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Dave Lane
03-09-2006, 02:05 PM
You have to wonder whether Vince Young knows what job he's applying for, or if he even realizes that he is "applying" for a job.

Vince Young
Vince Young's got some things to learn if he's going to succeed in the NFL. (AP Photo/Tim Larsen)
The NFL doesn't recruit starting quarterbacks. It's not the Marines out looking for a few good men. When it comes to picking its quarterbacks, The League is Halle Berry on Oscar night. She can pick any designer she pleases, and the world's most renowned designers are just grateful for the opportunity to be considered.

Vince Young doesn't get this. He thinks joining the NFL will be similar to joining the NCAA. He mistakenly believes he's holding all (or most of) the cards, and that come April's draft some lucky GM is going to feel like a lottery winner when Vince Young stands next to Paul Tagliabue and pulls on a Saints or Texans or Titans cap.

Vince Young is clueless. And I'm not talking about his score on the Wonderlic test. I'm talking about his understanding of what it takes to make it in the NFL as a quarterback.

Humility is the No. 1 ingredient.

The most prestigious and most difficult job in all of sports -- NFL quarterback -- is played at a high level by the men willing to humble themselves and prepare like each Sunday is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

This isn't the NBA, and Young isn't Shaquille O'Neal. You don't get the first half of the season to play your way into shape. It's not Major League Baseball, and Young isn't Roger Clemens. You don't get to stay at home with your family on certain road trips.

This isn't the University of Texas, and Young is no longer able to rely on his superior athleticism and instincts to outduel his competitors.

Young's success in the NFL will hinge almost exclusively on his willingness to prepare. And that's exactly what Young's Wonderlic score and other curious decisions call into question -- his will to prepare and his level of humility.

The fact that Young had to take the Wonderlic twice in order to score a 16 is an indication to me that Young did not prepare for the test, particularly the first time. That speaks to Young's arrogance. So does his choice in representation and his decision to visit the president and the White House sans sports coat and tie.

Are you following me?

When you have a chance at being the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, securing a $25 million signing bonus and landing one of the 32 most important jobs in professional sports, you don't pick a family friend and local criminal defense attorney (Major Adams) to head up your campaign.

That's not keeping it real. It's foolish and arrogant. It raises questions about your decision-making and maturity.

Now, had Young wanted to give Major Adams a break, Young could've easily stipulated to any experienced potential agent that Adams work as co-counsel. A deal such as this would've provided Adams with a tremendous learning experience and protected Young's interest.

It would've given Team Vince, the loosely formed management posse representing Young, some much-needed professionalism. A seasoned agent might be able to explain to Young the difference between being an NFL quarterback and an NBA small forward.

Small forwards travel with posses decked out in white T's, bling bling and agents in sweat suits. NFL quarterbacks don't.

Vince Young
Young was on top of the world a couple months ago -- things have changed. (AP Photo/Paul Sakuma)
When Young hit radio row at Super Bowl XL with posse and Major Adams in tow, that was the first time I sensed that Young might not grasp that the rules are different for QBs and DBs. When I learned that the leader of Young's posse (and the man calling the real shots for Team Vince) is a longtime friend and Houston nightclub owner who goes by the nickname "Black," that's when I told a friend to keep an eye on Young's draft stock.

"It's gonna dip."

A starting NFL quarterback is the face of a billion-dollar corporation. He is one of the three or four highest-profile individuals in his city and perhaps in his state. His every move is cussed, discussed and analyzed by millions of people who don't have a clue about playing the position.

It's impossible to exaggerate just how much more important the NFL is than every other sport in this country. Vince Young foolishly thinks that the Texas Longhorns and Mack Brown are more important than the Houston Texans and Gary Kubiak. Young thinks playing USC for the national championship was real pressure.

Playing quarterback in the NFL is the equivalent of getting in the sack with Jenna Jameson. Oh, everybody wants to do it, but it can be an incredibly humbling and "short" experience.

Just ask Ryan Leaf or countless other can't-miss prospects. Michael Vick is in the process of getting humbled. He was supposed to reinvent the position. I don't believe the position will ever be reinvented. The guys who have consistent success will always be the guys who prepare the hardest.

Before any NFL owner gives Young a bunch of guaranteed dollars, the general manager better make sure Young is going to hit the film room and practice field just as hard as Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb and Tom Brady. The GM also should make sure that the head coach and offensive coordinator -- not some let's-hit-the-strip-clubs posse member -- have the ear of the quarterback.

Playing QB in The League is a different animal.

It's an honor. So far, Vince Young isn't treating it like an honor. He's treating it like it's his right, granted to him by an MVP performance in the Rose Bowl. You can be a fool and argue that Young proved all he needed to prove in Texas' upset of USC. Hmm. Didn't Redskins running back Tim Smith and Cowboys cornerback Larry Brown have big games on football's biggest stage and later prove to be frauds? And what don't people understand about the concept that NFL quarterbacks have to prove themselves week to week?

Right now Young is proving that he doesn't have the necessary intangibles to thrive as a starting QB. He carries himself like a wide receiver.

ChiefsfaninPA
03-09-2006, 02:12 PM
Wow, Whitlock actually wrote a good article. Man this kid has some growing up to do.

Chiefnj
03-09-2006, 02:12 PM
I wonder if Young can sue the NFL over what happened at the combine? There is a rumor out there that his wonderlic was mis-scored and he did not get a 6. That is why he was allowed to retake it and get his 16. I wonder if he could sue the NFL for damage to his reputation and draft stock for the leak of the misscored test result?

ChiefsfaninPA
03-09-2006, 02:15 PM
I wonder if Young can sue the NFL over what happened at the combine? There is a rumor out there that his wonderlic was mis-scored and he did not get a 6. That is why he was allowed to retake it and get his 16. I wonder if he could sue the NFL for damage to his reputation and draft stock for the leak of the misscored test result?

This is America. You can sue for anything.

Dave Lane
03-09-2006, 02:20 PM
I think he really did get a 6. No one ever well protested hard enough and said no it was a 10 or something. Maybe it was a 7. You know being that there are 50 questions and its multiple choice if you just answered A to everything you should get a 12 or 13 if you never even read the questions.

Dave

HC_Chief
03-09-2006, 02:22 PM
I doubt it affected his draft stock one bit. The kid is an athletic freak. Despite what Fatlock belched forth in this article, Young WILL be able to rely on his athleticism. He is fast, elusive, and has a strong arm.

I get what Fatlock is trying to say; but as usual he put himself in the spotlight, rather than the subject at hand (he's used to it... bloated gut leading his entrance into rooms by a good second or two). Is Vince Young MENTALLY prepared for the NFL? Probably not... but like all other players, he'll learn - or he'll fade away.

ck_IN
03-09-2006, 02:25 PM
I've wondered about Young after hearing him in an interview or two. The boy doesn't have too many brain cells to rub together. Or at least he comes off that way.

The only real difference between Manning and Leaf is what Manning does to prepare. One's out of the league and the other is on his way to the Hall. Young better screw his head on straight pretty quick.

bkkcoh
03-09-2006, 02:29 PM
I doubt it affected his draft stock one bit. The kid is an athletic freak. Despite what Fatlock belched forth in this article, Young WILL be able to rely on his athleticism. He is fast, elusive, and has a strong arm.

I get what Fatlock is trying to say; but as usual he put himself in the spotlight, rather than the subject at hand (he's used to it... bloated gut leading his entrance into rooms by a good second or two). Is Vince Young MENTALLY prepared for the NFL? Probably not... but like all other players, he'll learn - or he'll fade away.

It hasn't hurt M. Vick yet, he has gotten a pass in the time he has been in the league so far. I wouldn't be too surprised if this same type of thing doesn't happen to V Young........ :banghead:

HC_Chief
03-09-2006, 02:39 PM
It hasn't hurt M. Vick yet, he has gotten a pass in the time he has been in the league so far. I wouldn't be too surprised if this same type of thing doesn't happen to V Young........ :banghead:

Ugg, Vick is THE SINGLE most over-hyped player in NFL history. The dude is mediocre AT BEST. Sure he has a great arm and can run, but his work ethic is shit, he blames everyone but himself for failures, and he lives off of the ESPN ass-licker's hype machine.

Vince Young can be the next John Elway (except for the horse-face and the "waaaaah, I don't wanna play here, I'll go play baseball, waaaaah"), or the next Kordell Stewart. It all comes down to dedication and preparation. Personally I think he's off to a bad start - he hired his uncle, a middle-school teacher, to be his agent. That's as bad as hiring P-Diddy.

tk13
03-09-2006, 02:48 PM
I don't know, I think Young has been completely overrated ever since the national championship. I mean he can run, but I'm not even close to convinced he has enough accuracy downfield. That entire USC game he just took everything underneath. I think he has the potential to be totally overwhelmed by NFL defenses....

Dave Lane
03-09-2006, 02:53 PM
I think Vick and Young share the same parents. If we got Young at #20 I'd be thinking OMG I hope he's here to play WR.

Dave

Count Alex's Losses
03-09-2006, 02:53 PM
I'm not even close to convinced he has enough accuracy downfield. .

Dude, he completed near 70 percent of his passes as a senior, or close to it. I've seen highlights of him throwing downfield. He threw a 25-yard fade pattern into the endzone once that was perfectly thrown...OFF HIS BACK FOOT.

I think he has all the tools, but Whitlock may be right about what's upstairs.

tk13
03-09-2006, 03:00 PM
Dude, he completed near 70 percent of his passes as a senior, or close to it. I've seen highlights of him throwing downfield. He threw a 25-yard fade pattern into the endzone once that was perfectly thrown...OFF HIS BACK FOOT.

I think he has all the tools, but Whitlock may be right about what's upstairs.
That's fine, I just don't think he's gonna be that accurate downfield facing NFL pressure. He threw his fair share of wobbly ducks too. Don't go off highlights. Going off highlights is what got Derrick Johnson to drop to 15th last year.

stevieray
03-09-2006, 03:00 PM
How do go through college and get that low of a wonderlic score?

Dave Lane
03-09-2006, 03:02 PM
Dude, he completed near 70 percent of his passes as a senior, or close to it. I've seen highlights of him throwing downfield. He threw a 25-yard fade pattern into the endzone once that was perfectly thrown...OFF HIS BACK FOOT.

I think he has all the tools, but Whitlock may be right about what's upstairs.

Ryan Leaf was even more impressive with his throws. Whats upstairs is #1 for QB

Dave

Skip Towne
03-09-2006, 03:03 PM
How do go through college and get that low of a wonderlic score?
They go to college?

bkkcoh
03-09-2006, 03:10 PM
How do go through college and get that low of a wonderlic score?


He is a jock....... nuff said...

Ultra Peanut
03-09-2006, 03:10 PM
Wow, Big Sexy. Welcome to last month.

bkkcoh
03-09-2006, 03:11 PM
How do go through college and get that low of a wonderlic score?


He is a jock....... nuff said...


Ryan Leaf, quarterback 27 , it did a world of good for him. didn't it...

Dave Lane
03-09-2006, 03:12 PM
He is a jock....... nuff said...


Ryan Leaf, quarterback 27 , it did a world of good for him. didn't it...


Thats low for a QB it was a hint...

Dave

Cormac
03-09-2006, 03:18 PM
I think Vince Young is nailed on to be worse than Vick. I think his accuracy is horrible and his delivery is too. Leinart is head and shoulders above him as an NFL prospect, IMO.

HC_Chief
03-09-2006, 03:19 PM
Leinart is head and shoulders above him as an NFL prospect, IMO.

No doubt about that. VY would be third on my list this year. He has a ton of potential; that makes him a tempting pick.

bkkcoh
03-09-2006, 03:20 PM
Adam Cox, quarterback 43
Alex Smith, quarterback 40
Brian Griese, quarterback 39
Eli Manning, quarterback 39
Akili Smith, quarterback 37 (suspected of cheating; scored 15 on first attempt)
Matt Leinart, quarterback 35
Tom Brady, quarterback 33
Steve Young, quarterback 33
John Elway, quarterback 30
Troy Aikman, quarterback 29
Peyton Manning, quarterback 28
Ryan Leaf, quarterback 27
Ben Roethlisberger, quarterback 25
Hugh Millen, quarterback 24
David Carr, quarterback 24
Brett Favre, quarterback 22
Michael Vick, quarterback 20
Vinny Testaverde, quarterback 18
Antwaan Randle El, wide receiver (former college quarterback) 17
Aaron Brooks, quarterback 16
Dan Marino, quarterback 16
Vince Young, quarterback 16 (previously rumored to have scored 6)[1]
Randall Cunningham, quarterback 15
Donovan McNabb, quarterback 12
Jeff George, quarterback 10

Ultra Peanut
03-09-2006, 03:24 PM
Jeff George, quarterback 10The irony is delicious.

Scaga
03-09-2006, 03:26 PM
I guess if Young doesn't make it as a QB, he can always fall back on writing for the Star.

Chiefnj
03-09-2006, 03:39 PM
On the draft board a few weeks ago I posted that I heard that the coaching staff stopped asking Young to try to read defenses, etc., because he couldn't. I had heard that the longhorns playbook was:

a. run. Where Young could simply hand off.

or

b. Pass. Where Young was given no more than 2 hot, easy to see reads and if the receivers were covered, then he was to immediately run.

No audibles, no reading the defense, no changing plays, no checking down receivers, he wasn't supposed to buy time for receivers to get open, etc.

If you can run a pro offense that way he'll shine.

FAX
03-09-2006, 03:43 PM
Herm can take that raw talent and, with time, develop him into a Grbak with a run threat, I am sure. Defenses beware.

I think I'd rather see us draft one of the Turkish all fours walking persons as a down lineman project.

FAX

Dave Lane
03-09-2006, 03:50 PM
Herm can take that raw talent and, with time, develop him into a Grbak with a run threat, I am sure. Defenses beware.

I think I'd rather see us draft one of the Turkish all fours walking persons as a down lineman project.

FAX


Or at least a Down Syndrome person...

Dave

jidar
03-09-2006, 04:48 PM
I doubt it affected his draft stock one bit. The kid is an athletic freak. Despite what Fatlock belched forth in this article, Young WILL be able to rely on his athleticism. He is fast, elusive, and has a strong arm.



I doubt it. Athleticism alone isn't going to get it done in the NFL for the QB position, hell this is true at most positions. The NFL is an entire league of genetic freaks, it's a whole different level than college. The best college teams in the country only have a handful of guys who have a shot at playing in the NFL, let alone starting.

When VY gets to the NFL he's going to feel like he has lead feet because all of those guys he was previously out running and out muscling are going to be catching him and throwing him down. Sure he will still make plays, but if he wants to be good he's going to have to work extremely hard at it, just like every other great player.

58-4ever
03-09-2006, 04:56 PM
How do go through college and get that low of a wonderlic score?

It's UT man! Tuck Fexas!

geronimo
03-09-2006, 07:50 PM
as much as i hated reading this article, i will concede that at a minimum whitlock has raised some valid concerns. young is certainly not taking the safe/conservative route to the nfl. its possible that his decisions might negatively impact his draft day value. if i was making the decision, he would be my choice over everyone on the board in spite of the non-football stuff. he is a winner and that's the most important thing to me. it doesn't hurt that he is very athletic. i'm skeptical of the concerns about his iq. i think we're seeing the opinion (or maybe wishful thinking) pendulum swing back towards the good ole days when quarterbacks were good ole boys and eveyone else on the field stood in attention when they rolled onto the field. you guys are funny b/c i know that if we (the chiefs) had even any possible chance of getting young, most of you would be singing a different tune.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-16-2007, 02:50 PM
Bump....although I still think VY has a soph. slump next year.

Bill Parcells
01-16-2007, 02:56 PM
Bump....although I still think VY has a soph. slump next year.
He might very well be Michael Vick Part doo Raiduhs

Fatlock May be right

FringeNC
01-16-2007, 02:57 PM
I don't know how Tennessee was winning all those games. They were #27 in offense, #32 in defense, and Vince Young had a QB rating in the 60s.

Rausch
01-16-2007, 02:59 PM
Ding! Fwies ur done!

Mr. Laz
01-16-2007, 03:33 PM
didn't Vick have a great 1st year too?

Simplex3
01-16-2007, 03:42 PM
didn't Vick have a great 1st year too?
Yeah. It takes a year for everyone to get some film on a physical freak like that, but once you have it you know his weaknesses and he refuses to acknowledge them, just like Ron.

tk13
01-16-2007, 03:54 PM
I don't know how Tennessee was winning all those games. They were #27 in offense, #32 in defense, and Vince Young had a QB rating in the 60s.
Turnovers. They always seemed to be able to get turnovers at the right times. By my count, they were something like +9 turnover differential in just the games Vince Young started... -4 in the games Kerry Collins started. And that includes the last blowout of the season where the Pats crushed the Titans and forced 3 turnovers. You take that away and you see they pretty much dominated the turnover category during their hot streak... even the 1 point losses to Indy and Baltimore, they won the turnover battle.

NaptownChief
01-16-2007, 04:13 PM
Yeah. It takes a year for everyone to get some film on a physical freak like that, but once you have it you know his weaknesses and he refuses to acknowledge them, just like Ron.


Krydell was virtually worthless after they had a little film on him and realized that you didn't have to respect the pass at all. Young has a long way to go and could end up like Mexico and Krydell but he definitely has a better chance to become a good passer than Mexico.

Mr. Laz
01-16-2007, 04:14 PM
Yeah. It takes a year for everyone to get some film on a physical freak like that, but once you have it you know his weaknesses and he refuses to acknowledge them, just like Ron.
yea ... i pretty much a firm believer in the fact that a QB must be a passer first.

1. passer first
2. smart enough to adjust


i still don't know that Vince Young can do either

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-16-2007, 06:11 PM
What is amazing to me is McNabb's wonderlic...A F*CKING 10?! Jesus, what a f*cking dumbass.

FringeNC
01-16-2007, 06:37 PM
Krydell was virtually worthless after they had a little film on him and realized that you didn't have to respect the pass at all. Young has a long way to go and could end up like Mexico and Krydell but he definitely has a better chance to become a good passer than Mexico.

Regarding Kordell, you never know what type of film they may have had on him...

MichaelH
01-16-2007, 07:19 PM
Could Young be the new Michael Vick? Lots of athletic ability and no IQ. Next season will tell.