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Amnorix
03-23-2006, 11:30 AM
Wow. Just wow.

"Weve already seen the disastrous effect doling out top dollar for BIG NAME PLAYER can have on your roster. The Colts have now tied up more than 30 percent of their salary cap in just four players: a quarterback, two receivers and a kicker.

The salary-cap numbers for Peyton Manning, Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison vary according to different reports. And the Colts have been in arbitration over these contracts as they attempt to massage the numbers and minimize the hit this season. But it seems certain that these three players, along with Vinatieri, will eat up more than $30 million of $104 million in cap space in 2006."

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=747&Category=1

Mr. Laz
03-23-2006, 11:32 AM
and yet they are still more active than us. :(

JBucc
03-23-2006, 11:33 AM
We'll see how they do without defenses biting on every play fake since Edge is gone

Amnorix
03-23-2006, 11:34 AM
and yet they are still more active than us. :(

Well, they lost Edge, and I'm definitely not sure that the guys they've signed have offset that appreciably.

FAX
03-23-2006, 11:35 AM
The colts have employed a "win now" strategy, Mr. Laz. Unfortunately, this causes cap problems and animosity among the players.

Our "win never" approach keeps everybody happy.

FAX

the Talking Can
03-23-2006, 11:38 AM
at least they visit the playoffs....

Woodrow Call
03-23-2006, 11:38 AM
The colts have employed a "win now" strategy, Mr. Laz. Unfortunately, this causes cap problems and animosity among the players.

Our "win never" approach keeps everybody happy.

FAX

ROFL

Mr. Laz
03-23-2006, 11:39 AM
The colts have employed a "win now" strategy, Mr. Laz. Unfortunately, this causes cap problems and animosity among the players.

Our "win never" approach keeps everybody happy.

FAX
clever as usual, Mr. Fax


hehe :)

jspchief
03-23-2006, 11:41 AM
at least they visit the playoffs....This team really needs a couple of 3 and 4 win seasons to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

Amnorix
03-23-2006, 11:44 AM
at least they visit the playoffs....


Sure. They step right up and take it like a man from whatever team with an ability to play defense is on the field against 'em...

http://www.obleek.com/stuff/ww2ol/pwned/pwned6.jpg

Calcountry
03-23-2006, 01:13 PM
Wow. Just wow.

"Weve already seen the disastrous effect doling out top dollar for BIG NAME PLAYER can have on your roster. The Colts have now tied up more than 30 percent of their salary cap in just four players: a quarterback, two receivers and a kicker.

The salary-cap numbers for Peyton Manning, Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison vary according to different reports. And the Colts have been in arbitration over these contracts as they attempt to massage the numbers and minimize the hit this season. But it seems certain that these three players, along with Vinatieri, will eat up more than $30 million of $104 million in cap space in 2006."

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=747&Category=1

Didn't Peyton say they had "protection issues"?

pikesome
03-23-2006, 01:17 PM
Didn't Peyton say they had "protection issues"?

See Sig :thumb:

ENDelt260
03-23-2006, 03:19 PM
Did anyone notice this from the linked article?

Yes, we know, New England fans, that Vinatieri helped you win three Super Bowls. We know he authored the greatest and most poetic kick in NFL history a do-or-die snowy roller through a near-blinding blizzard. We know hes perhaps the greatest clutch kicker in the history of the game. We know hell probably be the second kicker inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. It's an honor he deserves even if he never plays another game.

(emphasis mine)

Does the general consensus agree with those two statements?

FAX
03-23-2006, 03:22 PM
I have no idea how he stacks up against other kickers past/present. Points? Percentage? Binge Drinking?

As I recall, it's somewhat difficult for any kicker to make to the hall, isn't it, Mr. ENDelt260?

FAX

Mile High Mania
03-23-2006, 03:24 PM
Did anyone notice this from the linked article?



(emphasis mine)

Does the general consensus agree with those two statements?

There are a number of kickers that deserve to go to the HOF... I think it's silly to ignore the fact that even though they are "kickers" there are a whole lot of big games that have been won and lost thanks to a kicker.

ENDelt260
03-23-2006, 03:28 PM
I'm not saying kickers don't deserve to go to the Hall... I'm questioning the two facts I highlighted. Have Vinatieri's accomplishments to this point really surpassed every other place kicker so much so that he *deserves* to be the second kicker inducted even if he retires today? Where does he stand on career points scored? Or FG percentage? Because he's made a couple clutch kicks in huge games he's a HOF kicker far above the others? Lots of kickers make clutch kicks in big games.

FAX
03-23-2006, 03:38 PM
But do they make clutch kicks in big games with a hangover that would bring Judge Judy to her knobby knees, Mr. ENDelt260?

I think not.

FAX

ENDelt260
03-23-2006, 03:40 PM
I do not even want to understand the sort of mind that connects alcohol consumption with Judge Judy on her knees.

el borracho
03-23-2006, 03:42 PM
at least they visit the playoffs....
They might not this year.

Amnorix
03-23-2006, 03:47 PM
Didn't Peyton say they had "protection issues"?


Vinatieri is a strapping big kicker. Maybe he'll play fullback and block for him to help earn his whopping big salary. :D

Amnorix
03-23-2006, 04:00 PM
Did anyone notice this from the linked article?



(emphasis mine)

Does the general consensus agree with those two statements?


First, it is REALLY fugging hard for a kicker or any other specialist to make it into the HOF. Why? Because there is round after round of candidates that eventually get cut down to 15 guys, then down to 6, and then a straight up or down vote on each one. And kickers are lumped right in with all other players. So you'll have years in the future where Vinatieri is competing for a spot with Derrick Thomas (if he STILL isn't in), Faulk, Brady, Manning, etc. etc. That's what makes it frigging impossible for kickers. Compared to "real" players, it's hard to put them in. That's why Steve Tasker has been screwed all these years. He was the best ever at his position, but he'll never get into the HOF.

As for Vinatieri for the Hall arguments:

1. 6th best all-time FG accuracy percentage

2. played in NEW ENGLAND and had that high percentage. Very notable that he wasn't in the Dome, or in Arizona. New freaking England. 6th best all-time. That's impressive.

3. Pats all-time leading scorer -- slightly over 1,000 points (all-time record - Gary Anderson at slightly over 2,000 points)

4. Two SB game winning kicks.

5. Most impressive kick all-time (Raiders Snow Bowl game)

6. 3 time Pro Bowler

7. 19/20 game winning kicks (fugging Chiefs game in 1999 was lone miss)

8. Led NFL in scoring in 2004 (141 points)

That's basically his resume. I really don't know if that'll be enough to get into the HOF. Basically, it's mostly based on his famous kicks, plus an overall strong accuracy record, which should only increase in the Indy dome.