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ChiefsfaninPA
03-15-2006, 11:44 AM
Man, with all of these delays, they better get it right.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6465505.html?tag=cnetfd.sd

dr00d
03-15-2006, 03:36 PM
all those delays by blizzard and have you ever NOT been impressed by what they put out? It will happen the very same way.

The Bad Guy
03-15-2006, 03:52 PM
I have a pre-order already. I'd rather them wait to launch it and have a superior system then rush it.

htismaqe
03-15-2006, 04:29 PM
all those delays by blizzard and have you ever NOT been impressed by what they put out? It will happen the very same way.

I don't agree with that at all.

They delayed the PS2 and it still didn't have all the features they said it would.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-15-2006, 05:48 PM
Considering that the system is going to cost Sony approximately 800 bucks to manufacture, I can definitely see the need for the delay (especially in regard to the on-the chip emulation system). It should be interesting to see how truly badass the Cell processor is.

Valiant
03-15-2006, 06:06 PM
PlayStation 3:
# The Playstation 3 will launch in all territories in early to mid-November 2006--with a pre-Black Friday release promised. No price was given. This is a delay from the console's purported spring release in Japan but on track with the speculated launch for the United States and Europe.
# The 60GB 2.5-inch hard disc drive will have a Linux OS. It was not revealed whether the hard drive will come with the console, but one will be necessary to play PS3 games.
# Sony is preparing an online gaming service comparable to Xbox Live. It will be called PlayStation Network Platform. No price was given, but "free" is being bandied about.
# In order to meet the worldwide demand and avoid Xbox 360-esque shortages, Sony will produce 1 million PS3 consoles each month, promising 6 million by March 2007.
# As expected, PS3 games will only available on Blu-ray discs to curtail piracy. The PS3 will play DVDs and CDs as well as PS2 and PS1 games.

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Limited number of consoles available before christmas and launching before black friday...And I am calling BS on making 6million units in four months, they could not do half that when the ps2 came out and they have less factories and workers now then before...

Copying X-box live.. Smart move...


But mostly the article is a bunch of maybes from sony...

Cochise
03-15-2006, 06:50 PM
Xbox could have a pretty large share by then. PS3 will need to be more and more superior to take hold the later it comes out.

Pants
03-15-2006, 08:08 PM
Xbox could have a pretty large share by then. PS3 will need to be more and more superior to take hold the later it comes out.
Still, I think PS3 is going to own 360 technologically like Xbox owned PS2.

The big positive for 360 from this, is that the delay will give Bungie and Mirosoft more time to release Halo 3. If Halo 3 makes as big of a splash as Halo 2 did and it happens before PS3 is even out, it may be PS3's doom.

ChiefsKing
03-15-2006, 11:33 PM
http://articles.news.aol.com/business/article.adp?id=20060315054909990002&_mpc=business%2e10%2e1&cid=403




The best part of the article is


" So with the new PlayStation 3, consumers would get not only the latest game console, but also the latest DVD technology, for a price that Sony has said will not exceed $500. "



I had heard they were going to cost over $800. Very happy to hear under $500.

ChiefsKing
03-15-2006, 11:34 PM
http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/0d/01/20060314211909990009

htismaqe
03-16-2006, 08:10 AM
http://articles.news.aol.com/business/article.adp?id=20060315054909990002&_mpc=business%2e10%2e1&cid=403




The best part of the article is


" So with the new PlayStation 3, consumers would get not only the latest game console, but also the latest DVD technology, for a price that Sony has said will not exceed $500. "



I had heard they were going to cost over $800. Very happy to hear under $500.

Right now, it costs Sony almost $900 to manufacture one unit. Unless that changes dramatically, don't plan on it being under $500. Nobody takes a 50% loss.

htismaqe
03-16-2006, 08:11 AM
Still, I think PS3 is going to own 360 technologically like Xbox owned PS2.

The big positive for 360 from this, is that the delay will give Bungie and Mirosoft more time to release Halo 3. If Halo 3 makes as big of a splash as Halo 2 did and it happens before PS3 is even out, it may be PS3's doom.

The PS3 may own the 360 technologically, but the significant head start the 360 has gotten will eventually be the turning point.

The XBox owned the PS2 technologically, but still undersold because of the market penetration PS2 gathered prior to the XBox release...

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-16-2006, 11:50 AM
Right now, it costs Sony almost $900 to manufacture one unit. Unless that changes dramatically, don't plan on it being under $500. Nobody takes a 50% loss.

Ahh but they do in the video gaming industry. Consoles are almost always sold at a high loss rate and then money is later recouped through licensing and development fees with video game development companies.

It's worked this way for several generations of consoles now.

Mr. Laz
03-16-2006, 11:54 AM
Right now, it costs Sony almost $900 to manufacture one unit. Unless that changes dramatically, don't plan on it being under $500. Nobody takes a 50% loss.
i hear they are going to do precisely that ... take a huge loss.


i also hear that the hard drive is a huge cost for them.

Apparently is suppose to be a really good one.

Cave Johnson
03-16-2006, 12:05 PM
The PS3 may own the 360 technologically, but the significant head start the 360 has gotten will eventually be the turning point.

My take is that the high def DVD functionality will give the PS3 the edge. The target market at $500 is guys in their 20s. Same demographic who are buying HD television will also want the latest technology.

Cochise
03-16-2006, 02:16 PM
I read that Sony was willing to sell PS3 at a loss initially, but they aren't going to do that for long.

And, they say $500, but is that the whole shebang, or the stripped down version, ie, no hard drive or network or peripherals.?

Cochise
03-16-2006, 02:16 PM
My take is that the high def DVD functionality will give the PS3 the edge. The target market at $500 is guys in their 20s. Same demographic who are buying HD television will also want the latest technology.

I think you are overestimating the number of 25 year olds with HD setups.

Mr. Laz
03-16-2006, 02:54 PM
I think you are overestimating the number of 25 year olds with HD setups.
i think you're underestimating the number of 35 year olds that still play video games. :D

listopencil
03-16-2006, 04:35 PM
I was checking out Blu Ray just the other day. Already goes from 23GB to 50GB. It's supposed to go up to 200GB of storage per disc within the next 12 to 18 months from what I recall. That's going to equate to much better games, games that kick the ass right off of anything we have now.

htismaqe
03-16-2006, 04:49 PM
Ahh but they do in the video gaming industry. Consoles are almost always sold at a high loss rate and then money is later recouped through licensing and development fees with video game development companies.

It's worked this way for several generations of consoles now.

Consoles are traditionally sold at a loss, yes.

They have NEVER been sold at HALF their production cost. That's absurd.

htismaqe
03-16-2006, 04:50 PM
I was checking out Blu Ray just the other day. Already goes from 23GB to 50GB. It's supposed to go up to 200GB of storage per disc within the next 12 to 18 months from what I recall. That's going to equate to much better games, games that kick the ass right off of anything we have now.

It actually won't equate to anything right off the bat, let alone much better games than we have now.

Why?

Because developers don't take risks...they sell games.

Jim Jones
03-16-2006, 05:31 PM
The PS3 may own the 360 technologically, but the significant head start the 360 has gotten will eventually be the turning point.

The XBox owned the PS2 technologically, but still undersold because of the market penetration PS2 gathered prior to the XBox release...


PS2 is outselling X-BOX 360 right now. Sony won't have any problem keeping their hold on the gaming industry when PS3 comes out.

Pants
03-16-2006, 06:04 PM
PS2 is outselling X-BOX 360 right now. Sony won't have any problem keeping their hold on the gaming industry when PS3 comes out.

Link? 360 sold everything they put out with the first few waves. If you're talking percentage-wise, this is due to the huge price difference.

Mark my words, if MS comes out with Halo 3 before PS3 launches and it sells even close to Halo 2, PS3 is in huge doo doo.

Jim Jones
03-16-2006, 07:06 PM
Link? 360 sold everything they put out with the first few waves. If you're talking percentage-wise, this is due to the huge price difference.

Mark my words, if MS comes out with Halo 3 before PS3 launches and it sells even close to Halo 2, PS3 is in huge doo doo.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145806.html

"According to industry sources, more than 160,000 Xbox 360s were sold in February. That compares to more than 300,000 PlayStation 2's, more than 170,000 PlayStation Portables, and over 150,000 Nintendo DS units sold during the month of February."

Pants
03-16-2006, 08:46 PM
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145806.html

"According to industry sources, more than 160,000 Xbox 360s were sold in February. That compares to more than 300,000 PlayStation 2's, more than 170,000 PlayStation Portables, and over 150,000 Nintendo DS units sold during the month of February."

Read the whole article, it talks about 360 inventory constraints in 2 places.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-16-2006, 10:04 PM
Consoles are traditionally sold at a loss, yes.

They have NEVER been sold at HALF their production cost. That's absurd.

500/800 is 62.5%. Although it seems like I'm splitting hairs, 12.5% is a big deal in the business world.

The Nvidia chipset built into the original XBox was hellaciously advanced for its time.

Per Wiki:

(Regarding the Xbox and Development Costs and Losses)

Microsoft has invested billions of dollars into the Xbox internal documents and received back billions of dollars in sales. Overall though Xbox division has lost $4 billion from 2001 to 2005. [13] In particular, the Xbox hardware itself is a loss leader, since the console was sold at a loss even at its debut price. The losses deepened when sales of the Xbox increased and when the price was reduced successive times to compete with PlayStation 2 [14]. Microsoft predicted that it would not make a profit on the Xbox for at least three years. This prediction turned out to be correct; Microsoft Game Studios, Microsoft's game division in charge of Xbox development, had its first profitable quarter reported in January 2005, thanks largely to the success of Halo 2 [15]. Investor relations documents says that in the end of 2005 Microsoft lost more 1 billion dollars [16]. The Xbox project never gave an annual profit to Microsoft according to these documents. In return for the money loss though the Xbox gained name recognization and a dedicated fan base. [17]

Dell's/Moores law says that computing speed doubles roughly every 18 months. If Microsoft didn't make a profit on the XBox for 3 years, then that would mean that the console would have to have cost 200% of what it was sold for in order to them to not turn a profit for 3 years. So it has in fact happened before.

listopencil
03-16-2006, 10:57 PM
It actually won't equate to anything right off the bat, let alone much better games than we have now.

Why?

Because developers don't take risks...they sell games.


You're not thinking of all the possibilities. All the stuff that gets cut from console games due to lack of space (extra levels, characters, etc.) can be kept in. Right off the bat, compilations can be released that were impossible before. Game designers for PS3 are already taking advantage of the new media. It's going to kick ass.

listopencil
03-16-2006, 11:01 PM
Link? 360 sold everything they put out with the first few waves. If you're talking percentage-wise, this is due to the huge price difference.

Mark my words, if MS comes out with Halo 3 before PS3 launches and it sells even close to Halo 2, PS3 is in huge doo doo.


There's a rumor going around that there will be no Halo 3. The only sensible thing I've heard out of it is that a game will be released that is pretty much a sequel but without the Halo name, using similar/the same characters and a new engine. It sounds goofy to me, though.

Valiant
03-16-2006, 11:04 PM
http://www.
gamespot.com/news/6145806.html (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145806.html)

"According to industry sources, more than 160,000 Xbox 360s were sold in February. That compares to more than 300,000 PlayStation 2's, more than 170,000 PlayStation Portables, and over 150,000 Nintendo DS units sold during the month of February."


The number you are forgetting is 360 sold 100% of its units...

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People are forgetting that Sony's stock has been sinking lately, they hired an American ceo to run the company.. He has fired 10's of thousands of workers and shut down factories in the last year...

Thier production line has been reduced because of it...

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Sony will have no problem selling its units worldwide, But just like the PS2/xbox and 360 will have problems with inventory for the first six months... Anybody thinking Sony will not have problems because they say so is foolish... Sony is KNOWN to fib on facts...

Valiant
03-16-2006, 11:08 PM
There's a rumor going around that there will be no Halo 3. The only sensible thing I've heard out of it is that a game will be released that is pretty much a sequel but without the Halo name, using similar/the same characters and a new engine. It sounds goofy to me, though.


Horrible rumor.. Mine is more realistic...

Halo 3 is already made.. It did not take four years to make halo2 after Halo.. They made both in conjuction, as in the reason why halo 2 was so short... All they have been doing now is using a beefed up version of the engine to rework the graphics.. And they keep pushing it back to match PS3 release date...

Valiant
03-16-2006, 11:13 PM
You're not thinking of all the possibilities. All the stuff that gets cut from console games due to lack of space (extra levels, characters, etc.) can be kept in. Right off the bat, compilations can be released that were impossible before. Game designers for PS3 are already taking advantage of the new media. It's going to kick ass.


They do not do this, well the majority do not... PC games always have got stuff cut out, they either cut it completely or sell it as an expansion or download... Giving out free stuff is usually not a priority for companies that already have you hooked with the game...

The consoles that now take advantage of this charge you for the extra content... Or the way I see it, they purposely leave out content/level/characters so you have to pay extra to download them via the live service...

listopencil
03-16-2006, 11:22 PM
Horrible rumor.. Mine is more realistic...

Halo 3 is already made.. It did not take four years to make halo2 after Halo.. They made both in conjuction, as in the reason why halo 2 was so short... All they have been doing now is using a beefed up version of the engine to rework the graphics.. And they keep pushing it back to match PS3 release date...

I've got one: Halo 3 is actually an easter egg in Halo 2. If you do it right while connected to XBOX 360 LIVE, Halo 3 will download to your hard drive. Keep trying, a friend of my uncle's got it to work. He and my uncle were playing it at this dude's house last week.

listopencil
03-16-2006, 11:24 PM
They do not do this, well the majority do not... PC games always have got stuff cut out, they either cut it completely or sell it as an expansion or download... Giving out free stuff is usually not a priority for companies that already have you hooked with the game...

The consoles that now take advantage of this charge you for the extra content... Or the way I see it, they purposely leave out content/level/characters so you have to pay extra to download them via the live service...

We'll see. The opportunity is out there for the game companies and PS3 will be using Blu Ray technology.