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OnTheWarpath58
04-15-2006, 06:02 PM
Don't let the door hit you in your cheatin' ass on the way out.....

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5508196

Bonds threatens to quit if bone chips worsen

FOXSports.com
Posted: 1 hour ago

The problems continue to pile on for Giants outfielder Barry Bonds. The latest setback for the embattled slugger is bone chips in his left elbow.

Bonds told MLB.com that he has "10 to 12 bone chips floating" in his left elbow, which he revealed is swollen to "almost twice the size" of his other elbow.

"I'm going to keep playing until it blows up," Bonds told MLB.com. "If I have to have a procedure, then I'm done. Finished. That would be it."

This health issue came just a day after it was revealed that a federal grand jury is investigating whether Bonds committed perjury when he testified in 2003 that he never used steroids.

Bonds said he felt his elbow pop during a spring training batting practice session in March. He underwent an MRI and was examined at the time by Dr. Ken Akizuki, the Giants orthopedic surgeon, and Dr. Lewis Yocum, the Giants' and Angels' orthopedic specialist, who oversaw Bonds' recovery from last year's three surgeries on his right knee. The Giants said Bonds was diagnosed with inflammation in the elbow, and Bonds missed about a week of action.

On Friday, head trainer Stan Conte acknowledged to MLB.com that the inflammation was caused by bone chips in the elbow. Conte was able to speak about the injury after getting clearance from Bonds, who controls his own flow of medical information to the media, the trainer said.

"He does have bone chips," Conte told MLB.com. "We knew that after he took the MRI during spring training. He does have it, and he's going to have intermittent discomfort with that. A lot of players have those. We know from spring training that he gets irritated from time to time. There's nothing we can do except keep an eye on it."

Bonds, who will be 42 on July 24, has wavered about whether he plans to return next season. Bonds is chasing Hank Aaron's home run record, was granted immunity to testify truthfully before a grand jury in December 2003 investigating a Northern California steroid distribution ring based at the company called the Bay Area Laboratory Cooperative, or BALCO.

According to excerpts of testimony previously reported by the San Francisco Chronicle, Bonds testified that he used a clear substance and a cream given to him by a trainer convicted in the case, but said he didn't know they were steroids.

Bonds testified that Greg Anderson, his personal trainer, told him the substances were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and an arthritis balm.

Anderson and three others, including BALCO founder Victor Conte, have pleaded guilty to distribution charges.

Bonds is hitting just .167 with no home runs this season.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

banyon
04-15-2006, 06:03 PM
convenient.

pikesome
04-15-2006, 06:05 PM
Must have gotten some sand someplace irritating.

Sure-Oz
04-15-2006, 06:10 PM
He's still one of the best players ever regardless of the roids, he still was on his way to that type of career, may have no broken the HR record though, but neither would've Mcgwire.

Bowser
04-15-2006, 06:10 PM
He'll pass Babe Ruth by 1 home run, then retire. Unless of course he's not in jail before that happens.

pikesome
04-15-2006, 06:26 PM
He's still one of the best players ever regardless of the roids, he still was on his way to that type of career, may have no broken the HR record though, but neither would've Mcgwire.

Can I just disagree and we'll leave it at that?

Phobia
04-15-2006, 06:35 PM
He's still one of the best players ever regardless of the roids, he still was on his way to that type of career, may have no broken the HR record though, but neither would've Mcgwire.

Who are you, his agent? Bonds was a fast outfielder but became a legendary power hitter due to the roids. Pretending otherwise seems naive to me.

Count Zarth
04-15-2006, 06:37 PM
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6122/barrybonds2oc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2267/bonds7jx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

BigMeatballDave
04-15-2006, 06:39 PM
He's still one of the best players ever regardless of the roids, he still was on his way to that type of career, may have no broken the HR record though, but neither would've Mcgwire.
:bong:

jAZ
04-15-2006, 06:46 PM
Does anyone think that without steroids, Barry Bonds would have been a HOFer like George Brett (great hitter, good home runs, long career)... but nothing more than that?

Blackened
04-15-2006, 07:01 PM
Makes you wonder if the Feds told him..You go away and we can make this other thing go away..But then again, why bone chips? Wouldn't he just blame it on the knee?

BigMeatballDave
04-15-2006, 07:04 PM
Does anyone think that without steroids, Barry Bonds would have been a HOFer like George Brett (great hitter, good home runs, long career)... but nothing more than that?Pretty much.

Blackened
04-15-2006, 07:09 PM
Does anyone think that without steroids, Barry Bonds would have been a HOFer like George Brett (great hitter, good home runs, long career)... but nothing more than that?


Who's to say? When Barry started useing in 1999 he was already the ONLY 400-400 guy, and the ONLY 3 time MVP.

Would he have hit 73 in one year? No
Would he have gone on to win four more MVPs? No
Hit another 300 HRs? Not

Mentioned as one of the all time greats? Absolutely.

Amnorix
04-15-2006, 07:14 PM
So is it bad to hope that floating bone chips is really a misdiagnosis of some kind of horrendous cancer that causes lingering death...?

Amnorix
04-15-2006, 07:20 PM
Who's to say? When Barry started useing in 1999 he was already the ONLY 400-400 guy, and the ONLY 3 time MVP.

Would he have hit 73 in one year? No
Would he have gone on to win four more MVPs? No
Hit another 300 HRs? Not

Mentioned as one of the all time greats? Absolutely.

You're wrong on many levels.

3 time MVPs: Double XX, Berra, Mantle, STan the Man, Campanella, Schmidt.

Without the 'roids, Bonds goes down as a solid HOFer, but not a super-elite like Ruth, Williams, Musial, Gehrig, Mantle, DiMaggio, etc.

One of the all-time greats? No. Wouldn't be a starting outfielder on the all-time baseball team. Would he make it as a top 25 if you asked 50 years from now, assuming no 'roids? Hard to say, but I kinda doubt it.

But it doesn't matter now. Justice requires that he been indicted for perjury, banned from baseball, his name stricken from teh books for all time, and that he be hit by a frickin' bus...

Sure-Oz
04-15-2006, 08:14 PM
Who are you, his agent? Bonds was a fast outfielder but became a legendary power hitter due to the roids. Pretending otherwise seems naive to me.
So you think bonds would not have been a good player if he wasn't on roids? It's funny how no one gets on Mcgwires case, would've he been the legendary power hitter as well or just a Dan Johnson? I am no fan of bonds but he probably would've had a great career even without roids.

BigMeatballDave
04-15-2006, 09:02 PM
So you think bonds would not have been a good player if he wasn't on roids? It's funny how no one gets on Mcgwires case, would've he been the legendary power hitter as well or just a Dan Johnson? I am no fan of bonds but he probably would've had a great career even without roids.No doubt he would've had a great career, just not a 700+ HR career. Certainly no 73 homer season. 'Roids turned him from a George Brett, Tony Gwynn, Kirby Puckett type player, to an Aaron, Ruth like great...

JBucc
04-15-2006, 09:04 PM
Nothing a 95 mph fastball couldn't fix

4th and Long
04-15-2006, 09:10 PM
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6122/barrybonds2oc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2267/bonds7jx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Yeah, he's not on the roids. BTW, you forgot to post his rookie card.

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/5202/barrybonds0vq.jpg

tk13
04-15-2006, 09:21 PM
You know, I hadn't actually read this article. Not that he's in great health, but the writer of this story makes it sound worse than it is. Gotta watch that. I read an article on this earlier, and Bonds also said that he believes he'll be able to keep playing and that people have played with bone chips. I don't know, the other article I read sounded like he just talked about it, said he had the problem, people play with it, he thinks he'll be able to play with it, but if it blows up and he has to have surgery and miss a lot of time, he'll probably just retire. This article makes it all sound a little more dramatic. But that's FOX for you... IN YOUR FACE, RIGHT NOW, TEMPTATION ISLAND IDOL, GET NAKED! YEAAAAH.

KCChiefsFan88
04-15-2006, 09:24 PM
[QUOTE=OnTheWarpath58]

Bonds threatens to quit if bone chips worsen [QUOTE]

I love how Bonds considers his decision to possibly quit a "threat". The only people this would be a threat to are Pedro Gomez and the rest of the Bonds-obsessed ESPN cronies.

Mecca
04-15-2006, 09:33 PM
I think it's funny how people hate Bonds, this is what baseball gets for not testing for steroids. Bonds would have been a 500 HR guy without roids so to act like the roids are the only reason he hit any HR's is ridiculous.

Garcia Bronco
04-15-2006, 09:35 PM
You're wrong on many levels.

3 time MVPs: Double XX, Berra, Mantle, STan the Man, Campanella, Schmidt.

Without the 'roids, Bonds goes down as a solid HOFer, but not a super-elite like Ruth, Williams, Musial, Gehrig, Mantle, DiMaggio, etc.

One of the all-time greats? No. Wouldn't be a starting outfielder on the all-time baseball team. Would he make it as a top 25 if you asked 50 years from now, assuming no 'roids? Hard to say, but I kinda doubt it.

But it doesn't matter now. Justice requires that he been indicted for perjury, banned from baseball, his name stricken from teh books for all time, and that he be hit by a frickin' bus...

Baseball has been popping pills since the 50's..the record book is already tainted...so who else gets tossed out?

tk13
04-15-2006, 09:39 PM
Baseball has been popping pills since the 50's..the record book is already tainted...so who else gets tossed out?
Here you go again. Trying to bash baseball and it's records while saying nothing about football and the 70's Steelers and their steroid tainted titles. But those count, because you like football.

tk13
04-15-2006, 09:42 PM
Or not to mention your precious Bronco teams, that worked hand in hand with Balco Labs....

Garcia Bronco
04-15-2006, 09:46 PM
Here you go again. Trying to bash baseball and it's records while saying nothing about football and the 70's Steelers and their steroid tainted titles. But those count, because you like football.


I don't care...I don't think any of them are cheaters for it, 70's Steelers included.....I just can't let people delude themselves with their Bond hate when in fact it's the majority of baseball players since the 50's. Anyone who speaks against Bonds is a hyprcrite, plain and simple in that regard. I think these athletes should be able to use whatever advantage is available to them. But to call out Bonds and not call out the rest is hypocritical. The reason people dog Bonds is because they don't like him for one reason or another and really doesn't have anything to do with steroids...at least...if they're being honest with themselves.

Blackened
04-15-2006, 09:49 PM
You're wrong on many levels.

3 time MVPs: Double XX, Berra, Mantle, STan the Man, Campanella, Schmidt.

Without the 'roids, Bonds goes down as a solid HOFer, but not a super-elite like Ruth, Williams, Musial, Gehrig, Mantle, DiMaggio, etc.

One of the all-time greats? No. Wouldn't be a starting outfielder on the all-time baseball team. Would he make it as a top 25 if you asked 50 years from now, assuming no 'roids? Hard to say, but I kinda doubt it.

But it doesn't matter now. Justice requires that he been indicted for perjury, banned from baseball, his name stricken from teh books for all time, and that he be hit by a frickin' bus...


:drool: My bad...of course those guys have three as well...
I think the bottom line is we will never know how many players were on the juice in the late 90s. I believe it was more than half..and it wasn't just the hitters.

But in Barrys case it transformed him from the best player in the game, to the best player of all time..

Garcia Bronco
04-15-2006, 09:50 PM
I also enjoy the pictures from 20 years ago. Like that means anything. Let's say he didn't use steroids...he could still lift and reach the potential he's at now. This is an indication that the people posting these pictures don't understand how steroids work.

Count Zarth
04-15-2006, 09:51 PM
Athletes using steroids sets a bad example for kids. Steroids are dangerous. That is the only reason why steroids should not be used and it is more than enough IMO.

Garcia Bronco
04-15-2006, 09:58 PM
Athletes using steroids sets a bad example for kids. Steroids are dangerous. That is the only reason why steroids should not be used and it is more than enough IMO.

No...like anything.. the abuse of steroids is bad. Using steroids under proper medical supervision is perfectly fine and prescribed daily. People just need to exercise some discipline and control when they use them. Easier said....

As far as the kids...it's no different than pot, H, X, and Coke...you have to teach your kids not to do it. It's a common practice for some parents to get their kids human growth hormone when they don't need it, but so they'll be bigger and stronger....wrap your mind around that...

luv
04-15-2006, 10:01 PM
No...like anything.. the abuse of steroids is bad. Using steroids under proper medical supervision is perfectly fine and prescribed daily. People just need to exercise some discipline and control when they use them. Easier said....

As far as the kids...it's no different than pot, H, X, and Coke...you have to teach your kids not to do it. It's a common practice for some parents to get their kids human growth hormone when they don't need it, but so they'll be bigger and stronger....wrap your mind around that...
If they can't play as well without chemical enhancements, should they really be in the pros?

Katipan
04-15-2006, 10:05 PM
I also enjoy the pictures from 20 years ago. Like that means anything. Let's say he didn't use steroids...he could still lift and reach the potential he's at now. This is an indication that the people posting these pictures don't understand how steroids work.

Too bad we'll never know if you're right. He certainly took long enough to learn how to work out.

Garcia Bronco
04-15-2006, 10:06 PM
If they can't play as well without chemical enhancements, should they really be in the pros?

Who's to say...I think like any market...it would set itself..This guy might be enhanced physically be steroids...but mentally he blows away the other athletes...should he be denied to compete at that level just because he wasn't born genetically gifted?

Garcia Bronco
04-15-2006, 10:10 PM
Too bad we'll never know if you're right. He certainly took long enough to learn how to work out.

My point is..you don't just inject or use this stuff and the muscles just appear without any work. The guy still had to lift...and he still had to connect with the ball. Plus the guy pitching to him could have be on roids as well, or doing god knows what to the ball. Performance enhancers in baseball are a part of the culture and have been so for longer than Barry Bonds has been alive.

What's worse...taking steroids for the game...or taking drugs to compete during the game? Because the latter is what these guys are doing when they take uppers.

luv
04-15-2006, 10:10 PM
Who's to say...I think like any market...it would set itself..This guy might be enhanced physically be steroids...but mentally he blows away the other athletes...should he be denied to compete at that level just because he wasn't born genetically gifted?
Well, most sports are physical. If he's not physically gifted, he should do whatever else it is he's good at. An average player pumped up on steroids does not make him talented.

Ari Chi3fs
04-15-2006, 10:12 PM
Who's to say? When Barry started useing in 1999 he was already the ONLY 400-400 guy, and the ONLY 3 time MVP.

Would he have hit 73 in one year? No
Would he have gone on to win four more MVPs? No
Hit another 300 HRs? Not

Mentioned as one of the all time greats? Absolutely.

word.

luv
04-15-2006, 10:14 PM
My point is..you don't just inject or use this stuff and the muscles just appear without any work. The guy still had to lift...and he still had to connect with the ball. Plus the guy pitching to him could have be on roids as well, or doing god knows what to the ball. Performance enhancers in baseball are a part of the culture and have been so for longer than Barry Bonds has been alive.

What's worse...taking steroids for the game...or taking drugs to compete during the game? Because the latter is what these guys are doing when they take uppers.
He was a good ball player...a great ball player. If he's not performing at his once great standards, maybe he should consider retirement.

Katipan
04-15-2006, 10:14 PM
My point is..you don't just inject or use this stuff and the muscles just appear without any work. The guy still had to lift...and he still had to connect with the ball. Plus the guy pitching to him could have be on roids as well, or doing god knows what to the ball. Performance enhancers in baseball are a part of the culture and have been so for longer than Barry Bonds has been alive.

What's worse...taking steroids for the game...or taking drugs to compete during the game? Because the latter is what these guys are doing when they take uppers.

yeah i've heard the "steroid users work harder than anyone else in the gym" speech from every knuckle dragging neanderthal in a 10 mile radius. so the guy worked hard. awesome. i bet he was working hard before the steroids too. without the fun results. and the excuse that steroids are okay because the guy across from you may be on roids too is the most asinine thing i've ever heard.

so it was part of the culture. great. it's time for a change now. the greediest bastards will get cut down the worst. i have no sympathy for Bonds nor do I give a shit if there's a star next to anything he did.

he will never be believed and thats good enough for me.

Garcia Bronco
04-15-2006, 10:14 PM
Well, most sports are physical. If he's not physically gifted, he should do whatever else it is he's good at. An average player pumped up on steroids does not make him talented.

I don't think IMO you can put a percentage on the physical and mental aspects that make up a sport for an athlete. Professional football for example might be more physical than mental...but baseball IMO is more mental than physical.

luv
04-15-2006, 10:17 PM
I don't think IMO you can put a percentage on the physical and mental aspects that make up a sport for an athlete. Professional football for example might be more physical than mental...but baseball IMO is more mental than physical.
Anyone with any brains wouldn't get mixed up with steriods. If a baseball player has the mental ability it takes to play the game, he has the mental ability to just say no to steroids as well. If it's not that physical, why would you even need them?

Garcia Bronco
04-15-2006, 10:17 PM
and the excuse that steroids are okay because the guy across from you may be on roids too is the most asinine thing i've ever heard.

.

My point is that the witch hunt on Bonds is unjustified when they aren't going to go after all of them.

luv
04-15-2006, 10:18 PM
My point is that the witch hunt on Bonds is unjustified when they aren't going to go after all of them.
That, I can agree with. But, just because they don't go after all, doesn't mean they shouldn't go after one.

Katipan
04-15-2006, 10:19 PM
It's not unjustified, it's just not fair.

And I don't care.

Count Zarth
04-15-2006, 10:20 PM
but baseball IMO is more mental than physical.

Bat speed is the number one most important attribute when it comes to hitting home runs.

Ari Chi3fs
04-15-2006, 10:21 PM
GC is getting close to 30k.

tk13
04-15-2006, 10:28 PM
Bat speed is the number one most important attribute when it comes to hitting home runs.
The one thing about Bonds that definitely was never steroid-related, and that was his strike zone discipline. He may have had the best strike-zone discipline that I have ever seen, at least in my lifetime. It was incredible really. When he was really locked in a zone, he was almost impossible to pitch to. You literally could not throw him a strike, or you would lose. And if you threw it out of the zone, he wouldn't swing and you'd end up walking him. That year he hit 73 is about as locked in as I've ever seen a professional athlete.

Count Zarth
04-15-2006, 10:35 PM
The one thing about Bonds that definitely was never steroid-related, and that was his strike zone discipline. He may have had the best strike-zone discipline that I have ever seen, at least in my lifetime. It was incredible really. When he was really locked in a zone, he was almost impossible to pitch to. You literally could not throw him a strike, or you would lose. And if you threw it out of the zone, he wouldn't swing and you'd end up walking him. That year he hit 73 is about as locked in as I've ever seen a professional athlete.

What's really frustrating is when you toss it out of the strike zone and they still kill the ball.

http://images.art.com/images/products/large/10127000/10127399.jpg

big nasty kcnut
04-16-2006, 03:22 AM
Bye barry bonds you cheating punk.

StcChief
04-16-2006, 09:02 AM
Quit.... no one but the Giants care.

DILIGAF

beavis
04-16-2006, 10:34 AM
Who cares, Glass will just trade him when he...

oops, wrong thread.