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Mr. Laz
03-08-2006, 01:04 PM
Posted on Wed, Mar. 08, 2006

Report alleges manipulation

Natural gas prices attacked

By STEVE EVERLY and DAVID GOLDSTEIN

The Kansas City Star

WASHINGTON — Consumers nationwide are being overcharged about $5 billion a month for natural gas because the price is vulnerable to manipulation and speculation, according to a report released Tuesday.

The report, issued by the attorneys general of Missouri, Iowa, Illinois and Wisconsin, said a dramatic increase in gas trading in loosely regulated financial markets was behind much of the increase in prices. And that has cost families who heat with gas hundreds of dollars this winter, though it has been warmer than normal.

The gas industry contends that supply and demand — especially disruptions caused by hurricanes and an early cold snap — accounted for the rising prices.

But that is “at best a half truth,” the report said.

Gas consumption was actually down 5 percent, the report noted, and there was sufficient gas already stored to ride out the supply disruptions.

“It’s stunningly annoying to sit here and have to literally say the moon is not made of green cheese,” Missouri Attorney General Jay Nixon said at a news conference in Washington. “Supply and demand did not cause the spikes.

”Regulation of energy trading is lax and often nonexistent, the report said. Iowa Attorney General Tom Miller is scheduled to testify at a Senate hearing next week on oil and gas prices. He and his colleagues, all Democrats, seek legislation to tighten oversight of the natural gas markets.

The report resulted from a six-month study involving the attorneys general aided by Washington energy analyst Mark Cooper, who is also director of research for the Consumer Federation of America.

Despite a warm winter, heating bills in the Midwest are expected to be up roughly $250 per household — 28 percent. And that’s on top of increases in recent years. Heating bills this winter are more than $600 higher than five years ago.

Without changes, the report said, consumers are likely to continue to pay more than they should.

“Hundreds of billions of dollars are at stake,” the report said.

The scrutiny comes at the end of a winter in which even seasoned observers were stunned by the volatility in gas prices. Wholesale gas prices closed Tuesday at $6.52 per thousand cubic feet. But they soared above $15 in December before beginning their decline.

Sandy Crockett, a spokeswoman for the Natural Gas Supply Association, attributed the recent prices to “unprecedented and massive supply disruptions” in the Gulf of Mexico during Hurricanes Katrina and Rita.

“Both the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission have, in fact, concluded that this winter’s price fluctuations were entirely consistent with market fundamentals at that time,” she said in a written statement.

Separately, the Government Accountability Office issued a preliminary report last month and attributed much of the problem to gas production that was near capacity and the inability to increase imports. The federal agency, however, hedged its bets by saying there could have been other reasons, including manipulation of the markets. It expects to make a final report later this year.

The report Tuesday by the attorneys general said that supply and demand could not account for the record high prices. Though demand for natural gas used by electric utilities is up, overall U.S. demand for natural gas has been nearly flat, the report said.The report also noted that gas supplies had been steady and that the amount of gas in storage was higher than last winter.The report said that the perception that there was a big problem, coupled with a flood of speculative investors, drove natural gas prices up, causing consumers’ energy bills to soar.

“It’s something like the wild, wild West in terms of trading,” said Miller, the Iowa attorney general.

The Commodity Futures Trading Commission, an independent agency, has regulatory oversight over gas-contract trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange. But it has no authority over over-the-counter trading in natural gas contracts unless fraud is involved, a commission spokesman said, and reporting of over-the-counter transactions is not required.

In some cases, the report said, natural gas is traded as much as 30 times before it is consumed, and the influx of traders into energy trading is making the volatility worse. The latest players going into energy trading are hedge funds, which are private investment groups.

Such trading is expected to grow.

Even some who think gas prices were too high this winter say that doesn’t necessarily mean prices were manipulated. The hurricanes did disrupt production, and in December, when prices soared, the weather was much colder than normal. So there were fears that supplies would be insufficient. Warmer weather caused those worries to dissipate, and prices began to decline, said James Williams, an analyst for WTRG Economics.

Some doubted Tuesday that any of the changes would happen. But in some quarters the report resonated.

Jeff Davis, chairman of the Missouri Public Service Commission, said there was no question that in the past there had been instances when energy prices were manipulated. It’s not something he can prove happened this winter, but it’s not something he would bet against either.

“Do I suspect it?” Davis said. “Yes, it’s entirely possible, and it’s something that needs to be looked at.”

Bwana
03-08-2006, 01:07 PM
It sucks, but comes as no big surprise.

Braincase
03-08-2006, 01:13 PM
Obligatory Halliburton Reference

morphius
03-08-2006, 01:46 PM
Add in the fact that it was a warm winter in most parts of the country, and do the math...

Mr. Kotter
03-08-2006, 02:09 PM
I'm a free market guy, for the most part.....but utility companies really need to regulated very tightly. Othewise, human nature and greed take over.... :shake:

Pitt Gorilla
03-08-2006, 02:12 PM
The free market cures all. Repeat.

ChiefsfaninPA
03-08-2006, 02:16 PM
I really doubt that the natural gas companies would gouge there customers. That would not be a good business practice.

Mr. Laz
03-08-2006, 02:27 PM
I really doubt that the natural gas companies would gouge there customers. That would not be a good business practice.
ROFLROFL


i got some property for sale ............

ChiefsfaninPA
03-08-2006, 02:29 PM
ROFLROFL


i got some property for sale ............


I would buy it but this nice fellow sold me this nice bridge in Brooklyn and a big White House down in D.C. so I am a little cash strapped now.

Hog Farmer
03-08-2006, 02:38 PM
My natural gas bill the last three months were$32,000 $35,000 and $34,500. 50% higher than last year and we've had a warm fuggin winter.

ChiefsfaninPA
03-08-2006, 02:41 PM
My natural gas bill the last three months were$32,000 $35,000 and $34,500. 50% higher than last year and we've had a warm fuggin winter.


Thats a lot for gas. Actually that is more than my salary.

Donger
03-08-2006, 02:50 PM
The report said that the perception that there was a big problem, coupled with a flood of speculative investors, drove natural gas prices up, causing consumers’ energy bills to soar.


Errr, what am I missing?

Anyway, this is more fun: " In EIA’s latest Short-Term Energy Outlook, released on March 7, EIA forecast that the national average retail price of regular gasoline will rise above $2.50 per gallon this driving season, or at least 17 cents per gallon above current prices."

HC_Chief
03-08-2006, 03:10 PM
My natural gas bill the last three months were$32,000 $35,000 and $34,500. 50% higher than last year and we've had a warm fuggin winter.

:spock:
Seriously? That's a lot of $. Why don't you convert that hog shit methane into energy? That's some highly combustable vapor

redhed
03-08-2006, 04:42 PM
Mudderfuggers tried some crap with my Mom's bill. Higher last month than the month before, yet it was warmer AND she was burning wood in the stove! They said they read the meter wrong and that was why it was so low the prev month. I told her to tell them she was going to dispute the charges. Then whaddaya know, a much lower bill the next time around. Fuggin' BS'n bastiges!!! :cuss:

Bob Dole
03-08-2006, 04:46 PM
Errr, what am I missing?

Anyway, this is more fun: " In EIA’s latest Short-Term Energy Outlook, released on March 7, EIA forecast that the national average retail price of regular gasoline will rise above $2.50 per gallon this driving season, or at least 17 cents per gallon above current prices."

Gasoline has risen more than 30 cents/gal here in the past 3 weeks.

On the plus side, Bob Dole's highest gas bill at the house this past winter was $102.

MOhillbilly
03-08-2006, 04:48 PM
My natural gas bill the last three months were$32,000 $35,000 and $34,500. 50% higher than last year and we've had a warm fuggin winter.


why dont you convert all that methane in pigshit? Or does the govt. subsidise your bill?

Donger
03-08-2006, 04:49 PM
Mudderfuggers tried some crap with my Mom's bill. Higher last month than the month before, yet it was warmer AND she was burning wood in the stove! They said they read the meter wrong and that was why it was so low the prev month. I told her to tell them she was going to dispute the charges. Then whaddaya know, a much lower bill the next time around. Fuggin' BS'n bastiges!!! :cuss:

I take pictures of my gas and electric meter every month on the day they claim to read them. I'd advise everyone to do the same.

Your meters, not mine, of course.

Donger
03-08-2006, 04:51 PM
Gasoline has risen more than 30 cents/gal here in the past 3 weeks.

On the plus side, Bob Dole's highest gas bill at the house this past winter was $102.

What's the present gasoline price?

Bob Dole
03-08-2006, 04:55 PM
What's the present gasoline price?

Most stations are $2.28-$2.29. Murphy Oil was $2.23 earlier today, but was $1.91 three weeks ago.

redbrian
03-08-2006, 04:56 PM
My highest gas bill this winter was $49 (as was my lowest, got to like that fixed fee).

Donger
03-08-2006, 04:59 PM
Most stations are $2.28-$2.29. Murphy Oil was $2.23 earlier today, but was $1.91 three weeks ago.

Wow. $1.91? That must have been nice while it lasted.

The national average is $2.34, so at least you're still under.

Bob Dole
03-08-2006, 05:02 PM
Wow. $1.91? That must have been nice while it lasted.

The national average is $2.34, so at least you're still under.

Bob Dole about shit himself when he noticed it had fallen under $2. Didn't figure the greedy bastards would ever let that happen again once they broke the barrier.

Price gouging mother****ers all around as far as Bob Dole can tell.

Donger
03-08-2006, 05:04 PM
My highest gas bill this winter was $49 (as was my lowest, got to like that fixed fee).

You're on an averaged bill? Be careful, some of those plans have a "settlement" month, where they can credit (yeah right) or charge you based on under-estimating your usage.

A friend of my wife was bragging about only paying about $60 a month for NG. She just got hit with a $450 settlement.

Donger
03-08-2006, 05:07 PM
Bob Dole about shit himself when he noticed it had fallen under $2. Didn't figure the greedy bastards would ever let that happen again once they broke the barrier.

Price gouging mother****ers all around as far as Bob Dole can tell.

I bet you'll be really pissed when you find out that that premium, 93 octane gas comes out of the same tank as regular grade.

Bob Dole
03-08-2006, 05:09 PM
I bet you'll be really pissed when you find out that that premium, 93 octane gas comes out of the same tank as regular grade.

Which would explain why the Wankel hasn't been running quite right lately and is spending tomorrow in the shop.

Skip Towne
03-08-2006, 05:15 PM
Which would explain why the Wankel hasn't been running quite right lately and is spending tomorrow in the shop.
A Jap car in the shop? Can't be.

Bob Dole
03-08-2006, 05:33 PM
A Jap car in the shop? Can't be.

Oh yeah. It and the Acura before it have been complete pieces of shit. :rolleyes:

Skip Towne
03-08-2006, 05:44 PM
Oh yeah. It and the Acura before it have been complete pieces of shit. :rolleyes:
I'm glad you're finally admitting it. BTW, you look just like Dense when you use that smiley. Did you know that if you google IBDHO about the third entry down will take you to a Chiefs Planet thread from 2001?