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KCfanfromNC
03-24-2006, 05:19 PM
In my opinion, i don't understand why everyone is so high on drafting Broderick Bunkley. Alright, i understand that he is a monster with great athletic talents, blah blah blah. What everyone needs to understand is, is that Herm Edwards is a defensive guy and is undoubtedly going to have input into the defense. Herm has always ran the Tampa 2 defense, and now with him here, i see us drafting to mold that style of defense, which is fast linebackers, big physical corners and run stopping safties. The biggest thing in the Tampa 2 is pressure on the QB and pressure doesn't come from the interior line in this defense. it comes from the edge rushers and linebackers. DT's in this defense are mainly massive human beings, around 310-350 that just sit and take up the A gaps for run purposes and hold up lineman for blitz packages. All that being said, i dont think we need to spend a 1st rounder on a DT because all they have to do is be huge and take up 1 gap. There are fat DT's all over the NFL that can get the job done in that defense for a heck of a lot less than a 1st rounder. Gabe Watson would be much more suited, hopefully we can get him in the 2nd round. Anyways, thats my shpiel.

HolmeZz
03-24-2006, 05:21 PM
On the contrary, I think. In the Tampa 2, you don't need big space eaters at DT. Tackles that can get into the opposing backfield are more desired. Just look at the Bucs in past years.

Rudy lost the toss
03-24-2006, 05:24 PM
don't forget Herm traded up to get Dwayne Robertson who was supposed to be a pass rushing DT

KCfanfromNC
03-24-2006, 05:25 PM
holmezz, you're thinking of warren sapp, who was just a freak who could eat space and get in the backfield, there hasn't been too many warren sapps in the league. but the space eaters do more than just sit and take up a gap, they also keep the gaurds from getting to the next level and that allows our fast LB's to run free and make a lot of tackles

KCfanfromNC
03-24-2006, 05:26 PM
don't get me wrong, if we draft Broderick Bunkley, im not going to throw the remote through the T.V., i like Broderick Bunkley, i just think we could use our 1st round on positions that could make more of an immediate impact

HolmeZz
03-24-2006, 05:42 PM
holmezz, you're thinking of warren sapp, who was just a freak who could eat space and get in the backfield, there hasn't been too many warren sapps in the league. but the space eaters do more than just sit and take up a gap, they also keep the gaurds from getting to the next level and that allows our fast LB's to run free and make a lot of tackles

No, I'm thinking of Booger McFarland too. The whole idea of the Tampa 2 is playing fast on D. The Bucs never used big DTs. Even with that, have you seen Bunkley lately? He's about 300 lbs. now. He's good enough to play in any system.

You can look at what Indy's doing too. They don't use big DTs.

KCfanfromNC
03-24-2006, 06:00 PM
i said that i like bunkley and id be happy if we got him, what i was saying is that we can be succesful in the Tampa 2 with the DTs we have.......i just would rather us use that pick on other guys, such as cromartie, who is a prototypical cover 2 corner with his size and strength, a pass rushing DE, like kiwi, or i wouldnt mind seeing us get ernie sims or manny lawson if he fell to us, watching kendrell bell last year was painful and with ernie/lawson and DJ, we'd have one of the fastest LB corps in the league

JBucc
03-24-2006, 06:00 PM
Drafting Bunkley would be a terrific pick. I don't care what defense you run big athletic DT's are good.

KCfanfromNC
03-24-2006, 06:02 PM
and i get what you're sayin holmezz about the fast DT's, but i played LB in college and i loved having big, massive DT's in front of me, because i would never get touched and i could make tackles all over the field, cause once you let those fat OL to the second level and get their hands on the LB's its all over, but maybe im just bias cause its my own preference

HolmeZz
03-24-2006, 06:17 PM
That's great, but you brought up the cover 2 scheme. You need good cover-backers if you're going to run that, so big DTs opening holes isn't as meaningful in the cover 2. The Tampa 2 needs DTs who play quick and can make plays in the backfield. It's as simple as that.

As for our current roster, they couldn't play a cover 2. Our line never gets any pressure, with the exception of Allen a few times a game. Our DTs don't make plays. Bunkley would be good for us, he just won't fall that far as it stands right now.

KCfanfromNC
03-24-2006, 06:27 PM
[QUOTE=HolmeZz]That's great, but you brought up the cover 2 scheme. You need good cover-backers if you're going to run that, so big DTs opening holes isn't as meaningful in the cover 2. The Tampa 2 needs DTs who play quick and can make plays in the backfield. It's as simple as that.

you need good cover-backers to run cover 2? well i guess i dont know anything about football then, i thought it was the complete opposite...........just because some teams are successful with fast, smaller DT's, doesn't mean that thats what the Tampa 2 is designed for, and yes, tampa 2 is about playing fast, but so is every other defensive scheme there is, theres not defensive scheme that promotes being slow. i guess all those years of actually playing in the tampa 2 just went over my head, thanks for the lesson

HolmeZz
03-24-2006, 06:30 PM
The Tampa 2 usually has a fast, sometimes small, defensive line. The corners need to be versatile in regards to zone and man-to-man coverage. The LBs need to be fluent in coverage. The safeties need to be fast and good in coverage. They're used to make up for nooks in the defense that the corners can't get to. A lot of teams attack the Cover 2 by throwing out slants because that's the toughest playcall for the safeties to get out and cover.

KCfanfromNC
03-24-2006, 06:37 PM
throwing out slants? do you even know what cover 2 is? yeah, there is a soft spot in between the corner and the saftey but it would take one hell of a throw and excellent timing to fit it in there, the hardest route in the cover 2 for a safety is a seam route down the middle of the field, because the middle of the field is the weakness in cover 2.......tampa 2 is just a variation of basic cover 2, because it sends the middle linebacker running the deep pipe down the middle of the field which changes the weakness to the checkdown route in between the 2 OLB's

HolmeZz
03-24-2006, 06:40 PM
No, the middle of the field is supposed to be covered by your backers.

Have you ever seen Derrick Brooks play? That's the objective of the LB in the cover 2 scheme.

KCfanfromNC
03-24-2006, 06:56 PM
haha, so that's the extent of your knowledge, watching defenses play on t.v.? dude, just trust me on this, i played D1 ball in a cover 2 defense, i didnt watch it on t.v., i know the inner clock works of a cover 2 defense, the weakness in a cover 2 defense is the middle of the field, it's called the "canyon", just trust me on this, just because derrick brooks cut under some routes and gambled and made some picks doesnt mean thats his responsibility. trust me on this, i wouldnt lead a fellow chiefs fan astray

milkman
03-24-2006, 06:57 PM
No, the middle of the field is supposed to be covered by your backers.

Have you ever seen Derrick Brooks play? That's the objective of the LB in the cover 2 scheme.

Com'on HolmeZz, why are you debating with this guy.

I mean, every team in the league playing cover 2 is trying to emulate the Bucs, which uses quicker DTs, and good coverage LBs.

But this guy played LB in college, and certainly has to know what he's talking about, and the NFL teams are clueless.

HolmeZz
03-24-2006, 06:58 PM
You realize the way you played your cover 2 is probably different than the Tampa 2 version?

KCfanfromNC
03-24-2006, 07:02 PM
i played tampa 2, and sidewinder, i never said anything about not using good cover LB's, at no point did i say you use bad cover LB's? i just said that just because tampa bay doesn't use big DT's doesnt mean that thats the text book way for running it, calm down

milkman
03-24-2006, 07:04 PM
i played tampa 2, and sidewinder, i never said anything about not using good cover LB's, at no point did i say you use bad cover LB's? i just said that just because tampa bay doesn't use big DT's doesnt mean that thats the text book way for running it, calm down

I have three words for you.


Your and idiot.

HolmeZz
03-24-2006, 07:05 PM
i played tampa 2, and sidewinder, i never said anything about not using good cover LB's, at no point did i say you use bad cover LB's? i just said that just because tampa bay doesn't use big DT's doesnt mean that thats the text book way for running it, calm down

The Tampa 2 version doesn't use big DTs. That's why it's their own version.

And I question your version of the cover 2 if you say your safeties need to be run stuffers. The reason WHY it's called a cover 2 is because you drop both your safeties deep into zone coverage.

KCfanfromNC
03-24-2006, 07:06 PM
listen, im not tryin to step on your toes holmezz, i was fortunate and blessed enough to play D1 and i enjoyed the X's and O's of the game most of all and studying the game and defensive schemes, playing with small, quick DT's can be done in the Tampa 2 and it can be done successfully, just like in tampa bay and with the colts, all im sayin is, is that my preference is to have bigger DT's

KCfanfromNC
03-24-2006, 07:08 PM
yeah, they do drop into deep coverage in passing situations, but on 1st and 2nd downs they have to be able to be run stoppers, use your example, the colts, look at bob sanders and mike doss, 2 great run stopping safeties in a tampa 2 defense

KCfanfromNC
03-24-2006, 07:09 PM
sidewinder, you're not even in the conversation, do us a favor and beat it, obviously you have nothing to add to the what me and holmezz are talkin about so take a hike, and when you call someone an idiot, learn how to say it, it's 3 words, (you're an idiot) not your and idiot

milkman
03-24-2006, 07:24 PM
sidewinder, you're not even in the conversation, do us a favor and beat it, obviously you have nothing to add to the what me and holmezz are talkin about so take a hike, and when you call someone an idiot, learn how to say it, it's 3 words, (you're an idiot) not your and idiot

STFU n00b.

You don't have a freakin' clue, do you?

KCfanfromNC
03-24-2006, 07:25 PM
also holmezz, let me clarify alittle, when i say the weakness in a cover 2 is the middle of the field i dont mean the entire middle, i mean the middle behind the linebackers drop in between the 2 safeties, sorry if that confused you

KCfanfromNC
03-24-2006, 07:28 PM
you're right sidewinder, i am new to this whole internet forum thing and i dont know a lot, i thought id come on here and talk alittle with people and have some conversations about football, but i do know this, i know more about football and the actual game beyond what you watch from your couch every sunday than you could dream

milkman
03-24-2006, 07:38 PM
you're right sidewinder, i am new to this whole internet forum thing and i dont know a lot, i thought id come on here and talk alittle with people and have some conversations about football, but i do know this, i know more about football and the actual game beyond what you watch from your couch every sunday than you could dream

I don't believe a word of it.

Of course, college grads nowadays can't spell, nor do they have a clue when it comes to sentence structure, especially student athletes.

So, I guess the possibility that you're telling the truth does exist.

KCfanfromNC
03-24-2006, 07:45 PM
haha, i love guys like you sidewinder, when you were in college, you were one of the guys in stands, secretly wishing you could be on the field, but you probably dont have an athletic bone in your body, so you come on the internet chat forum and you're all of a sudden tommy tough nuts, hilarious

milkman
03-24-2006, 07:50 PM
Tommy Toughnuts?

WTF is that.

I am a sarcastic asshole, both in life, and on the net.

It's gotten me in trouble a number of times on the job.

It got me into a boatload of trouble in the Navy.

Spicy McHaggis
03-24-2006, 10:16 PM
Of course, college grads nowadays can't spell, nor do they have a clue when it comes to sentence structure, especially student athletes.

GASP!!! Are you saying that he played D1 ball at Miami?

milkman
03-24-2006, 11:05 PM
GASP!!! Are you saying that he played D1 ball at Miami?

Could have been Dexter Manley's alma mater, OSU.

QuikSsurfer
03-25-2006, 03:10 AM
haha, i love guys like you sidewinder, when you were in college, you were one of the guys in stands, secretly wishing you could be on the field, but you probably dont have an athletic bone in your body, so you come on the internet chat forum and you're all of a sudden tommy tough nuts, hilarious

ignore list.. it makes the planet fun

KCfanfromNC
03-25-2006, 08:14 AM
well sidewinder, i didn't come on here to talk trash or to cause trouble. In person, im sure you're a good guy and we're all chiefs fans, so theres no need to go back and forth bickering and what not. if you want to talk football, im all for it.

jspchief
03-25-2006, 08:27 AM
well sidewinder, i didn't come on here to talk trash or to cause trouble. In person, im sure you're a good guy and we're all chiefs fans, so theres no need to go back and forth bickering and what not. if you want to talk football, im all for it.If I can make a suggestion...

You come in here and start telling people that you know more about football than they do, while bragging about having played D1 football. My first impression is that you're a douche, and I'm guessing a lot of people will get the same first impression.

There's a lot of good football discussion on this board, but also a lot of posters that won't put up with A-holes. Especially A-holes that that are new to the site and go around claiming they are smarter than everyone else.

If you want to get along here, I suggest you tone it down. Maybe you did play D1 ball, and maybe you really do know more than all of us, but most of the people here don't care, don't want to hear about it, or don't believe you.

If you want to talk football and disagree with people, that's great. That's what this place is all about. I just think your current tactics are going to make you a lot of enemies fast.

KCfanfromNC
03-25-2006, 08:42 AM
jspchief, i appreciate your thoughts, and it was not my intent to come on here and brag about the fact that i played college football or that im smarter than everyone else. I'm actually a humble guy if you really want to know the truth, even though i guess ive come off as the complete opposite. I guess sidewinder just got under my skin alittle and i felt i had to fire back, but oh well, im not one for excuses. sorry for acting like a "douche" and the last thing i want is to make any enemies much less a lot of them

milkman
03-25-2006, 11:37 AM
jspchief, i appreciate your thoughts, and it was not my intent to come on here and brag about the fact that i played college football or that im smarter than everyone else. I'm actually a humble guy if you really want to know the truth, even though i guess ive come off as the complete opposite. I guess sidewinder just got under my skin alittle and i felt i had to fire back, but oh well, im not one for excuses. sorry for acting like a "douche" and the last thing i want is to make any enemies much less a lot of them

You came on here and started throwing out all your 'knowledge', like this;

i guess all those years of actually playing in the tampa 2 just went over my head, thanks for the lesson

And making smartass comments like this;

haha, so that's the extent of your knowledge, watching defenses play on t.v.?

Those kind of things just just scream out to me that the person making these posts is a prick, and I tend to call pricks out.

Maybe you're a nice guy and didn't intend to be prickish.
If that's the case, then I apologize for being such a dick myself.

I would suggest, however, that you consider your words more carefully before you type in order to avoid further confrontations of this nature.