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Count Zarth
02-26-2006, 04:48 PM
What good 40 times have you seen?

QB Marcus Vick ran a 4.54

QB Brad Smith also ran a 4.54

QB Charlie Whitehurst has a huge arm and ran a 4.75. Pretty good for a white guy.

Texas A&M's QB Reggie McNeal ran a 4.37!!!

Count Zarth
02-26-2006, 04:50 PM
Derek Hagan ran a 4.42. Big WR that can really jump. Exciting prospect.

sondevil
02-26-2006, 04:51 PM
will be the next Marvin Harrison.

Count Zarth
02-26-2006, 04:51 PM
DJ Shockley also ran a 4.54 for the QBs...lots of athletic QBs in this draft.

Brad Smith improved his 40 to 4.49.

Mecca
02-26-2006, 04:51 PM
Those numbers are fine other than Hagan dropped every ball thrown to him in the Senior Bowl.

McNeal is a 2nd day project QB, he may end up as a WR after that 40 time.

Count Zarth
02-26-2006, 04:52 PM
will be the next Marvin Harrison.

Hagan is 6'2. That's not a great comparison.

Mecca
02-26-2006, 04:53 PM
Hagan has crap hands, I'm sorry he can run a blazing time he still hasn't proven to any scout he can catch. He destroyed himself down in mobile dropping passes all week and in the game.

Count Zarth
02-26-2006, 04:53 PM
Vick also improves to 4.49 on his second time.

jspchief
02-26-2006, 04:57 PM
will be the next Marvin Harrison.Hagan couldn't catch a cold. He was still dropping passes at the combine.Comparing him to Marvin Harrison is like comparing McCleon to Deion Sanders.

There were some "unknown" WRs that put up some good 40 times. I think there's good WR speed in this year's draft.

CoMoChief
02-26-2006, 05:02 PM
DJ Shockley also ran a 4.54 for the QBs...lots of athletic QBs in this draft.

Brad Smith improved his 40 to 4.49.


Brad Smith while at MU ran a high 4.3 did he not? Thats what I heard at least.

Mecca
02-26-2006, 05:03 PM
Brad Smith while at MU ran a high 4.3 did he not? Thats what I heard at least.

Colleges lie about measurables and numbers all the time..........Usually if a guy is 6'3 in college he'll be 6'1 when he gets measured.

CoMoChief
02-26-2006, 05:04 PM
Hagan couldn't catch a cold. He was still dropping passes at the combine.Comparing him to Marvin Harrison is like comparing McCleon to Deion Sanders.

There were some "unknown" WRs that put up some good 40 times. I think there's good WR speed in this year's draft.


Sounds like he's a good project though. You can get better at catching the ball. Just ask Terrell Owens.

Count Zarth
02-26-2006, 05:04 PM
Jay Cutler ran a solid 4.77.

HolmeZz
02-26-2006, 05:16 PM
Hagan has shitty hands and won't be able to separate from DBs to save his life at the next level. He's actually played himself from a 1st rounder to a late 2nd-early 3rd guy. He can run as good a 40 time as he wants, he doesn't play fast at all on the field.

B_Ambuehl
02-26-2006, 05:17 PM
The campus times are hand held....combine times are electronic.

Don't put too much stock in the 40 numbers the hype they're given is mainly just a media creation. Yes, they sometimes can make a difference as far as where a player goes in the draft but once training camp starts all that is thrown out the window. As long as the minimums for a particular position are met everything else is just gravy. The individual drills (which they rarely even show) are more important and the game film is MUCH more important

Count Zarth
02-26-2006, 05:20 PM
Hagan has shitty hands and won't be able to separate from DBs to save his life at the next level. He's actually played himself from a 1st rounder to a late 2nd-early 3rd guy. He can run as good a 40 time as he wants, he doesn't play fast at all on the field.

Hagan looked good in his drills. Caught everything with his hands.

Psyko Tek
02-26-2006, 05:28 PM
why do we care how fast the quarter back can run?

if he's got a good line he should be able to throw from a wheelchair

Count Zarth
02-26-2006, 05:50 PM
why do we care how fast the quarter back can run?

if he's got a good line he should be able to throw from a wheelchair

Both of the QBs in the Super Bowl were mobile QBs. Matt Hasselbeck has excellent footwork.

Mecca
02-26-2006, 05:51 PM
Both of the QBs in the Super Bowl were mobile QBs. Matt Hasselbeck has excellent footwork.

Being mobile and how fast you run 40 yards are 2 different things.....

Count Zarth
02-26-2006, 05:52 PM
Being mobile and how fast you run 40 yards are 2 different things.....

Really? I think it's generally assumed the faster your 40, the more mobile you are.

Cochise
02-26-2006, 05:56 PM
Whitehurst is interesting, and seemed to have a good arm, but his game performances in college weren't all that impressive. He would need a lot of work.

jspchief
02-26-2006, 05:56 PM
Really? I think it's generally assumed the faster your 40, the more mobile you are.In terms of the QB position, I don't think that's the case at all. The 10 and 20 times would be more important, along with agility drills.

But really, the QB 40 times this week, even the bad ones, were pretty good. If you look at what some of the top prospects over the last few years have run, 4.6 or 4.7 is a good time for somebody 6'4", 225. I'd say this class was fast on average.

jspchief
02-26-2006, 05:57 PM
Whitehurst is interesting, and seemed to have a good arm, but his game performances in college weren't all that impressive. He would need a lot of work.I would much prefer Croyle over Whitehurst.

That Martin Ingle or whatever his name is looked good. He'd be more of a 5th round or later guy, but someone to keep in mind.

Count Zarth
02-26-2006, 06:02 PM
Whitehurst is interesting, and seemed to have a good arm, but his game performances in college weren't all that impressive. He would need a lot of work.

Whitehurst had a horrible offensive line. At the Senior Bowl, he looked like the best QB.

Miles
02-26-2006, 06:16 PM
Joseph Addai ran a 4.37 in his first attempt.

Mr. Laz
02-26-2006, 08:04 PM
Texas A&M's QB Reggie McNeal ran a 4.37!!!

i would mind taking a flyer on McNeal

htismaqe
02-26-2006, 08:05 PM
i would mind taking a flyer on McNeal

With that kind of speed, maybe he could be like Randel El.

Mr. Laz
02-26-2006, 08:13 PM
With that kind of speed, maybe he could be like Randel El.
anytime on day 2 would be a viable selection imo


round 3 is a stretch ... we can't afford anything above a most a 3rd.

Chiefnj
02-26-2006, 08:49 PM
It's that time of year again when people want to draft certain players all because they can either bench press 225lbs more than 30 times and/or run 40 yards in a straight line very fast.

If your QB has to run 40 yards in a straight line it is because he just threw a pick and is chasing down a CB headed for the endzone.

Mr. Laz
02-26-2006, 09:14 PM
It's that time of year again when people want to draft certain players all because they can either bench press 225lbs more than 30 times and/or run 40 yards in a straight line very fast.

If your QB has to run 40 yards in a straight line it is because he just threw a pick and is chasing down a CB headed for the endzone.
apparently you didn't see him play

seriously NJ ... you've been on a roll lately :shake:

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Chiefnj
02-26-2006, 10:02 PM
My statement wasn't directed at you. I have no opinion on McNeal.

I just find it funny how much stock people want to put in 40 times and bench presses. I was checking out various Chief sites and was reading lots of things like "Bunkley has propelled himself into a top 10 pick with that bench press workout". I just happened to vent here on the Planet.

HolmeZz
02-26-2006, 10:03 PM
I liked Reggie McNeal alot coming into this season, but he was a complete let down.

As for QB prospects, Brodie Croyle's been my sleeper guy the whole year. I'd be willing to spend a 2nd on him if we addressed defense in round 1.

jspchief
02-27-2006, 07:09 AM
With that kind of speed, maybe he could be like Randel El.The problem with McNeal is that he thinks he can play QB in the NFL. I'm not interested in another Eric Crouch.

htismaqe
02-27-2006, 07:43 AM
The problem with McNeal is that he thinks he can play QB in the NFL. I'm not interested in another Eric Crouch.

That's too bad. Stubborness will get one nowhere.

sondevil
02-27-2006, 09:16 AM
Hagan has crap hands, I'm sorry he can run a blazing time he still hasn't proven to any scout he can catch. He destroyed himself down in mobile dropping passes all week and in the game.

What was it that tipped you off? The 10 catches he had for 162 yards against your Trojans?

The three straight years over 1,000 yards receiving?

How did you come to this conclusion?

Miles
02-27-2006, 02:03 PM
Vernon Davis just ran a ran a 4.37 40. Plus he had 33 reps on the bench and 42" vertical.

Second lowest 40 time for recievers behind Chris Jackson who ran a 4.32.

Mecca
02-27-2006, 02:17 PM
What was it that tipped you off? The 10 catches he had for 162 yards against your Trojans?

The three straight years over 1,000 yards receiving?

How did you come to this conclusion?

Maybe it was the week of the Senior Bowl......or the game itself. Or the fact that he continued to drop balls at the combine........Or maybe it was after his catches against the Trojans in a key moment a ball tipped off his hand for an INT, real clutch that Derek Hagan.....

Miles
02-27-2006, 02:37 PM
Maybe it was the week of the Senior Bowl......or the game itself. Or the fact that he continued to drop balls at the combine........Or maybe it was after his catches against the Trojans in a key moment a ball tipped off his hand for an INT, real clutch that Derek Hagan.....

Normally I tend to discount stuff like bad hands in the senior bowl when compairing it to a players college career. However he looked so bad that its hard to still consider him in the first day.

HolmeZz
02-27-2006, 05:58 PM
John Clayton did a nice little number on Hagan last night. Showed a montage of dropped balls at the combine, called him one of the bigger losers so far.