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Joe Seahawk
03-21-2006, 06:05 PM
:banghead: :banghead:


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Jay Glazer of Foxsports.com has this report suggesting that the Jets, Falcons and Broncos have worked out a three-way trade that will bring Jets DE John Abraham to the Falcons. The Seahawks and Jets previously agreed on a trade that would have brought Abraham to Seattle, but Abraham wanted to play for the Falcons and actually agreed to a contract with them.

Wrote Glazer: "If the trade is approved, then the Falcons have traded their first-round pick (No. 15 overall) to the Broncos, which traded their first-rounder (No. 29) and two additional picks to Atlanta. The Falcons then send the 29th pick of the draft to the Jets for Abraham. The Jets thus receive a draft pick two slots higher in the first round than the Seahawks were able to offer."

http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/

SLAG
03-21-2006, 06:07 PM
Since the Donkos are involved there has to be foul play

morphius
03-21-2006, 06:08 PM
that makes my head hurt

nychief
03-21-2006, 06:09 PM
How did the Broncos end up with Alge Crumpler and Michael Vick?

SLAG
03-21-2006, 06:18 PM
Disgruntled defensive end John Abraham may finally have been traded to the team he was hoping, albeit not in the trade route that was expected.

FOXSports.com has learned that the Falcons, Broncos and Jets swung a three-way trade Tuesday in order to make the deal happen that would get Abraham to the Falcons. The deal has been approved by the league, but the parties are all waiting for the Jets to sign the trade papers and make it official.

In the trade, the Falcons send their first-round pick (No. 15 overall) to the Broncos, and Denver turns around and sends its first-round pick (No. 29) and a third-rounder in this year's draft plus a fourth-round pick in 2007 to Atlanta. The Falcons then send that 29th overall pick in the draft to the Jets for Abraham. The Jets thus receive a draft pick two slots higher in the first round than the Seahawks were able to offer in their quest to land Abraham.

Abraham also told FOXSports.com several days ago that he had agreed to the financial parameters of a deal with the Falcons and insisted that was the primary team he wanted to play for.

Abraham also talked glowingly about the opportunity to play on a defense with the likes of fellow Pro Bowl defensive end Patrick Kerney as well as Pro Bowler players Keith Booking, DeAngelo Hall and Rod Coleman.

Abraham balked at the idea of moving to the Northwest to play in Seattle because he wants to be close to his family on the East Coast and is actually taking a bit less money to go to Atlanta than he would have gotten from the Seahawks.

ceebz
03-21-2006, 06:19 PM
The Donkeys moved up 14 spots for their 29th pick and two additional picks?

Is Glazer a Donkey fan by chance?

Sure-Oz
03-21-2006, 06:24 PM
Not Cool

HerculesRockefell
03-21-2006, 06:24 PM
Schefter says the picks are Denver's 3rd and one of their 4ths. Shanny just raped the Falcons.

Edit: Glazer has it now as '06 3rd and '07 4th

58-4ever
03-21-2006, 06:25 PM
The Donkeys moved up 14 spots for their 29th pick and two additional picks?

Is Glazer a Donkey fan by chance?

The Donks are targeting someone. If I had my guess it would be Vernon Davis.

C-Mac
03-21-2006, 06:26 PM
I thought this only occurs during a leap year?

HerculesRockefell
03-21-2006, 06:27 PM
The Donks are targeting someone. If I had my guess it would be Vernon Davis.

Too far out for a specific target. The deal was too good to pass up.

Mr. Laz
03-21-2006, 06:27 PM
The Donkeys moved up 14 spots for their 29th pick and two additional picks?
sounds like it

Atlanta No. 15

for

Broncos' first round pick (No. 29)
third-rounder in this year's draft
fourth-round pick in 2007

Mr. Laz
03-21-2006, 06:29 PM
gawd i hate the donks .....


but at least they are working hard .... found a way to get their dirty git nose involved in a trade where they did nothing.


and moved up ahead of us in the 1st round while doing it. :banghead:

nychief
03-21-2006, 06:29 PM
The Donks are targeting someone. If I had my guess it would be Vernon Davis.


They are going to have to move up again. Davis blew everybody away druing the combine... I think he'll be gone by 14.

HerculesRockefell
03-21-2006, 06:33 PM
They are going to have to move up again. Davis blew everybody away druing the combine... I think he'll be gone by 14.

Davis has always been a Top 10. Kiper said he graded out as his best TE ever, and this was before the Combine.

tk13
03-21-2006, 06:39 PM
So now the Raiders, Broncos, and Chargers pick before we do. Having that extra first round pick does wonders. The Broncos could still be looking to package those two 1st rounders and move into the top 10 perhaps. Or just get two good mid-level 1st round talents.

Sure-Oz
03-21-2006, 06:40 PM
Who's this Davis guy

blueballs
03-21-2006, 06:47 PM
Broncos | Targeting QB with No. 15 overall pick
Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:35:07 -0800

ESPNews reports the Denver Broncos are expected to target a quarterback after acquiring the No. 15 overall pick from the Atlanta Falcons in a three-team deal.

Rain Man
03-21-2006, 06:47 PM
sounds like it

Atlanta No. 15

for

Broncos' first round pick (No. 29)
third-rounder in this year's draft
fourth-round pick in 2007


That seems like a good deal for the Broncos, especially since they don't have a salary cap.

HerculesRockefell
03-21-2006, 06:50 PM
Broncos | Targeting QB with No. 15 overall pick
Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:35:07 -0800

ESPNews reports the Denver Broncos are expected to target a quarterback after acquiring the No. 15 overall pick from the Atlanta Falcons in a three-team deal.

That'd be nice, but then again, people said Denver was targeting Dansby in '04 when they traded up a week before the draft. No one ever knows who Shanny's targeting this far out.

blueballs
03-21-2006, 06:51 PM
what is a Shanny

CoMoChief
03-21-2006, 06:56 PM
The Donks are targeting someone. If I had my guess it would be Vernon Davis.


St. Louis will draft Vernon Davis. If they dont theyre retarded.

Mr. Laz
03-21-2006, 07:05 PM
That seems like a good deal for the Broncos, especially since they don't have a salary cap.

considering we paid that much to move up 2 spots to draft Ryan Sims


10th to 8th i think

Short Leash Hootie
03-21-2006, 07:10 PM
Broncos | Targeting QB with No. 15 overall pick
Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:35:07 -0800

ESPNews reports the Denver Broncos are expected to target a quarterback after acquiring the No. 15 overall pick from the Atlanta Falcons in a three-team deal.
Vince Young?

Garcia Bronco
03-21-2006, 07:42 PM
Schefter says the picks are Denver's 3rd and one of their 4ths. Shanny just raped the Falcons.

Edit: Glazer has it now as '06 3rd and '07 4th

This years 3rd and next years 4th

Taco John
03-21-2006, 07:44 PM
Vince Young?



No. I'd guess we're hoping to land Cutler or Leinart.

Garcia Bronco
03-21-2006, 07:44 PM
The possibilties are endless...we could move up...get two players...get more picks...this is sweet.

blueballs
03-21-2006, 07:44 PM
It's a done deal.

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FBN_JETS_ABRAHAM_TRADE?SITE=NYPLA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-03-21-20-27-26

Mr. Laz
03-21-2006, 07:47 PM
It's a done deal.

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FBN_JETS_ABRAHAM_TRADE?SITE=NYPLA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-03-21-20-27-26

we have the laziest dam personal dept in the freakin world :banghead:

Cochise
03-21-2006, 07:51 PM
Seems more likely the Donks would be targeting Cutler to me. Isn't that about the right position for him, draft geeks?

With Plummers tutilage he's assured to be a success :D

RedThat
03-21-2006, 07:54 PM
we have the laziest dam personal dept in the freakin world :banghead:

That pretty much sums up what I've been b*tching about all along. I kinda hate being a Chiefs fan. Because of crap like this that they pull. As fans we have to watch other teams get better, and we continue to be lazy in other aspects of improving our football team.

Mile High Mania
03-21-2006, 07:54 PM
Nice move.. who knows what the hell they're planning. They now have the 15th and 22nd overall picks... they're likely getting a couple of comp picks.


Maybe Shanahan will find a way to work a trade with Houston.. I dunno.

RedThat
03-21-2006, 07:56 PM
Nice move.. who knows what the hell they're planning. They now have the 15th and 22nd overall picks... they're likely getting a couple of comp picks.


Maybe Shanahan will find a way to work a trade with Houston.. I dunno.

You can thank Dan Snyder for improving your football team. Just by giving you that extra pick.

JBucc
03-21-2006, 07:56 PM
Nice move.. who knows what the hell they're planning. They now have the 15th and 22nd overall picks... they're likely getting a couple of comp picks.


Maybe Shanahan will find a way to work a trade with Houston.. I dunno.Reggie Bush in Dungver would be a nightmare

Cochise
03-21-2006, 07:59 PM
Looking at some mocks, it doesn't seem like most media organizations think 15 will be high enough to land one of the top 3 QBs.

I would also expect that it will take more than the 15th and the 22nd to move into the top 5 or 3, wouldn't it?

I don't think there are going to be teams moving up to get Young the way he is dropping. Just my amateur thoughts though.

shaneo69
03-21-2006, 08:00 PM
This is unbelievable. Denver should've had to give up both #22 and #29 to move up to #15. Now they still have two first rounders, and one of them is five spots in front of us.

First the T-Rich signing, and now this. Super.

blueballs
03-21-2006, 08:02 PM
I will have to stay away from porn for 15 mnutes of sorrow

Cochise
03-21-2006, 08:07 PM
This is unbelievable. Denver should've had to give up both #22 and #29 to move up to #15.

I don't really think that is true. The 15 slot isn't all that much better than #22. Maybe both of those picks to move up to 7, 8, 9, 10, somewhere around there.

tk13
03-21-2006, 08:09 PM
The Broncos are very smooth in the trading market. You can't deny that. They always seem to be able to push that little extra no other team can get. Shane's probably right, the majority of teams would've at least had to give up the 22nd pick if they only got to choose one 1st rounder. Same thing with the Portis trade, they came out like bandits there.

Mile High Mania
03-21-2006, 08:09 PM
You can thank Dan Snyder for improving your football team. Just by giving you that extra pick.

No doubt, all that for a QB they wanted (that as far as I could tell was a R2 pick anyway) that will be sitting on the bench again. Bravo to Snyder.

I'd like for them to not worry about QB at this point, especially giving up what it would take to get a guy like Leinert. I'm not sold on the other two at all... they can do a lot with those 2 R1 picks.

Lots of things can happen.

Cochise
03-21-2006, 08:11 PM
No doubt, all that for a QB they wanted (that as far as I could tell was a R2 pick anyway) that will be sitting on the bench again. Bravo to Snyder.

I'd like for them to not worry about QB at this point, especially giving up what it would take to get a guy like Leinert. I'm not sold on the other two at all... they can do a lot with those 2 R1 picks.

Lots of things can happen.

Yeah... I think that I would normally rather have two middle/late first round picks than one high one. I know that this year it would be nice to have two 1st rounders added to our defensive line, or add 1st round talent both at linebacker and at corner at the same time.

RedThat
03-21-2006, 08:15 PM
The Donks are targeting someone. If I had my guess it would be Vernon Davis.

Vernon Davis is not going #15.

If anything, he'll go in the top 10. If I we're the Donks, it's a realistic possibility that a QB will be sitting there at #15. If that happens to be the case, they should make the right decision in drafting a QB.

Or, best case scenario draft a RB since they lost out on Mike Anderson.

Mile High Mania
03-21-2006, 08:17 PM
If Denver could get the top TE, that would be great... that would be the type of player (other than RB) that could step in and produce now. Potentially, you could see something like that from a DE or LB... maybe safety.

But, not from most WRs or Olinemen. Denver has several areas of need to address - WR screams out loudly to me since Lelie isn't stepping up like he wants Rod's job. Lelie should have been treating the last 2 years like it was his goal to push Rod into retirement, rather he's giving Rod a hell of an exit to a great career.

I'd like to see them trade a 2 or 3 for Walker... that would fix the WR position in my mind. Then, focus on TE, S and D/Oline in the draft.

RedThat
03-21-2006, 08:23 PM
Schefter says the picks are Denver's 3rd and one of their 4ths. Shanny just raped the Falcons.

Edit: Glazer has it now as '06 3rd and '07 4th


:spock: huh?

Is that your defination of rapping?

Shanny had to dish out 3 draft picks to the Falcons. A 1st, a 3rd, and a 4th. Plus, add John Abraham to the Falcons list, that sweetens the whole deal for Atlanta. I'll tell you, Denver is very fortunate for having another pick. A lot of Denver fans should be thanking Dan Snyder right now. Because had it not been for that extra 1st round pick, moving up 14 slots, and having to give up your 1st, 3rd, and 4th rd picks is very risky. There are no guarantees in this league. I have to be willing to give Shanny a lot admiration and respect for being gutsy. Please don't hate me for saying that Chief fans.

Mr. Laz
03-21-2006, 08:24 PM
The Broncos are very smooth in the trading market. You can't deny that. They always seem to be able to push that little extra no other team can get. Shane's probably right, the majority of teams would've at least had to give up the 22nd pick if they only got to choose one 1st rounder. Same thing with the Portis trade, they came out like bandits there.
and we are the exact opposite....


even when we aren't asleep at the wheel when deals are going on, we usually get the short end of the stick by just a little bit. Not usually enough to get attention and embarrassment from the media. But 99% of the time we get the short side of the deal.

it adds up over time.

RedThat
03-21-2006, 08:25 PM
This is unbelievable. Denver should've had to give up both #22 and #29 to move up to #15. Now they still have two first rounders, and one of them is five spots in front of us.

First the T-Rich signing, and now this. Super.

Not really Shaneo. This makes sense and seems mathematically correct.

Think back when we traded down to get LJ in the 1st. Pittsburgh gave us their 1st and 3rd rd picks.

Frazod
03-21-2006, 08:27 PM
Carl needs to F#CKING DIE :# I am so tired of everybody else making these blockbuster deals but us. Motherf#cker!!!! :banghead:

Miles
03-21-2006, 08:35 PM
You can thank Dan Snyder for improving your football team. Just by giving you that extra pick.

Considering Washington recieved the #25 pick last year for it they didnt exactly give it away. Based on draft charts Washington got the more valuable pick.

tk13
03-21-2006, 08:40 PM
and we are the exact opposite....


even when we aren't asleep at the wheel when deals are going on, we usually get the short end of the stick by just a little bit. Not usually enough to get attention and embarrassment from the media. But 99% of the time we get the short side of the deal.

it adds up over time.
We win some, we lose some. The Larry Johnson trade worked out real well. Worked out well for the Steelers too, but we did really good obviously. We did trade R-Kal Truluck for 5th and 6th round picks, which was pretty hard to believe. And the Willie Roaf trade... that was probably the best one. What was that, a 3rd rounder? That was a great trade. Trent Green for a 1st rounder was worth it.

On the flipside we basically traded Kevin Jones for Siavii and Samie Parker, that's probably hard to evaluate at this point since Jones nor Siavii has lived up to potential. The Welbourn trade wasn't probably a good one. Still, it's not like we've done horrible in the trade market. I'd say above average, pretty much solely because of the Roaf trade. That was an outstanding trade, probably as good as any trade this decade.

RedThat
03-21-2006, 08:41 PM
and we are the exact opposite....


even when we aren't asleep at the wheel when deals are going on, we usually get the short end of the stick by just a little bit. Not usually enough to get attention and embarrassment from the media. But 99% of the time we get the short side of the deal.

it adds up over time.

Well, being a Chiefs fan as you know, how this organization operates, we very rarely make a pitch for high profile, priced players. And every time we bring in a high profile, high priced UFA, it's usually to dine the guy. That's the way it is with these guys I guess?

I was thinking to myself, and you know, I give the Chiefs some credit. They don't overspend for their high profile guys. Then again, they are waaaay too loyal to a lot of underachieving players and reward them with multi-million dollar contracts. That pretty much explains the whole that their in now. Thanks to contracts from Jerome Woods, Eric Hicks, Dexter McCleon, Shawn Barber, Eric Warfield, etc.

*Another thing, we are gawd awful at drafting. Just to think, if we could potentially draft well, we could very well be like the Patriots and Steelers.

RedThat
03-21-2006, 08:42 PM
Considering Washington recieved the #25 pick last year for it they didnt exactly give it away. Based on draft charts Washington got the more valuable pick.

Who did they get?

blueballs
03-21-2006, 08:48 PM
A few media types thought the Chiefs should get penalized by the league for only giving the Jets a 4th for Edwards.

Garcia Bronco
03-21-2006, 09:14 PM
Reggie Bush in Dungver would be a nightmare

LJ is 2 times th back Bush is right now.

Garcia Bronco
03-21-2006, 09:15 PM
Who did they get?

Jason Campbell and he didn't touch the field...and they're trying to win now....which makes the pick kinda dumb.

Miles
03-21-2006, 09:17 PM
Jason Campbell and he didn't touch the field...and they're trying to win now....which makes the pick kinda dumb.

Agree there. Also haven't heard much of anything about how he has progressed.

Garcia Bronco
03-21-2006, 09:17 PM
and we are the exact opposite....


even when we aren't asleep at the wheel when deals are going on, we usually get the short end of the stick by just a little bit. Not usually enough to get attention and embarrassment from the media. But 99% of the time we get the short side of the deal.

it adds up over time.

You have a complex don't you? ?

Halfcan
03-21-2006, 09:25 PM
The Donks are targeting someone. If I had my guess it would be Vernon Davis.

Can't even wait for him to be a Brown first.

They probably want another running back, with personal problems.

Mr. Laz
03-21-2006, 09:28 PM
We win some, we lose some. The Larry Johnson trade worked out real well. Worked out well for the Steelers too, but we did really good obviously. We did trade R-Kal Truluck for 5th and 6th round picks, which was pretty hard to believe. And the Willie Roaf trade... that was probably the best one. What was that, a 3rd rounder? That was a great trade. Trent Green for a 1st rounder was worth it.

On the flipside we basically traded Kevin Jones for Siavii and Samie Parker, that's probably hard to evaluate at this point since Jones nor Siavii has lived up to potential. The Welbourn trade wasn't probably a good one. Still, it's not like we've done horrible in the trade market. I'd say above average, pretty much solely because of the Roaf trade. That was an outstanding trade, probably as good as any trade this decade.
actually i'm not talking about the end positive/negative result of the trade. when you take into consideration the players drafted with the picks etc ... it's really hard to judge except waaaaay down the road.

heck, the donks win some lose some there too.


i'm talking about the actually trade at the time

the willie roaf trade might be the best trade the chiefs have ever made

the fujita and truluck trades are decent


but we didn't get enough for the trade down for johnson and we gave up too much for the trade up for sims.


when we pay ... we pay the premium, when we get paid it's almost always lower end.


and that's even when we try .... which isn't often enough


maybe that's why we don't try as much, cause carl knows he sucks.

Mr. Laz
03-21-2006, 09:30 PM
You have a complex don't you? ?
yes i do you donkey kissin' bastige :p



going 12 freakin' years without a playoff win will do that to a fan. :(

HerculesRockefell
03-21-2006, 09:48 PM
:spock: huh?

Is that your defination of rapping?

Shanny had to dish out 3 draft picks to the Falcons. A 1st, a 3rd, and a 4th. Plus, add John Abraham to the Falcons list, that sweetens the whole deal for Atlanta. I'll tell you, Denver is very fortunate for having another pick. A lot of Denver fans should be thanking Dan Snyder right now. Because had it not been for that extra 1st round pick, moving up 14 slots, and having to give up your 1st, 3rd, and 4th rd picks is very risky. There are no guarantees in this league. I have to be willing to give Shanny a lot admiration and respect for being gutsy. Please don't hate me for saying that Chief fans.

Please, a late 3rd this year and a 4th next year is nothing to move up 14 spots in the 1st, especially in a draft like this one.

I hate when people use the online draft charts as anything more than a guide, but Denver should have given up their 2nd and 3rd to move up that much.

Mile High Mania
03-21-2006, 10:17 PM
Another thing ... they traded a #3 this year, but they're going to get at least 1 comp pick late in R3, so it's almost a wash.

Moving up 14 spots in R1... moving down a few in R3 (essentially with the comp pick) and losing a R4 next year. Not too bad... as long as they don't target the next Marcus Nash.

Chiefs Pantalones
03-21-2006, 10:22 PM
Good moves by all the teams involved, IMO.

Garcia Bronco
03-21-2006, 10:23 PM
a fourth next year is considered a 5th this year

Miles
03-21-2006, 10:26 PM
This is one of those trades that seems to be a good move for all parties. ATL needed to increase there offer to top Sea but the #15 was too heavy of a price to pay. They still got their guy and picked up the extra two picks. As much as it hurts to say it, I have to give Denver props for jumping in and using the situation to help themselves out.

Garcia Bronco
03-21-2006, 10:27 PM
And the pick we traded was our natural pick...not the pick from washington. We expect a 3rd for the loss of Hayward as a comp pick. this is just as good as 'Trade '04'

Miles
03-21-2006, 10:28 PM
a fourth next year is considered a 5th this year

Pretty much. Even a 3rd and 5th this year wouldnt have been a bad deal for ATL given their situation.

milkman
03-21-2006, 10:31 PM
actually i'm not talking about the end positive/negative result of the trade. when you take into consideration the players drafted with the picks etc ... it's really hard to judge except waaaaay down the road.

heck, the donks win some lose some there too.


i'm talking about the actually trade at the time

the willie roaf trade might be the best trade the chiefs have ever made

the fujita and truluck trades are decent


but we didn't get enough for the trade down for johnson and we gave up too much for the trade up for sims.


when we pay ... we pay the premium, when we get paid it's almost always lower end.


and that's even when we try .... which isn't often enough


maybe that's why we don't try as much, cause carl knows he sucks.

WTF are you talking about?
Carl's a tough SOB negotiator.

Ask him, he'll tell ya it's true.

Tribal Warfare
03-21-2006, 10:36 PM
getting Bunkley or Hali seems more plausable now

PBJ PBJ

HerculesRockefell
03-21-2006, 10:38 PM
getting Bunkley or Hali seems more plausable now

PBJ PBJ

For KC? Cleveland doesn't seem to think Bunkley will last until their spot at 12, and I doubt Denver will pass on him if he's there at 15. Hali might make it though.

SNR
03-21-2006, 11:52 PM
and we are the exact opposite....


even when we aren't asleep at the wheel when deals are going on, we usually get the short end of the stick by just a little bit. Not usually enough to get attention and embarrassment from the media. But 99% of the time we get the short side of the deal.

it adds up over time.I can see the next Blob Gretz article:

"Blah blah blah Carl Peterson is a misunderstood genious blah blah blah Chiefs fans who don't agree with Carl are and idiots blah blah blah you don't build a football team by drafting with other teams' draft picks, you build a team using your own draft picks... blah blah blah... these draft pick trades look good on the outside, but on this inside they are fatal mistakes. Praise Carl!"

Mile High Mania
03-22-2006, 07:07 AM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4561032,00.html


I had forgotten that the trade with Washington last year was a 3 for 1, Denver trading their R1 for a 2005 R3, 2006 R1 and a 2006 R4.

The Broncos have seven picks in the April 29-30 draft: two each in the first and fourth rounds and one each in the second, fifth and sixth rounds. They will also likely have another 1 or 2 comp picks in the mid rounds.

So, they can still do a lot on draft day... granted, they've had more than their share of misfires in the draft.

TEX
03-22-2006, 08:05 AM
actually i'm not talking about the end positive/negative result of the trade. when you take into consideration the players drafted with the picks etc ... it's really hard to judge except waaaaay down the road.

heck, the donks win some lose some there too.


i'm talking about the actually trade at the time

the willie roaf trade might be the best trade the chiefs have ever made

the fujita and truluck trades are decent


but we didn't get enough for the trade down for johnson and we gave up too much for the trade up for sims.


when we pay ... we pay the premium, when we get paid it's almost always lower end.


and that's even when we try .... which isn't often enough


maybe that's why we don't try as much, cause carl knows he sucks.


The one I'll never get over is the draft day trade for Victor Bailey some years ago. The Welbourn deal also $ucked.

ct
03-22-2006, 09:53 AM
Falcons were desperate to make this deal, and Denver stepped in to take advantage.

Atlanta gets a 3rd and 4th next year to move down 14 spots to the end of round 1? Wow, you guys got screwed! And with Denver now holding 15 and 25, we got screwed too!

Side note, the JETS now have 4 and 29, I think they are moving up to 2 now.

vailpass
03-22-2006, 10:08 AM
Looks like youth, especially at WR or RB, is the focus of the moment for Denver. Both are spots of need.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3625810

"What kind of players can the Broncos expect to have at their perusal with the No. 15 pick?

"What 15 allows them to do that 22 and 29 wouldn't is get a wide receiver," NFL draft guru Mel Kiper Jr. said. "This deal is all about the guy Denver wants is not going to be there at 22."

Kiper and many others consider Florida's Chad Jackson, the fastest man at the NFL scouting combine last month, and Ohio State's Santonio Holmes the top receivers in this year's draft. The Broncos bid on free- agent receiver Terrell Owens before he signed with the Dallas Cowboys on Saturday for considerably more money.

Denver also tried to sign running back Jamal Lewis before he re-upped with Baltimore last week. If the Broncos want to use the No. 15 pick on a running back who can compete with Tatum Bell and Ron Dayne this season, LenDale White of Southern Cal and Chatfield High School, DeAngelo Williams of Memphis and Minnesota's Laurence Maroney are among the possibilities.

This trade will address two concerns for the Broncos: One, there are more than a few freckles of gray sprouting on their team's nucleus. Rod Smith, Tom Nalen, John Lynch and Al Wilson figure to have more NFL seasons behind them than ahead. The Broncos could use a youth infusion, even as they try to take that next step from their 2005 season, when they earned home-field advantage in the AFC championship game.

The Broncos, meanwhile, hope to offset the loss of their middle-round pick in this year's draft after they receive at least one, and possibly two, picks from the league as compensation for losing Reggie Hayward and Kenoy Kennedy to free agency last season.

When the draft commences April 29, the Broncos will have two first-round draft picks, plus selections in the second and third rounds."

oldandslow
03-22-2006, 11:08 AM
The one I'll never get over is the draft day trade for Victor Bailey some years ago. The Welbourn deal also $ucked.

Yes it did. Hell, we should have kept Tait and paid him the salary cap money that we didn't spend on anyone else.

The OL is beginning to be a concern.

The defense is a concern.

The WR's are a concern.

FB is a concern.

Heck, other than Trent, Tony, and the RB position this entire team seems to be degrading.

SNR
03-22-2006, 11:22 AM
The one I'll never get over is the draft day trade for Victor Bailey some years ago. The Welbourn deal also $ucked.Don't you mean Victor Riley?

Mile High Mania
03-22-2006, 11:55 AM
Falcons were desperate to make this deal, and Denver stepped in to take advantage.

Atlanta gets a 3rd and 4th next year to move down 14 spots to the end of round 1? Wow, you guys got screwed! And with Denver now holding 15 and 25, we got screwed too!

Side note, the JETS now have 4 and 29, I think they are moving up to 2 now.

Denver did all right with the last two draft related trades.

Traded their R1 (mid 20's) last year to WAS for a R3 pick in 2005, the R1 pick (22) this year and a R4 pick this year. 3 for 1.

Then this year, they keep the #22 pick from WAS ... send their #29 pick this year to ATL, along with a R3 pick this year and a R4 pick next year. 1 for 3, but that one is the #15 ... giving them two picks in the top 22.

Add to this that while they lose the R3 pick this year, they're going to get at least 1, maybe 2 comp picks in R3 or R4... they're not losing much this year.

Didn't they also get Bailey and a draft pick for Portis the year before? They certainly can trade picks well, they just need to draft better.

Iowanian
03-22-2006, 12:07 PM
Don't you mean Victor Riley?

I'm pretty sure he meant Bailey....the Chiefs traded a 2nd round Pick(if I recall correctly) to Philly for a WR named Victor bailey in the mid-late 90s. He sucked and never saw the field that I recall.

Mr. Laz
03-22-2006, 12:19 PM
Falcons were desperate to make this deal, and Denver stepped in to take advantage.

why didn't we step in and take advantage?

wolfpack0735
03-22-2006, 12:29 PM
as much as i hate to say it,at least the donks are trying to get better. by the draft or signing someone,they are trying.

Bowser
03-22-2006, 12:43 PM
I'm pretty sure he meant Bailey....the Chiefs traded a 2nd round Pick(if I recall correctly) to Philly for a WR named Victor bailey in the mid-late 90s. He sucked and never saw the field that I recall.


Correct. His career as a Chief?

2 catches for 12 yards.

phxchief
03-22-2006, 02:02 PM
Davis has always been a Top 10. Kiper said he graded out as his best TE ever, and this was before the Combine.

Where did you read that?

I haven't seen Kiper or anyone put Davis in Winslows' class and that's POST-combine where Davis made his name.

He's quickly becoming the most overrated player in draft history. Dude runs fast, benches a lot and has size. How's Matt Jones working out for the Jags? Next coming of God? Hardly.

Davis is certainly more polished than him, but he isn't half the TE prospect Winslow was or is.

phxchief
03-22-2006, 02:05 PM
For KC? Cleveland doesn't seem to think Bunkley will last until their spot at 12, and I doubt Denver will pass on him if he's there at 15. Hali might make it though.

Definitely agree with that, though.

Bunk IS the next coming of god.

Or Kevin Williams, at LEAST. :)