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Duck Dog
04-18-2006, 07:04 AM
The witch hunt has resulted in the arrest of two white scapegoats.
Fair and Balanced Link (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192085,00.html)

StcChief
04-18-2006, 07:05 AM
Still need evidence, drunk hooker's word won't hold up in court.

Saulbadguy
04-18-2006, 07:06 AM
I'm going to buy me one of these.

http://www.lacrosse.com/Images/Catalog/ProductImages/300/04852.JPG

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 07:07 AM
Yeah..I really wonder what actual evidence there is...because based on what I've seen in reports...the hooker doesn't have a leg to stand on.

jspchief
04-18-2006, 07:09 AM
The DA has too much pride to admit he was duped by a hooker.

Now he's going to get his ass kicked all over the courtroom, further demonstrating how inept he is.

No DNA, the photos, and the credibility of a stripper makes this a slam dunk for the defense.

Mecca
04-18-2006, 07:13 AM
It made it funnier when I saw Jesse Jackson on TV acting as though they had obviously commited a crime.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 07:16 AM
It made it funnier when I saw Jesse Jackson on TV acting as though they had obviously commited a crime.

His organization is going to pay for her to go to college so she doesn't have to "sell her body"...Guess what Rev....she didn't have to do that in the first place.

jaxchiefsclub
04-18-2006, 07:25 AM
Yeah..I really wonder what actual evidence there is...because based on what I've seen in reports...the hooker doesn't have a leg to stand on.

I was under the impression that most hookers spent their time on their backs.

:shrug:

Simplex3
04-18-2006, 07:27 AM
Still need evidence, drunk hooker's word won't hold up in court.
Depends on the judge. I can assure you that you can find 12 people in this country so brazenly PC that they'd lock these poor guys up for no reason other than a black woman made a "serious accusation".

jspchief
04-18-2006, 07:29 AM
Depends on the judge. I can assure you that you can find 12 people in this country so brazenly PC that they'd lock these poor guys up for no reason other than a black woman made a "serious accusation".I think it's a lot more likely that they'll find 12 people that would summarily dismiss the testimony of a black stripper.

And while the DA needs to find 12 of those PC people, the defense only needs to find one closet racist or uber-conservative elitist.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 07:32 AM
Do people know that 2/3rds of this LaX team is from Jersey, NY, and Maryland?

jspchief
04-18-2006, 07:33 AM
Do people know that 2/3rds of this LaX team is from Jersey, NY, and Maryland?Point?

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 07:34 AM
Point?

In the media..I get the feeling that they're trying to paint this as a southern racist thing.

Ari Chi3fs
04-18-2006, 07:38 AM
I'm going to buy me one of these.

http://www.lacrosse.com/Images/Catalog/ProductImages/300/04852.JPG


Heh. I thought about the same thing. Classic.

jaxchiefsclub
04-18-2006, 07:39 AM
Are these photos posted on the web anywhere?

jspchief
04-18-2006, 07:39 AM
In the media..I get the feeling that they're trying to paint this as a southern racist thing.They're already trying to paint it as such. The area where Duke is already has a figurative set of railroad tracks seperating the the rich white community and the poor black community. And the blacks were crying racism from the start, wondering where all the arrests were.

Personally, I think that's the only reason the DA hasn't dropped this thing for the farce that it is.

HemiEd
04-18-2006, 07:39 AM
I'm going to buy me one of these.

http://www.lacrosse.com/Images/Catalog/ProductImages/300/04852.JPG


ROFL I want one too.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 07:40 AM
Are these photos posted on the web anywhere?


No. We can get photos on anything going on in Iraq...but a hooker in durham?...Nope.

pikesome
04-18-2006, 08:02 AM
His organization is going to pay for her to go to college so she doesn't have to "sell her body"...Guess what Rev....she didn't have to do that in the first place.

You want to know what I've learned from this? If your black and you claim to be abused by the white man, you get money.

jspchief
04-18-2006, 08:03 AM
You want to know what I've learned from this? If your black and you claim to be abused by the white man, you get money.That's nothing. If you're injun and claim to be abused by the white man, you get casinos.

RedNFeisty
04-18-2006, 08:41 AM
They are not supposed to release any pictures or information on the girl due to the charges. Why do you guys think she is lying? Isn't she a mom trying to pay her way through college? There is no way a rowdy group of guys could have wanted a piece and when the brown sugar said no they said **** that and took it anyway? Normally I question the girls, but for some reason I don't think she is full of shit. It may not have been any of the boys on the team, but I do think a few got their hands on her. Just because they have money and play Lacrosse (gay ass sport) does not mean they didn't do it, to me it makes me think they may have and thought they could get away with it because of their standing and wealth.

jspchief
04-18-2006, 08:44 AM
They are not supposed to release any pictures or information on the girl due to the charges. Why do you guys think she is lying? Isn't she a mom trying to pay her way through college? There is no way a rowdy group of guys could have wanted a piece and when the brown sugar said no they said **** that and took it anyway? Normally I question the girls, but for some reason I don't think she is full of shit. It may not have been any of the boys on the team, but I do think a few got their hands on her. Just because they have money and play Lacrosse (gay ass sport) does not mean they didn't do it, to me it makes me think they may have and thought they could get away with it because of their standing and wealth.The evidence/lack of evidence coupled with her career choice is what makes me reluctant to believe her side of the story.

It's certainly believable that a couple dickhead college guys raped her. But in conjunction with the evidence made public, it's more believable to me that a poor stripper is trying to make a buck off some rich college kids.

Saulbadguy
04-18-2006, 08:45 AM
To me, a stripper is just a whore that pays taxes. That's why I don't trust her word. The whole "lack of evidence" thing doesnt' really bother me.

pikesome
04-18-2006, 08:51 AM
They are not supposed to release any pictures or information on the girl due to the charges. Why do you guys think she is lying? Isn't she a mom trying to pay her way through college? There is no way a rowdy group of guys could have wanted a piece and when the brown sugar said no they said **** that and took it anyway? Normally I question the girls, but for some reason I don't think she is full of shit. It may not have been any of the boys on the team, but I do think a few got their hands on her. Just because they have money and play Lacrosse (gay ass sport) does not mean they didn't do it, to me it makes me think they may have and thought they could get away with it because of their standing and wealth.

No one knows for sure what happened or what evidence the DA has but I think the general consensus here is that she isn't very credible. The lack of DNA evidence, the reported pictures, the timing of the report, the reported name calling in front of the house and the questionable nature of the whole accusation combined with what happened to Kobe means, at least at the time being, that the accuser looks uncredible. Is she, we don't know. But considering that the teams season was cancelled, the coach quit, and that there have been protests and calls of "racism" already by people who probably don't know more than has been reported, I wouldn't pick a position on this issue and hold on to it very tight, there just isn't enough proof one way or the other at the moment.

RedNFeisty
04-18-2006, 08:58 AM
She is a stripper therefore she must be a bottom dweller? There are very smart women out there that know the money that is to be made, just because she is choosing that career at this time does not mean she has no morals and is a lair.

Someone beat the shit out of her, it could be that she had it done, but not all women would do such a thing and just because she is a stripper doesnít mean that she would either. The lack of evidence, so they didnít find any seamen that doesnít mean the act never took place.

I understand there are women out there that would do such a thing, than there are others that bad things happen to. If she is lying, and people get in trouble due to her, than I hope she rots in hell.

RedNFeisty
04-18-2006, 09:00 AM
No one knows for sure what happened or what evidence the DA has but I think the general consensus here is that she isn't very credible. The lack of DNA evidence, the reported pictures, the timing of the report, the reported name calling in front of the house and the questionable nature of the whole accusation combined with what happened to Kobe means, at least at the time being, that the accuser looks uncredible. Is she, we don't know. But considering that the teams season was cancelled, the coach quit, and that there have been protests and calls of "racism" already by people who probably don't know more than has been reported, I wouldn't pick a position on this issue and hold on to it very tight, there just isn't enough proof one way or the other at the moment.

If the coach quit, wouldn't that lead you to believe someone on the team is lying? It does me, why else would a person step down? If I am innocent, I am fighting to the death.

jspchief
04-18-2006, 09:02 AM
She is a stripper therefore she must be a bottom dweller? There are very smart women out there that know the money that is to be made, just because she is choosing that career at this time does not mean she has no morals and is a lair.

Someone beat the shit out of her, it could be that she had it done, but not all women would do such a thing and just because she is a stripper doesnít mean that she would either. The lack of evidence, so they didnít find any seamen that doesnít mean the act never took place.

I understand there are women out there that would do such a thing, than there are others that bad things happen to. If she is lying, and people get in trouble due to her, than I hope she rots in hell.There are a lot of ways to get through tough times that don't involve degrading yourself for money. I think the fact that she's a stripper is something of note when trying to determine her character. Are they all scum? No, but most of them are. On the flip side, most college kids aren't rapists.

I'm not the jury in the courtroom, so I'm at the disadvantage of making up my opinion based on limted facts. Those facts, at this point, lead me to believe she's lying.

Katipan
04-18-2006, 09:04 AM
The boys admitted it and turned themselves in.

Katipan
04-18-2006, 09:06 AM
Oh I thought that sounded wrong. They just turned themselves in?

Brock
04-18-2006, 09:11 AM
If the coach quit, wouldn't that lead you to believe someone on the team is lying? It does me, why else would a person step down? If I am innocent, I am fighting to the death.

He stepped down because his team is out of control, and he was warned about it last year.

pikesome
04-18-2006, 09:11 AM
She is a stripper therefore she must be a bottom dweller? There are very smart women out there that know the money that is to be made, just because she is choosing that career at this time does not mean she has no morals and is a lair.

Someone beat the shit out of her, it could be that she had it done, but not all women would do such a thing and just because she is a stripper doesnít mean that she would either. The lack of evidence, so they didnít find any seamen that doesnít mean the act never took place.

I understand there are women out there that would do such a thing, than there are others that bad things happen to. If she is lying, and people get in trouble due to her, than I hope she rots in hell.

I would argue the outside of Hollywood the smart, competent striper/hooker myth is just that. If she fit into the smart woman making her money while she can, I seriously doubt she would be working a party at a college house.

The reported details of this don't paint the accuser in a good light while nothing cast any extra suspicion on the accused. She says they raped her but outside of the accusation, there is nothing reported so far to bolster her case. On the other hand, the are a small list of things that seem to back the accused claims. None of this is enough to decide one way or the other but I think you'd be foolish to support the accuser at this moment. I personally believe that she went, danced, they treated her like shit, she got pissed-off and decided to do something about it. Years of listening to my father tell stories about custody cases has led me to believe that just about anyone is capable of lying to the police to hurt someone else.

Simplex3
04-18-2006, 09:27 AM
If the coach quit, wouldn't that lead you to believe someone on the team is lying? It does me, why else would a person step down? If I am innocent, I am fighting to the death.
The smart play is to slink away before the media starts running your name and picture. The moment this chick made the accusation every player on the team was a rapist and a racist and he's the guy that assembled them. Facts be damned.

If we're going to keep the names and pictures of the accuser out of rape cases then we need to do the same for the defendent(s). I read a study by a police dept. that over 40% of their rape claims were later recanted by the "victim" or proven false before the case even went to court. They estimated that only 20% of the claims were actually rapes, the rest were buyer's remorse, revenge, etc. However, the man that was accused is still going to be labeled a rapist forever in that community. You never see the nightly news lead with "This guy who was charged with rape was found innocent, here's the picture of the bitch who tried to frame him".

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 09:28 AM
They are not supposed to release any pictures or information on the girl due to the charges. Why do you guys think she is lying? Isn't she a mom trying to pay her way through college? There is no way a rowdy group of guys could have wanted a piece and when the brown sugar said no they said **** that and took it anyway? Normally I question the girls, but for some reason I don't think she is full of shit. It may not have been any of the boys on the team, but I do think a few got their hands on her. Just because they have money and play Lacrosse (gay ass sport) does not mean they didn't do it, to me it makes me think they may have and thought they could get away with it because of their standing and wealth.

I think she's lying because bitches are liars...J/k..

Honestly...her story doesn't add up. There is no way that she got blown up like she says and there is no DNA. She was drunk. The first officer on the scene said she looked calm, and not like a person who'd been raped. Pictures before the party show her already bruised up about the head and neck. It just doesn't add up. She said there were 3 attackers...they arrested 2. This wreaks of a lie.

Simplex3
04-18-2006, 09:29 AM
Someone beat the shit out of her, it could be that she had it done, but not all women would do such a thing and just because she is a stripper doesnít mean that she would either. The lack of evidence, so they didnít find any seamen that doesnít mean the act never took place.
Time-stamped pictures from the party show she was beat up when she got there. There is no DNA evidence that matches any of the Duke players. I'd say it's pretty open and shut.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 09:34 AM
She is a stripper therefore she must be a bottom dweller? There are very smart women out there that know the money that is to be made, just because she is choosing that career at this time does not mean she has no morals.



I disagree..If she had morals...she'd keep her cloths on. She doesn't have morals and ultimately...no matter what actually happened...has no one to blame but herself. That's not to say she deserved to be "raped"
(if that actually happened)..but she did but herself in that position.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 09:35 AM
Years of listening to my father tell stories about custody cases has led me to believe that just about anyone is capable of lying to the police to hurt someone else.

you've got that right.

ENDelt260
04-18-2006, 10:18 AM
To me, a stripper is just a whore that pays taxes. That's why I don't trust her word. The whole "lack of evidence" thing doesnt' really bother me.
Since when do strippers pay taxes?

RedNFeisty
04-18-2006, 10:31 AM
I don't know if it happened or not, I just don't think she should be dismissed just because she is a stripper. Again, I haven't followed it closely. Also, just because she is a stripper does not mean she is without morals imo. I knew a lady in Florida, her husband was in the Air Force she was bored so she started dancing, she made great, great money, never did any of the clients and she loved to dance, granted she is one in a million but there are girls just paying for college as well.

ENDelt260
04-18-2006, 10:35 AM
there are girls just paying for college as well.

I thought that's what they were all doing...

jidar
04-18-2006, 10:41 AM
I don't see anything here to indicate who is lying or not. Generalizations are generally speaking, dumb.

jspchief
04-18-2006, 10:48 AM
I don't know if it happened or not, I just don't think she should be dismissed just because she is a stripper. Again, I haven't followed it closely. Also, just because she is a stripper does not mean she is without morals imo. I knew a lady in Florida, her husband was in the Air Force she was bored so she started dancing, she made great, great money, never did any of the clients and she loved to dance, granted she is one in a million but there are girls just paying for college as well.I think most people would consider taking off your clothes for strangers an extreme measure to take in the name of earning money. My feeling is, if a person is willing to stoop to that level for money, how much lower might they be willing to go?

It's not the sole issue, but it's a relevant piece.

Chiefnj
04-18-2006, 10:59 AM
Time-stamped pictures from the party show she was beat up when she got there. There is no DNA evidence that matches any of the Duke players. I'd say it's pretty open and shut.

How and why were time stamped pictures taken at the party?

jspchief
04-18-2006, 11:07 AM
How and why were time stamped pictures taken at the party?My camera is set to time stamp every photo.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 11:09 AM
How and why were time stamped pictures taken at the party?

I've never had strippers/hookers show up to the party and a) not have a tough guy you would want to upset. b) allow pictures to be taken. c) Would do anything you want for the right price.

Chiefnj
04-18-2006, 11:11 AM
My camera is set to time stamp every photo.

Can the time be adjusted after the photo was taken?

Why take pictures of some skank at the times they did? Aren't there allegedly photos of her arriving, leaving carrying nail polish, etc? I could see people taking photos during her act or whatever by why document every single moment she was at the party? If the kids did take photos and document everything and they show what is rumored, good for them because it looks like it would exhonerate them, but it just strikes me as odd.

StcChief
04-18-2006, 11:12 AM
I've never had strippers/hookers show up to the party and a) not have a tough guy you would want to upset. b) allow pictures to be taken. c) Would do anything you want for the right price.

If she's working mom, in college she may be running her own show to save $$, hoping nothing happens.

jspchief
04-18-2006, 11:18 AM
Can the time be adjusted after the photo was taken?

Why take pictures of some skank at the times they did? Aren't there allegedly photos of her arriving, leaving carrying nail polish, etc? I could see people taking photos during her act or whatever by why document every single moment she was at the party? If the kids did take photos and document everything and they show what is rumored, good for them because it looks like it would exhonerate them, but it just strikes me as odd.
1. No. At least not on my camera. The only way they could have manipulated that was to set the incorrect time before they took the picture post-rape. In other words, it would have taken some serious conspiring beforehand.

2. I don't think these photos are neccessarily all taken with the intent to provide evidence. Stripper arrives, and I take photo of Joe and Bob with arms around newly arrived skank, bruises and all. Later take photo of Gary make crude gesture with beer bong in hand, stripper painting nails in background. You get the point. All it takes is that one guy that photographs everything, and there's a fair chance that you'll catch a lot of things that were going on at a party. The stuff that ended up being evidence could have just happened to be in the photos taken.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 11:18 AM
If she's working mom, in college she may be running her own show to save $$, hoping nothing happens.

Maybe...

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 11:23 AM
from Sin..aka CNN

"The newspaper identified Seligmann'shometown as Essex Fells, New Jersey, and Finnerty's as Garden City, New York.
In November, Finnerty was arrested on assault charges in Washington, according to the paper. Citing his attorney, the paper said Finnerty had been ordered to perform community service and the charges would be dropped if he performs the service and avoids new arrests."

nychief
04-18-2006, 11:27 AM
In the media..I get the feeling that they're trying to paint this as a southern racist thing.


no their not. it has been painted what it is, a elitist northeastern super macho douch bag thing.

nychief
04-18-2006, 11:29 AM
No. We can get photos on anything going on in Iraq...but a hooker in durham?...Nope.


what does this mean?

nychief
04-18-2006, 11:31 AM
Wow, this is really snarky white midwestern thread. Jesus Christ, the DA has enough evidence to charge these idiots in such high profile case, I think we should just sit back and see what happens.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 11:32 AM
what does this mean?

I'm saying the CNN(example) can come up with pictures from the most depraved thing going on half way around the world, but they can't come up with photos of an already beaten hooker in Durham, North Carolina.

nychief
04-18-2006, 11:34 AM
I'm saying the CNN(example) can come up with pictures from the most depraved thing going on half way around the world, but they can't come up with photos of an already beaten hooker in Durham, North Carolina.

it is a sexual assault case, they protect the identity of the victim.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 11:36 AM
Wow, this is really snarky white midwestern thread. Jesus Christ, the DA has enough evidence to charge these idiots in such high profile case, I think we should just sit back and see what happens.

what I want to know is when is the hooker goings to be audited by the IRS? Because has previously mentioned...hookers don't generally pay taxes. I'd bet my own money she is operating a business without a business license. And I'll bet stripping/hooking is illegal in Durham as well.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 11:37 AM
it is a sexual assault case, they protect the identity of the victim.

I understand that, but the accused should be extened that same courtesy. And believe me it is a courtesy.

jspchief
04-18-2006, 11:42 AM
Wow, this is really snarky white midwestern thread. Jesus Christ, the DA has enough evidence to charge these idiots in such high profile case, I think we should just sit back and see what happens.I've already admitted that my opinon is based on the limited information available. But that's what we have. We're not jurors, we're just people talking about it, and our opinions formed on limited knowledge have no bearing on the case.

Right now, it's walking like a duck and talking like a duck. If tommorrow, I see a picture and it's a chicken, I can simply change my mind. How is my opinion that she's lying any less legitimate than your opinion that she's not?

But yea, I'm snarky and white and midwestern and I think the DA in this case has backed himself into a corner with the way he handled it from the start.

bogie
04-18-2006, 11:42 AM
I have to admit that it seems there is something fishy here. However, imo, the stripper should not be the only person held accountable. There would be nothing to talk about had these boys not hired the stripper in the first place. In the eyes of you guys putting down the stripper for being a stripper, aren't the people that hire the stripper as immoral as the stripper?

ENDelt260
04-18-2006, 11:45 AM
Wait... thinking that strippers lie is a midwest thing? I would think that would fly in the face of the usual looking down your nose at midwesterners bit... Shouldn't the midwest guys be the ones naive to believe her name really is Candy, and she's going to finish her criminal justice degree next semester, and, oh my gosh, repairing transmissions for a living is so hot...

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 11:47 AM
I have to admit that it seems there is something fishy here. However, imo, the stripper should not be the only person held accountable. There would be nothing to talk about had these boys not hired the stripper in the first place. In the eyes of you guys putting down the stripper for being a stripper, aren't the people that hire the stripper as immoral as the stripper?

I agree with you. But now it's at a level where IMO the only these guys did wrong was hire a stripper. What she has done at this point by falsely accusing these people is in a whole other realm.

jspchief
04-18-2006, 11:48 AM
I have to admit that it seems there is something fishy here. However, imo, the stripper should not be the only person held accountable. There would be nothing to talk about had these boys not hired the stripper in the first place. In the eyes of you guys putting down the stripper for being a stripper, aren't the people that hire the stripper as immoral as the stripper?As immoral? Maybe.

IMO, a stripper lying to police for money may be a smaller leap than guys who like strippers becoming rapists.

Besides, it's been said more than once that her being a stripper is only part of the equation.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 11:50 AM
Wow, this is really snarky white midwestern thread. Jesus Christ, the DA has enough evidence to charge these idiots in such high profile case, I think we should just sit back and see what happens.

And btw...I live 2 hours from Durham.

jidar
04-18-2006, 12:03 PM
Being righteous and judgemental fits a midwesterner stereo type.
Again though, generalizing is worthless. I see no point in calling it a midwestern theme.

Around here though, there definately seems to be a bit of righteousness. There is an awful lot of authority about how shakey the case is but no mention of things like:


On Wednesday, authorities unsealed documents stating that less than two hours after the alleged rape, a player sent an e-mail saying he was planning an encore to "tonights (sic) show." The message, addressed "To whom it may concern," said, "however there will be no nudity."

"I plan on killing the bitches as soon as the(y) walk in and proceding to cut their skin off," the author wrote, adding in vulgar terms that he would find the act sexually satisfying. The e-mail was signed with what police said is the player's jersey number.

Taken from: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060406/ap_on_sp_co_ne/duke_lacrosse_investigation
Hrm..


I find the outcry against strippers somewhat distasteful myself. I don't personally know any strippers but I've been known to look at a naked chick and enjoy it (hell in a strip club a couple of times even) so If I were to judge them for what they're doing it would be a bit hipocritical on my part.
I also don't think that a bunch of known trouble makers who likely have the same types of attitudes as we're seeing on this forum are that unlikely to rape a stripper. Especially not enough to just dismiss the whole case outright as most of you seem to be doing.

I don't know what happened, but neither does anyone else. Most of the facts are closed folks.

munkey
04-18-2006, 12:04 PM
I just hate the whole black/white thing this is becoming. If it were a white woman accusing a couple of black guys would there be a dozen or so white people sitting outside the house of the accused picketing? Racism at it's finest....Either way you look at it even if these guys are found not guilty they still will be guilty in the eyes many.

ENDelt260
04-18-2006, 12:06 PM
If it were a white woman accusing a couple of black guys would there be a dozen or so white people sitting outside the house of the accused picketing?

What would be the point? They would've been lynched by now. Silly.

Demonpenz
04-18-2006, 12:08 PM
If the roles were reversed they would it would be call the vikings

munkey
04-18-2006, 12:08 PM
What would be the point? They would've been lynched by now. Silly.

:doh!:

ENDelt260
04-18-2006, 12:09 PM
I find the outcry against strippers somewhat distasteful myself. I don't personally know any strippers but I've been known to look at a naked chick and enjoy it (hell in a strip club a couple of times even) so If I were to judge them for what they're doing it would be a bit hipocritical on my part.

My enjoyment of strippers over the years is what afforded me the opportunity to observe that many are dishonest.

It's not hypocrisy to keep your eyes open while you're having fun.

munkey
04-18-2006, 12:09 PM
If the roles were reversed they would it would be call the vikings


:spock:

munkey
04-18-2006, 12:11 PM
My enjoyment of strippers over the years is what afforded me the opportunity to observe that many are dishonest.

It's not hypocrisy to keep your eyes open while you're having fun.

Ahh....My favorite was "Franky" and my god was she hot...I wonder if that was her real name :hmmm:

jidar
04-18-2006, 12:12 PM
My enjoyment of strippers over the years is what afforded me the opportunity to observe that many are dishonest.

It's not hypocrisy to keep your eyes open while you're having fun.


I suppose generalizations aren't completely worthless, but in something as serious as this, I don't think they should play that big of a part.

ENDelt260
04-18-2006, 12:12 PM
Ahh....My favorite was "Franky" and my god was she hot...I wonder if that was her real name :hmmm:
I bet she really liked you, too.

Cochise
04-18-2006, 12:12 PM
They have to have something or the judge wouldn't be going along here.

I agree that some peeler who showed up plastered to a college sports team's party at midnight isn't exactly a credible source. But surely they have some kind of evidence other than her word.

Cochise
04-18-2006, 12:13 PM
I bet she really liked you, too.

"Sure honey, I'm a hot 20 year old coed, but I love 50something, stocky guys who make $9 an hour..."



(not that this guy is that, I'm just saying. peeler flattery is worth less than their corny jewelery)

munkey
04-18-2006, 12:14 PM
They have to have something or the judge wouldn't be going along here.



I don't think the judge has anything to do with pressing charges....It's strictly the DA's decision.

Cochise
04-18-2006, 12:15 PM
I don't think the judge has anything to do with pressing charges....It's strictly the DA's decision.

He issued warrants earlier didn't he? He had to think there was at least some kind of a case if he did that.

munkey
04-18-2006, 12:16 PM
I bet she really liked you, too.

She did...

Especially after say $70 one dollar bills. I'm sure my money went a loongg way to expanding her knowledge in college.

ENDelt260
04-18-2006, 12:17 PM
She did...

Especially after say $70 one dollar bills. I'm sure my money went a loongg way to expanding her knowledge in college.
Or at least her next eight ball.

Duck Dog
04-18-2006, 12:18 PM
I don't know if it happened or not, I just don't think she should be dismissed just because she is a stripper. Again, I haven't followed it closely. Also, just because she is a stripper does not mean she is without morals imo. I knew a lady in Florida, her husband was in the Air Force she was bored so she started dancing, she made great, great money, never did any of the clients and she loved to dance, granted she is one in a million but there are girls just paying for college as well.


No doubt about it, there are some very smart ones out there making a small fortune. However, those girls probably don't show up to a 'party' drunk and bruised and then continue to drink until they pass out.

munkey
04-18-2006, 12:21 PM
He issued warrants earlier didn't he? He had to think there was at least some kind of a case if he did that.

I'd have to check but "yes" the judge would sign a "warrant" but that doesn't neccessarly mean he agree's with the DA's case. It only suggests that the Judge see's probable cause to arrest based on the DA's information.

memyselfI
04-18-2006, 12:23 PM
Depends on the judge. I can assure you that you can find 12 people in this country so brazenly PC that they'd lock these poor guys up for no reason other than a black woman made a "serious accusation".

Actually, it depends on whether or not the DA has someone there who is cooperating with the prosecution and can back up the alleged victim's account. It seems to me that without DNA this is the ONLY way he'd be able to pursue a charge against the players based on the word of the victim/stripper.

That being said, being a stripper does not make one a ho nor a willing rape victim. There are far too many unknowns here to judge the merits of the case.

munkey
04-18-2006, 12:25 PM
Or at least her next eight ball.


NO, NO, NO.....

She's was going to college I tell you!


I swear stripping is like junior college for some hot chicks.

jspchief
04-18-2006, 12:26 PM
He issued warrants earlier didn't he? He had to think there was at least some kind of a case if he did that.I don't think issuing warrants that give a DA legal avenues to do their investigation neccessarily means that he thinks they have anything other than a good reason to pursue those angles.

Someone claiming rape, along with bruises and other evidence leads me to believe that a search and investigation was in line. That doesn't mean that after those searches turned up nothing, there's still a case.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 12:32 PM
"On Wednesday, authorities unsealed documents stating that less than two hours after the alleged rape, a player sent an e-mail saying he was planning an encore to "tonights (sic) show." The message, addressed "To whom it may concern," said, "however there will be no nudity."

"I plan on killing the bitches as soon as the(y) walk in and proceding to cut their skin off," the author wrote, adding in vulgar terms that he would find the act sexually satisfying. The e-mail was signed with what police said is the player's jersey number."

From what I've been told that was circulated because they strippers didn't dance after they'd been paid. Further more...the person that wrote that email was not arrested.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 12:34 PM
They have to have something or the judge wouldn't be going along here.

I agree that some peeler who showed up plastered to a college sports team's party at midnight isn't exactly a credible source. But surely they have some kind of evidence other than her word.

Yeah the other evidence is she shows injuries consistence of a person that has beens exually assaulted...but what hooker doesn't? Maybe one of her john's that day liked it a little rough.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 12:37 PM
That being said, being a stripper does not make one a ho nor a willing rape victim. There are far too many unknowns here to judge the merits of the case.

I've never met a stripper that wasn't a hooker and vice versa. bottom line...for an amount less than 800 I'd bet this "stripper" would do whatever you desired.

pikesome
04-18-2006, 12:39 PM
I don't think the judge has anything to do with pressing charges....It's strictly the DA's decision.

I'm not a lawyer so on and so forth but indictments are handed out by a grand jury which only has to find that enough evidence exists to have a trial. It's a much, much, much lower bar than a conviction.

memyselfI
04-18-2006, 01:04 PM
I've never met a stripper that wasn't a hooker and vice versa. bottom line...for an amount less than 800 I'd bet this "stripper" would do whatever you desired.

Well, your experience obviously is more extensive than my own...

But, from I've seen on documentaries on HBO that featured strippers and exotic dancers from really nice places with very pretty women, the girls made more than enough money stripping that they didn't need prostitute themselves. If you are talking strippers from dives off of Chouteau Trafficway then I think you are probably right.

Without knowing the specifics of the case, if the boys in this case thought the way you do then they no doubt felt entitled to 'sex' after paying for stripping. :rolleyes:

Duck Dog
04-18-2006, 01:05 PM
I've never met a stripper that wasn't a hooker and vice versa. bottom line...for an amount less than 800 I'd bet this "stripper" would do whatever you desired.


Been to a bacholar party lately? $800.00 will get you a lesbian porn show with two hot babes. The last one I saw last summer one girl tore the other up with the handle of a hammer. Looked like she was raped to me.

memyselfI
04-18-2006, 01:07 PM
Been to a bacholar party lately? $800.00 will get you a lesbian porn show with two hot babes. The last one I saw last summer one girl tore the other up with the handle of a hammer. Looked like she was raped to me.

Ah, good to know there is still quality entertainment out there... :banghead: :shake:

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 01:07 PM
I'm not a lawyer so on and so forth but indictments are handed out by a grand jury which only has to find that enough evidence exists to have a trial. It's a much, much, much lower bar than a conviction.

Correct...these guys have been arrested on the whim of local citizens in a grand jury based on a limited presentation of evidence.

munkey
04-18-2006, 01:08 PM
I've never met a stripper that wasn't a hooker and vice versa. bottom line...for an amount less than 800 I'd bet this "stripper" would do whatever you desired.

$800.00?

Setting the bar a little high are we?

I've seen them do alot for much less....

Jenny Gump
04-18-2006, 01:10 PM
Yeah..I really wonder what actual evidence there is...because based on what I've seen in reports...the hooker doesn't have a leg to stand on.

They raped a legless hooker? That's just wrong.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 01:14 PM
Well, your experience obviously is more extensive than my own...

But, from I've seen on documentaries on HBO that featured strippers and exotic dancers from really nice places with very pretty women, the girls made more than enough money stripping that they didn't need prostitute themselves. If you are talking strippers from dives off of Chouteau Trafficway then I think you are probably right.

Without knowing the specifics of the case, if the boys in this case thought the way you do then they no doubt felt entitled to 'sex' after paying for stripping. :rolleyes:

I can tell you Denise..that I've been to more of these events than worth counting...you pay to get the strippers to come out...they you throw ones at them all night....then for more cash you have a private session. It's the way it works. I've never been in any group where the gents thought they were entitled to sex with the stripper. Those girls from the HBO productions you watch will have sex with you..it's more than most can afford or are willing to pay. Like I said...it's rare that a stripper and a hooker are different. She'll already take her colths off for cash...getting furhter only requires that you sweeten the pot.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 01:15 PM
$800.00?

Setting the bar a little high are we?

I've seen them do alot for much less....

I was being nice.

Duck Dog
04-18-2006, 02:10 PM
Ah, good to know there is still quality entertainment out there... :banghead: :shake:

The point is, her baby maker looked very roughed up after being ground to hamburger by her partner.

I'd imagine it's pretty common in the sex entertainment business for a working girl to have her mommy parts looking like she was raped after a nights show.

Katipan
04-18-2006, 02:10 PM
I can tell you Denise..that I've been to more of these events than worth counting...you pay to get the strippers to come out...they you throw ones at them all night....then for more cash you have a private session. It's the way it works. I've never been in any group where the gents thought they were entitled to sex with the stripper. Those girls from the HBO productions you watch will have sex with you..it's more than most can afford or are willing to pay. Like I said...it's rare that a stripper and a hooker are different. She'll already take her colths off for cash...getting furhter only requires that you sweeten the pot.

They don't need to sleep with men. Most of them hate men. Most of them get off on being able to suck your wallet dry WITHOUT sleeping with you.

You have a distorted perception of strippers that I'm guessing is a product of your environment.

You dirty little freak.

Duck Dog
04-18-2006, 02:10 PM
They raped a legless hooker? That's just wrong.

LOL.

bogie
04-18-2006, 02:12 PM
I agree with you. But now it's at a level where IMO the only these guys did wrong was hire a stripper. What she has done at this point by falsely accusing these people is in a whole other realm.

Possibly falsely accused, right? I think it's very possible she got pissed and falsely accused them. It's also very possible these guys got carried away.

Inspector
04-18-2006, 02:13 PM
I think most people would consider taking off your clothes for strangers an extreme measure to take in the name of earning money. My feeling is, if a person is willing to stoop to that level for money, how much lower might they be willing to go?

It's not the sole issue, but it's a relevant piece.

I never get money. They just call the damn police....almost every time.

Duck Dog
04-18-2006, 02:14 PM
They don't need to sleep with men. Most of them hate men. Most of them get off on being able to suck your wallet dry WITHOUT sleeping with you.

You have a distorted perception of strippers that I'm guessing is a product of your environment.

You dirty little freak.


I agree with the first part. I doubt all strippers will have sex for cash, but all have already said they'd go so far for cash. The only reason a guy would get turned down in a strip club is if he was offering too little.

Katipan
04-18-2006, 02:15 PM
I guess I just know all lazy strippers.

nychief
04-18-2006, 03:05 PM
I think she's lying because bitches are liars...J/k..

Honestly...her story doesn't add up. There is no way that she got blown up like she says and there is no DNA. She was drunk. The first officer on the scene said she looked calm, and not like a person who'd been raped. Pictures before the party show her already bruised up about the head and neck. It just doesn't add up. She said there were 3 attackers...they arrested 2. This wreaks of a lie.

what the **** does Garcia Bronco know about the evidence? Are you kidding me? Nothing. You know nothing.

nychief
04-18-2006, 03:06 PM
what I want to know is when is the hooker goings to be audited by the IRS? Because has previously mentioned...hookers don't generally pay taxes. I'd bet my own money she is operating a business without a business license. And I'll bet stripping/hooking is illegal in Durham as well.

stripping is not illegal. just ask your mom.



ZINGER!

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 03:08 PM
Another interesting thing...the DA...yeah...he's up for re-election on may 2nd 2006

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 03:11 PM
They don't need to sleep with men. Most of them hate men. Most of them get off on being able to suck your wallet dry WITHOUT sleeping with you.

You have a distorted perception of strippers that I'm guessing is a product of your environment.

You dirty little freak.

I'm sure there are all types of strippers/hookers out there..but one thing that is common amoungst all of them is they'll get down for money...and you can get them you go where ever for the right price.

It's like that old joke....

...A man walks up to this nice looking woman in a bar. He strikes up a conversation with her. He asks. "Would you go back to my place with me for a million dollars?" She replied. "Yes. I would." He then countered. "How about for 10 dollars?" She said. "What kind of girl do think I am?"

He said. "We've already established what type of girl you are. Now we are establishing a price."

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 03:13 PM
Possibly falsely accused, right? I think it's very possible she got pissed and falsely accused them. It's also very possible these guys got carried away.

I hate to say it...I don't think you can take her at her word based on her profession...sorry. Get a job waiting tables.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 03:15 PM
what the **** does Garcia Bronco know about the evidence? Are you kidding me? Nothing. You know nothing.
I'm only talking about things reported on Espin and CNN. I've heard a rumor that this woman also stole a car a year ago and has other priors, but I don't know how they'd come across that info, but these people do lkive in Durham. Like I said...I'm two hours and my company is very pervasive in NC.

BIG_DADDY
04-18-2006, 03:26 PM
Without DNA evidence or an eye witness this case doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell. I'm just guessing but I think the DA just likes seeing his name in lights to try and further his career.

There is also plenty of reasons for a woman to say she was raped. Rape victims funds give them all kinds of $$$$$ just for the accusation. Katelyn Faber received over 17k in the Kobe case.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 03:30 PM
Without DNA evidence or an eye witness this case doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell. I'm just guessing but I think the DA just likes seeing his name in lights to try and further his career.

There is also plenty of reasons for a woman to say she was raped. Rape victims funds give them all kinds of $$$$$ just for the accusation. Katelyn Faber received over 17k in the Kobe case.

Not mention in this case Jesse Jackson's group is going to pay for her school.

SquirrellyBastard
04-18-2006, 03:31 PM
They are now saying they have alibi's that will prove at least 1, possibly both of the guys charged are innocent.

ATM's receipts, etc. that show they weren't even at the house at the time of the assault.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 03:48 PM
They are now saying they have alibi's that will prove at least 1, possibly both of the guys charged are innocent.

ATM's receipts, etc. that show they weren't even at the house at the time of the assault.

Is there a link to that? I can't believe the DA would go before the grand jury without this information? Maybe he couldn't...maybe the bank accounts weren't in their names. I would ask for bank records to establish significant money withdrawals for a stripper.

Duck Dog
04-18-2006, 03:50 PM
Fair and Balanced is reporting it. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192162,00.html)

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 03:50 PM
From Clint at the OM:

For what it's worth from the defense lawyers...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/18/duke.rape/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/18/duke.rape/index.html)

Kirk Osborn, one of Seligmann's attorneys, said lawyers arranged the surrender of the two men early Tuesday.

"It's hard to put in words the unfairness and injustice," Osborn said. "We look forward [to] showing he is absolutely innocent as soon as we can."

Another defense attorney, Bill Thomas, called the indictments "absolutely outrageous."

"The two that they indicted had no contact with this woman whatsoever," he said. "We are shocked, absolutely shocked. We always thought she would pick out someone who at least had a conversation with her."

Sources close to the investigation said Tuesday that the defense will present evidence -- including ATM receipts -- that neither Seligmann, 20, nor Finnerty, 19, were at the team party at the time the alleged rape took place.

A cab driver allegedly carried one of the young men to an ATM, where a security camera captured his picture, the sources said, and the other man was reportedly at a restaurant.

Duck Dog
04-18-2006, 03:51 PM
The article also states the DA is almost ready to arrest another scapegoat.

MOhillbilly
04-18-2006, 03:53 PM
:)But i dont understand why they keep a showin my hands and not my face on TV.:)

vailpass
04-18-2006, 03:54 PM
This lying skank is going down hard. IF this gets to court the LaCrosse kid's attorneys will shred the Prosecutor and devour the accuser.

Question: If the accused are found innocent will there be apologies forthcoming from the black action groups that hold daily rallies condemning the accused, Jesse Jackson and his ilk, the student groups on the Duke campus who act as though an accusation were a conviction, and Duke University itself for destroying the entire team's championship season on the word of a drunken stripper?

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 04:01 PM
This lying skank is going down hard. IF this gets to court the LaCrosse kid's attorneys will shred the Prosecutor and devour the accuser.

Question: If the accused are found innocent will there be apologies forthcoming from the black action groups that hold daily rallies condemning the accused, Jesse Jackson and his ilk, the student groups on the Duke campus who act as though an accusation were a conviction, and Duke University itself for destroying the entire team's championship season on the word of a drunken stripper?


If that's the outcome many that condemed them will not own up to it. The DNA didn't match and some think that was tampered with. Yeah...in a period of a week 46 families that never knew each other converged on an unknown test lab and bribed the techs working the samples. Or that the University greased the palms on the test lab...I know many business owners that will put the business' rep on the line for a small payoff. Always a good choice.

pikesome
04-18-2006, 04:05 PM
This lying skank is going down hard. IF this gets to court the LaCrosse kid's attorneys will shred the Prosecutor and devour the accuser.

Question: If the accused are found innocent will there be apologies forthcoming from the black action groups that hold daily rallies condemning the accused, Jesse Jackson and his ilk, the student groups on the Duke campus who act as though an accusation were a conviction, and Duke University itself for destroying the entire team's championship season on the word of a drunken stripper?


If they get off it's because the black man can't get fair treatment in this country. Neither can women. They bought their way out with daddies' millions. You can't punish the accuser because it would have a chilling effect on other women who have been raped.

I'm sure I missed something but...

vailpass
04-18-2006, 04:29 PM
If that's the outcome many that condemed them will not own up to it. The DNA didn't match and some think that was tampered with. Yeah...in a period of a week 46 families that never knew each other converged on an unknown test lab and bribed the techs working the samples. Or that the University greased the palms on the test lab...I know many business owners that will put the business' rep on the line for a small payoff. Always a good choice.

Good points all. Too many things are shaky here and all the defense needs is one juror who has a shadow of a doubt. Anyman who commits rape deserves the harshest penalty possible. Any woman who falsely alleges rape deserves exactly the same, IMHO.

If they get off it's because the black man can't get fair treatment in this country. Neither can women. They bought their way out with daddies' millions. You can't punish the accuser because it would have a chilling effect on other women who have been raped.

I'm sure I missed something but...

ROFL Exactly.

bogie
04-18-2006, 04:41 PM
I hate to say it...I don't think you can take her at her word based on her profession...sorry. Get a job waiting tables.

You have a right to your opinion. My only problem is all the stripper bashing going on by people who I suspect have stuffed a few $ in a g-string. People that attend strip clubs are no better of a person than the strippers they're funding. JMO. I don't know any strippers personally, but I've attended my share of clubs. I wonder, do you have the same feeling about playboy models?

Rain Man
04-18-2006, 04:43 PM
Off topic, but the padding that the Colorado Mammoth goalie wears is just ridiculous.

http://www.augustinesports.com/2005-01-08_Nash.jpg

http://www.augustinesports.com/E.Miller4.jpg

Do all lacrosse goalies dress like this?

ENDelt260
04-18-2006, 04:45 PM
You have a right to your opinion. My only problem is all the stripper bashing going on by people who I suspect have stuffed a few $ in a g-string.

I've eaten at fast food places before, too. I still make fun of the people that work there.

nychief
04-18-2006, 04:48 PM
I'm only talking about things reported on Espin and CNN. I've heard a rumor that this woman also stole a car a year ago and has other priors, but I don't know how they'd come across that info, but these people do lkive in Durham. Like I said...I'm two hours and my company is very pervasive in NC.


You don't know shit, face it. None of us do. I don't know why you so up in arms about this - are you a big lecrosse fan? I doubt it. Did you go to Duke? I REALLY doubt it.


I guess it is just another example of the black woman coming down on the white man. How long have we struggled with this discrimination? We shall over come.

bogie
04-18-2006, 04:51 PM
I've eaten at fast food places before, too. I still make fun of the people that work there.

I'll bet there's are a lot of FF workers that are MUCH better people than several high dollar producers I know.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 04:55 PM
Good points all. Too many things are shaky here and all the defense needs is one juror who has a shadow of a doubt. Anyman who commits rape deserves the harshest penalty possible. Any woman who falsely alleges rape deserves exactly the same, IMHO.



ROFL Exactly.


That's right...because we can have zero tolerance for rapists. So to call it when it's not true is a terrible thing to do to another human being. Equally as vile as the act itself.

Rain Man
04-18-2006, 04:56 PM
I'll bet there's are a lot of FF workers that are MUCH better people than several high dollar producers I know.

At the very least, many of them have a more savory aroma.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 04:58 PM
You don't know shit, face it. None of us do. I don't know why you so up in arms about this - are you a big lecrosse fan? I doubt it. Did you go to Duke? I REALLY doubt it.


I guess it is just another example of the black woman coming down on the white man. How long have we struggled with this discrimination? We shall over come.

Actually I did play Lacrosse.

ENDelt260
04-18-2006, 04:58 PM
Actually I did play Lacrosse.
Rapist.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 05:00 PM
You have a right to your opinion. My only problem is all the stripper bashing going on by people who I suspect have stuffed a few $ in a g-string. People that attend strip clubs are no better of a person than the strippers they're funding. JMO. I don't know any strippers personally, but I've attended my share of clubs. I wonder, do you have the same feeling about playboy models?

Upon reflection my comment was harsh...I'm just disappointed that this has happened and no matter the outcome...it's only degrees of losing.

BIG_DADDY
04-18-2006, 05:01 PM
Rapist.
ROFL

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 05:02 PM
Rapist.

Drunk

Rain Man
04-18-2006, 05:04 PM
Actually I did play Lacrosse.

So do all goalies wear that much padding?

PunkinDrublic
04-18-2006, 05:04 PM
I feel bad for the lacrosse coach who had to resign. Nobody's even been convicted yet he's lost his job. That's bullshit.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 05:12 PM
So do all goalies wear that much padding?

Almost like a hockey goalie...the ball has a solid core surrounded by rubber...so when it hits the ground it speeds up. One broke our goalie's cup in practice. Padding in important.

nychief
04-18-2006, 05:19 PM
Actually I did play Lacrosse.


here you go...
http://www.lacrosseforums.com/

bogie
04-18-2006, 05:20 PM
Almost like a hockey goalie...the ball has a solid core surrounded by rubber...so when it hits the ground it speeds up. One broke our goalie's cup in practice. Padding in important.

OUCH!

nychief
04-18-2006, 05:21 PM
Wow, look what I found on the lacrosseforums.com board at the top of their "Black hooker tricks White Kids" Thread...


"Rules: No speculation, no foul language, no personal attacks... There will be no warnings -- if you break these rules you will be permanently banned from the Lacrosse Forums.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 05:27 PM
Wow, look what I found on the lacrosseforums.com board at the top of their "Black hooker tricks White Kids" Thread...


"Rules: No speculation, no foul language, no personal attacks... There will be no warnings -- if you break these rules you will be permanently banned from the Lacrosse Forums.

I just looked on the site and didn't see that thread title anywhere. Little help please.

JBucc
04-18-2006, 05:32 PM
I just looked on the site and didn't see that thread title anywhere. Little help please.Probably deleted

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 05:36 PM
Probably deleted
It's this thread...but it doesn't have that title. And by the warning it doesn't sound like it ever did have that title and be 33 posts long in a span of a minute or two. Maybe somebody made it up.

http://www.lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?t=43024

nychief
04-18-2006, 06:03 PM
This whole thing makes me sick, I don't know about you guys. ALL of these freakin' people. Just terrible.

pikesome
04-18-2006, 07:00 PM
This whole thing makes me sick, I don't know about you guys. ALL of these freakin' people. Just terrible.

This is something we all can agree on. Regardless how it turns out, the whole mess smells from every corner.

WilliamTheIrish
04-18-2006, 07:04 PM
Wow, this is really snarky white midwestern thread. Jesus Christ, the DA has enough evidence to charge these idiots in such high profile case, I think we should just sit back and see what happens.

Snarky, white and midwestern?

I think Garcia is from WV.

And most of the midwesterners have the same idea of in this case as you. Wait and see.

nychief
04-18-2006, 07:10 PM
Snarky, white and midwestern?

I think Garcia is from WV.

And most of the midwesterners have the same idea of in this case as you. Wait and see.

Read this thread and tell me it is a bit heavy handed with the stripper being called a hooker every second etc... that is all I meant. I don't remember anyone calling Natalee Holloway a cum drunk high school slut, that is all.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2006, 07:35 PM
Read this thread and tell me it is a bit heavy handed with the stripper being called a hooker every second etc... that is all I meant. I don't remember anyone calling Natalee Holloway a cum drunk high school slut, that is all.

My no mistake...she can be considered a hooker. I've said several times in this thread...one is typically the other. Holloway..same conclusion...dumb to walk off with someone she barely knew. But I didn't know she was down there selling her body. I have a hard time with sympathy for people that put themselves in dangerous situations.

DaneMcCloud
04-18-2006, 07:56 PM
They don't need to sleep with men. Most of them hate men. Most of them get off on being able to suck your wallet dry WITHOUT sleeping with you.

Having "dated" several strippers earlier in life, I find this comment to be very perceptive. Most strippers have been abused mentally and physically and have a warped perception of the world. They're "hot" if they make $1,000 one night and "ugly" if they only make $250 the next. It's a strange world to get wrapped up in and I'm glad I got out of it quickly.

FWIW, I never knew any of those girls to be hookers on the side, but they were extremely hot looking and very, very easy :)

tahnikijakaba
04-18-2006, 08:14 PM
As I read through this, the following song lyric kept rolling through my head. Anyone else?

A lap dance is so much better when the stripper is crying.

jettio
04-18-2006, 08:21 PM
I think it is posssible that a group of 20-year old drunks who play a sport that is mostly only played in prep schools, and who are on scholarship at an elite school where most of the students consider them dumb preppie jocks, could lose control and do something wrong.

But it is interesting to see how much love a criminal defense lawyer can receive depending on the demographics of who it is that they represent in a given case.

My guess is that before it is said and done, the lawyers that are representing the players that behaved the worst, will have to cease representing any players that did nothing wrong, and some of the players that did nothing wrong, but know what happened, will be compelled to tell what happened.