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Cochise
04-13-2006, 08:29 AM
linky (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aWzxmYKN1bpY&refer=us)


Libby Says Bush, Cheney Didn't Authorize CIA Agent's Name Leak

April 13 (Bloomberg) -- A former top administration official said President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney authorized him to discuss with reporters intelligence on Iraq's weapons program and didn't authorize leaking a CIA agent's name.

Former Cheney chief of staff I. Lewis ``Scooter'' Libby, in documents filed late last night in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, said Bush and Cheney only authorized him to disclose once-classified details from a National Intelligence Estimate paper that they believed supported the president's claims that Iraq was attempting to buy nuclear material in Niger.

Libby has been indicted on charges of perjury, obstruction of justice and lying to FBI investigators about whether anyone in the administration revealed the identity of former CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson. Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, in an April 5 court filing, tied Bush for the first time to an attempt to counter critics of the March 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, suggesting he used Libby to funnel information to reporters.

Any argument by the government that the case involves only Libby and Cheney's office ``is a fairy tale,'' said the 26-page document filed by Libby's lawyers. ``Mr. Libby's actions were authorized at the highest levels of the executive branch.''

Libby's attorneys made clear they intend to call as a witness Karl Rove, Bush's top political adviser, to testify ``regarding Mr. Libby's conversations with Mr. Rove concerning reporters' inquiries about Ms. Wilson.''

Rove has testified at least three times before the grand jury hearing evidence in the case. He hasn't been charged with any wrongdoing.

Dispute Over Evidence

Fitzgerald and Libby are disputing how many government records, documents and memoranda Cheney's former chief of staff is entitled to as he prepares his defense for his perjury trial in January 2007.

Fitzgerald last week cited Libby's grand jury testimony in asserting that Bush authorized disclosure of classified information on Iraq's weapons program to rebut war critics. The special counsel didn't allege that Bush authorized aides to divulge the identity of Plame.

Libby's lawyers underscored that point in their response last night. ``Consistent with his grand jury testimony, Mr. Libby does not contend that he was instructed to make any disclosures concerning Ms. Wilson by President Bush, Vice President Cheney, or anyone else,'' they said.

The revelation of Plame's identity in a July 2003 newspaper column prompted a Justice Department investigation. Fitzgerald's account didn't suggest Bush violated any rule or law governing the handling of classified material.

Bush has since acknowledged declassifying the document, saying he sought to help counter criticisms of pre-war U.S. intelligence. He acted under an executive order governing the distribution of classified information that President Bill Clinton signed in 1995 and Bush modified in March 2003.

Talks With Reporters

Plame's husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, said in an essay published July 6, 2003 in the New York Times that the administration ``twisted'' some of the intelligence about Iraq's weapons program. Libby, 55, met two days later with Judith Miller, then a Times reporter, to rebut Wilson's questioning of the justification for invading Iraq.

Fitzgerald wrote last week that Libby testified that Cheney ``advised him that the president had authorized defendant to disclose the relevant portions'' of a 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's pursuit of nuclear weapons to Miller.

Libby ``testified that he was specifically authorized in advance of the meeting to disclose the key judgments of the classified NIE to Miller on that occasion because it was thought that the NIE was `pretty definitive' against what Ambassador Wilson had said and that the vice president thought it was `very important' for the key judgments of the NIE to come out,'' Fitzgerald said.

`Background' for Reporter

Cheney also directed Libby on July 12, 2003 to provide ``background'' to Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper about a trip Wilson took in 2002 at the behest of the CIA to investigate claims that Iraq tried to buy nuclear material in Niger, according to Fitzgerald.

Fitzgerald contends that Libby isn't entitled to unlimited access to government files unless he can establish a direct connection to allegations included in the indictments filed against him.

Libby's attorneys said the government has gathered more than 200,000 pages of documents and turned over about 14,000 pages of classified and unclassified records - ``less than 10 percent of the government's file.''

``On numbers alone, the government's document production has been exceptionally meager, and it appears even more paltry and insufficient in light of all of the complicated factual issues in this case,'' Libby's filing stated.

Randall Samborn, a spokesman for Fitzgerald, declined to comment on Libby's response. Calls to the White House weren't immediately returned.

Cochise
04-13-2006, 08:31 AM
I've not really been following this story too closely.

Libby... said Bush and Cheney only authorized him to disclose once-classified details from a National Intelligence Estimate paper [that supported their case for Iraq]

Is this new info?

Chief Henry
04-13-2006, 08:41 AM
I've not really been following this story too closely.

Libby... said Bush and Cheney only authorized him to disclose once-classified details from a National Intelligence Estimate paper [that supported their case for Iraq]

Is this new info?


It doesn't mean anything to the planets Leftwingers anyway :rolleyes:

patteeu
04-13-2006, 08:43 AM
This thread should have been called, "Libby roles over on Taco John... (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=138547)" ROFL


It's telling to me that you can't even be honest when the Democrats wildest dreams come true and you can't admit that it looks bad primafacie.

I understand that you're at a loss for spin right now and so the best you can do is pretend like this isn't even an interesting development, but at least be truthful about it.

Why turn yourself into one of "those" guys?


Maybe you can explain to me why this "looks bad primafacie" and why this represents the "Democrats wildest dreams?"


Connecting Bush to the Plame outing about sums up the Democrats wildest dreams in this case.

Why are you pretending that's not the truth?

Cochise
04-13-2006, 08:49 AM
This thread should have been called, "Libby roles over on Taco John..." ROFL


Connecting Bush to the Plame outing about sums up the Democrats wildest dreams in this case.

Why are you pretending that's not the truth?


:hmmm:

Baby Lee
04-13-2006, 09:02 AM
This thread should have been called, "Libby roles over on Taco John... (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=138547)" ROFL
But teh SPECTRE!!!!!

Radar Chief
04-13-2006, 10:48 AM
This thread should have been called, "Libby roles over on Taco John... (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=138547)" ROFL

:LOL:Youíve had that stored on your hard drive just waitín for the right time to drop that quote and link, havenít ya? :titus:
I think weíve found the DC Titus. ;)

Logical
04-13-2006, 11:45 AM
Wonder what king of pictures Rove has on Libbey that got him to fall on his sword for the administration like that. I bet they are juicy.

patteeu
04-13-2006, 12:05 PM
Wonder what king of pictures Rove has on Libbey that got him to fall on his sword for the administration like that. I bet they are juicy.

Because it must not be the truth if it helps the administration?

Cochise
04-13-2006, 12:32 PM
Because it must not be the truth if it helps the administration?

Eggzactly!

SBK
04-13-2006, 12:36 PM
This is a good thread for a chuckle or 2.

Chief Henry
04-13-2006, 12:43 PM
This reminds me of the gay news reporter story
that was going to bring the administration down.
Remember that one?

Cochise
04-13-2006, 12:49 PM
This reminds me of the gay news reporter story
that was going to bring the administration down.
Remember that one?

The huge gay hooker story that was going to blow the white house apart... I remember... that one didn't have legs.

Radar Chief
04-13-2006, 01:05 PM
The huge gay hooker story that was going to blow the white house

:LOL: Punny. ROFL

mlyonsd
04-13-2006, 01:08 PM
Wonder what king of pictures Rove has on Libbey that got him to fall on his sword for the administration like that. I bet they are juicy.

Wonder why Fitzgerald would be so vague in his April 5th court filing? So much that he'd need to submit an ammendment that was so obvious to the core of the case.

Logical
04-13-2006, 03:32 PM
Because it must not be the truth if it helps the administration?
I am not saying that, I am saying I figure Libby must be vulnerable or he would not be rolling over on himself so he will end up taking the full heat for outing her. Oh well I hope Bubba butt****s him till he bleeds to death. Cause whether he did it or whether he is covering for someone who authorized him to do it, he deserves whatever old Bubba can do to him.

Taco John
04-13-2006, 11:45 PM
Oh yeah... This is a huge win for Bush... Libby clears Bush, and then implicates his top political genius and his press seceratary. With wins like this, who needs losses?

patteeu
04-14-2006, 08:23 AM
I am not saying that, I am saying I figure Libby must be vulnerable or he would not be rolling over on himself so he will end up taking the full heat for outing her. Oh well I hope Bubba butt****s him till he bleeds to death. Cause whether he did it or whether he is covering for someone who authorized him to do it, he deserves whatever old Bubba can do to him.

He's not taking any heat for outing Plame. The special prosecutor has all but proclaimed that there was no crime related to the outing of Plame.

patteeu
04-14-2006, 08:26 AM
Oh yeah... This is a huge win for Bush... Libby clears Bush, and then implicates his top political genius and his press seceratary. With wins like this, who needs losses?

You're way ahead of me on this story (probably because you read the Raw Story website), so maybe you wouldn't mind explaining how he's implicated Bush's "top political genius and his press secretary" in anything?

Mr. Laz
04-14-2006, 11:56 AM
and if libby had said Bush/Cheney told him to leak plame then the righties would of said he was a liar.

:shrug:

CHIEF4EVER
04-14-2006, 02:24 PM
You're way ahead of me on this story (probably because you read the Raw Story website), so maybe you wouldn't mind explaining how he's implicated Bush's "top political genius and his press secretary" in anything?

ROFL

You'll find the complete story at www.imakeshitupasigo.org (http://www.imakeshitupasigo.org)

patteeu
04-14-2006, 04:09 PM
and if libby had said Bush/Cheney told him to leak plame then the righties would of said he was a liar.

:shrug:

I would have said that if the President decided that disclosure of her identity was in the national interest then the disclosure is not only OK, but desireable.

Cochise
04-14-2006, 04:13 PM
ROFL

You'll find the complete story at www.imakeshitupasigo.org (http://www.imakeshitupasigo.org)

ROFL

But what does crooksandliars say about this???

dirk digler
04-14-2006, 04:18 PM
You're way ahead of me on this story (probably because you read the Raw Story website), so maybe you wouldn't mind explaining how he's implicated Bush's "top political genius and his press secretary" in anything?

I think he was referring to the filing by Libby yesterday or the day before that pointed the finger at Rove and Ari Fleischer that leaked the name.

I could be wrong about that but that is what they were talking on the news yesterday evening.

patteeu
04-14-2006, 04:37 PM
I think he was referring to the filing by Libby yesterday or the day before that pointed the finger at Rove and Ari Fleischer that leaked the name.

I could be wrong about that but that is what they were talking on the news yesterday evening.

Did he? I haven't heard that. Do you have a link? If not, no problem, I'm sure Taco John will be back with one at some point.

jiveturkey
04-14-2006, 04:40 PM
This whole thing is getting stupid and I have lost interest.

What's next on the agenda?

dirk digler
04-14-2006, 04:52 PM
Here is the filling Patteeu

http://www.scooterlibby.org/news/briefs/041206_defense_reply_brief.pdf

Part of Ari's

Ari Fleischer. The government states that it intends to call former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer to testify about a conversation with Mr. Libby, during which Ms. Wilsonís identity was allegedly discussed. Again, as with Mr. Grossman, the defense has the right to challenge this allegation and investigate when and how Mr. Fleischer learned of Ms. Wilsonís employment. The government has admitted that ďmultiple officials in the White House discussed her employment with reporters prior to (and after) July 14,Ē and the defense has the right to explore whether any of these other officials may also have discussed Ms. Wilson with Mr. Fleischer.

patteeu
04-14-2006, 05:03 PM
Here is the filling Patteeu

http://www.scooterlibby.org/news/briefs/041206_defense_reply_brief.pdf

Part of Ari's

Thanks Dirk. I read through the parts pertaining to Fleischer and Rove and Taco is overstating the case as usual. Libby isn't fingering these two, he's referencing the government's own filings and suggesting that he has reason to find out what part these two guys played in the process so that he's on the same footing as the prosecution.

dirk digler
04-14-2006, 05:10 PM
Thanks Dirk. I read through the parts pertaining to Fleischer and Rove and Taco is overstating the case as usual. Libby isn't fingering these two, he's referencing the government's own filings and suggesting that he has reason to find out what part these two guys played in the process so that he's on the same footing as the prosecution.

I don't know patteeu..It seems Libby's attorneys are trying to muddy the water and say that maybe Ari or Mark Grossman or Rove told a reporter first. Of course any good defense attorney should do that.

In addition, Mr. Fleischer may have learned about Ms.
Wilsonís identity from someone at the State Department or the CIA. The defense therefore needs access to any documents discussing Mr. Wilson, his wife, or his trip to Niger that may be found in the White House or at other agencies. Such documents are needed to investigate properly when and how Mr. Fleischer learned that Ms. Wilson worked for the CIA and when and with whom (other than Mr. Libby) he discussed that fact.

That sounds alot like they trying to establish that Ari may have had a hand in this. That is just me though.

Or if that doesn't then this does

Press accounts suggest that Mr. Fleischer may have learned about Ms. Wilson during his trip to Africa after seeing it in a classified report sent to Mr. Powell on Air Force One and then disclosed this information to reporters.

go bowe
04-14-2006, 05:13 PM
libby, liddy...

interesting...

patteeu
04-15-2006, 08:13 AM
I don't know patteeu..It seems Libby's attorneys are trying to muddy the water and say that maybe Ari or Mark Grossman or Rove told a reporter first. Of course any good defense attorney should do that.



That sounds alot like they trying to establish that Ari may have had a hand in this. That is just me though.

Or if that doesn't then this does

I agree with what you are saying, but that's different than what Taco John said.

Oh yeah... This is a huge win for Bush... Libby clears Bush, and then implicates his top political genius and his press seceratary. With wins like this, who needs losses?

Libby isn't implicating Rove or Fleischer with that filing. He's saying they could have been involved and he wants the same opportunity to investigate that possibility that the prosecutor had. He want's access to the documents.

the Talking Can
04-15-2006, 09:52 AM
Oh yeah... This is a huge win for Bush... Libby clears Bush, and then implicates his top political genius and his press seceratary. With wins like this, who needs losses?

no, no, no....it's all just a wacky coincidence....happens all the time, really...also, politicians frequently "forget" things, they don't lie...that's what happened to Libby...he just "forgot" to tell the truth to a grand jury...ask patteeu, he'll tell you...

Cheney Authorized Leak Of CIA Report, Libby Says

By Murray Waas, National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
Friday, April 14, 2006

Vice President Dick Cheney directed his then-chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, on July 12, 2003 to leak to the media portions of a then-highly classified CIA report that Cheney hoped would undermine the credibility of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, a critic of the Bush administration's Iraq policy, according to Libby's grand jury testimony in the CIA leak case and sources who have read the classified report.


The March 2002 intelligence report was a debriefing of Wilson by the CIA's Directorate of Operations after Wilson returned from a CIA-sponsored mission to Niger to investigate claims, later proved to be unfounded, that Saddam Hussein had attempted to procure uranium from the African nation, according to government records.

The debriefing report made no mention of Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, then a covert CIA officer, or any role she may have played in her husband's selection by the CIA to go to Niger, according to two people who have read the report.

The previously unreported grand jury testimony is significant because only hours after Cheney reportedly instructed Libby to disclose information from the CIA report, Libby divulged to then-New York Times reporter Judith Miller and Time magazine correspondent Matthew Cooper that Plame was a CIA officer, and that she been involved in selecting her husband for the Niger mission.

Both Libby and Cheney have repeatedly insisted that the vice president never encouraged, directed, or authorized Libby to disclose Plame's identity. In a court filing on April 12, Libby's attorneys reiterated: "Consistent with his grand jury testimony, Mr. Libby does not contend that he was instructed to make any disclosures concerning Ms. Wilson [Plame] by President Bush, Vice President Cheney, or anyone else."

But the disclosure that Cheney instructed Libby to leak portions of a classified CIA report on Joseph Wilson adds to a growing body of information showing that at the time Plame was outed as a covert CIA officer the vice president was deeply involved in the White House effort to undermine her husband....

... Moreover, on July 12, 2003, the same day that Libby spoke to both Cooper and Miller, Libby and Cheney traveled aboard Air Force Two for the dedication of a new aircraft carrier in Norfolk, Va. During the flight either to or from Norfolk, Cheney, Libby, and Cathie Martin, then-assistant to the vice president for public affairs, discussed how they might rebut Wilson's charges and discredit him, according to federal court records, and interviews with people with first-hand knowledge of accounts that all three provided to federal investigators.

It has long been known that Cheney was among the first people in the government to tell Libby that Plame worked for the CIA. The federal indictment of Libby -- who has been charged with five counts of obstruction of justice, perjury, and making false statements to federal investigators in the CIA leak case -- states: "On or about June 12, 2003, Libby was advised by the Vice President of the United States that Wilson's wife worked at the Central Intelligence Agency in the Counterproliferation Division. Libby understood that the Vice President had learned this information from the CIA."


Murray Waas (http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0414nj3.htm)

Chiefs Express
04-15-2006, 10:24 AM
I am not saying that, I am saying I figure Libby must be vulnerable or he would not be rolling over on himself so he will end up taking the full heat for outing her. Oh well I hope Bubba butt****s him till he bleeds to death. Cause whether he did it or whether he is covering for someone who authorized him to do it, he deserves whatever old Bubba can do to him.

What you are saying is that if Libby found out that someone was putting out lies, or mis-statements, regarding something he said that he can't be an honorable man and correct the situation?

Why is it that you have to believe the worst about the administration regardless of anything that has been found to be truth? Your ability to speculate in the negative has really taken a turn for the worse, you are slipping.

dirk digler
04-15-2006, 10:39 AM
I agree with what you are saying, but that's different than what Taco John said.



Libby isn't implicating Rove or Fleischer with that filing. He's saying they could have been involved and he wants the same opportunity to investigate that possibility that the prosecutor had. He want's access to the documents.

Yep I totally agree with what you are saying.