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Frankie
03-11-2006, 10:29 AM
Here it is. For years I've been pointing out your positives to the fans who mercilessly accuse you of everything bad about the Chiefs. No, I've never been a devoted fan of yours. But not a dedicated foe either. There have been bonehead decisions on your part that to this day rub me the wrong way. Giving big contracts to Dan Williams and expensive extensions to some deadbeat Chiefs players have hurt our cap numbers needlessly long term. Stupid reaches in the first and/or second rounds of some drafts, just to show us you know better than all of us definitely slowed the roster building of the Chiefs and allowed the good players to get dangerously close to retirement age while getting no support from the rest of the cast for a legitimate SuperBowl run. Oh there are other things I can point out but, in the interest of fairness, I have to mention some of your good stuff too. Your very first signing in the Free Agency era was a genius one. Some little known back up DT from Detroit went on to have a pretty nice career in KC. One Danny Saleamua. Some of your other draft picks (especially in the later rounds) have surprisingly outplayed the expectations. You and DV took a lot of sh*t in his first year about the Rams fiasco concerning Trent and DV. But you stood your ground and came out of it shining brightly. At the same time you signed this obscure backup RB by the name of Priest something or other. Then a couple of years later, against all apparent logic, you drafted LJ. I, like most, was all against it. Now I'm a convert.

Long story short, I have tried to keep a fair opinion of you as neither Satan nor God in NFL terms. Two years ago, you stood pat in the off season thinking with Gun and the same old 'D' players we would do well. We all saw what happened. You, Mr Peterson, are now showing every sign of not having learned anything from that mistake. Now, apparently you have indicated that you would stay pat again in this offseason full of enticing FAs. Some of them are exact fits for the holes in our team. Please tell us it's just your devious posturing to throw other teams off the scent. Now, apparently you have money under the cap. If we the fans who have perched on the fence about you sit and watch, in horror and frustration, Denver and other teams devour all this available talent we too will jump off to the other side and join forces with the vocal fans asking for your stepping down. We will keep pestering the Hunts relentlessly until we drive the point in. No threat. Just a crystall ball forecast. We've had our fill of frustrations and the cup has about runneth over.

Frankie
03-11-2006, 10:35 AM
OK I tried to change the header and came up with a hybrid of the two sentenses. Mods please change "puttin'" to "put" and save me from embarassement. :redface:

ck_IN
03-11-2006, 10:38 AM
Interesting read.

I'm a CP basher but I don't view him as evil. Just as not particularly competent. He's a middle of the road GM who keeps the seats full and money in Lamar's pockets. Apparently thats enough for Lamar so we fans just have to deal with it and with CP.

Mr. Kotter
03-11-2006, 10:39 AM
OK I tried to change the header and came up with a hybrid of the too sentences. Mods please change "puttin'" to "put" and save me from embarassement. :redface:

"putin" adds panache to it.....;)

You paid my royalties for the copyrighted "OK" thread starter, I presume.... :harumph:

Sure-Oz
03-11-2006, 10:40 AM
"I appreciate your thoughts frankie, but im rich and don't give a shit, you still pay high prices on tickets and concessions so i dont have to add to the team, but continue to support the chiefs."

Carl Petershunnnnn

Mr. Laz
03-11-2006, 10:47 AM
"I appreciate your thoughts frankie, but im rich and don't give a shit, you still pay high prices on tickets and concessions so i dont have to add to the team, but continue to support the chiefs."

Carl Petershunnnnn
ROFL yep

RedThat
03-11-2006, 11:08 AM
Here it is. For years I've been pointing out your positives to the fans who mercilessly accuse you of everything bad about the Chiefs. No, I've never been a devoted fan of yours. But not a dedicated foe either. There have been bonehead decisions on your part that to this day rubs me the wrong way. Giving big contracts to Dan Williams and expensive extensions to some deadbeat Chiefs players have hurt our cap numbers needlessly long term. Stupid reaches in the first and/or second rounds of some drafts, just to show us you know better than all of us definitely slowed the roster building of the Chiefs and allowed the good players to get dangerously close to retirement age while getting no support from the rest of the cast for a legitimate SuperBowl run. Oh there are other things I can point out but, in the interest of fairness, I have to mention some of your good stuff too. Your very first signing in the Free Agency era was a genius one. Some little known back up DT from Detroit went on to have a pretty nice career in KC. One Danny Saleamua. Some of your other draft picks (especially in the later rounds) have surprisingly outplayed the expectations. You and DV took a lot of sh*t in his first year about the Rams fiasco concerning Trent and DV. But you stood your ground and came out of it shining brightly. At the same time you signed this obscure backup RB by the name of Priest something or other. Then a couple of years later, against all apparent logic, you drafted LJ. I, like most, was all against it. Now I'm a convert.

Long story short, I have tried to keep a fair opinion of you as neither Satan nor God in NFL terms. Two years ago, you stood pat in the off season thinking with Gun and the same old 'D' players we would do well. We all saw what happened. You, Mr Peterson, are now showing every sign of not having learned anything from that mistake. Now, apparently you have indicated that you would stay pat again in this offseason full of enticing FAs. Some of them are exact fits for the holes in our team. Please tell us it's just your devious posturing to throw other teams off the scent. Now, apparently you have money under the cap. If we the fans who have perched on the fence about you sit and watch, in horror and frustration, Denver and other teams devour all this available talent we too will jump off to the other side and join forces with the vocal fans asking for your stepping down. We will keep pestering the Hunts relentlessly until we drive the point in. No threat. Just a crystall ball forecast. We've had our fill of frustrations and the cup has about runneth over.


:clap: Nice post.

I have a lot of admiration and respect on the fact that you came out here and voiced your opinion. It is appreciated. Please understand, Im not Carl Peterson or Lamar Hunt, Im the fan next to you who is just as upset with the way this organization is ran.

I would like to comment on your post. And I just wanna say that I agree with most of the things you say there, however, I think your directly pointing the finger at Carl Peterson. It's not just Carl, you have to switch the finger and point it at Lamar imo. I say this because Im just trying to be logical. It all starts from the top. when you're running a successful business and organization, the main guy that should be responsible for results is the CEO. It all starts and stops with him. He calls the SHOTS. When your owner doesn't want to spend money, what can you do? you can't blame the general manager. Lamar is just being tight with his wallet. The general manager is limited in that sense. All Carl Peterson can do is speak on behalf of Hunt and address to the public(media) the direction the team is going. And if he takes his share of punches and kicks, well, that's part of his job. It goes with it.

Hunt is the guy ultimately responsible for signing and dating the cheques for every guy that comes in here. I hold him accountable for the result of inactivity in FA. We do this every other year to no surprise. It gets us nothing. All it has got us, is mediocrity. He seems content with that. If he can manage to fill the seats and produce average product on the field. What does he care? he is making money and that is all that matters to him.

*I have a lot of admiration and respect for Lamar Hunt as a business man. I also honour the man for his past accomplishments, and rewards for what he has done for the league. However, I question his desire to win. I question his ability as an owner. I think Hunt prioritizes money first before team. I REALLY don't think Lamar Hunt is a good owner. Or even cares about putting together a good team, and making a run at a championship. Being a fan of the Chiefs is one thing, I understand the business aspect of sports, but there is also a humanitarian side to sports too. And that is rewarding your fans with an excellent product on the field. Having that thrilling feeling of seeing YOUR team win thanks in large part to the ownership and the guys that assembled the product together. Hunt has failed to do that. Miserably.

milkman
03-11-2006, 11:16 AM
I would like to comment on your post. And I just wanna say that I agree with most of the things you say there, however, I think your directly pointing the finger at Carl Peterson. It's not just Carl, you have to switch the finger and point it at Lamar imo. I say this because Im just trying to be logical. It all starts from the top. when you're running a successful business and organization, the main guy that should be responsible for results is the CEO. It all starts and stops with him. He calls the SHOTS. When your owner doesn't want to spend money, what can you do? you can't blame the general manager. Lamar is just being tight with his wallet. The general manager is limited in that sense. All Carl Peterson can do is speak on behalf of Hunt and address to the public(media) the direction the team is going. And if he takes his share of punches and kicks, well, that's part of his job. It goes with it.

The fact that the Chiefs have to find ways to get under the cap on an annual basis refutes that "logic".

Lamar spends the money.
This whole Lamar is cheap allegation is beyond stupid.

The problem isn't a cheap owener, cheap GM, or a cheap organization.

The problem is the money isn't spent wisely.

CrazyHorse
03-11-2006, 11:21 AM
Here it is. For years I've been pointing out your positives to the fans who mercilessly accuse you of everything bad about the Chiefs. No, I've never been a devoted fan of yours. But not a dedicated foe either. There have been bonehead decisions on your part that to this day rubs me the wrong way. Giving big contracts to Dan Williams and expensive extensions to some deadbeat Chiefs players have hurt our cap numbers needlessly long term. Stupid reaches in the first and/or second rounds of some drafts, just to show us you know better than all of us definitely slowed the roster building of the Chiefs and allowed the good players to get dangerously close to retirement age while getting no support from the rest of the cast for a legitimate SuperBowl run. Oh there are other things I can point out but, in the interest of fairness, I have to mention some of your good stuff too. Your very first signing in the Free Agency era was a genius one. Some little known back up DT from Detroit went on to have a pretty nice career in KC. One Danny Saleamua. Some of your other draft picks (especially in the later rounds) have surprisingly outplayed the expectations. You and DV took a lot of sh*t in his first year about the Rams fiasco concerning Trent and DV. But you stood your ground and came out of it shining brightly. At the same time you signed this obscure backup RB by the name of Priest something or other. Then a couple of years later, against all apparent logic, you drafted LJ. I, like most, was all against it. Now I'm a convert.

Long story short, I have tried to keep a fair opinion of you as neither Satan nor God in NFL terms. Two years ago, you stood pat in the off season thinking with Gun and the same old 'D' players we would do well. We all saw what happened. You, Mr Peterson, are now showing every sign of not having learned anything from that mistake. Now, apparently you have indicated that you would stay pat again in this offseason full of enticing FAs. Some of them are exact fits for the holes in our team. Please tell us it's just your devious posturing to throw other teams off the scent. Now, apparently you have money under the cap. If we the fans who have perched on the fence about you sit and watch, in horror and frustration, Denver and other teams devour all this available talent we too will jump off to the other side and join forces with the vocal fans asking for your stepping down. We will keep pestering the Hunts relentlessly until we drive the point in. No threat. Just a crystall ball forecast. We've had our fill of frustrations and the cup has about runneth over.

You could always be a Redskins fan.

Sincerely,
Carl Peterson

TEX
03-11-2006, 11:28 AM
The King's boss has allot to do with the every-other-year free agent acquisition strategy. That's the reason why when Carl siad,"The buck stops here" a few yeras ago when the Chiefs stood pat, and that decision totally backfired (as most everyone predicted) He knew that since it was a planned decision, he wouldn't suffer any consequences. He was simply falling on the grenade so to speak.

TEX
03-11-2006, 11:29 AM
You could always be a Redskins fan.

Sincerely,
Carl Peterson

Well at least they try EVERY year.

Frankie
03-11-2006, 11:32 AM
"putin" adds panache to it.....;)

You paid my royalties for the copyrighted "OK" thread starter, I presume.... :harumph:
Then the mod should changs "to" to "for." OK with you?

FAX
03-11-2006, 11:32 AM
I'm not so sure that the Chiefs will stand pat this year.

After coming on as HC, one would think that HE would ask CP for some FA's and that it would be hard for CP and LH to say NO.

FAX

RedThat
03-11-2006, 11:37 AM
The fact that the Chiefs have to find ways to get under the cap on an annual basis refutes that "logic".

Lamar spends the money.
This whole Lamar is cheap allegation is beyond stupid.

The problem isn't a cheap owener, cheap GM, or a cheap organization.

The problem is the money isn't spent wisely.

He spends the money, but lacks the desire to spend even more money to try and win and make the team competitive.

If you failed from previous transactions, try again. It's simple. He's loaded, he's got cash, why not spend it?....make your team more competitive.

I do agree with you though, you have a point, the money isn't spend wisely, but then, why is he keeping the same guys hanging around that just have a piss poor performance on judging talent? And rewarding these same jokers with multi-million dollar contracts?

*it sucks to see Carl Peterson hanging around. ****ing sucks. Everybody knows Carl is part of the team failure, and the owner comments on him doing a good job. Then reward him with a new contract?:shake: WTF?

In the real world, if you can't do your job you get a pink slip. It's reality. Carl shoulda had his pink slip years ago. But Lamar is too ****ing nice and loyal for whatever reason I don't know. The guys that are jokers in this organization get rewarded, I don't understand. It's weird. If EVERY fan can see Carl Peterson sucks, but Lamar can't see that. Then, in Lamars eyes Carl is doing something right. There are 2 different pages from what the fans see, to what Lamar sees. This is relevant to what I was saying earlier about how sports has 2 sides both business and humanitarian.

jspchief
03-11-2006, 11:37 AM
Interesting read.

I'm a CP basher but I don't view him as evil. Just as not particularly competent. He's a middle of the road GM who keeps the seats full and money in Lamar's pockets. Apparently thats enough for Lamar so we fans just have to deal with it and with CP.Carl Peterson is the GM equivalent of Dick Vermeil or Marty Schottenheimer. He's been able to bering us good, but never really great. We haven't had any real "hang your head in shame" moments under Peterson, but we also haven't had spectacular success.

There are certainly worse GMs out there. But much like Marty and Vermeil, I've resigned myself to the notion that Peterson can't get us to the next level.

Frankie
03-11-2006, 11:38 AM
I'm not so sure that the Chiefs will stand pat this year.

After coming on as HC, one would think that HE would ask CP for some FA's and that it would be hard for CP and LH to say NO.

FAX
Part of me thinks that way too. I admit I AM hoping that CP is just saying that we won't be FA active. For whatever strategy he has in mind. But the relative inactivity of 2 years ago makes me nervous.

Frankie
03-11-2006, 11:42 AM
The King's boss has allot to do with the every-other-year free agent acquisition strategy.
One of my other big problems with the so called "every-other-year" FA strategy is our inactivity years, so far, have coincided with a year full of tailormade FAs for our needs. Especially this year.

Mr. Laz
03-11-2006, 11:45 AM
The fact that the Chiefs have to find ways to get under the cap on an annual basis refutes that "logic".

Lamar spends the money.
This whole Lamar is cheap allegation is beyond stupid.

The problem isn't a cheap owener, cheap GM, or a cheap organization.

The problem is the money isn't spent wisely.
while i agree that we don't spend the money wisely EITHER


there is many ways to manipulate the cap and the fact that the chiefs have to find ways to get under the cap doesn't really mean much.


just like this CBA issue this year


they has to work to get under the cap at 95 million ... then it looks like they won't do all those restructures because the cap is up 104 million.


i firmly believe the chiefs use the salary cap as a PR excuse for not signing players when they don't WANT to pay for.


there are teams all over the NFL that sign HUGE contracts and still stay as active as we are.

CrazyHorse
03-11-2006, 01:33 PM
Well at least they try EVERY year.

Yeah and we beat 'em last season.

Saulbadguy
03-11-2006, 01:34 PM
Are you going to start a petition to remove him?

Coach
03-11-2006, 01:36 PM
Are you going to start a petition to remove him?

I believe there is one already....

http://www.petitiononline.com/KCchiefs/petition.html

Frankie
03-11-2006, 02:01 PM
Are you going to start a petition to remove him?
Ya want me to, boss? :p

Frankie
03-12-2006, 07:48 AM
Well. So far, judging by the list of signings, teams are excited about the extra cap money and are overpaying FAs left and right. Yes, a couple of names that I hoped we'd go after are off the list now. But the money they've got, I wouldn't want us to pay. Maybe Carl is waiting out the initial signing frenzy until things calm down a bit and prices are more reasonable. He may be an underappreciated genius or a boneheaded stubborn one-track minded jerk. If somehow the former is true, I still don't think we can afford to sit out too long.

milkman
03-12-2006, 07:58 AM
while i agree that we don't spend the money wisely EITHER


there is many ways to manipulate the cap and the fact that the chiefs have to find ways to get under the cap doesn't really mean much.


just like this CBA issue this year


they has to work to get under the cap at 95 million ... then it looks like they won't do all those restructures because the cap is up 104 million.


i firmly believe the chiefs use the salary cap as a PR excuse for not signing players when they don't WANT to pay for.


there are teams all over the NFL that sign HUGE contracts and still stay as active as we are.

Oh, I agree.

But the perception that Lamar is cheap is a misguided one, at best.

He clearly spends the money.
He just doesn't spend it in the way that some would like to see him spend it, including me.

Bob Dole
03-12-2006, 08:27 AM
Unless it was just pushing money forward (which it may have been), Bob Dole doesn't understand why we didn't follow through with the restructuring and have even more money to shop with.

"I'll take a pay cut to reduce our cap number, Carl"

"Nah...don't worry about it. We'll go ahead and pay you the extra money."

Makes no sense.

Or if you don't intend to shop free agents this offseason, at least pull some future salaries into this year so we have the space in future years.

jspchief
03-12-2006, 09:34 AM
Unless it was just pushing money forward (which it may have been), Bob Dole doesn't understand why we didn't follow through with the restructuring and have even more money to shop with.

"I'll take a pay cut to reduce our cap number, Carl"

"Nah...don't worry about it. We'll go ahead and pay you the extra money."

Makes no sense.

Or if you don't intend to shop free agents this offseason, at least pull some future salaries into this year so we have the space in future years.If they were actually pay cuts, my guess is they were contingent on the CBA not getting done. I don't see any reason why the Chiefs wouldn't let players take pay cuts.

But more likely, they were just restructures that put the burden on future caps. Since they are no longer neccessary, the FO chose not to mortgage the future.

Just my guess.

Frankie
03-12-2006, 09:56 AM
But more likely, they were just restructures that put the burden on future caps. Since they are no longer neccessary, the FO chose not to mortgage the future.

Just my guess.
I think so too.