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Mecca
04-15-2006, 11:16 PM
1 TEXANS RB Reggie Bush USC
2 SAINTS DE Mario Williams North Carolina St
3 TITANS OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia
4 JETS QB Matt Leinart USC
5 PACKERS LB AJ Hawk Ohio St
6 49ERS S Michael Huff Texas
7 RAIDERS QB Vince Young Texas
8 BILLS DT Haloti Ngata Oregon
9 LIONS CB Tye Hill Clemson
10 CARDINALS TE Vernon Davis Maryland
11 RAMS DT Brodrick Bunkley Florida St
12 BROWNS LB Chad Greenway Iowa
13 RAVENS QB Jay Cutler Vanderbilt
14 EAGLES WR Chad Jackson Florida
15 BRONCOS WR Santonio Holmes Ohio St
16 DOLPHINS S Jason Allen Tennessee
17 VIKINGS OT Winston Justice USC
18 COWBOYS LB Ernie Sims Florida St
19 CHARGERS CB Jimmy Williams Virginia Tech
20 CHIEFS CB Jonathan Joseph South Carolina
21 PATRIOTS RB DeAngelo Williams Memphis
22 BRONCOS DE Kamerion Wimbley Florida St
23 BUCCANEERS CB Antonio Cromartie Florida St
24 BENGALS DE Mathias Kiwanuka Boston College
25 GIANTS LB DeMeco Ryans Alabama
26 BEARS LB D'Qwell Jackson Maryland
27 PANTHERS RB LenDale White USC
28 JAGUARS RB Laurence Maroney Minnesota
29 JETS LB Bobby Carpenter Ohio St
30 COLTS DE Manny Lawson North Carolina St
31 SEAHAWKS DE Tamba Hali Penn St
32 STEELERS OC Nick Mangold Ohio St
ROUND 2
33 TEXANS S Donte Whitner Ohio St
34 SAINTS CB Kelly Jennings Miami
35 JETS OT Marcus McNeill Auburn
36 PACKERS OG Davin Joseph Oklahoma
37 49ERS TE Marcedes Lewis UCLA
38 RAIDERS DT Gabe Watson Michigan
39 TITANS CB Ashton Youboty Ohio St
40 LIONS OT Eric Winston Miami
41 CARDINALS LB Abdul Hodge Iowa
42 BILLS WR Sinorice Moss Miami
43 BROWNS CB Richard Marshall Fresno St
44 RAVENS RB Joseph Addai LSU
45 EAGLES LB Thomas Howard UTEP
46 RAMS S Ko Simpson South Carolina
47 FALCONS S Daniel Bullocks Nebraska
48 VIKINGS CB Alan Zemaitis Penn St
49 COWBOYS S Darnell Bing USC
50 CHARGERS OG Max Jean-Gilles Georgia
51 VIKINGS DT Claude Wroten LSU
52 PATRIOTS S Pat Watkins Florida St
53 REDSKINS TE Leonard Pope Georgia
54 CHIEFS OT Daryn Colledge Boise St
55 BENGALS DT John McCargo North Carolina St
56 GIANTS WR Demetrius Williams Oregon
57 BEARS TE Joe Klopfenstein Colorado
58 PANTHERS DE Darryl Tapp Virginia Tech
59 BUCCANEERS OT Jonathan Scott Texas
60 JAGUARS TE Dominique Byrd USC
61 BRONCOS TE Anthony Fasano Notre Dame
62 COLTS DT Orien Harris Miami
63 SEAHAWKS OG Taitusi Lutui USC
64 STEELERS OG Charles Spencer Pittsburgh
ROUND 3
65 TEXANS WR Maurice Stovall Notre Dame
66 TEXANS CB Cedric Griffin Texas
67 PACKERS RB Maurice Drew UCLA
68 49ERS LB Roger McIntosh Miami
69 RAIDERS DE Mark Anderson Alabama
70 BILLS OT Jeremy Trueblood Boston College
71 JETS DT Rodrique Wright Texas
72 CARDINALS OT Andrew Whitworth LSU
73 BILLS S Danieal Manning Abilene Christian
74 LIONS LB Gerris Wilkerson Georgia Tech
75 PATRIOTS CB DeMario Minter Georgia
76 EAGLES DT Babatunde Oshinowo Stanford
77 RAMS DE Parys Haralson Tennessee
78 BROWNS WR Derek Hagan Arizona St
79 FALCONS RB Brian Calhoun Wisconsin
80 COWBOYS QB Charlie Whitehurst Clemson
81 CHARGERS WR Travis Wilson Oklahoma
82 DOLPHINS DT Jonathan Lewis Virginia Tech
83 VIKINGS LB Jon Alston Stanford
84 49ERS RB Jerious Norwood Mississippi St
85 CHIEFS WR Jason Avant Michigan
86 PATRIOTS WR Greg Jennings Western Michigan
87 GIANTS CB Dee Webb Florida
88 BEARS S Roman Harper Alabama
89 PANTHERS TE David Thomas Texas
90 BUCCANEERS WR Todd Watkins BYU
91 BENGALS CB Devin Hester Miami
92 JAGUARS WR Mike Hass Oregon St
93 FALCONS OT Ryan O'Callaghan California
94 COLTS RB Leon Washington Florida St
95 VIKINGS QB Brodie Croyle Alabama
96 STEELERS WR Brandon Williams Wisconsin
97 JETS OC Greg Eslinger Minnesota
ROUND 4
98 TEXANS DE Ray Edwards Purdue
99 SAINTS DT Dusty Dvoracek Oklahoma
100 49ERS CB Tim Jennings Georgia
101 RAIDERS S Bernard Pollard Purdue
102 TITANS RB Jerome Harrison Washington St
103 JETS RB Andre Hall South Florida
104 PACKERS DE Victor Adeyanju Indiana
105 BILLS DE Julian Jenkins Stanford
106 PATRIOTS LB AJ Nicholson Florida St
107 CARDINALS DT Kyle Williams LSU
108 EAGLES OT Kevin Boothe Cornell
109 RAMS CB Anwar Phillips Penn St
110 BROWNS DE Barry Cofield Northwestern
111 RAVENS S Anthony Smith Syracuse
112 BROWNS DT Jesse Mahelona Tennessee
113 CHARGERS LB Dale Robinson Arizona St
114 DOLPHINS WR Martin Nance Miami Ohio
115 VIKINGS RB Lawrence Vickers Colorado
116 EAGLES OG Fred Matua USC
117 JETS CB Will Blackmon Boston College
118 PATRIOTS QB Omar Jacobs Bowling Green
119 BRONCOS S Greg Blue Georgia
120 BEARS WR Devin Aromashodu Auburn
121 PANTHERS LB Tim Dobbins Iowa St
122 BUCCANEERS DE Elvis Dumervil Louisville
123 BENGALS TE Tony Scheffler Western Michigan
124 GIANTS OC Chris Chester Oklahoma
125 JAGUARS CB Marcus Maxey Miami
126 BRONCOS OT Rob Sims Ohio St
127 EAGLES RB Garrett Mills Tulsa
128 SEAHAWKS TE Tim Day Oregon
129 STEELERS DE Stanley McClover Auburn
130 BRONCOS RB Taurean Henderson Texas Tech
131 STEELERS S Dawan Landry Georgia Tech
132 RAVENS CB Gerrick McPhearson Maryland
133 STEELERS CB Derrick Martin Wyoming
ROUND 5
134 TEXANS OT Joe Toledo Washington
135 SAINTS LB James Anderson Virginia Tech
136 PATRIOTS DT Montavious Stanley Louisville
137 TITANS OG Mark Setterstrom Minnesota
138 JETS WR Michael Robinson Penn St
139 PACKERS WR Greg Lee Pittsburgh
140 49ERS OT Guy Whimper East Carolina
141 LIONS WR Jonathan Orr Wisconsin
142 CARDINALS QB Bruce Gradkowski Toledo
143 BILLS LB Spencer Havner UCLA
144 RAMS TE Owen Daniels Wisconsin
145 BROWNS OT Jhari Evans Bloomsburg
146 RAVENS DE Chris Gocong Cal Poly
147 EAGLES CB Charles Gordon Kansas
148 FALCONS WR Hank Baskett New Mexico
149 VIKINGS WR Brad Smith Missouri
150 COWBOYS WR Brandon Marshall Central Florida
151 CHARGERS OT Paul McQuistan Weber St
152 BROWNS RB Wendell Mathis Fresno St
153 REDSKINS CB David Pittman Northwestern St
154 CHIEFS DE Rob Ninkovich Purdue
155 PANTHERS WR Jeff Webb San Diego St
156 BUCCANEERS S Antoine Bethea Howard
157 BENGALS S Calvin Lowry Penn St
158 GIANTS S Marcus Hudson North Carolina St
159 BEARS CB Josh Lay Pittsburgh
160 JAGUARS LB Kai Parham Virginia
161 BRONCOS OG Jason Spitz Louisville
162 COLTS LB Leon Williams Miami
163 SEAHAWKS RB DonTrell Moore New Mexico
164 STEELERS RB Mike Bell Arizona
165 PACKERS OC Ryan Cook New Mexico
166 RAVENS OT Zach Strief Northwestern
167 STEELERS OT Rashad Butler Miami
168 EAGLES TE TJ Williams North Carolina St
169 TITANS LB Keith Ellison Oregon St
ROUND 6
170 TEXANS LB Clint Ingram Oklahoma
171 SAINTS WR Delanie Walker Missouri St
172 TITANS QB Reggie McNeal Texas AM
173 REDSKINS DE James Wyche Syracuse
174 SAINTS OC Mike Degory Florida
175 49ERS WR Skyler Green LSU
176 RAIDERS LB Terna Nande Miami Ohio
177 CARDINALS OG Troy Reddick Auburn
178 BILLS QB Kellen Clemens Oregon
179 LIONS DE Frostee Rucker USC
180 BROWNS QB DJ Shockley Georgia
181 RAVENS WR Jeremy Bloom Colorado
182 COWBOYS DE Eric Henderson Georgia Tech
183 RAMS LB Jamar Williams Arizona St
184 FALCONS DT Johnny Jolly Texas AM
185 VIKINGS DE Jeremy Mincey Florida
186 CHIEFS DT Kedric Golston Georgia
187 CHARGERS DT LeKevin Smith Nebraska
188 CHARGERS QB Darrell Hackney UAB
189 REDSKINS LB Brian Iwuh Colorado
190 CHIEFS S Dwayne Slay Texas Tech
191 PATRIOTS DE Mike Kudla Ohio St
192 49ERS CB Darrell Hunter Miami Ohio
193 BENGALS WR Cory Rodgers TCU
194 GIANTS OT Michael Toudouze TCU
195 BEARS OT Isaac Sowells Indiana
196 REDSKINS DT Henry Anderson Oregon St
197 JAGUARS DE Ryan LaCasse Syracuse
198 BRONCOS LB Stephen Tulloch North Carolina St
199 COLTS WR Marques Colston Hofstra
200 SEAHAWKS WR Anthony Mix Auburn
201 STEELERS LB Fred Roach Alabama
202 BUCCANEERS LB Omar Gaither Tennessee
203 RAVENS DT Marcus Green Ohio St
204 EAGLES S Jarrad Page UCLA
205 PATRIOTS OG Adam Stenavich Michigan
206 PATRIOTS OC Will Montgomery Virginia Tech
207 COLTS CB Antonio Malone Toledo
208 RAVENS LB Brandon Johnson Louisville
ROUND 7
209 BENGALS QB Tarvaris Jackson Alabama St
210 SAINTS OT Derek Morris North Carolina St
211 JETS OG Rob Smith Tennessee
212 DOLPHINS RB PJ Daniels Georgia Tech
213 49ERS DE Charles Bennett Clemson
214 RAIDERS CB Chiijoke Onyenegecha Oklahoma
215 TITANS WR Miles Austin Monmouth
216 BILLS RB Gerald Riggs Tennessee
217 JETS S Nate Salley Ohio St
218 CARDINALS OC Marvin Philip California
219 RAVENS OC Pat Ross Boston College
220 EAGLES OC Donovan Raiola Wisconsin
221 RAMS WR Willie Reid Florida St
222 BROWNS S Willie Andrews Baylor
223 FALCONS DE Jason Hatcher Grambling St
224 COWBOYS OG Tony Palmer Missouri
225 CHARGERS DE Melvin Oliver LSU
226 DOLPHINS LB Tim McGarigle Northwestern
227 CHARGERS RB De'Arrius Howard Arkansas
228 CHIEFS QB Erik Meyer Eastern Washington
229 PATRIOTS OT Jabari Levey South Carolina
230 REDSKINS RB Matt Bernstein Wisconsin
231 BENGALS OT Brad Butler Virginia
232 GIANTS RB Cedric Humes Virginia Tech
233 DOLPHINS QB Ingle Martin Furman
234 PANTHERS DT Manase Hopoi Washington
235 BUCCANEERS DT Manaia Brown BYU
236 49ERS DT Anthony Montgomery Minnesota
237 PANTHERS CB Justin Wyatt USC
238 TITANS DE Ben Ishola Indiana
239 SEAHAWKS S Eric Smith Michigan St
240 STEELERS TE Jeff King Virginia Tech
241 BUCCANEERS QB Paul Pinegar Fresno St
242 RAMS OG Chris Kuper North Dakota
243 RAMS RB Wali Lundy Virginia
244 BUCCANEERS RB Derrick Ross Tarleton St
245 TITANS S Charlie Peprah Alabama
246 TITANS TE Troy Bienemann Washington St
247 LIONS RB Quinton Ganther Utah
248 BILLS TE Charles Davis Purdue
249 SEAHAWKS CB John Walker USC
250 REDSKINS OT Quinn Ojinnaka Syracuse
251 TEXANS DT Domata Peko Michigan St
252 SAINTS RB Terrence Whitehead Oregon
253 PACKERS CB Dion Byrum Ohio
254 49ERS OC Chris Morris Michigan St
255 RAIDERS OT Donald Penn Utah St

If you don't want to read through all that the Chiefs picks are..
20 CB Jonathan Joseph South Carolina
54 OT Daryn Colledge Boise St
85 WR Jason Avant Michigan
154 DE Rob Ninkovich Purdue
186 DT Kedric Golston Georgia
190 S Dwayne Slay Texas Tech
228 QB Erik Meyer Eastern Washington

Ebolapox
04-15-2006, 11:24 PM
Feh.

Munson
04-15-2006, 11:25 PM
They did a good job of simulating King Carl's drafting abilities, because that mock is horrible. They pass on Hali, Lawson, Wimbley, and Kiwanuka for Jonathan Joseph? Talk about a reach. If we were to reach for a CB, I'd rather it be Cromartie.

Mecca
04-15-2006, 11:39 PM
Almost everyone is projecting Joseph to go between 17-24. So people really don't think that's reach.

milkman
04-15-2006, 11:43 PM
They did a good job of simulating King Carl's drafting abilities, because that mock is horrible. They pass on Hali, Lawson, Wimbley, and Kiwanuka for Jonathan Joseph? Talk about a reach. If we were to reach for a CB, I'd rather it be Cromartie.

I don't know that he's a reach, but this is a terrible draft.

The only decent pick in this mock for the Chiefs is Slay.

Mecca
04-15-2006, 11:49 PM
It's funny but the Chiefs will get lambasted alot harder from the Draft guys if they take Hali or Kiwanuka at 20, than if they take Joseph.

milkman
04-15-2006, 11:51 PM
It's funny but the Chiefs will get lambasted alot harder from the Draft guys if they take Hali or Kiwanuka at 20, than if they take Joseph.

You're probably right, but that doesn't make them, or you right about the picks.

Mecca
04-15-2006, 11:55 PM
Cromarties still "my guy" in this draft so I'd rather not take any of those guys.

Spicy McHaggis
04-16-2006, 04:35 AM
It's funny but the Chiefs will get lambasted alot harder from the Draft guys if they take Hali or Kiwanuka at 20, than if they take Joseph.

Tamba Hali eats nails for breakfast and shits Jonathan Joseph.

htismaqe
04-16-2006, 05:27 AM
The thing about this mock that's good or bad depending on who you'd like to see the Chiefs draft is that THR is usually very good at hitting the 1st round of the draft...

melbar
04-16-2006, 08:56 AM
I doubt we go Tackle in the second with Tapp, Wright , and Harris available on the line. I also think we would grab Stovall or Hagan first in the second.

Coogs
04-16-2006, 09:47 AM
I put this in Mecca's other mock draft thread. Thought I would repost it here for viewing ease...

Quote:
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Originally Posted by Mecca
LIST OF POSSIBLE TRADES ON DRAFT DAY!!

3. New York Jets trade 29 and 4 overall picks to the Saints for the second overall pick.

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Let's play with this one a little bit using this point system...

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/fe...valuechart.html

...The Saints #2 pick is worth 2600
...The Jets #4 pick is worth 1800, so the Jets need 800 more points.
...Our #20 pick is worth 850. If the Jets had this pick, they could trade #4 and #20 to the Saints, and keep their other four overall picks by making a trade (two pick swap actually) with us. Here it is...

...Our #20 which is worth 850 and
...Our #54 which is worth 360, for a total of 1210 points

FOR

...The Jets #29 which is worth 640 points and
...The Jets #35 which is worth 550 points, for a total of 1190 points.


The Jets get to #2 and get thier man, and we two players at 29 and 35 who could both start and help this team. Use either this mock draft, or the Huddle's 7 rounder, and pick your two players at 29 and 35.

Enjoy!

chiefscafan
04-16-2006, 10:42 AM
I have to agree that draft is horrible I think I would throw something at the tv. Avant is yet another #2 or #3 receiver that doesn't help us.

Coogs
04-16-2006, 10:56 AM
I have to agree that draft is horrible I think I would throw something at the tv. Avant is yet another #2 or #3 receiver that doesn't help us.

You know, Gun proved in the mid 90's that if you give him 4 Pro-Bowlers in the secondary, a Pro-Bowler or two at the DT spots, and two potential HOF'ers in DT and Neil Smith, that he can put together a pretty fair defense.

Without that kind of talent, Gun has not done squat.

We better draft a lot of defenders, and they better be studs.

htismaqe
04-16-2006, 11:32 AM
I have to agree that draft is horrible I think I would throw something at the tv. Avant is yet another #2 or #3 receiver that doesn't help us.

IMO, no WR helps us that much. We don't need a true #1 WR in this offense.

booger
04-16-2006, 10:19 PM
RD 1: I like Joeseph but he is a JUCO transfer and missed most of his soph season with injury. Richard Marshall might be a better prospect IMO. Pretty close with those two.

No way can we pass on Wimbley or Lawson. Way too much potential even though they are undersized. Even Hali is probably a better pick with his all around game at DE. With those three on the board I'd hate to see us take a CB.

RD 2: I wouldn't mind seeing us find a future LT. Svitek is showing promise in NFLEL though. I like College but like Jonathon Scott Better. Charles Spencer would be a prospect at G or RT. Tapp would be a good pickup if we didn't get an End in RD 1. I don't see Dallas taking Bing with Roy Williams and him being both SS's IMO. Bing would be a good pick here. McCargo is rising as of late and Stoval would be a good pick, A big WR who excelled in Weis's offense which is similar in ways to ours.

I would go with Cedric Griffin here.

RD 3:
Avant i could live with that. Jennings is a good WR prospect as well.
Harper and Greg Blue would be 2 safties worth a look here.
Ray Edwards and Victor Adeyanju as DE's if we havn't got one in RD 1 or 2. I think Croyle would be the best pick and could probably challenge Huard for the backup Job so we could keep Printers as #3.

RD 5:
I know LB isn't a need but with Mitchell set for FA after '06 Kai Parham is a very good value pick here. I don't see Scanlon as the future MLB and Grigsby has to prove his worth as a LB yet. I hope we resign Mitchell but this would be a insurance pick in case. Clemmens as a QB or Spitz at G make sense. Maybe McNeal as a WR prospect. Brian Iwuh from Colorado is kind of a Donnie Edwards clone, an undersized LB. Some teams like him as a SS prospect as well.

RD 6:

OG Adam Stenavich, C prospects Philip and Riola, and Slay all make sense.

I like the small school prospects Hatcher DE and Miles Austin from Monmouth here.

RD 7:
Humes or Riggs Jr. as big backs to backup LJ.


So I'll pick:
RD1: Lawson DE NC State
2: Griffin Cb Texas
3: Croyle Qb ' Bama
5: Rashad Butler OT Miami
6: Jason Hatcher DE Grambling ST.
6: Miles Austin WR Monmouth
7: Charlie Peprah S 'Bama

ChiefsCountry
04-16-2006, 11:26 PM
The best pick out of that mock is the last one. I think Meyer could be a good QB.

BigChiefFan
04-17-2006, 08:49 AM
Again... generate a pass-rush and the secondary becomes better. We need a corner, but not as much as D-line help.

Mecca
04-17-2006, 08:58 AM
Again... generate a pass-rush and the secondary becomes better. We need a corner, but not as much as D-line help.

Please, don't act like Tamba Hali is Mario Williams. The cold hard fact is the odds are the best players when we pick are going to be corners. Antonio Cromartie has more talent than Hali has ever dreamed of having......

BigChiefFan
04-17-2006, 09:04 AM
Please, don't act like Tamba Hali is Mario Williams. The cold hard fact is the odds are the best players when we pick are going to be corners. Antonio Cromartie has more talent than Hali has ever dreamed of having......
Dude,
How about allowing someone else to have a differing opinion than yours? Cromartie is a ****ing project compared to Hali, look at the college numbers and then tell me. Hali produced for 3 and half years as a STARTER. How many gmes did Cromartie START? Cromartie has numbers that translate well to the next level, but don't question me about Hali when he has PRODUCED as the collegiate levels on one of the BEST defnese this past year.

Your questioning Hali is laughable, especially considering you have Cromartie ranked higher.

Mecca
04-17-2006, 09:07 AM
How about the fact that you can get Cromartie in the first then turn around and get Daryl Tapp in the 2nd? Tapp ranks out right with Hali and also has a much more bonified mean streak. I don't like the idea of reaching for Hali when basically the same player by a different name is going to likely be available with our next pick.

BigChiefFan
04-17-2006, 09:12 AM
How about the fact that you can get Cromartie in the first then turn around and get Daryl Tapp in the 2nd? Tapp ranks out right with Hali and also has a much more bonified mean streak. I don't like the idea of reaching for Hali when basically the same player by a different name is going to likely be available with our next pick.
Cromartie is the one that I see falling. His lack of experience and his history of injuries will keep some teams from pulling the trigger on him early, IMO. His speed is what teams covet and some teams question if he can return to form after his injuries. Plus this draft is DEEP for CBs and not DEs. We can still get a QUALITY CB in round 2.

Mecca
04-17-2006, 09:15 AM
Cromartie is the one that I see falling. His lack of experience and his history of injuries will keep some teams from pulling the trigger on him early, IMO. His speed is what teams covet and some teams question if he can return to form after his injuries. Plus this draft is DEEP for CBs and not DEs. We can still get a QUALITY CB in round 2.

Such as? I think the dropoff from the Tye Hill/Antonio Cromartie we'll have a shot at in the first is much greater than the difference in Hali and Tapp.

It is deep in CB's but there's going to be atleast 10 of them off the board by our 2nd pick. Every team in the NFL covets corners, Cromartie will not make it out of the first round.

BigChiefFan
04-17-2006, 10:37 AM
Such as? I think the dropoff from the Tye Hill/Antonio Cromartie we'll have a shot at in the first is much greater than the difference in Hali and Tapp.

It is deep in CB's but there's going to be atleast 10 of them off the board by our 2nd pick. Every team in the NFL covets corners, Cromartie will not make it out of the first round. So using your logic, team's don't covet DE's? LMAO. Sure...

Again, this draft is DEEP for CBs, so SOME of the top-rated guys could fall and even if they don't, there will be plenty of talent, here's some names, since you asked...

Kelly Jennings
Richard Marshall
Cedric Griffin
Alan Zemaitus
DeMario Minter
Marcus Maxey
Danieal Manning
Darrell Hunter
Eric Bassey

Plus I think some of the top guys will fall in the draft, most likely Cromartie, IMO. There's too many question marks with his experience.

Coogs
04-17-2006, 10:44 AM
So using your logic, team's don't covet DE's? LMAO. Sure...

Again, this draft is DEEP for CBs, so SOME of the top-rated guys could fall and even if they don't, there will be plenty of talent, here's some names, since you asked...

Kelly Jennings
Richard Marshall
Cedric Griffin
Alan Zemaitus
DeMario Minter
Marcus Maxey
Danieal Manning
Darrell Hunter
Eric Bassey

Plus I think some of the top guys will fall in the draft, most likely Cromartie, IMO. There's too many question marks with his experience.


:bravo:

Cromartie is a huge gamble IMO. He may turn out to be a stud, but with so many glaring holes on our defense the way it is, to draft an injured player at #20 is just to big of a gamble.

Shoot, even Mecca stated in a thread over on the Lounge that we need many other players on the D to run the cover two effectively.

Mecca
04-17-2006, 10:45 AM
So using your logic, team's don't covet DE's? LMAO. Sure...

Again, this draft is DEEP for CBs, so SOME of the top-rated guys could fall and even if they don't, there will be plenty of talent, here's some names, since you asked...

Kelly Jennings
Richard Marshall
Cedric Griffin
Alan Zemaitus
DeMario Minter
Marcus Maxey
Danieal Manning
Darrell Hunter
Eric Bassey

Plus I think some of the top guys will fall in the draft, most likely Cromartie, IMO. There's too many question marks with his experience.

Ok Jennings ranks right around there.....I'm not to big on Marshall. Griffin is a tweener.

Now after that the rest of those guys are 3rd round and lower.....and Manning is a safety.

Yes teams do covet DE's but I don't think they'll go nearly as quickly as the corners will in this draft. There are upwards of 10 DB's that have first round grades.

And are you actually saying you'd rather pick Tamba Hali and Richard Marshall than Antonio Cromartie and Daryl Tapp?

Mecca
04-17-2006, 10:48 AM
I don't think we're disagreeing on what the team needs, I think we're disagreeing on what the better course is. I think we'll get better value going CB then DE than vice versa. Yes Cromartie is "my guy" but I'd take Tye Hill in the first just as quickly before any of those DE's.

BigChiefFan
04-17-2006, 10:51 AM
Ok Jennings ranks right around there.....I'm not to big on Marshall. Griffin is a tweener.

Now after that the rest of those guys are 3rd round and lower.....and Manning is a safety.

Yes teams do covet DE's but I don't think they'll go nearly as quickly as the corners will in this draft. There are upwards of 10 DB's that have first round grades.

And are you actually saying you'd rather pick Tamba Hali and Richard Marshall than Antonio Cromartie and Daryl Tapp?
A Defensive END will go BEFORE a CB this year, so you're losing ground with that basis of your argument.

Again since there are SO MANY CBs that grade out to a 1st round grade, doesn't mean that there will be a huge run on them, quite the contray, IMO, because teams know they can get a CB later, with little fall off, because SOME of those top guys will fall. It's the law of supply and demand and the supply outweighs the demand.

Also, I KNOW some of the guys I mentioned are 2nd round and LOWER, that's EXACTLY why I mentioned them in the first place, so you can see there will be players AVAILABLE to us after our 1st round pick.

Mecca
04-17-2006, 10:58 AM
Well I think we need a corner that can start right now.....maybe that's where we differ.

Mario Williams is the one premier end in this draft, so yes he's going before corners. After that corners will start going, Manny Lawson will get mixed in likely to a 3-4 team. Then after that I don't think Hali or Kiwanuka come into play till about 5-6 of the corners are off the board.

At our pick I see it like this if Jimmy Williams(despite I think he's a FS at the NFL level), Antonio Cromartie, and Tye Hill are off the board then I consider trading down and taking Hali.

BPA should be the strategy so I think those 3 guys rate above Hali or any end we'll have a shot at.

Mr. Laz
04-17-2006, 11:01 AM
a draft to make ya go ..... bleh

ct
04-17-2006, 11:19 AM
I like Joseph's potential, but @20 that sure seems like a reach. Could take him a year or 2 to develop. Now he may actually be selected around then, but I'd rather it not beus that high w/out a trade down.

The 2nd round pick ticks me off, with guys like this still on the board?

55 BENGALS DT John McCargo North Carolina St
58 PANTHERS DE Darryl Tapp Virginia Tech
59 BUCCANEERS OT Jonathan Scott Texas
62 COLTS DT Orien Harris Miami
Round 3
65 TEXANS WR Maurice Stovall Notre Dame

I also like Avant in the 3rd(if we missed on Stovall), but the rest I have no idea who those guys are.

Mecca
04-17-2006, 11:20 AM
Jason Avant of the 4.8 40..........that's awfully slow.

BigChiefFan
04-17-2006, 11:24 AM
I'd rather see us go after Martin Nance than Avant.

Mecca
04-17-2006, 11:27 AM
Personally I think if it's breaking down like this Anthony Smith or Greg Blue would be a better pick for us. We need to get a talented safety somewhere in this draft.

Mr. Kotter
04-17-2006, 11:33 AM
Personally I think if it's breaking down like this Anthony Smith or Greg Blue would be a better pick for us. We need to get a talented safety somewhere in this draft.
We'll know how committed Herm is to revamping the D quickly....if he is serious, he will draft at least 4 Defensive players: DE, DT, CB, and S.

htismaqe
04-17-2006, 12:43 PM
Personally I think if it's breaking down like this Anthony Smith or Greg Blue would be a better pick for us. We need to get a talented safety somewhere in this draft.

Yep.

Spicy McHaggis
04-17-2006, 03:20 PM
So using your logic, team's don't covet DE's? LMAO. Sure...

Again, this draft is DEEP for CBs, so SOME of the top-rated guys could fall and even if they don't, there will be plenty of talent, here's some names, since you asked...

Kelly Jennings
Richard Marshall
Cedric Griffin
Alan Zemaitus
DeMario Minter
Marcus Maxey
Danieal Manning
Darrell Hunter
Eric Bassey

Plus I think some of the top guys will fall in the draft, most likely Cromartie, IMO. There's too many question marks with his experience.

:bravo:

I agree with you. I like the "2nd tier" of corners better than the second tier DE's and I believe the Chiefs have a better chance of being able to draft talent at the corner spot in the second/third round than they would at DE. Whew.

The corner draft is just so much more top heavy in rounds 1-3 that there are going to be some guys that fall to us after round one, whereas we can get caught with our finger up our ass if we're hoping that Tapp or Adeyanju are there in the 2nd and third respectively.

Also just read your other post, I like Nance better than Avant too.

All this said though we have so many holes that can be filled by this draft the only way I'm going to be dissappointed is if we take a offensive player in the first.

Mecca
04-17-2006, 09:37 PM
Problem being there's 1 frontline DE and we don't have a shot at him. You want to take a 2nd tier DE in the first round over a 1st tier CB......

Chiefnj
04-17-2006, 10:08 PM
Problem being there's 1 frontline DE and we don't have a shot at him. You want to take a 2nd tier DE in the first round over a 1st tier CB......


There is no corner in this years draft comparable to Mario Williams at DE. Mario is a blue chip DE with no real flaws. All the top corners in this years draft have question marks - especially your beloved Cromartie.

Mecca
04-17-2006, 10:20 PM
There is no corner in this years draft comparable to Mario Williams at DE. Mario is a blue chip DE with no real flaws. All the top corners in this years draft have question marks - especially your beloved Cromartie.

No shit sherlock, Mario Williams is the one 1st tier DE in this draft. We have no shot at him so I basically don't even count him when I talk about the ends. All of the rest of them are 2nd tier guys and lower.

Tamba Hali is the perfect DE.....underweight, slow, short arms. By god I hope that's our first round pick. Nothing says Chiefs draft like taking the 2nd round talent in the middle of the first round.

Mecca
04-17-2006, 10:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnMb4B8axe4&search=antonio%20cromartie

Spicy McHaggis
04-18-2006, 12:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnMb4B8axe4&search=antonio%20cromartie

That video should have an asterisk*

*Against Duke

Mecca
04-18-2006, 12:06 AM
That video should have an asterisk*

*Against Duke

I know...it's the only one I could find........I wanted to find one that had his awesome INT against the Canes but sadly I couldn't find it anywhere.

Spicy McHaggis
04-18-2006, 12:18 AM
I know...it's the only one I could find........I wanted to find one that had his awesome INT against the Canes but sadly I couldn't find it anywhere.

Just razzing you, I like Cromartie I'm just wary of boom or bust prospects because we've done poorly in the past.

ct
04-18-2006, 08:45 AM
Sorry Mecca, but you're blinded by our biggest need position. Cromartie has 2nd round written all over him. He is a project!

Mecca
04-18-2006, 09:10 AM
Sorry Mecca, but you're blinded by our biggest need position. Cromartie has 2nd round written all over him. He is a project!

Not really blinded, I think he's going to he the best player in the league we have a shot at, at 20. When I look at the values I have on players who's going to be there in the next round, I have him as the guy we should take.

beer bacon
04-18-2006, 10:54 AM
How about the fact that you can get Cromartie in the first then turn around and get Daryl Tapp in the 2nd? Tapp ranks out right with Hali and also has a much more bonified mean streak. I don't like the idea of reaching for Hali when basically the same player by a different name is going to likely be available with our next pick.

We could trade down in the first, get Hali/Kiwi/Lawson in the late first/early second. We could then use our 2nd round pick for BPA. We could then use our 3rd rounder on a CB like Zemaitis, Philips or Minter who would probably contributed as much as Cromartie. We would still have that pick we got in trade which we could use to grab a good potential safety like Daniel Manning or another pretty good player.

ct
04-18-2006, 11:03 AM
Not really blinded, I think he's going to he the best player in the league we have a shot at, at 20. When I look at the values I have on players who's going to be there in the next round, I have him as the guy we should take.

And that is where we are just gonna have to disagree. I don't see a part-time rehabbing player anywhere near the 20th BAP.

htismaqe
04-18-2006, 11:38 AM
We could trade down in the first, get Hali/Kiwi/Lawson in the late first/early second. We could then use our 2nd round pick for BPA. We could then use our 3rd rounder on a CB like Zemaitis, Philips or Minter who would probably contributed as much as Cromartie. We would still have that pick we got in trade which we could use to grab a good potential safety like Daniel Manning or another pretty good player.

I doubt Lawson makes it out of the top 15 or so. Shawne Merriman, part deux.

beer bacon
04-18-2006, 11:41 AM
I doubt Lawson makes it out of the top 15 or so. Shawne Merriman, part deux.

Mocks have been weird with Lawson. I have seen plenty of drafts with him going to the Browns at #12, but I have also seen him falling all the way to the beginning of the second round. He is talented enough to get taken by the Browns at #12, but I will keep my hopes that he pulls a DJ and falls.