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Coach
03-05-2006, 11:33 AM
Haven't seen this posted. If a repost, my apologies.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/14019838.htm

Force was with Chiefs
Neil Smith, who will enter team’s Hall of Fame, created havoc
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

If Chiefs football from the first half of the 1990s could be reduced to its essence, what’s left would be third down and long.
Such situations were to be savored. Everyone was aware of what awaited. A race to the quarterback, Derrick Thomas from one side and Neil Smith from the other.

“We changed the way the game was going to be played,” Smith said. “The quarterback can’t sit back there and hold the ball. Somebody was going to get you.”

Smith was the one to get there first almost as often as Thomas. He finished his Chiefs career second on the club’s all-time sack list behind the late Thomas.

He was recognized for those contributions at the annual 101 banquet Saturday night at the Westin Crown Center hotel when owner Lamar Hunt introduced Smith as this year’s entrant to the Chiefs Hall of Fame.
“We’ve never had anything like them with the Chiefs,” Hunt said in a recent interview. “And we had the privilege of watching them game after game for a lot of years.”

Playing in the sometimes considerable shadow of Thomas, Smith was a considerable force in his own right during his nine-year Chiefs career that ended in 1996. Smith is not only second in sacks with 86, but he led the league in 1993 with 15. He played five times in the Pro Bowl.
Smith’s long, angular body was built for pass rushing and general disruption. His long arms and huge wingspan made Smith a premier player in the arts of batting passes, causing fumbles and blocking kicks.
Together with Thomas and others, Smith began in 1989 an era of Chiefs popularity in Kansas City that has yet to end.

The Chiefs thought in early 1997 that Smith was on the decline, so they released him. He proved that to be a mistaken notion by playing three seasons with Denver, where he helped the Broncos to two Super Bowl titles, and one with San Diego.

Through it all, Smith never lost his love for Kansas City or the Chiefs. He maintained his home in Blue Springs and his interest in Copeland’s, an Overland Park restaurant.

Today, Smith is part-owner of the Arena Football League’s Kansas City Brigade. He occupies an office at the Brigade’s administrative headquarters in Merriam on Shawnee Mission Parkway.
His second-floor office is obvious to passers-by. It’s the one with the large red Nebraska flag in the window.

It was in that office on a recent afternoon that Smith talked about the significance of entering the Chiefs Hall of Fame. “It didn’t become a goal for me until Derrick Thomas got here,” said Smith, who joined the Chiefs in 1988, a year before Thomas. “When he walked in, he said, ‘Homes — he would call me Homes and he would call me Smitty — we’re going to be up there on that (Arrowhead Stadium) wall together.’ That’s when I started to think that we could do some good things and it might happen.”

Thomas entered the Chiefs Hall of Fame in 2001, less than a year after his death. It then became only a matter of time for Smith.
‘They complemented one another extremely well,” former Chiefs coach Marty Schottenheimer said. “It was hard for people to be able to protect against both Neil and Derrick. They kind of fed off one another. There was always this competition between them, which was excellent for us and for them.

“Everybody always thought of Neil as a pass rusher, but he played the run pretty well. I always thought he never got the credit that he deserved for that part of the game.”

For a time in the early ’90s, Smith’s sack numbers matched those of the other top pass rushers, including Thomas.

“Bruce Smith was as quick as a cat,” said former Chiefs offensive tackle John Alt, who frequently practiced against Neil Smith. “Lawrence Taylor was unbelievable coming off the edge. Reggie White had the great rip move. I don’t think Neil had any one thing you had to watch for. He had a little bit of everything, and he used it well.”

Smith may not have had the signature move in the pass rush, but he had several elsewhere. His post-sack, celebratory golf swing — it later evolved into a baseball swing — sent the Arrowhead crowd into a fervor.

He carried a distinctive game-day look late in his career by wearing a Band-Aid across his nose, a move mimicked by plenty of Chiefs fans. His pre-snap flinch move, designed to get the opposing lineman out of his stance prematurely, worked so well that the NFL eventually legislated against it with what is known as the Neil Smith rule.

Smith’s one regret is that he didn’t get to finish his career with the Chiefs.

Smith admitted to conflicting emotions after he and his Broncos beat the Chiefs at Arrowhead in a titanic playoff struggle after the 1997 season.
“I went over to the (Chiefs) locker room after the game,” Smith said. “There was a lot of disappointment. Guys were sitting in there hurt, destroyed. I was hurting a little bit. Those were my friends.”
Those wounds have mostly healed now, but they were deep at the time. After beating the Chiefs in the playoffs, Smith and the Broncos went to Pittsburgh for the AFC championship game against the Steelers.
Immediately after the game, a Denver victory, Smith spotted a familiar Kansas City reporter and gleefully shouted, “Ask Marty what he thinks of me now.”

“That was the most (painful) thing that happened in my career. Marty told me he really thought my career was at the end. He thought I had already peaked and my better years were behind me.”
Today, Hunt shared the regret.

“The only thing I’m sorry about is that he got a Super Bowl ring with Denver and didn’t get one for the Chiefs,” Hunt said. “He’s proud of those two rings but I think in his heart, he really believes in red and gold.”

gblowfish
03-05-2006, 11:39 AM
Sorry, but I'm against Neil Smith being in Chiefs HOF. He chose to sign in Denver, play in the AFC West, and took an active role in derailing our Super Bowl hopes in 1997. He could have gone to the NFC or outside the division. He wanted to rub our noses in it. He went to the dark side. He's dead to me.

Playing for the Donkos or Raiders is the kiss of death in my book.

http://www.georgeblowfish.com/Chiefspage9.html

DaKCMan AP
03-05-2006, 11:46 AM
Still can't forgive him for going to the stinkin' donks and then talking shit against the chiefs. The nfl films stuff of "I'm on the good side now" etc. Then he came and still did the sack swing, totally disrespectful.

beavis
03-05-2006, 12:12 PM
Sorry, but I'm against Neil Smith being in Chiefs HOF. He chose to sign in Denver, play in the AFC West, and took an active role in derailing our Super Bowl hopes in 1997. He could have gone to the NFC or outside the division. He wanted to rub our noses in it. He went to the dark side. He's dead to me.

Playing for the Donkos or Raiders is the kiss of death in my book.

http://www.georgeblowfish.com/Chiefspage9.html
That's ****ing stupid. Not only did we cut him, but told him he was on the downside of his career. He had every reason to want to rub our noses in it. Even after that, he still chose to come back to KC after he was finished. Props to Neil... he and Derrick were the face of the team for almost a decade. I can think of no one else that deserves to be on the ring as much as him.

HemiEd
03-05-2006, 12:21 PM
I still love the guy, lot of good memories. He brought that nose bandaid thing to Sports as well I think.

BIG K
03-05-2006, 12:25 PM
That's ****ing stupid. Not only did we cut him, but told him he was on the downside of his career. He had every reason to want to rub our noses in it. Even after that, he still chose to come back to KC after he was finished. Props to Neil... he and Derrick were the face of the team for almost a decade. I can think of no one else that deserves to be on the ring as much as him.

Yup....Those two were the only reason I began watching the Chiefs.

Rain Man
03-05-2006, 12:46 PM
I bear no ill will against Neil Smith, and he produced far more for KC than for that villainous team. He was a delight to watch when he played for us, and my memories of him will always be good.

Perhaps my favorite memory of him was at a game that I actually attended, against Cincinnati in the very early 90s. On one play, he shifted in to a tackle position as everybody was lined up, and was kind of jumping around. It looked like the center moved a little bit, and all of a sudden Neil was in the air somersaulting over the top of the center and the guard to nail the quarterback. He ended up being called offsides on the play, but the agility of a guy his size to be able to do that had me agog. He was a legitimate star who didn't get the attention he deserved for the Chiefs because he was always the second-best pass rusher, the Pippen to DT's Jordan.

Chieftain58
03-05-2006, 12:53 PM
I don't like this personally.... I think he is an okay guy but the ring should be for true Red and Gold players

chefsos
03-05-2006, 01:07 PM
Whenever a Chiefs game was on TV in those days and someone (wife, daughter, whoever) who didn't follow the game was with me, I'd always tell them, "See #90 there? Watch what he does to the poor guy in front of him, who's not allowed to move."

That flinch. I laugh. Then the question: "He can't do that, can he?"

ROFL

Oh, yeah, baby. Perfectly legal. Well, at least 'til it wasn't anymore.

Rain Man
03-05-2006, 01:22 PM
I don't like this personally.... I think he is an okay guy but the ring should be for true Red and Gold players


So, if (God forbid) Carl should cut Will Shields and he went and played a year for the Buccaneers or the Falcons or some other anonymous team, he shouldn't be allowed in the Ring of Fame?

milkman
03-05-2006, 01:25 PM
Yup....Those two were the only reason I began watching the Chiefs.

This statement here is something I don't think the NFL understands.

It is the most popular sport in America still, but the NFL, in it's infinite wisdom, believes to maintain it's popularity, and to continue to capture the interest of the younger generation, it has to enhance the offense's ability to make big plays and put up points.

In order to achieve that, the NFL is continually handcuffing Ds with new rules, and placing more emphasis on existing rules.

But here's a guy who, according to his profile, began watching the Chiefs in his early twenties because of the outstanding play of two defensive players.

The NFL needs to stop giving the offense so many advantages.

Rain Man
03-05-2006, 01:29 PM
I completely agree. If I just want to watch scoring with no defense, I'll watch basketball.

The league is RUINING the game by turning it into a high-scoring affair every time out. A balance between offense and defense is vital for the good of the game, and it's out of whack now as badly as it was back in the 20s when no one ever scored.

cdcox
03-05-2006, 01:31 PM
Just a quick review of the facts:

Smith recorded only 6 sacks in 1996, his last season with the Chiefs. He was 30 years old and had 9 years in the league. These are the statistics of a player on the decline. And the facts bore that out. He increased his sack total to 8.5 in 1997, but then fell below 6 sacks per year for his remaing years. He never achieved his past glory. The Chiefs were correct in that he didn't deserve a new blockbuster contract, which is what Smith thought he deserved.

At the end of 1996 both Thomas and Smith's contracts were coming up and the Chiefs didn't have a lot of room under the cap. We had to make a choice. During the 1996 season, Smith was offered a deal that averaged $3.6M a season. That was our chance to keep both Smith and Thomas. Smith turned it down; in doing so he forced the Chiefs hand. He later got a one-year $1.5M contract from Denver. Bright guy.

Smith left KC of his own pride and ended up playing for Denver for less money. As far as I'm concerned he crapped all over the 9 years of glory on the Chiefs line. I appreciate what he did for KC in an intellectual way, but in my heart, he quit being a Chief the day he left. He can never get that back.

Link to an article containing the facts:

http://www.geocities.com/nflhuskers/archives/articles/19970831smithvschiefs.html

Sure-Oz
03-05-2006, 01:31 PM
Neil was a pimp when he was here, he still lives in the area as well.

Mile High Mania
03-05-2006, 01:51 PM
Too funny... KC kicks him to the curb and it's his fault for taking a contract with Denver. Granted, I understand the love hate thing, but it's just weird to me.

I have no issues with Sharpe getting bounced in Denver, going to Baltimore ... talking crap, beating Denver and winning a ring.

These guys play for contracts, it's their jobs and while they may love a team like KC or Denver... it's a job to them.

Chieftain58
03-05-2006, 01:55 PM
I said I din't like it... If you like it then more power to you.. Thats my opinion.

cdcox
03-05-2006, 02:15 PM
Too funny... KC kicks him to the curb and it's his fault for taking a contract with Denver.

It's the fact that he took less money to play for Denver, and then is still stupid enough to think the Chiefs didn't value him. Obviously he grossly overestimated his value. Now the attempt to re-write history to make it look like it was somehow some kind of tragic mistake by the Chiefs to let him go, when in fact their apprasial that he was in decline was dead accurate. We offered him a fair contract for a player at his stage in his career. That wasn't good enough for him. So he took less money to play for Denver and now he wants everyone to think the Chiefs made the big mistake.

Mile High Mania
03-05-2006, 02:17 PM
I'm just glad he changed uniforms for two years...

Psyko Tek
03-05-2006, 02:42 PM
Yeah if you think of just as a job
I mean I got laid off from a place
worked 10 plus years there

I've had many jobs since then, but that remains my favorite

Al Czervik
03-05-2006, 03:20 PM
CDCOX....Nice work.

That is exactly what pisses me off about Smith.

He could of stayed, for more money than the cheating donks
paid him, but he overestimated his value.

Dont act like we dont know any better Neil.....

And BTW, your food at Copeland Sucks......

Bwana
03-05-2006, 03:37 PM
Screw Smith. After the guy took less green to join the donks, he can kiss my azz.

milkman
03-05-2006, 03:44 PM
So, do you guys think any less of Donnie Edwards for going to the Chargers in the similiar fashion, or is going to the Chargers less of a sin?

Bwana
03-05-2006, 03:46 PM
I don't remember Edwards running his mouth.

milkman
03-05-2006, 03:56 PM
I don't remember Edwards running his mouth.

My question has more to do with both overestimating their value, and taking less than the Chiefs offered to play for another team within the division.

I never cared for Edwards, so it didn't bother me when he left, or he he went to.

Smith, on the other hand, did piss me off, and I feel the same as you, and others.

**** him.

I'm just curious if the reaction to the teams they went to play for is different.

cdcox
03-05-2006, 04:43 PM
There are similarities and differences in Edwards case. One additional similarity that hasn't been mentioned is that both Gonzo and Edwards were coming up for FA at the same time, and we couldn't give both large offers.

Some differences are that Edwards wasn't a pro-bowl player when he left, he had fewer years service with the Chiefs, and he seems to have had his best years with the Chargers. I'm guessing that most people will remember Edwards as a Charger when he retires. So I have the feeling that the ties between the Chiefs and Edwards weren't nearly so deep.

No, I don't feel the same animosity towards Edwards, because I never considered him a core guy.

Mile High Mania
03-05-2006, 04:53 PM
I just don't understand why you don't like the guy...

http://cjonline.com/images/120798/sptschiefsneil.jpg

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://augustasports.com/images/headlines/122699/broncos_lions__horz.jpg

http://slam.canoe.ca/Images99SuperBowl/bowl24.jpg

Frazod
03-05-2006, 04:54 PM
Putting this traitorous turd in the Chiefs HOF is like burying Benedict Arnold at West Point.

I hate that Bronco piece of shit. To hell with him. PERIOD. :#

gblowfish
03-05-2006, 05:10 PM
That's ****ing stupid. Not only did we cut him, but told him he was on the downside of his career. He had every reason to want to rub our noses in it. Even after that, he still chose to come back to KC after he was finished. Props to Neil... he and Derrick were the face of the team for almost a decade. I can think of no one else that deserves to be on the ring as much as him.Why do you think Albert Lewis isn't on the HOF ring? At his position, he was a much greater player than Neil Smith was, and was the best punt blocker the Chiefs ever had. But he chose as a free agent to play for Oakland. If you leave KC and choose to play for Oakland or Denver, that's it, you're done. Smith just came back to KC after his career to cash in on his "celebrity status" here. See any former Chiefs on the Oakland or Denver HOF ring? Hell, no. The difference on Donnie Edwards was GRob and Grandpa Dick didn't think he could play, cut him loose, and Donnie went back to his home town, San Diego, to play for his first coach, Marty. Vermeil said it was his biggest personnel mistake in five years as head coach.

BTW: If Will Shields leaves KC and willfully signs with Denver or Oakland, I'd say keep his ass off the ring too. That's how much I despise Denver and Oakland.

cdcox
03-05-2006, 05:16 PM
This thread is a great example why I think the fans have a greater stake in the team than players, coaches, or even owners. Players and coaches change teams and owners can sell, but a fan has no choice. If I were Hunt, I don't think I would put Neil Smith on the Chiefs HOF. I'm little and bitter that way.

Fruit Ninja
03-05-2006, 05:18 PM
You guys take that shit to the heart to much. lol Good reading though.

cdcox
03-05-2006, 05:19 PM
You guys take that shit to the heart to much. lol Good reading though.

You're not a true fan.












:)

Spicy McHaggis
03-05-2006, 05:23 PM
I'm looking forward to his induction speech.

Rain Man
03-05-2006, 05:29 PM
My proposal is that any player that leaves the Chiefs for another team should be considered for the Ring of Fame, but with the following caveat:

Any statistics that they acquired for a division rival should be removed from their stats acquired while playing for the Chiefs.

For example, if Player A had 1,500 rushes for 6,500 rushing yards for the Chiefs, and then left and had another 700 attempts for 2,300 yards for the Broncos, then for the purposes of considering him for the Chiefs Ring of Fame, we would assume that he had 4,200 yards on 800 carries. Similarly, a guy who had 80 sacks for the Chiefs and 10 for the Broncos would be considered to have 70 sacks for the Chiefs when it's time to consider him.

The math is pretty simple. Every accomplishment for another division team gets a negative sign put in front of it before it's added in.

Of course, this rule applies only to stats acquired if the player leaves the Chiefs and goes to the other division team as a free agent. If he's traded or cut by the Chiefs, or if he joins the Chiefs after having played for another team first, there's no penalty.

Fruit Ninja
03-05-2006, 07:20 PM
You're not a true fan.












:)I just know its a buisness first. Has nothing to do with a true fan. I live in california and i havent missed 1 chiefs game in the last 7 years.

cdcox
03-05-2006, 07:41 PM
I just know its a buisness first. Has nothing to do with a true fan. I live in california and i havent missed 1 chiefs game in the last 7 years.

Accusing some one of not being a "true fan" is a standing inside joke. Wasn't seriously doubting your fanhood, hence the smiley.

Count Zarth
03-05-2006, 09:33 PM
Eh, yeah he belongs. Simple because that homerun swing was badass.

Halfcan
03-05-2006, 09:53 PM
This statement here is something I don't think the NFL understands.

It is the most popular sport in America still, but the NFL, in it's infinite wisdom, believes to maintain it's popularity, and to continue to capture the interest of the younger generation, it has to enhance the offense's ability to make big plays and put up points.

In order to achieve that, the NFL is continually handcuffing Ds with new rules, and placing more emphasis on existing rules.

But here's a guy who, according to his profile, began watching the Chiefs in his early twenties because of the outstanding play of two defensive players.

The NFL needs to stop giving the offense so many advantages.

I was going to post the exact same thing. Not really-but still a good post. Neil deserves to be in the Pro HOF too.

Boon
03-05-2006, 10:08 PM
I'm looking forward to his induction speech.


ROFL

That should be a good one indeed!!!

gblowfish
03-05-2006, 10:09 PM
You guys take that shit to the heart to much. lol Good reading though.My mom once told me my worst personality trait was I held grudges for a long, long time.















I'll never forgive her for telling me that.

milkman
03-05-2006, 10:19 PM
I was going to post the exact same thing. Not really-but still a good post. Neil deserves to be in the Pro HOF too.

That wasn't the point of my post.

I don't believe Smith's play is Ring of Fame worthy, much less HOF.

milkman
03-05-2006, 10:20 PM
My mom once told me my worst personality trait was I held grudges for a long, long time.















I'll never forgive her for telling me that.

ROFL

Halfcan
03-05-2006, 10:27 PM
You must have missed the games I saw-Neil was a stud.

Batman and Robin-as DT called themselves-both deserve to be in the HOF.

milkman
03-05-2006, 10:32 PM
You must have missed the games I saw-Neil was a stud.

Batman and Robin-as DT called themselves-both deserve to be in the HOF.

As I said in another thread, I measure their play against the play of the great defense of the 60s and 70s.

DT was a special player who almost approached Lanier, Buchanon, and Bell's greatness.

Neil Smith didn't approach that level.

greg63
03-05-2006, 10:35 PM
You must have missed the games I saw-Neil was a stud.

Batman and Robin-as DT called themselves-both deserve to be in the HOF.
Yep; I loved the 1993 game in Denver when he played through the pain of that bum thumb with that big cast on it.

Count Zarth
03-05-2006, 10:35 PM
Isn't Jack Steadman in the CHOF?

Halfcan
03-05-2006, 10:36 PM
I get what your saying Side-but he has two SB rings and a shitload of sacks, but you are probably right-just my memories of all the great games I used to go to talking-man our D was awesome back then. I would take a young Neil Smith right now instead of Hicks.

KcMizzou
03-05-2006, 10:37 PM
I would take a young Neil Smith right now instead of Hicks.Heh. You're not exactly going out on a limb there...

Halfcan
03-05-2006, 10:44 PM
Heh. You're not exactly going out on a limb there...


I would take DT in his rookie year over Bell.

milkman
03-05-2006, 10:46 PM
I get what your saying Side-but he has two SB rings and a shitload of sacks, but you are probably right-just my memories of all the great games I used to go to talking-man our D was awesome back then. I would take a young Neil Smith right now instead of Hicks.

Smith was a good player, a hell of lot better than Hicks, no doubt.

He's just not HOF, or ROF material, IMO.

milkman
03-05-2006, 10:47 PM
I would take DT in his rookie year over Bell.

Keep looking, you haven't found a limb yet.

Halfcan
03-05-2006, 11:09 PM
Keep looking, you haven't found a limb yet.

I would take our SB winning Chiefs team over what we have now. I think they would be badasses, even though the game has changed.

KcMizzou
03-05-2006, 11:17 PM
I would take our SB winning Chiefs team over what we have now. You're not very good at this.

Taco John
03-05-2006, 11:27 PM
Still can't forgive him for going to the stinkin' donks and then talking shit against the chiefs. The nfl films stuff of "I'm on the good side now" etc. Then he came and still did the sack swing, totally disrespectful.



That was one of my single favorite moments in the history of the Denver/KC rivalry... when Neil Smith swung in Arrowhead Stadium. He became a Bronco that day to me. I'll happily claim the guy.

Inspector
03-06-2006, 07:54 AM
Neil bought my house I was selling a few years ago.

I liked his money.

MOhillbilly
03-06-2006, 07:58 AM
Who the fu-ck can blaim another man for going to where opportunity is the strongest?

jspchief
03-06-2006, 09:09 AM
If you're going to hold a grudge against every player that leaves KC, there aren't going to be a lot of names added to the RoF in the next 20 years. Players just aren't going to stick with teams like they once did.

I don't think Smith is HoF material, but he may be Chiefs RoF material. But I can also see holding his going to a divison rival against him.

I'd say I'm indifferent. I think his play warranted it, but if he was held off for his post chiefs actions, I wouldn't be outraged.

I also agree with Mohillbilly that you can't hardly blame the guy for leaving KC to get a ring elsewhere. There's a lot of guys that have been loyal to KC and will likely never be rewarded with a ring.