-IN

KU does not expect any lingering effects for Brandon Rush after he was poked in the eye early in Sunday's game and complained of blurry vision. The KU medical staff administered antibiotic drops.

http://hawkzone.cjonline.com/stories/020706/haw_notes.shtml

Note the parts in bold. Then look at a couple clips in my sig. This is why I can't stand that whiney little bitch, Kelvin Sampson. He always whines about the officiating when they lose to KU but his own team fouls more than any other team in the conference. Jackass.

And was it just me or did anyone else take his comments about Rush being at KU instead of the NBA as complaining? As if Rush shouldn't be allowed to play college hoops since he's a pro talent. Maybe I'm just reading too much into it but, it sure seemed that way to me.

Swanman
02-07-2006, 07:23 AM
Missouri Valley should get a bunch of teams in. Be interesting to see how much they get shafted come selection day. I think you could make a case for the Big East and Big Ten getting a bazillion teams in, but it'll be interesting to see if they get shafted for some of the middle of the pack major conference teams.

The Big Ten should get 7 in this year, unless Wisconsin completely tanks the rest of the season because their roster is down to 8 players. The MVC should get 4 teams in this year - Wichita State, Creighton, Northern Iowa and Southern Illinois. The MVC will take spots usually taken by teams from the SEC, PAC 10 and Big 12 due to those conferences being down this year. Plus, last time I checked the MVC's conference RPI was fourth in the nation behind the Big 10, Big East and ACC.

greg63
02-07-2006, 07:32 AM
The Big Ten should get 7 in this year, unless Wisconsin completely tanks the rest of the season because their roster is down to 8 players. The MVC should get 4 teams in this year - Wichita State, Creighton, Northern Iowa and Southern Illinois. The MVC will take spots usually taken by teams from the SEC, PAC 10 and Big 12 due to those conferences being down this year. Plus, last time I checked the MVC's conference RPI was fourth in the nation behind the Big 10, Big East and ACC.


It'll be great to see WSU in the tournament.

htismaqe
02-07-2006, 08:37 AM
Those weren't road games. STFU

In fact, they were each more of a home game.

LSU and Iowa were each higher than one another in opposite polls last week. LSU is just coming off a loss at Alabama.

Seriously dude, just come out and say it.

"I don't care about facts. I just don't like Iowa."

You know that's what it is, you just want to appear to be impartial.

Ceej
02-07-2006, 10:16 AM
I never said he WOULDN'T be back. I said the way UK has been playing it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't back the following year. Follow me here.


KU also had a good win @ CU.

UK's win against Louisville was not a good win. That's all there is to that. Again, the way things are shaping up UK is going to have to play lights out the rest of the year or win their conference tournament, which they do 90% of the time.

Prince22
02-07-2006, 10:32 AM
I never said he WOULDN'T be back. I said the way UK has been playing it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't back the following year. Follow me here.


KU also had a good win @ CU.

UK's win against Louisville was not a good win. That's all there is to that. Again, the way things are shaping up UK is going to have to play lights out the rest of the year or win their conference tournament, which they do 90% of the time.


I doubt Tubby has a job in Lexington next year. .


What am I not following :rolleyes:

Prince22
02-07-2006, 10:37 AM
And by the way, any win over a rival as big as ours is a big win.

Ceej
02-07-2006, 11:18 AM
Big game in the MVC tonight which could make a big difference come selection Sunday.

WSU @ Northern Iowa...If the shocks could pull this one out on the road it would be a big confidence booster.

HolmeZz
02-07-2006, 11:27 AM
Seriously dude, just come out and say it.

"I don't care about facts. I just don't like Iowa."

You know that's what it is, you just want to appear to be impartial.

What facts? I'm the one who's been giving all the facts. :|

I honestly do like Iowa. I think they're a good team and they can be dangerous. I just think LSU is a better team. Is there any way I can say that without not liking Iowa? :rolleyes:

Andoverer
02-07-2006, 11:29 AM
Big game in the MVC tonight which could make a big difference come selection Sunday.

WSU @ Northern Iowa...If the shocks could pull this one out on the road it would be a big confidence booster.

That plus it could likely push them into the top 25 at last.

htismaqe
02-07-2006, 12:32 PM
What facts? I'm the one who's been giving all the facts. :|

I honestly do like Iowa. I think they're a good team and they can be dangerous. I just think LSU is a better team. Is there any way I can say that without not liking Iowa? :rolleyes:

Yeah, there's a way you can say that. Exactly like you just said it.

You THINK LSU is a better team.

So far you've really not proven your case though.

HolmeZz
02-07-2006, 01:20 PM
Yeah, there's a way you can say that. Exactly like you just said it.

You THINK LSU is a better team.

So far you've really not proven your case though.

a) I don't have to prove shit to you.

b) I did say it as my opinion in the first post. "I don't think they're better than any of the 3 seeds."

c) I made the case that I thought LSU would fare better in the NCAA tourney because of how each team played on the road. That claim was countered with ridiculous arguments like "they're both .500 on the road!!!". I'm the one actually stating facts relevant to the game of basketball. All anyone's been able to come back with is "well, Iowa's ranked higher".

Saulbadguy
02-07-2006, 01:31 PM
Iowa has a higher RPI.

HolmeZz
02-07-2006, 01:36 PM
Iowa has a higher RPI.

Arizona has an RPI of like 18.

Again, I never argued that LSU had a better resume. They don't. Iowa has a better resume. All I've said is that I think LSU is a better team.

htismaqe
02-07-2006, 01:46 PM
a) I don't have to prove shit to you.

b) I did say it as my opinion in the first post. "I don't think they're better than any of the 3 seeds."

c) I made the case that I thought LSU would fare better in the NCAA tourney because of how each team played on the road. That claim was countered with ridiculous arguments like "they're both .500 on the road!!!". I'm the one actually stating facts relevant to the game of basketball. All anyone's been able to come back with is "well, Iowa's ranked higher".

1) Then why do you keep spewing out "facts" that don't mean shit?

2) And when your opinion got disagreed with, you started in with the "facts".

3) Ridiculous arguments? You best read you own. Your case for LSU is WEAK.

HolmeZz
02-07-2006, 01:50 PM
1) Then why do you keep spewing out "facts" that don't mean shit?

2) And when your opinion got disagreed with, you started in with the "facts".

3) Ridiculous arguments? You best read you own. Your case for LSU is WEAK.

What facts did I spew out that don't mean shit? I made the case that LSU was a much better road team than Iowa. Are you going to argue against that? If so, let me hear it.

htismaqe
02-07-2006, 01:57 PM
What facts did I spew out that don't mean shit? I made the case that LSU was a much better road team than Iowa. Are you going to argue against that? If so, let me hear it.

Why bother?

You made your case.

SEVERAL reasons were given as to why your opinion MIGHT be wrong.

You took the "I'm right, you're wrong" stance and your surprised that people no longer want to debate about it?

HolmeZz
02-07-2006, 02:07 PM
Why bother?

You made your case.

SEVERAL reasons were given as to why your opinion MIGHT be wrong.

You took the "I'm right, you're wrong" stance and your surprised that people no longer want to debate about it?

If the argument against it was reasonable, sure I would've listened to it. Saying "well they're both .500 on the road" was...

1) First off, false. Iowa is 3-4 on the road. LSU is 4-4.

2) Secondly, it ignores the actual opponents each played on the road and ignores how they played in the games.

Again, I said LSU was the better team in my opinion. I didn't try to defend that actual point though because I think you could make the argument for either side that it's better than the other. What I did claim was that LSU was the better road team. If you can make a good argument against it, I'd like to hear it.

Lzen
02-07-2006, 02:31 PM
Hey, I thought this was supposed to be a KU thread. GTF outta here, you other fans. 4321




:p

HolmeZz
02-08-2006, 08:50 PM
Iowa dominant tonight on the road.

htismaqe
02-08-2006, 08:53 PM
Iowa dominant tonight on the road.

What's the score? I'm not allowed to watch the game, my 4-year old made me play football -- in the HOUSE.

HolmeZz
02-08-2006, 08:54 PM
What's the score? I'm not allowed to watch the game, my 4-year old made me play football -- in the HOUSE.

They're down 49-48 with 25 seconds left.

htismaqe
02-08-2006, 08:55 PM
ROFL

They're getting beat at Northwestern AGAIN.

****ing Alford can't win there to save his life.

HolmeZz
02-08-2006, 09:02 PM
Northwestern wins.

Skip Towne
02-08-2006, 09:11 PM
What's the score? I'm not allowed to watch the game, my 4-year old made me play football -- in the HOUSE.
OMG!! You reproduced??!!

HolmeZz
02-18-2006, 05:32 PM
Hawkeyes are road warriors.

:redface:

banyon
02-18-2006, 06:02 PM
Hawkeyes are road warriors.

:redface:

Wont let that go will ya? :rolleyes:

LSU is sure dominating right now against an opponent similar to Minnesota.

banyon
02-18-2006, 07:05 PM
KU bracket looks like this:

(1) DUKE (24-1) / ACC
(16) GEORGIA SO. (16-7) / Southern

(8) Seton Hall (16-7) / Big East
(9) Washington (19-5) / Pac-10

San Diego
(5) Kansas (17-6) / Big 12
(12) UAB (17-5) / Conf USA

(4) GEORGE WASH. (21-1) / A-10
(13) IONA (19-5) / MAAC

Dayton
(6) Oklahoma (16-6) / Big 12
(11) UNC Wilmington (20-7) / CAA

(3) Ohio State (18-4) / Big Ten
(14) MURRAY ST (18-5) / OVC

Dayton
(7) Alabama (14-9) / SEC
(10) BUCKNELL (20-3) / Patriot

(2) Pittsburgh (20-3) / Big East
(15) IUPUI (16-7) / Mid-Con
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology
________________________________________________
IMO this bracket looks worse in the 1st 2 rounds, but better after that.

So

A)we moved into Duke's bracket, who I think we match up better with than UCONN, if we can win 2.

B) 1st round we would be playing UAB instead of Utah St. That sucks, cause they have some depth and experience.

C)2nd Round G Wash instead of NC State. That seems worse too. It's hard to know, because all G Wash and Pops Mensah-Bonsu do is beat up on Atlantic 10 Garbage schools.

Would rather have played in Salt Lake City than San Diego for travelling purposes.

Of course whooping up on :mizzou: today doesn't hurt our seeding.

Mr. Laz
02-18-2006, 07:10 PM
they better not have OU and KU that close in the bracket.

heck, there's only gonna be 3/4 big 12 teams this year.... they need to be spread out.

i really don't want any part of george washington.

ROYC75
02-18-2006, 07:10 PM
Meh, all of this shit is just for kicks, it will probally be nothing like this when the brackets come out.

Dave Lane
02-18-2006, 07:13 PM
KU's up to a 5 now.

Dave

banyon
02-18-2006, 07:19 PM
On a side note, the Missouri Valley is starting to get really interesting. There's a real shot of 5 teams getting in.

Today's games:

N. Iowa 65 #23 Bucknell 61 2OT

Missouri State 72 Wisconsin-Milwaukee 63

Indiana State 59 Western Michigan 57

Miami (OH) 51 Illinois St 49

Louisiana Tech 54 Southern Illinois 51

Wichita St. 7 George Mason 5 (in progress ESPN 2/15:30 left in 1st half)

The NCAA teams are representing for the MVC on bracket busters! :thumb:

banyon
02-18-2006, 07:22 PM
they better not have OU and KU that close in the bracket.

heck, there's only gonna be 3/4 big 12 teams this year.... they need to be spread out.

i really don't want any part of george washington.

They're not as close as they look. We'd meet them in the final 8 of that bracket.

That's the NCAA rule, conference teams can't meet each other until the final 8.

Course the Big East with its 1000 teams might screw up that formula this year.

banyon
02-18-2006, 07:24 PM
KU's up to a 5 now.

Dave


I know. Holmezz resurrected this thread to renew his festival of hatred against the Iowa Hawkeyes.

Cause they are SO much worse than LSU.

Right, Holmezz? ;)

HolmeZz
02-18-2006, 07:28 PM
They're a worse road team than LSU, yup.

And no, I don't hate Iowa at all. I just stated my opinion in this thread, which HAPPENED to be anti-Iowa, and then a bunch of Hawkeye homers challenged my opinion.

banyon
02-18-2006, 07:29 PM
yeah..but you brought this thread back up 10 days later.

your passion is strong. Dont fight it.:)

HolmeZz
02-18-2006, 07:32 PM
Yeah, I like being able to rub people's faces in it. I'm rotten. :)

But no, I don't hate Iowa.

Skip Towne
02-18-2006, 07:32 PM
Why wouldn't they put us in Dallas as a 5 (or 6) seed?

banyon
02-18-2006, 07:36 PM
some all-powerful mod appears to have merged this thread with the old one...

thanks, I guess. Except that the wrong infos is now on the lead post.

Guess I'll fix that with an edit :)

Skip Towne
02-18-2006, 07:40 PM
some all-powerful mod appears to have merged this thread with the old one...

thanks, I guess. Except that the wrong infos is now on the lead post.

Guess I'll fix that with an edit :)
Let's hunt that power mad f*cker down and de-nut him.

banyon
02-18-2006, 07:43 PM
Why wouldn't they put us in Dallas as a 5 (or 6) seed?

They can't because they rewarded Texas with a spot there. It's also the closest spot for Memphis to go to as the 2. Since they are higher, they'll get preference in the "pod" system...for now.

banyon
02-20-2006, 02:15 PM
edited for today. Bracket looks much better with our new respect in the polls.


Can I not alter the original thread title?

Skip Towne
02-20-2006, 02:25 PM
edited for today. Bracket looks much better with our new respect in the polls.


Can I not alter the original thread title?
I'm sure you could if Phobia was still running things. But with these Nazi's we have now probably not.

Bearcat
02-20-2006, 02:51 PM
Why wouldn't they put us in Dallas as a 5 (or 6) seed?


Dallas doesn't get a 5 or 6.... I'd rather be a 6 in Dayton than a 4 in San Diego though.

Dave Lane
02-20-2006, 02:53 PM
Cool now its a 4 seed.

Dave

Bearcat
02-20-2006, 02:58 PM
Kentucky loses to Vanderbilt to wrap up a 3 game losing streak that should finish off their tournament hopes.... I think they fell to 11 last week... they beat two 14-11 teams, and now they're back at 9?!?! The Kentucky homerism is really getting old.