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stevieray
03-13-2006, 09:56 PM
My favorite gas station just got sold to Arabs. The next closest station is owned by Arabs...I purchased my gas there for awhile, but the employees were never friendly, never even attempted to count my change back...so, I stopped going there. The main reason I go to this other station is because all of their employees are very outgoing and friendly.

Word is all of the employees are being replaced with Arabs.

Do you support a business based on service, or is it based on convienence only?

keg in kc
03-13-2006, 10:00 PM
Change? At a gas station? You pay in cash?

How quaint.

As for businesses I support, I think actually a lot of it has to do with convenience rather than service, although I think I do find myself frequenting places with friendly employees. Especially if they're pretty girls in their 20's. But I digress.

Katipan
03-13-2006, 10:00 PM
I don't really expect that much from convenience store clerks. They have a tedious shitty job for little money and I'm never in there long enough to let them affect me in any way. Just give me my cheetos and change.

I certainly wouldn't assume a business would tolerate rude behavior from it's employees on the sole basis that they're Arab. :)

Fruit Ninja
03-13-2006, 10:00 PM
The arabs around where i live are all pretty cool usually. Usually when you walk into thier store or whatever, they tell ya, hows it goign boss. lol Whatever is closest really.

Simplex3
03-13-2006, 10:02 PM
Head to a QuickTrip. They actually pay their employees.

Dunit35
03-13-2006, 10:03 PM
For me, it's whatever is cheapest around here. In my hometown the options are limited with only three stores to get your gas and other supples.

Reaper16
03-13-2006, 10:04 PM
Service matters to me. I know stations with local kid emplyees and stations with arab ownership's kids, etc as employees that both have the clerks on the phone and not communicating with you when you pay, etc.

It does indeed make me not patronize those stations unless I have to.

Skip Towne
03-13-2006, 10:07 PM
Agree with the Quik Trip employees. They hire smart people and pay them accordingly. The Arab operated stores have a high failure rate for obvious reasons.

Donger
03-13-2006, 10:07 PM
It's going to be ugly this summer.

Miles
03-13-2006, 10:07 PM
Convienence and cost are usually the only things I care about for a gas station. I usually don't go in and they don't even sell real beer at them around here.

Obviously quality service is much more important at places like resturants and bars.

KcMizzou
03-13-2006, 10:09 PM
Until recently I could care less. Recently, however, I've become pretty loyal to a local station. The owner is indian, I believe... He always makes a point to ask how things are going... make small talk, etc. He's probably the friendliest person I've ever done any kind of business with. Cool guy.. makes me want to help support his business.

PastorMikH
03-13-2006, 10:10 PM
We have full service station in town owned by an individule. He's usually a cent or two higher than anyone else but I usually go to him (He has self serve pumps too). I pay 20-40 cents a tank more for gas each fill up with him than I would at the convenience store down the road. However, when there's something minor that needs attention, he seldome charges and he's always quick to support the church when we do fundraisers and such. Had another full service station when I was in KS that was the same way. The service is well worth a little extra.

morphius
03-13-2006, 10:32 PM
I have always had good luck with quicktrip as well. Though I don't go in often. For the most part it is price over anything else that will get me to a gas station though.

unlurking
03-13-2006, 10:35 PM
With a gas station, I totally agree. I almost always pay-at-the-pump. Price and location (daily route) are my key priorities.

If it's a retailer that I have to go into, price is only part of the equation. I refuse to shop at Wal-Mart. I love going to Nordstrom's for clothes, but I usually spend my money at basic mall stores. The cost at Nordstrom's is tough to swallow, but the quality and service are top notch. I love being able to explain what I want, and have someone bring things to me for review. I don't know how anyone could shop at Wal-Mart, especially for clothes.

morphius
03-13-2006, 10:37 PM
With a gas station, I totally agree. I almost always pay-at-the-pump. Price and location (daily route) are my key priorities.

If it's a retailer that I have to go into, price is only part of the equation. I refuse to shop at Wal-Mart. I love going to Nordstrom's for clothes, but I usually spend my money at basic mall stores. The cost at Nordstrom's is tough to swallow, but the quality and service are top notch. I love being able to explain what I want, and have someone bring things to me for review. I don't know how anyone could shop at Wal-Mart, especially for clothes.
Not for clothes, be deodarant and the like, why not? Though I prefer target cause I can get in and out quicker.

Though I do let my wife take care of most of that shopping.

unlurking
03-13-2006, 10:40 PM
Not for clothes, be deodarant and the like, why not? Though I prefer target cause I can get in and out quicker.

Though I do let my wife take care of most of that shopping.
The convenience of picking up basic necessities (i.e. deodarant, etc.) at my local grocer while picking up food stuffs trumps the dime I might save. Not to mention the cost of gas and my time to make a second stop.

(I too let the wife do most of that shopping, but if I run out of something I need, I'm NOT going to Wal-Mart.)

EDIT: I guess I should mention that the closest retailer for me is a grocer (King Soopers) within blocks. Wal-Mart (the next closest retailer) is about 5-10 miles. Unfortunately they have begun construction on a Wal-Mart about the same distance as King Soopers from me, but I guarantee I will never step foot in it.

grandllama
03-13-2006, 10:41 PM
Gas is a different story than most things right now. With gas as high as it is, I've had to dump the local / friendship thing right now and swallow my pride and buy at wal-mart...

But during normal times, normal policy is to shop local / friends / friendly over price / convenience.

greg63
03-13-2006, 10:41 PM
I pay at the pump.

patteeu
03-13-2006, 11:07 PM
Service is important, but convenience is King for me.

Bwana
03-13-2006, 11:12 PM
I pay at the pump.

Likewise

Frazod
03-13-2006, 11:15 PM
I pay at the pump.

Same here. About the only time I'll actually go inside a gas station is when I'm travelling and need to piss. Haven't set food inside any of the local gas stations since I quit smoking.

greg63
03-13-2006, 11:56 PM
Same here. About the only time I'll actually go inside a gas station is when I'm travelling and need to piss. Haven't set food inside any of the local gas stations since I quit smoking.

Yup; I might go inside if I'm gonna get something to drink, but other then that I swipe the card gas up and go.

Saulbadguy
03-14-2006, 06:45 AM
Pay at the pump. I actually prefer rude, careless employees. I hate overly happy people...you could throw up from that.

Adept Havelock
03-14-2006, 06:52 AM
Pay at the pump. I actually prefer rude, careless employees. I hate overly happy people...you could throw up from that.

I don't know about "careless", but I'd otherwise agree. I can always appreciate an ornery cashier.

StcChief
03-14-2006, 06:54 AM
Service and friendly employees are a factor. Mention it to the owner. He may care.

I pay at the pump mostly but would want to support an American owned operation.

HemiEd
03-14-2006, 07:17 AM
My favorite gas station just got sold to Arabs. The next closest station is owned by Arabs...I purchased my gas there for awhile, but the employees were never friendly, never even attempted to count my change back...so, I stopped going there. The main reason I go to this other station is because all of their employees are very outgoing and friendly.

Word is all of the employees are being replaced with Arabs.

Do you support a business based on service, or is it based on convienence only?

They own all of the gas stations, donut shops and convenience stores up here. Most recently my favorite and most convenient station converted to Citgo. I read on the internet (has to be true) that a South American Dictator owns Citgo and wants the U.S. to go down. :banghead:

Saulbadguy
03-14-2006, 07:38 AM
I read on the internet (has to be true) that a South American Dictator owns Citgo and wants the U.S. to go down. :banghead:
ROFL

KCTitus
03-14-2006, 07:55 AM
I go with convenience...with the ability to pay at the pump, I rarely interact with the employees anyway.

greg63
03-14-2006, 07:58 AM
I go with convenience...with the ability to pay at the pump, I rarely interact with the employees anyway.


:thumb:

dr00d
03-14-2006, 08:01 AM
who walks into gas stations anymore? :D

I still think it is weird for people to lock their doors while they get gas...paranoid people everywhere.

Boozer
03-14-2006, 08:03 AM
I read on the internet (has to be true) that a South American Dictator owns Citgo and wants the U.S. to go down. :banghead:

That's actually pretty accurate.

MOhillbilly
03-14-2006, 08:08 AM
Quik Trip- its clean, the variety is good and they employ nice people.


service is everything. act like shit, ill spend my money elsewhere. really **** up and ill cause a scene.

Saulbadguy
03-14-2006, 08:08 AM
who walks into gas stations anymore? :D

I still think it is weird for people to lock their doors while they get gas...paranoid people everywhere.
Yeah. I only walk in when I feel like a drink.

My critieria for picking a gas station is:

1. Location. If it is not on my route from work to home, I rarely go there.
2. Price.
3. Number of pumps, and ease of accessibility. I won't go to a station that has all the pumps filled and the lot is so small you have to wait in line, which gets you boxed in.

JBucc
03-14-2006, 08:12 AM
I only get gas on super tuesdays or at kroger's little gas station with my kroger card.

greg63
03-14-2006, 08:13 AM
Yeah. I only walk in when I feel like a drink.

My critieria for picking a gas station is:

1. Location. If it is not on my route from work to home, I rarely go there.
2. Price.
3. Number of pumps, and ease of accessibility. I won't go to a station that has all the pumps filled and the lot is so small you have to wait in line, which gets you boxed in.

I absolutely hate that.

Sully
03-14-2006, 08:21 AM
So... a funny story, depending on how you look at it.
I frequent a gas station near here that is run by Indian folks (The country, not Native Americans). They are very quiet, but if you can take the time to smile at them and ask them how their day is, then they are quite friendly.
Friday night I was going to meet up with some friends and I stopped in to use the ATM, and buy a couple of things. There was this guy in the store who was obviously completely drugged out. He was trying to bargain with the lady on everything, making fun of her for being "ay-rab" and just overall being a shithead. As I'm standing at the ATM, I look over, and he scratches his back. Under his jacket, he had a pistol tucked into the back of his pants (How very gangsta of him). I was scared shitless for the lady behind the counter, as she was obviously getting irritated with his crap, and he just kept giving it. I wasn't going to leave the store till he did. Not that I'm some sort of hero, I just thought having another person would diffuse it a little if something bad happened. I had my cellphone in hand, and walked around the store for 15 minutes, pretending to be shopping (He was there for ****ing 15 minutes!!). Finally the guy left, so I was probably just overreacting. But I admit I was scared shitless.
To the original point of the thread. My thinking is that a lot of folks that work these type of jobs get bullshit from just about everyone who comes in. SO I try to be the instigator of being nice the first few times I go into a store... simple "how are you," "how is your day" type of stuff that people rarely do. If after that they are still shitty, I just don't go back. I live near plenty of gas station/ convenience stores...
The fiance and I love to go to On The Border, and there is one about 2 miles from our house, but because we got consistently bad service there, we drive another 10 miles out of our way to go to another one, where, for some reason, the service is always 10x better.

Saulbadguy
03-14-2006, 08:24 AM
making fun of her for being "ay-rab" and just overall being a shithead.
Most of the convience store owners are of Indian descent..not Arab. Kinda sad most people don't even know the difference.

Sully
03-14-2006, 08:27 AM
Most of the convience store owners are of Indian descent..not Arab. Kinda sad most people don't even know the difference.
That's been my experience, as well.

jspchief
03-14-2006, 08:28 AM
Most of the convience store owners are of Indian descent..not Arab. Kinda sad most people don't even know the difference.Owned by Indians? You're thinking of casinos. :)

jspchief
03-14-2006, 08:37 AM
I wonder what kind of reception this thread would have received if you replaced "arabs" with "blacks" or "jews" in the the thread starter.

Just sayin...

Sully
03-14-2006, 08:40 AM
I think in the long run, as I read it, the race of the people had nothing to do with the actual content of the post. Like if I said.
The library I go to has 3 Russians working there.
Do you go to the library to read books, or to use the computer?

jspchief
03-14-2006, 08:43 AM
I think in the long run, as I read it, the race of the people had nothing to do with the actual content of the post. Like if I said.
The library I go to has 3 Russians working there.
Do you go to the library to read books, or to use the computer?Then why include the adjective "arab" at all? He could have just as easily just said "new ownership".

I think it had a lot to do with the post.

Katipan
03-14-2006, 08:44 AM
It had everything to do with his post.

Sully
03-14-2006, 08:45 AM
Then why include the adjective "arab" at all? He could have just as easily just said "new ownership".

I think it had a lot to do with the post.
I was wondering that... but it just seems that is what somepeople focus on. Not my place...

Sully
03-14-2006, 08:46 AM
It had everything to do with his post.
I guess it coul dbe seen that way, if looked at like this...
He had one experience with Arabs, they were rude, so he expects the next one and any following to follow the same trend, and so on...

Katipan
03-14-2006, 08:48 AM
I guess it coul dbe seen that way, if looked at like this...
He had one experience with Arabs, they were rude, so he expects the next one and any following to follow the same trend, and so on...

welcome to page 1

Saulbadguy
03-14-2006, 08:49 AM
I wonder what kind of reception this thread would have received if you replaced "arabs" with "blacks" or "jews" in the the thread starter.

Just sayin...
Because there is contempt towards arab people going on right now in this country.

jspchief
03-14-2006, 08:55 AM
Because there is contempt towards arab people going on right now in this country.No doubt.

I just thought it was interesting that no one had commented on it yet. If someone had made a similar comment about certain other races, minorities, etc., people would have been coming out of the woodwork to form the lynch mob.

Personally, I don't have much of a problem with it. I believe most stereotypes are rooted in truth.

stevieray
03-14-2006, 09:15 AM
It had everything to do with his post.

and what if it did?

Heaven forbid anyone of color gets called out for rude behavior?

There is a QT in KCK that has rude white employees, I don't go there either.

Saulbadguy
03-14-2006, 09:16 AM
Does anyone not go to a certain gas station because of the gas they use?

Bob Dole
03-14-2006, 09:17 AM
There is a QT in KCK that has rude white employees, I don't go there either.

QT used to address that sort of thing, if customers brought it to someone's attention. Bob Dole has no idea how the company works these days.

Saulbadguy
03-14-2006, 09:17 AM
and what if it did?

Heaven forbid anyone of color gets called out for rude behavior?

There is a QT in KCK that has rude white employees, I don't go there either.
Are you going to give the new employees a chance?

Sully
03-14-2006, 09:18 AM
and what if it did?

Heaven forbid anyone of color gets called out for rude behavior?

There is a QT in KCK that has rude white employees, I don't go there either.
I doubt anyone is really complaining about calling out someone of color for rude behavior.
The problem lies in thinking the behavior is linked with the color.

stevieray
03-14-2006, 09:18 AM
I doubt anyone is really complaining about calling out someone of color for rude behavior.
The problem lies in thinking the behavior is linked with the color.

and who made that assumption?

seclark
03-14-2006, 09:19 AM
Does anyone not go to a certain gas station because of the gas they use?
yes...quick trip. water in the gas.
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stevieray
03-14-2006, 09:19 AM
Are you going to give the new employees a chance?

Sure.

jspchief
03-14-2006, 09:19 AM
and what if it did?

Heaven forbid anyone of color gets called out for rude behavior?

There is a QT in KCK that has rude white employees, I don't go there either.I don't think the issue is calling someone out for rude behavior. I think it's your insinuation that all Arab gas station owners are rude, based on your experience with one station. It's stereotypical, and could be labeled racist.

Saulbadguy
03-14-2006, 09:20 AM
yes...quick trip. water in the gas.
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I've heard that from numerous people. Is that true?

Bob Dole
03-14-2006, 09:20 AM
yes...quick trip. water in the gas.
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Another issue that used to be monitored daily. (Well, at least in the stores where Bob Dole had any say about it...)

jspchief
03-14-2006, 09:21 AM
Gas stations monitor the water in gas. There's a slick little paste that turns red if there is any presence of water.

QT has good gas.

stevieray
03-14-2006, 09:22 AM
I don't think the issue is calling someone out for rude behavior. I think it's your insinuation that all Arab gas station owners are rude, based on your experience with one station. It's stereotypical, and could be labeled racist.

where did I say that?

Bob Dole
03-14-2006, 09:24 AM
Gas stations monitor the water in gas. There's a slick little paste that turns red if there is any presence of water.

QT has good gas.

We have a winner. :)

The QT on Englewood was one of the first QT stores in KC to have the electronic monitoring and measurement. Bob Dole still insisted on "sticking" the tanks daily to physically reconcile gallons sold vs. physical inventory, and check for water.

seclark
03-14-2006, 09:24 AM
I've heard that from numerous people. Is that true?
my son twice in a st.joe quick trip.
myself once at a northeast missouri quick trip.
been a few years ago, and it could have been the storage tanks at the store, but whatever.

their donuts suck too.
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jspchief
03-14-2006, 09:25 AM
where did I say that?You didn't specifically say it.

Why did you name the race of the people involved? How was "arab" relevant?

If you want to pretend you weren't insinuating as much, go ahead.

Katipan
03-14-2006, 09:28 AM
and what if it did?

Heaven forbid anyone of color gets called out for rude behavior?

There is a QT in KCK that has rude white employees, I don't go there either.

Is that what I said? Or are you just reading what you want to read?

Inspector
03-14-2006, 09:32 AM
I go to a place close to the house. They are all very friendly. I don't have time to watch the prices that closely, just go where it's handy.

And I'm one of those people stuck in the past where I use only cash so I still have to go inside.

stevieray
03-14-2006, 09:33 AM
You didn't specifically say it.

Why did you name the race of the people involved? How was "arab" relevant?

If you want to pretend you weren't insinuating as much, go ahead.

Pretend to insinuate that every Arab is rude because I've encountered others that were?

Like every white that mentions someone's color is racist?

I don't like rude service. This instance they happened to be Arab.

Are Arabs immune to this behavior? Are they immune to being called out on it? do you think that people of color complain about rude white people? are they being racist?

jspchief
03-14-2006, 09:34 AM
Pretend to insinuate that every Arab is rude because I've encountered others that were?

Like every white that mentions someone's color is racist?

I don't like rude service. This instance they happened to be Arab.

Are Arabs immune to this behavior? Are they immune to being called out on it? do you think that people of color complain about rude white people? are they being racist?So how was their race relevant to the post? You still haven't answered that.

Saulbadguy
03-14-2006, 09:34 AM
Are you sure they are Arab? Could they be Indian? Just wondering!

stevieray
03-14-2006, 09:35 AM
Is that what I said? Or are you just reading what you want to read?

Where did I claim you said that? I asked you a question..have you answered it, or you only reading what you want into it?

seclark
03-14-2006, 09:36 AM
I go to a place close to the house. They are all very friendly. I don't have time to watch the prices that closely, just go where it's handy.

And I'm one of those people stuck in the past where I use only cash so I still have to go inside.
same here...a family owned place right on the way to work. been going there for 23 years. gas, chew, beer and bait.
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Saulbadguy
03-14-2006, 09:38 AM
Never be rude to an Arab,
An Israeli, or Saudi, or Jew,
Never be rude to an Irishman,
No matter what you do.

Katipan
03-14-2006, 09:40 AM
Where did I claim you said that? I asked you a question..have you answered it, or you only reading what you want into it?

*I* was answering another man's question about your bigotry.
Your question to me was answered on page 1.

Try reading some.

stevieray
03-14-2006, 09:43 AM
*I* was answering another man's question about your bigotry.
Your question to me was answered on page 1.

Try reading some.


why don't you try reading some, I stated the ONLY reason I stopped going the first station was rude behavior..I bought gas there for almost a year, before being fed up.

jspchief
03-14-2006, 09:46 AM
why don't you try reading some, I stated the ONLY reason I stopped going the first station was rude behavior..I bought gas there for almost a year, before being fed up.And the only link between that and your concern that the new station will have bad service is apparently that both are run by Arabs.

That seems to be what you are implying. If I'm wrong, what is the relevance of both stations being "arab"?

Katipan
03-14-2006, 09:47 AM
You've convinced me on the internet. You're not racist. You meant nothing negative.

give me a break.

stevieray
03-14-2006, 09:49 AM
And the only link between that and your concern that the new station will have bad service is apparently that both are run by Arabs.

That seems to be what you are implying. If I'm wrong, what is the relevance of both stations being "arab"?

Is that why I told Saul I'd give them a chance?

I never stated that the new station will have bad service.

stevieray
03-14-2006, 09:49 AM
You've convinced me on the internet. You're not racist. You meant nothing negative.

give me a break.

get over yourself, Mer.

Katipan
03-14-2006, 09:51 AM
I'll try harder to be racist for you baby.

morphius
03-14-2006, 09:51 AM
why don't you try reading some, I stated the ONLY reason I stopped going the first station was rude behavior..I bought gas there for almost a year, before being fed up.
It was your choice of what you pointed out that is confusing your question. If you would have said that all the employees at a gas station you like are being replaced, because the owner was bought out... and that you have stopped going to other gas stations because of rude employees in the past... Nobody would be wondering why it mattered that "Arabs" were buying the new place.

jspchief
03-14-2006, 09:56 AM
I never stated that the new station will have bad service.No, but you implied that you were concerned that the new station might have bad service. You didn't give any reasoning behind that concern other than "the new employees will be arab". That, along with your anecdotal story about your last experience with arabs makes it pretty obvious what you were getting at.

FWIW, I agree. In my experience, a gas station run by Arabs or Indians is much more likely to have poor service. It's also more likely to smell bad. Like I said earlier, most stereotypes are rooted in truth.

stevieray
03-14-2006, 10:01 AM
No, but you implied that you were concerned that the new station might have bad service. You didn't give any reasoning behind that concern other than "the new employees will be arab". That, along with your anecdotal story about your last experience with arabs makes it pretty obvious what you were getting at.

FWIW, I agree. In my experience, a gas station run by Arabs or Indians is much more likely to have poor service. It's also more likely to smell bad. Like I said earlier, most stereotypes are rooted in truth.

I never said I was concerned that the station will have bad service. I was supporting the other business for almost a year with bad service, based on convienence.

jspchief
03-14-2006, 10:04 AM
I never said I was concerned that the station will have bad service. I was supporting the other business for almost a year with bad service, based on convienence.Fair enough.

Then what is the relevance of this statement?: "My favorite gas station just got sold to Arabs."

Inspector
03-14-2006, 10:10 AM
I think my favorite gas station is run by Leprechauns.

They have a huge supply of Lucky Charms.

Count Alex's Losses
03-14-2006, 10:19 AM
Never be rude to an Arab,
An Israeli, or Saudi, or Jew,
Never be rude to an Irishman,
No matter what you do.


NEVER POKE FUN AT A *****AAAAH

A ***
OR A ****
OR A KRAUT!

greg63
03-14-2006, 01:23 PM
There is good and bad in this world and neither is mutually exclusive to only one race or national origin or another.

-Captain Obvious