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Mecca
04-16-2006, 10:53 PM
(April 15, 2006) -- This is my first of three mock drafts that I will create for NFL.com leading up to the draft at the end of the month. I will assume that there will be no pre-draft trades that could change the decision making along the way. I will combine the activity in free agency, the needs of the teams, and the grades of the players as draft boards start to take shape.

1. Houston: Reggie Bush, RB, USC
Bush is a once-in-a-decade player and a matchup nightmare. He had 38 touchdowns in three years at USC.

2. New Orleans: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia
He could move down but a 10-year starter is too hard to resist. The Saints traded Wayne Gandy, a starter at tackle last season, to Atlanta.

3. Tennessee: Matt Leinart, QB, USC
Leinart threw for more touchdown passes in college than Vince Young and Jay Cutler combined. He also knows the Titans' offense, having played under coordinator Norm Chow at USC.

4. N.Y. Jets: Mario Williams, DE, N.C. State
Williams can replace John Abraham, who was traded this offseason. He reminds new coach Eric Mangini of the Patriots' Richard Seymour and can play in either the 3-4 or 4-3.

5. Green Bay: Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon
Having Ngata in the middle makes Green Bay defensive ends Aaron Kampman and Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila better. Ngata stops the run and has a rare combination of size and speed.

6. San Francisco: Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland
A young quarterback like Alex Smith always needs a tight end to be effective and Davis can provide major matchup problems.

7. Oakland: Vince Young, QB, Texas
Aaron Brooks signed a two-year deal with the Raiders, but owner Al Davis likes Young's upside. Randy Moss could make a perfect partner.

8. Buffalo: Brodrick Bunkley, DT, Florida State
The best under tackle for the new 'Dungy' defense, Bunkley has a talent that is hard to find.

9. Detroit: Michael Huff, DB, Texas
The safest pick in the draft, Huff can play either cornerback or safety. He is a leader and a Matt Millen-type player.

10. Arizona: Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt
Kurt Warner is old and brittle and Cutler is Brett Favre-like. He's still two years away, though.

11. St. Louis: A.J. Hawk, OLB, Ohio State
Hawk should have been gone by now but will become a cornerstone for Jim Haslett's defense.

12. Cleveland: Kamerion Wimbley, DE, Florida State
Wimbley is the perfect fit for the 3-4 defense and reminds general manager Phil Savage of Peter Boulware, who Savage helped draft in Baltimore.

13. Baltimore: Winston Justice, OT, USC
The Ravens can use Justice at right tackle until Jonathan Ogden retires.

14. Philadelphia: Chad Jackson, WR, Florida
The Eagles failed to land Eric Moulds and released Terrell Owens, so they could use Jackson right away.

15. Denver: Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State
The Broncos can trade Ashley Lelie right after this pick.

16. Miami: Ernie Sims, OLB, Florida State
Sims is a tackling machine and replaces Junior Seau on the Dolphins defense.

17. Minnesota: Chad Greenway, OLB, Iowa
Greenway has a high character, the type of player that new coach Brad Childress wants on the team.

18. Dallas: Manny Lawson, LB, N.C. State
Lawson is the perfect complement to DeMarcus Ware.

19. San Diego: Jimmy Williams, DB, Virginia Tech
Williams can be a corner or safety and the Chargers need to replace Sammy Davis in the secondary.

20. Kansas City: Antonio Cromartie, CB, Florida State
Cromartie is a tremendous athlete and has had excellent workouts. The Chiefs really need to focus on defense in the draft.

21. New England: DeMeco Ryans, OLB, Alabama
The Patriots replace Willie McGinest with Ryans, a highly productive linebacker.

22. Denver: DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
The Broncos got the wide receiver earlier in the draft and the running back completes their first round.

23. Tampa Bay: Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
Kiwanuka can learn for a year behing Simeon Rice. He had 34 sacks in college.

24. Cincinnati: Nick Mangold, C, Ohio State
Bengals center Rich Braham is 36 years old and in the last year of his contract.

25. N.Y. Giants: Bobby Carpenter, OLB, Ohio State
The son of former Giants running back Rob Carpenter, he is a versatile linebacker than can fill two needs.

26. Chicago: Tye Hill, CB, Clemson
This pick could change if the Bears acquire a cornerback in free agency.

27. Carolina: Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota
With Stephen Davis gone, the Panthers need a back to complement DeShaun Foster.

28. Jacksonville: Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State
A slow time in the 40-yard dash drops Hali, but he could be used replace Paul Spicer.

29. N.Y. Jets: Eric Winston, OT, Miami
The Jets missed out on Ferguson earlier and left tackle is a top need.

30. Indianapolis: Thomas Howard, OLB, Texas-El Paso
USC running back LenDale White is there but the Colts also lost linebacker David Thornton.

31. Seattle: Davin Joseph, G, Oklahoma: Joseph is an immediate replacement for Steve Hutchinson.

32. Pittsburgh: Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas: White looks tempting, but Wright answers a bigger need.

Second Round
The second round looks as good as half of the first round and teams can really satisfy some of their pressing needs with players capable of making an early impact. Of course, some of the players selected in the first round could easily fall to the second round and a few of the following players could be taken in the first round.

33. Houston: Marcus McNeil, OT, Auburn
34. New Orleans: Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina
35. N.Y. Jets: Andrew Whitworth, OT, Louisiana State
36. Green Bay: Roger McIntosh, OLB, Miami
37. San Francisco: Jason Allen, DB, Tennessee
38. Oakland: Claude Wroten, DT, Louisiana State
39. Tennessee: Abdul Hodge, ILB, Iowa
40. Detroit: Kelly Jennings, CB, Miami
41. Arizona: Darnell Bing, S, USC
42. Buffalo: Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio State
43. Cleveland: Gabe Watson, DT, Michigan
44. Baltimore: Ko Simpson, S, South Carolina
45. Philadelphia: LenDale White, RB, USC
46. St. Louis: Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA
47. Atlanta: Deuce Lutui, G, USC
48. Minnesota: Anthony Fasano, TE, Notre Dame
49. Dallas: Pat Watkins, FS, Florida State
50. San Diego: Sinorice Moss, WR, Miami
51. Minnesota: Brodie Croyle, QB, Alabama
52. New England: Brian Calhoun, RB, Wisconsin
53. Washington: Ray Edwards, DE, Purdue
54. Kansas City: Donte Whitner, SS, Ohio State
55. Cincinnati: Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia
56. N.Y. Giants: Jon Scott, OT, Texas
57. Chicago: Joe Klopfenstein, TE, Colorado
58. Carolina: Max Jean-Gilles, G, Georgia
59. Tampa Bay: Daniel Bullocks, S, Nebraska
60. Jacksonville: Joseph Addai, RB, Louisiana State
61. Denver: Dominique Byrd, TE, USC
62. Indianapolis: Jerious Norwood, RB, Mississippi State
63. Seattle: Jon Alston, OLB, Stanford
64. Pittsburgh: Maurice Stoval, WR, Notre Dame


Ok, I really like that mock for the Chiefs.

milkman
04-16-2006, 11:05 PM
Whitner won't last until 54.

What's Kirwan smoking?

ChiefsCountry
04-16-2006, 11:24 PM
I dont like the Cromartie pick. Florida State guys scare me. Whitner now that is a hell of a pick, but I doubt he would be in the 2nd.

Mecca
04-16-2006, 11:41 PM
Ok, you need a better reason than "he's from FSU" on why you don't like Cromartie.

Ultra Peanut
04-17-2006, 12:16 AM
22. Denver: DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis **** you, Pat. :(

Miles
04-17-2006, 12:28 AM
Ok, you need a better reason than "he's from FSU" on why you don't like Cromartie.

I guess FSU produces too much NFL talent for him.

OnTheWarpath58
04-17-2006, 08:40 AM
Tye Hill and Tamba Hali drop to 26 and 28?

And we take Cromartie instead at 20?

Someone needs to create a smilie with a gun in its mouth........

I guess this will suffice for now.

:cuss:

Edit: And AJ hawk dropping to STL at 11?

:bong:

Mecca
04-17-2006, 09:25 AM
Tye Hill and Tamba Hali drop to 26 and 28?

And we take Cromartie instead at 20?

Someone needs to create a smilie with a gun in its mouth........

I guess this will suffice for now.

:cuss:

Edit: And AJ hawk dropping to STL at 11?

:bong:

Ok.....I think Hill and Cromartie rank about the same, Cromartie isn't quite as fast but has the size Hill doesn't. That is generally where Hali is projected......Kiper has him going to Seattle at 31.

I'm betting he has Hawk at 11 because LB's almost always drop on draft day.

Coogs
04-17-2006, 10:31 AM
Ok, you need a better reason than "he's from FSU" on why you don't like Cromartie.

Here is one for me. He basically did not play last season with a knee injury. Just say no to Cromartie.

ChiefsCountry
04-17-2006, 11:28 AM
Ok, you need a better reason than "he's from FSU" on why you don't like Cromartie.

Chief FSU players:

Tamarick Vanover
Brett Williams
Marvin Minnis
Danny McManus

See a trend here.

Mecca
04-17-2006, 11:34 AM
Chief FSU players:

Tamarick Vanover
Brett Williams
Marvin Minnis
Danny McManus

See a trend here.

Just like all Penn State RB's suck too......I just don't think that's a very good way to judge a player.

If Cromartie hadn't gotten injured, he along with Mario Williams and AJ Hawk would be the top 3 defenders in this draft. I just personally think his talent level is to high to not take at our pick, he has top 5 caliber ability.

He's working out, he'll be ready to play when the season starts. He's not Willis Mcgahee despite the fact that, that pick has worked out for Buffalo. An ACL isn't a death sentence for a career like it might have been 10 years ago. He has a much greater shot of being the same player he was always thought of as being than say Julian Battle does of coming back from his torn Achillies, yet alot of people think he's going to be fine.

Mr. Kotter
04-17-2006, 11:34 AM
Cromartie would be a good pick. Whitner would be good too.

They better have a plan for another DT or DE to be available and a steal in the third then....

Mecca
04-17-2006, 11:36 AM
Cromartie would be a good pick.

Finally someone who agrees with me, I think it's you and Rausch.....I'm really pulling in the big numbers with my opinion.

We can get Daryl Tapp in the 2nd who'd be a perfect fit as a cover 2 DE. I think he's got a pretty good shot at being a better pro than Hali.....

Dunit35
04-17-2006, 12:23 PM
Mecca you are starting to sell me on Cromartie. The pic on your avatar makes him look like a bad ass.

We'd have a awesome draft if this happened. But I highly doubt Whitner drops that low and we still would have no significant push up front.

Dunit35
04-17-2006, 12:26 PM
This makes me wonder though. Taken from NFL.com


3. Antonio Cromartie, Florida State (6-2 1/8, 208, 4.49)
Cromartie had a complete workout at the Combine, running his 40s in 4.47 and 4.52 with tight legs. He had a 38-inch vertical jump and an 11-foot long jump. He worked out again on March 16 at Florida State's Pro Day and ran 4.43 and 4.46 in the 40 with a 3.98 short shuttle and a 7.03 three-cone drill. Cromartie played wide receiver and cornerback in high school, was a star sprinter on the track team and started for the basketball team. He was the USA Today Defensive Player of the Year after his senior year in high school. Cromartie played as a true freshman at Florida State in 2003. He played as a nickelback in 2004 and missed all of 2005 with a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee. Cromartie is a big cornerback with great ball skills and has exceptional athletic ability for his size. He is a young player, turning 22 years old this April. He has the talent to be a Pro Bowl player, but there are questions about whether he is too big to play corner and will the knee injury affect his play in the future.


So, did he ever even start a game?

Chiefnj
04-17-2006, 12:36 PM
This makes me wonder though. Taken from NFL.com




So, did he ever even start a game?

I think he has one career start - their 2004 bowl game.

He's a great athlete, but is definately a project player.

Dunit35
04-17-2006, 12:43 PM
I think he has one career start - their 2004 bowl game.

He's a great athlete, but is definately a project player.

Well everyone knows we don't need a project player in the first round. He's such an amazing player yet he only started one game in his college career. I don't like that at all.

Ultra Peanut
04-17-2006, 02:39 PM
A guy with one career start who missed last season with a torn ACL... sounds like a great pick, to me.

Tye Hill and Tamba Hali drop to 26 and 28?

And we take Cromartie instead at 20?

Someone needs to create a smilie with a gun in its mouth........
http://random-m.com/images/664836885_emot-suicide.gif

Rain Man
04-17-2006, 07:08 PM
This makes me wonder though. Taken from NFL.com


3. Antonio Cromartie, Florida State (6-2 1/8, 208, 4.49)
Cromartie had a complete workout at the Combine, running his 40s in 4.47 and 4.52 with tight legs. He had a 38-inch vertical jump and an 11-foot long jump. He worked out again on March 16 at Florida State's Pro Day and ran 4.43 and 4.46 in the 40 with a 3.98 short shuttle and a 7.03 three-cone drill. Cromartie played wide receiver and cornerback in high school, was a star sprinter on the track team and started for the basketball team. He was the USA Today Defensive Player of the Year after his senior year in high school. Cromartie played as a true freshman at Florida State in 2003. He played as a nickelback in 2004 and missed all of 2005 with a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee. Cromartie is a big cornerback with great ball skills and has exceptional athletic ability for his size. He is a young player, turning 22 years old this April. He has the talent to be a Pro Bowl player, but there are questions about whether he is too big to play corner and will the knee injury affect his play in the future.


So, did he ever even start a game?

Uh-oh. We all know that Gun likes big guys on the perimeter. There's no way he'll take a short cornerback, no matter how good he is, and a guy who's over 6-2 is sure to light up Gun's eyes. In a couple of years, we may be the only team in the league whose defensive backfield could play in the NBA.

Mr. Laz
04-17-2006, 07:18 PM
we MUST get production from our 1st round pick this year.

the chiefs better be dam sure that cromartie IS ready for this year.

i don't hear any of this ... blah,blah,blah wait 3 years bullchit during training camp.

:cuss:

Mecca
04-17-2006, 09:35 PM
How many of you watched the FSU, Miami game that was in primetime 2 years ago. Cromartie looked like the best player on the field and that's saying something considering the talent on the field in that game. It's hard to forget the incredible over the shoulder INT he made. He pulled his groin late in the game and pleaded with coaches to let him go back in and they wouldn't......FSU ended up losing because they couldn't find anyone else to make a big play.

Sfeihc
04-18-2006, 08:34 AM
I would like that draft very much, especially if the Chiefs could grab a DE like Adeynaju from IU in the 3rd.

htismaqe
04-18-2006, 08:47 AM
Finally someone who agrees with me, I think it's you and Rausch.....I'm really pulling in the big numbers with my opinion.

We can get Daryl Tapp in the 2nd who'd be a perfect fit as a cover 2 DE. I think he's got a pretty good shot at being a better pro than Hali.....

I've always said that Cromartie would be a good pick for us. I would just rather see us address the DE or S spot, if the talent is there.

Mecca
04-18-2006, 08:50 AM
I've always said that Cromartie would be a good pick for us. I would just rather see us address the DE or S spot, if the talent is there.

I agree that we need those positions, I'm just breaking it down on how I see things playing out.

I think we get better value going CB, DE, S, so that's why I'm going the way I'm going. Of course that could all change the day of the draft.

Personally if it all broke out the way I think it will our draft would go

1-Antonio Cromartie
2-Daryl Tapp
3-Gregg Blue

htismaqe
04-18-2006, 08:57 AM
I agree that we need those positions, I'm just breaking it down on how I see things playing out.

I think we get better value going CB, DE, S, so that's why I'm going the way I'm going. Of course that could all change the day of the draft.

Personally if it all broke out the way I think it will our draft would go

1-Antonio Cromartie
2-Daryl Tapp
3-Gregg Blue

The biggest difference between you and I is how we rate Cromartie vs. Hali.

If it comes down to Hali or Cromartie, I take Hali.

Mecca
04-18-2006, 09:00 AM
Well I think Daryl Tapp and Tamba Hali are the exact same player just with different names. So I think we can get that exact same thing in the next round.

I'd take Tye Hill over Hali also, I just break the corners down as better rated players.

One of the main problems I have taking Hali first, is yes he is polished, But when scouting reports basically say "he is what he is" and the upside is basically really low I get leery. Not to mention he lacks a burst off the line and lacks instincts, I don't like to hear that.

htismaqe
04-18-2006, 09:32 AM
Well I think Daryl Tapp and Tamba Hali are the exact same player just with different names. So I think we can get that exact same thing in the next round.

I'd take Tye Hill over Hali also, I just break the corners down as better rated players.

One of the main problems I have taking Hali first, is yes he is polished, But when scouting reports basically say "he is what he is" and the upside is basically really low I get leery. Not to mention he lacks a burst off the line and lacks instincts, I don't like to hear that.

I don't think Tapp and Hali are the same player at all, based on watching them.

And in the Chiefs' situation, I wouldn't take a CB over a DE at all, simply because we need help NOW, and CB's usually take at least a year to contribute, even if they're top 5 talent.

Mecca
04-18-2006, 09:38 AM
I think these next 2 drafts especially, need to be about taking the best guys on the board at our picks. When you factor in the age of our team, how bad the defense is. I think we in general need some young cornerstone players regardless of position.

Tambi Hali may be a good player but he isn't going to put us over the top in a Superbowl run. I'm in alot of ways thinking about where we're gonna be in 3-4 years now.

I just think the overall talent of Cromartie is to good to pass for a defense that lacks talent. If we were picking higher no I wouldn't take Cromartie. But at 20 when the "lock" guys are gone. I'm looking at risk reward and I think Cromarties weighs out pretty well at that pick.

I expect Hali to be an above average NFL DE. Get his 5-8 sacks and have a pretty solid career. Nothing Pro Bowl nothing to get overly excited about.

Now Cromartie on the other hand could develop into a top 5 CB in the league. I think his upside for our situation is to good to pass on.

htismaqe
04-18-2006, 09:39 AM
The problem is that Cromartie has just as good of a chance of never starting a game in the NFL, too.

That kind of risk is OK in the 2nd or 3rd, but not at #20 in the 1st.

Mecca
04-18-2006, 09:43 AM
We'll never know cause I'd bet money there's no way he goes lower than Jacksonville or Chicago. I think either of those teams will jump all over him.

htismaqe
04-18-2006, 10:04 AM
I guess my problem is more with the Chiefs than Cromartie.

Our draft history is HORRIBLE, largely because we tend to take guys like Cromartie all the time. Problem is, the guys we take always end up being busts...

Yes, Cromartie has tremendous upside. But the Chiefs don't have the luxury of trying to hit a home run right now. They're batting about .133 and need to concentrate on getting a base hit.

Mecca
04-18-2006, 10:23 AM
I guess my problem is more with the Chiefs than Cromartie.

Our draft history is HORRIBLE, largely because we tend to take guys like Cromartie all the time. Problem is, the guys we take always end up being busts...

Yes, Cromartie has tremendous upside. But the Chiefs don't have the luxury of trying to hit a home run right now. They're batting about .133 and need to concentrate on getting a base hit.

I would generally agree with you on this probably 95% of the time. But I'm making an exception for Cromartie. The first time I saw him play I though he would be a star in the NFL. Then I became convinced of that when I saw him make great plays and look like the best player on the field in prime time against the Canes.

Cromartie with me is more sticking to my guns in that I thought he would be a top 5 pick and we'd never have a shot at him. Now that we do I badly want him in a Chiefs uniform.

I generally don't like to gamble on the first day of drafts, but this is 1 of the times I think it's worth it. To me his talent level and upside is worth the risk for us. He pans out we get a player we probably should have never had a shot at. And if he doesn't and he's our pick, every person on this board can take turns lambasting me about how I was wrong.

I'm generally pretty good on accessing who'll be good and who won't be good but hey I could be wrong.

I will say if we pick Hali and he's not good, I will take sometime to let everyone know since he's been pimped up on this board like he's the next coming by alot of people. But then I'll be pissed again that another one of our picks isn't good.

In short I think sometimes there are gambles worth taking. The Chiefs generally take really stupid ones...see Siavii. I think Cromartie is a calculated well thought out gamble that is worth taking.