Official Chiefs Planet Gay Bashing Thread [Archive]

Sully

03-06-2006, 12:38 PM

Mr. Kotter

03-06-2006, 01:55 PM

Apparently wqe aren't supposed to call it gay bashing, in order not to offend those who like to discriminate. We are to call it "Anti-Gay." Please be sensitive to the Anti-gay folks, respect their opinion, wishes and feelings, and refrain from the term, "Gay-bashing."

Thanks.

I love how those who preach the social gospel of "tolerance," are often among the most intolerant people I ever meet.... :rolleyes:

:shake:

Chief Henry

03-06-2006, 02:08 PM

You mean Humpback Mountain only Won one Oscar ? WTF happened to it winning the Best Picture ?

Mr. Kotter

03-06-2006, 02:12 PM

You mean Humpback Mountain only Won one Oscar ? WTF happened to it winning the Best Picture ?

It won three or four....but Crash beat it for the biggie...probably because all those voters in the Academy are really a bunch of HOMOPHOBES!!!

Pitt Gorilla

03-06-2006, 02:16 PM

banyon

03-06-2006, 02:20 PM

It won three or four....but Crash beat it for the biggie...probably because all those voters in the Academy are really a bunch of HOMOPHOBES!!!

3:

Best Director:Ang Lee

Best Adapted Screenplay :Larry McMurtry

Best Score

I picked Crash in our Oscar pool because I thought Hollywood would be too afraid of the Bill O'Reilly et. al backlash.

Most of the right-wing media did a pre-emptive strike against the movie even though most of them hadn't seen it.

IMO I think Good Night and Good Luck should've won. Not because it's a great movie, but mostly as a compromise because Crash and Brokeback aren't that good, and Capote won't hold up as well. I think either Crash or Brokeback(had it won) would be the worst best picture winner since Gladiator or maybe Chicago.

mlyonsd

03-06-2006, 03:00 PM

3:

Best Director:Ang Lee

Best Adapted Screenplay :Larry McMurtry

Best Score

I didn't know they had a category for that now. That's just wrong. Who votes on that? Just gays or are straights included as well?

Sully

03-06-2006, 03:01 PM

I love how those who preach the social gospel of "tolerance," are often among the most intolerant people I ever meet.... :rolleyes:

:shake:
Was there something intolerant about what I typed? I was just asking people to refer to other in that group's preferred terminology... :rolleyes:

Taco John

03-06-2006, 03:03 PM

Apparently wqe aren't supposed to call it gay bashing, in order not to offend those who like to discriminate. We are to call it "Anti-Gay." Please be sensitive to the Anti-gay folks, respect their opinion, wishes and feelings, and refrain from the term, "Gay-bashing."

Thanks.

Nice. Better yet, Kotter had a terrible comeback. It's almost like you pegged him twice.

Pitt Gorilla

03-06-2006, 03:38 PM

Nice. Better yet, Kotter had a terrible comeback. It's almost like you pegged him twice.Yup.

Mr. Kotter

03-06-2006, 03:51 PM

Was there something intolerant about what I typed? I was just asking people to refer to other in that group's preferred terminology... :rolleyes:

Your sarcasm and insincerity were seething from that post. :rolleyes:

Nevermind, though....I'll leave the seething to you to and your buddies.

Reaper16

03-06-2006, 04:04 PM

The one thing I can't tolerate is intolerance.

Chief Henry

03-06-2006, 04:11 PM

Your sarcasm and insincerity were seething from that post. :rolleyes:

Nevermind, though....I'll leave the seething to you to and your buddies.

Ya know, They were complaining about the (lack) of Gay Bashing threads
and Muslim Bashing threads. Then when we give them one, they still
complain. Go figure..... :deevee:

Sully

03-06-2006, 04:12 PM

It's funny how those who so quickly and loudly boast that the rest of us need to quit whining are the quickest ones to be offended when a joke is made at their expense or their position is (at most incrimentally) misrepresented.

chagrin

03-06-2006, 04:17 PM

The one thing I can't tolerate is intolerance.

ROFL

Yeah, watch it dude, or you will be the first example made of, by the elitist pro-gay, violent anti-violence protesters on this board.

:p

Mr. Kotter

03-06-2006, 04:18 PM

The one thing I can't tolerate is intolerance.

Where "intolerance" is nothing more than a euphemism for "those who don't agree with my politics and my morality"....

Bigotry: Whenever someone disagrees with a liberal....

Reaper16

03-06-2006, 04:42 PM

Where "intolerance" is nothing more than a euphemism for "those who don't agree with my politics and my morality"....

Bigotry: Whenever someone disagrees with a liberal....
Both sides are guilty of it.

And because morailty is so subjective, it leads itself to that, especially if you're passionate about a cause. I, for example, won't hesitate to call someone intolerant if they're against equal rights for homosexuals. (Civil Unions at least)

CRONUS

03-06-2006, 04:51 PM

I admit this thread is funny. Not LOL funny, but funny.

RaiderH8r

03-06-2006, 04:54 PM

Both sides are guilty of it.

And because morailty is so subjective, it leads itself to that, especially if you're passionate about a cause. I, for example, won't hesitate to call someone intolerant if they're against equal rights for homosexuals. (Civil Unions at least)
Tolerance is not synonomous with acceptance. I tolerate Raider fans, meaning I generally disapprove of their actions and beliefs but let them live anyway because I'm a tolerant guy. What I don't do is coddle them, tell them everything will be OK and one day, once society realizes the error of its ways, they will be embraced and loved by all. Because that's just not true. It's like teasing a retard.

I tolerate gays diddling each other in the corn hole for their own pleasure, but in the end (no pun intended) they're just a couple of guys ****ing around with Darwin.

Darwin-1
Rump Rangers- o -> O

Reaper16

03-06-2006, 05:05 PM

Tolerance is not synonomous with acceptance. I tolerate Raider fans, meaning I generally disapprove of their actions and beliefs but let them live anyway because I'm a tolerant guy. What I don't do is coddle them, tell them everything will be OK and one day, once society realizes the error of its ways, they will be embraced and loved by all. Because that's just not true. It's like teasing a retard.

I tolerate gays diddling each other in the corn hole for their own pleasure, but in the end (no pun intended) they're just a couple of guys ****ing around with Darwin.

Darwin-1
Rump Rangers- o -> O
Oooh, it's in thier genetic makeup to be attratced to the same gender! Nature vs nature WHO WINS?

RaiderH8r

03-06-2006, 05:11 PM

Oooh, it's in thier genetic makeup to be attratced to the same gender! Nature vs nature WHO WINS?
Either way, gays are the losers.

1. Nurture-It's a choice. So, you want to get married? Get your pecker out of Peter's poop chute, or find a chick who's in to that.

2. Nature-It's genetic and they are not meant to breed, at least not until evolution catches up and allows for anal conception in males.

Reaper16

03-06-2006, 05:13 PM

Sully

03-06-2006, 05:20 PM

2. Nature-It's genetic and they are not meant to breed, at least not until evolution catches up and allows for anal conception in males.
I guess I missed the aprt where ANYONE was fighting for homosexual's right to concieve...

Claythan

03-06-2006, 05:44 PM

I'm tired of the gay agenda. We need someone pimping bisexuals.

go bowe

03-06-2006, 09:06 PM

hmmmmm...

do you think we should ask big daddy or maybe red?

they apparently know something about the subject, judging from their posts...

of course, i'm totally jealous... :D :D :D

chiefs4me

03-06-2006, 09:17 PM

Thsi thread proves that boys will fight over ANYTHING..:rolleyes:

Mr. Kotter

03-06-2006, 09:21 PM

Thsi thread proves that boys will fight over ANYTHING..:rolleyes:

We will NOT, bitch!!! :cuss:

:p

Reaper16

03-06-2006, 09:35 PM

We will NOT, bitch!!! :cuss:

:p
ROFL

WilliamTheIrish

03-06-2006, 11:18 PM

The one thing I can't tolerate is intolerance.

Good one.

Reaper16

03-06-2006, 11:27 PM

Good one.
Thank you. Paradoxes are quite fun.

listopencil

03-06-2006, 11:46 PM

I heard that gay people eat babies.

listopencil

03-06-2006, 11:54 PM

Either way, gays are the losers.

1. Nurture-It's a choice. So, you want to get married? Get your pecker out of Peter's poop chute, or find a chick who's in to that.

2. Nature-It's genetic and they are not meant to breed, at least not until evolution catches up and allows for anal conception in males.

So what? Have you ever owned multiple male dogs? They are always trying to screw each other. One of my dogs was trying to **** the couch the other day. Do you think the dogs are choosing to be homosexual (or couch-osexual)? They do it because it feels good. I make them stop because I don't want them to mess up the livingroom. If you can buy your own livingroom, do whatever the hell you want to do. It's no one else's business.

Chief Henry

03-07-2006, 07:55 AM

Baby Lee

03-07-2006, 09:10 AM

OH MY GAWD, how can you tell when your couch is gay ?
Dude. Wanna know how I know your couch is gay? ROFL ROFL

Sully

03-07-2006, 09:11 AM

Dude. Wanna know how I know your couch is gay? ROFL ROFL
Because it listens to Coldplay...

Baby Lee

03-07-2006, 09:22 AM

Because it listens to Coldplay...
I think I saw it putting artichoke dip in a bread bowl. :thailor:

jAZ

03-07-2006, 09:49 AM

This thread is just for Jiz, since he's missed some of the threads from the past.
I take it I'm "Jiz". My question is WTF?

I must be missing something, but I've been outa town since Friday. Anyway, why are you starting a "gay bashing thread" just for me?

patteeu

03-07-2006, 09:56 AM

I take it I'm "Jiz". My question is WTF?

I must be missing something, but I've been outa town since Friday. Anyway, why are you starting a "gay bashing thread" just for me?

He has you confused with memyselfi who, in the "Why don't Chiefsplanet righties start threads?" thread, said that Mr. Kotter, recxjake, and I start the occasional gay or muslim bashing thread, which I found so assinine that I didn't bother to respond to it.

Of course there is the occasional gay or Muslim bash...

WilliamTheIrish had an interesting response though (and it's probably how Chief Henry got confused). He said:

What tripe.

Gay bashing my ass.

This reminds me of one of the things that jAZ laments losing in this country: Honest debate. You can't have an honest debate about gays or muslims because everything said about them you take as though the folks at CP are the goddam Phelps clan.

I say it was interesting because the second line is quite funny. I'm not sure if that's intentional or not.

Radar Chief

03-07-2006, 10:41 AM

I say it was interesting because the second line is quite funny.

"Gay bashing my ass." ROFL I can't believe I missed that one. I must be slip'n.

go bowe

03-07-2006, 01:33 PM

"Gay bashing my ass." ROFL I can't believe I missed that one. I must be slip'n.yet the bigger question is why did patteeu catch it? :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

did the weatherman warn him?

Chief Henry

03-07-2006, 03:44 PM

Dude. Wanna know how I know your couch is gay? ROFL ROFL
:Lin:

RaiderH8r

03-07-2006, 05:50 PM

So what? Have you ever owned multiple male dogs? They are always trying to screw each other. One of my dogs was trying to **** the couch the other day. Do you think the dogs are choosing to be homosexual (or couch-osexual)? They do it because it feels good. I make them stop because I don't want them to mess up the livingroom. If you can buy your own livingroom, do whatever the hell you want to do. It's no one else's business.
Just because stiff dick has no conscious doesn't mean that it's behavior should be rewarded or encouraged.

Furthermore, if homosexuality is a result of genetics then it lends itself to the practicality of sexual intercourse. From a strictly biological standpoint, sex serves to reproduce. If one's genetics leaves no choice in preference then their sexual preference is a genetic failure and therefor a defect. So homosexuals are genetic defects.

Reaper16

03-07-2006, 05:57 PM

Just because stiff dick has no conscious doesn't mean that it's behavior should be rewarded or encouraged.

Furthermore, if homosexuality is a result of genetics then it lends itself to the practicality of sexual intercourse. From a strictly biological standpoint, sex serves to reproduce. If one's genetics leaves no choice in preference then their sexual preference is a genetic failure and therefor a defect. So homosexuals are genetic defects.
Even if so, does that make them any less of people?

btw - there are animals, such as dolphins, that engage in sexual activity for pleasure.

Baby Lee

03-07-2006, 06:00 PM

Just because stiff dick has no conscious doesn't mean that it's behavior should be rewarded or encouraged.

Furthermore, if homosexuality is a result of genetics then it lends itself to the practicality of sexual intercourse. From a strictly biological standpoint, sex serves to reproduce. If one's genetics leaves no choice in preference then their sexual preference is a genetic failure and therefor a defect. So homosexuals are genetic defects.
Just the same as fatties, flatties, chicken legs, gingers, dudes who need to fight every time they get a little alcohol in 'em, folks with attached earlobes, bucktooth b!tches, the Winter Brothers, dudes with back hair, dudes with ear hair, chicks with sideburns, and any other of an endless melange of genetic anomolies. So? BFD.

CRONUS

03-07-2006, 11:36 PM

CRONUS

03-07-2006, 11:46 PM

I heard that gay people eat babies.That's because they don't like boobies.:D

Ugly Duck

03-08-2006, 12:40 AM

btw - there are animals, such as dolphins, that engage in sexual activity for pleasure.I've seen male dolphins playing "swordfight" and they appeared to be having a whale of a time. And our closest genetic relatives the Bonobos do it every which way all the time just for kicks. It ain't just humans getting their kinky ya-yas.

RaiderH8r

03-08-2006, 09:27 AM

I've seen male dolphins playing "swordfight" and they appeared to be having a whale of a time. And our closest genetic relatives the Bonobos do it every which way all the time just for kicks. It ain't just humans getting their kinky ya-yas.
If getting kinky ya-yas is a behavior worthy of the implied social validation that marriage provides then why not support polygamy for full social acceptance? Why not incest? It seems the argument that consenting adults can do whatever they want, which I really don't care about. What I care about is the social validation afforded by the institution of marriage. Is diddling around with anything you desire worthy of social validation?

go bowe

03-08-2006, 12:43 PM

sure...

listopencil

03-08-2006, 01:19 PM

If getting kinky ya-yas is a behavior worthy of the implied social validation that marriage provides then why not support polygamy for full social acceptance? Why not incest? It seems the argument that consenting adults can do whatever they want, which I really don't care about. What I care about is the social validation afforded by the institution of marriage. Is diddling around with anything you desire worthy of social validation?

Gay people are part of society too.

Mr. Kotter

03-08-2006, 01:30 PM

Gay people are part of society too.

Sure they are.

However, tolerance is different than socially sanctioning the lifestyle. It's a distinction that reasonable people can make.

patteeu

03-08-2006, 01:39 PM

Gay people are part of society too.

So are intellectuals, drunks, soccer players, and child rapists.

Mr. Kotter

03-08-2006, 01:41 PM

So are intellectuals, drunks, soccer players, and child rapists.

I thought about going there, but chose the high road.....heh. ;)

Duck Dog

03-08-2006, 01:54 PM

Lesbian porn is the best. That's all the tolerance I can muster. And it's not because I am a homophob, I am not afraid of them. It's just the thought of tossing another mans salad grosses me out.

patteeu

03-08-2006, 01:58 PM

I thought about going there, but chose the high road.....heh. ;)

I lost my map and forgot how to get to the high road. :)

patteeu

03-08-2006, 01:59 PM

Lesbian porn is the best. That's all the tolerance I can muster. And it's not because I am a homophob, I am not afraid of them. It's just the thought of tossing another mans salad grosses me out.

But you wouldn't have a problem with a dude tossing yours, would you?

Mr. Kotter

03-08-2006, 02:05 PM

But you wouldn't have a problem with a dude tossing yours, would you?

He and gochiefs are PMing each other regularly.....

RaiderH8r

03-08-2006, 02:06 PM

Sure they are.

However, tolerance is different than socially sanctioning the lifestyle. It's a distinction that reasonable people can make.
Quoted for truth.

Pitt Gorilla

03-08-2006, 02:14 PM

Lesbian porn is the best. That's all the tolerance I can muster. And it's not because I am a homophob, I am not afraid of them. It's just the thought of tossing another mans salad grosses me out.Honestly, the thought of most people engaging in relations grosses me out. Ever been to a Wal-Mart?

Duck Dog

03-08-2006, 02:27 PM

But you wouldn't have a problem with a dude tossing yours, would you?

Flirting with me will not change my mind.

patteeu

03-08-2006, 02:38 PM

Honestly, the thought of most people engaging in relations grosses me out. Ever been to a Wal-Mart?

ROFL

go bowe

03-08-2006, 03:26 PM

So are intellectuals, drunks, soccer players, and child rapists.oh crap...

i don't play soccer...

go bowe

03-08-2006, 03:29 PM

Flirting with me will not change my mind.ROFL ROFL ROFL

Duck Dog

03-08-2006, 05:00 PM

oh crap...

i don't play soccer...

But you are an intellectual drunk aren't you? :p

CRONUS

03-08-2006, 06:32 PM

Ultra Peanut

03-09-2006, 12:07 AM

Just the same as fatties, flatties, chicken legs, gingers, dudes who need to fight every time they get a little alcohol in 'em, folks with attached earlobes, bucktooth b!tches, the Winter Brothers, dudes with back hair, dudes with ear hair, chicks with sideburns, and any other of an endless melange of genetic anomolies. So? BFD.Difference being, those people aren't trying to RUIN AMERICA AND SHAKE IT TO ITS VERY CORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure they are.

However, tolerance is different than socially sanctioning the lifestyle. It's a distinction that reasonable people can make.And intolerance is different than tolerance.

Just because you want to score brownie points by pretending you're "tolerant" while being wholly against anything that brings gays to an equal footing with the rest of society doesn't make you tolerant.

Mr. Kotter

03-09-2006, 07:57 AM

...And intolerance is different than tolerance.

Just because you want to score brownie points by pretending you're "tolerant" while being wholly against anything that brings gays to an equal footing with the rest of society doesn't make you tolerant.

You assumptions are wrong (surprise!)....I'm against "gay marriage." However, I've conceded that if states wish to grant some form of domestic partnerships or civil unions that should be their prerogative.

go bowe

03-09-2006, 12:00 PM

brownie points, huh?

i bet you just wanna be liked... :p :p :p

Mr. Kotter

03-09-2006, 12:30 PM

brownie points, huh?

i bet you just wanna be liked... :p :p :p

You've inspired me, Mr. Mentor. :p

Eye Patch

03-09-2006, 12:35 PM

Just because you want to score brownie points by pretending you're "tolerant" while being wholly against anything that brings gays to an equal footing with the rest of society doesn't make you tolerant.

I think you are missing the point.

If the gays ask for tolerance... they will get it.

but if they ask for acceptance... that is a different story.

Ultra Peanut

03-09-2006, 02:47 PM

"I'll only tolerate them ******s if they drink from different water fountains than us."

Baby Lee

03-09-2006, 03:03 PM

"I'll only tolerate them ******s if they drink from different water fountains than us."
Attribution??

patteeu

03-09-2006, 03:03 PM

"I'll only tolerate them ******s if they drink from different water fountains than us."

WTF are you talking about? No one is talking about different water fountains here. Gay marriage isn't a different water fountain. No one is stopping gays from making commitments to one another or living together or taking golf lessons together or fighting over the remote control. Gay life partners don't fit into the statutory scheme designed to cover inheritance in the absence of a will, but then neither does the best friend who your parents always thought of like another son.

Ultra Peanut

03-09-2006, 03:05 PM

Gay marriage isn't a different water fountain. That's true. They don't even get a ****ing water fountain.

Cochise

03-09-2006, 03:05 PM

This thread makes baby Heath Ledger cry.

listopencil

03-09-2006, 04:52 PM

That's true. They don't even get a ****ing water fountain.

Maybe we could come up with a plan for a "seperate but equal" institution. It would be like marriage, only different. You know what I'm saying, UP. Keep 'em segregated.

Reaper16

03-09-2006, 05:24 PM

Mr. Kotter

03-09-2006, 10:29 PM

I'm always amazed when I think on the fact that my parents, hell, a number of posters on this board for that matter, were alive when black Americans were denied equal rights.

That's seriously amazing to me; that really, our nation is not that far away from the point where blacks were denied entrance into white restaurants and white movie theaters. We're still a nation struggling with our diversity, with citizens that don't want to acknowledge that people different than us should be treated the same.

THAT'S your whole problem: you are equating discrimination based on a genetic condition, with a lifestyle that is, at best, a behavioral predispostition that is greatly influenced by conditioning and other sociological factors (according to a significant body of research.)

Though the research is far from conclusive (despite the claims of the gay rights folks,) most reputable researchers (who haven't been brainwashed by political correctness and intellectual gymnastics) concede it is pretty clearly a complex mix of nature AND nurture. It is more akin to alcoholism or other sociopathic conditions, than race or gender. In a phrase, you are comparing apples to beer.

|Zach|

03-09-2006, 10:39 PM

Though the research is far from conclusive (despite the claims of the gay rights folks,) most reputable researchers (who haven't been brainwashed by political correctness and intellectual gymnastics)
Alot of times you throw away stuff that doesn't align with what you think with tripe like this. Just say'n.

Because if something goes the other way it must be brainwashing or political gymnastics right?

Mr. Kotter

03-09-2006, 10:49 PM

Alot of times you throw away stuff that doesn't align with what you think with tripe like this. Just say'n.

I do when the credibility of those who are making proclamations are tainted by irrational and emotional arguments. FTR, the conservatives in this debate are also subject to going off the deep end, and ignoring the entire body of research--selectively choosing what ever suits their beliefs.

However, I spent two years and literally hundreds of hours, pouring over the research as a part of our church denomination's "sexuality study" that proposed to ordain gay ministers and recognize gay unions. The study concluded last year, in a very ambiguous fashion: maintaining the status quo (no changes), but allowing individual congregations discretion to determine for themselves their local policy. It was a cop-out, and left the door open for the "losing" side to "try again" later.

The fact of the matter is, the research, despite claims--by anyone on either side--is far from conclusive, and seems very much headed toward the position that I've stated: homosexuality is pretty clearly a complex mix of nature AND nurture, and is more akin to alcoholism or other sociopathic conditions than it is gender or race.

Reaper16

03-09-2006, 10:50 PM

THAT'S your whole problem: you are equating discrimination based on a genetic condition, with a lifestyle that is, at best, a behavioral predispostition that is greatly influenced by conditioning and other sociological factors (according to a significant body of research.)

Though the research is far from conclusive (despite the claims of the gay rights folks,) most reputable researchers (who haven't been brainwashed by political correctness and intellectual gymnastics) concede it is pretty clearly a complex mix of nature AND nurture. It is more akin to alcoholism or other sociopathic conditions, than race or gender. In a phrase, you are comparing apples to beer.
Give me God damned break with that. Aren't we all, at some level, influenced by both nature and nurture? If that's who they are, then how is it a lifestyle? Lifestyle designates a choice in the matter. I don't think you know many gay people, much less are friends with any.

I'd like to see people deny homosexuals thier equality to thier faces. What one believes is their perogative, but I can't imagine many people being able to say "You are less of a person than I am" directly to them.

Wait....it's like alcoholsim? Really? So, like alcholics, gay people can enter a faith based support group to be fixed of being gay? Through the grace of God, gays can stop being addicted to thier attraction to the same sex?

Color me legitamtely dissapointed and disgusted.

Mr. Kotter

03-09-2006, 10:58 PM

Give me God damned break with that. Aren't we all, at some level, influenced by both nature and nurture? If that's who they are, then how is it a lifestyle? Lifestyle designates a choice in the matter. I don't think you know many gay people, much less are friends with any.

I'd like to see people deny homosexuals their equality to their faces. What one believes is their prerogative, but I can't imagine many people being able to say "You are less of a person than I am" directly to them.

Wait....it's like alcoholsim? Really? So, like alcholics, gay people can enter a faith based support group to be fixed of being gay? Through the grace of God, gays can stop being addicted to thier attraction to the same sex?

Color me legitamtely dissapointed and disgusted.

Please, spare me the melodrama :rolleyes:
(drama, I can take; melodrama, yuck....)

Once again, you are wrong. I'm a teacher for heaven's sake. ROFL

Of course, I work with several (6-7 I can think of, off the top of my head) gay people, and I have the same sort of relationships with them that I have with straight colleagues. The difference between them and the activists pushing this agenda is they live their lives, do their jobs, pay taxes, and participate in the city volleyball league....and you'd never even know they are gay.

That is, UNTIL you become friends with them....and then, because it's not an issue to them....guess what? It's not an issue to me either....:shrug:

:)

Reaper16

03-09-2006, 11:02 PM

Please, spare me the melodrama :rolleyes:
(drama, I can take; melodrama, yuck....)

Once again, you are wrong. I'm a teacher for heaven's sake. ROFL

Of course, I work with several (6-7 I can think of, off the top of my head) gay people, and I have the same sort of relationships with them that I have with straight colleagues. The difference between them and the activists pushing this agenda is they live their lives, do their jobs, pay taxes, and participate in the city volleyball league....and you'd never even know they are gay.

That is, UNTIL you become friends with them....and then, because it's not an issue to them....guess what? It's not an issue to me either....:shrug:

:)
It was much more me being pissed off than being melodramatic, but I feel better after your last post.

That still doesn't give me any sense of understanding of your description of homosexuality as like alcoholism.

Mr. Kotter

03-09-2006, 11:12 PM

It was much more me being pissed off than being melodramatic, but I feel better after your last post.

That still doesn't give me any sense of understanding of your description of homosexuality as like alcoholism.

Alcoholism seems to have a physical and genetic predisposition, that can be influenced greatly, one way or another, by sociological factors and events during the life of a person. Brain research is suggesting the same thing for violent criminals.....that a "predisposition" (nature) can have a wide variety of outcomes, depending on specific sociological factors and events (nurture.) Research on homosexuality seems to suggest that it is much more like that, than a predominately genetic condition.

For example, I have a highly addictive personality. If I had experienced poor self-esteem, poor role models, lack of "normal" psychosocial development during my formative years, it could have left me extremely vulnerable to alcoholism, drug addiction, gambling, or sex addictions, for example. However, sociological factors and events led me down a more moderate path. I have to fight it, constantly; but the self-awareness and self-control that were socialized into my being.....help me, for the moment anyway, to avoid particularly destructive choices.

ChiefsPlanet, is my main addiction--although a couple of others tempt me, on occasion. I'll live with that, I guess. :shrug:

Lurch

03-10-2006, 10:59 AM

Nothing they do affects our lives. Leave them alone. Who really gives a damn how people get their rocks off?

Reaper16

03-10-2006, 11:04 AM

Alcoholism seems to have a physical and genetic predisposition, that can be influenced greatly, one way or another, by sociological factors and events during the life of a person. Brain research is suggesting the same thing for violent criminals.....that a "predisposition" (nature) can have a wide variety of outcomes, depending on specific sociological factors and events (nurture.) Research on homosexuality seems to suggest that it is much more like that, than a predominately genetic condition.

For example, I have a highly addictive personality. If I had experienced poor self-esteem, poor role models, lack of "normal" psychosocial development during my formative years, it could have left me extremely vulnerable to alcoholism, drug addiction, gambling, or sex addictions, for example. However, sociological factors and events led me down a more moderate path. I have to fight it, constantly; but the self-awareness and self-control that were socialized into my being.....help me, for the moment anyway, to avoid particularly destructive choices.

ChiefsPlanet, is my main addiction--although a couple of others tempt me, on occasion. I'll live with that, I guess. :shrug:
That does make a lot of sense. But can homosexuals "go sober" and be corrected of thier "problem" like alcoholics? Or does the comparison end with the common trait of beign influenced by both nature and nurture?

|Zach|

03-10-2006, 11:11 AM

Nothing they do affects our lives. Leave them alone. Who really gives a damn how people get their rocks off?
This really sums it up for me.

Ultra Peanut

03-10-2006, 07:38 PM

Nothing they do affects our lives. Leave them alone. Who really gives a damn how people get their rocks off?But... but... wouldn't two gay people getting married make the world implode?

patteeu

03-11-2006, 09:10 AM

That's true. They don't even get a ****ing water fountain.

The more appropriate water fountain analogy would be if we had a small group of people who were demanding drinking fountains that dispensed chocolate milk because they didn't like water. It wouldn't matter that people were free to choose water or chocolate milk in the privacy of their own homes or at the drive-thru window at a restaraunt. This small group of people would demand the convenience of free chocolate milk dispensed at drinking fountains anywhere water is similarly available. Is it fair to discriminate against people who don't like water but who really like chocolate milk?

Claythan

03-11-2006, 09:59 AM

Nothing they do affects our lives. Leave them alone. Who really gives a damn how people get their rocks off?

That is false. These gay homo queers are trying to assault my ass at every street corner. I have taken to using teflon buttlugs to ward off their attacks. It is a scary world out there and the fags are the agressors.

Sully

03-11-2006, 10:01 AM

The more appropriate water fountain analogy would be if we had a small group of people who were demanding drinking fountains that dispensed chocolate milk because they didn't like water. It wouldn't matter that people were free to choose water or chocolate milk in the privacy of their own homes or at the drive-thru window at a restaraunt. This small group of people would demand the convenience of free chocolate milk dispensed at drinking fountains anywhere water is similarly available. Is it fair to discriminate against people who don't like water but who really like chocolate milk?
I couldn't disagree more with this analogy.

Lurch

03-11-2006, 02:11 PM

I couldn't disagree more with this analogy.

Why?

Water is sustenance. Chocolate Milk is not.

Water is to democracy, as chocolate milk is to the nanny state.

Heh.

patteeu

03-11-2006, 04:07 PM

I couldn't disagree more with this analogy.

Aside from sexual preferences typically being much stronger than preferences for water vs. chocolate milk, what do you disagree with? And remember, I'm not saying it's a perfect analogy, I'm saying it's better than the segregated drinking fountain analogy that was offered by ultra peanut.

Gays aren't prohibited from entering into marriage under out current laws (drinking from the current water fountains), it's just that they don't want to marry people of the opposite sex (don't want to drink water).

Gays aren't prohibited from forming committed partnerships and behaving as though they are married (making their own chocolate milk at home) nor are they unable to create a legal environment that mimics heterosexual marriage in most ways through the use of legal devices like contracts, wills, powers of attorney, living wills, durable powers of attorney (getting chocolate milk at a restaurant drive-thru). Admittedly, these alternatives to heterosexual marriage (free H2O drinking fountains located everywhere) are far more inconvenient and costly (chocolate milk is only available at restaraunts and it isn't offered for free).

FWIW, I'm in favor of gay marriage, but I find it somewhat offensive to hear people claim that government sponsored marriage (gay or straight) is a right or to hear people compare the plight of homosexuals today with that of blacks during the days of official racism in America.

Sully

03-11-2006, 05:17 PM

Pat,
That's kinda my point.
Sure, they can, but since we societally don't approve of the way in which a certain section of the people drink their choc milk, we make them jump through hoops to get it, while we make it as easy as possible for those we aren't "disgusted" by (sort of, installing fountains for them). In the end, they will be drinking what they want, but to say they have the same access is incorrect.