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chefsos
04-20-2006, 11:34 PM
I really have no clue what you guys have been discussing in here regarding trading up, but I found this interesting. Would you go for it?

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravens20,0,5144062.story?coll=bal-sports-headlines

Ravens looking to be mobile in draft
Team may trade down for more picks

By Jamison Hensley
Sun Reporter
Originally published April 20, 2006, 8:08 PM EDT


Other than acknowledging the need to find a starting safety in this year's college pool, the Ravens provided another morsel of information at Thursday's pre-draft luncheon.

They are clearly prepared to move down from the 13th spot in the first round and acquire more picks.

Director of college scouting Eric DeCosta did little to hide his displeasure over the Ravens having two picks on the first day of a deep draft.

"I wish I had six," he said.

In fact, the Ravens have only two selections among the first 110 picks in this year's draft, which will be held April 29-30. Only the Washington Redskins have fewer in that span.

If the Ravens drop from the 13th pick to somewhere in the low 20s, they probably would receive an additional third-round pick. This strategy is a logical one because the Ravens have several depth issues and likely can get a quality safety or cornerback (which would fill a need) in the bottom third of the first round.

General manager Ozzie Newsome even said the Ravens could be enticed to give up the No. 13 pick before they are on the clock.

"If we have three or four guys that we really like and we have the opportunity to move back, get one of those guys as well as an additional pick, I think that would be the right thing to do from an organizational standpoint," Newsome said.

According to a league source, the Ravens' two most coveted players are from the University of Texas, safety Michael Huff and quarterback Vince Young. But neither is expected to slip past the top 10.

If players such as Oregon nose tackle Haloti Ngata, Florida State defensive tackle Brodrick Bunkley or Southern California offensive tackle Winston Justice are available at No. 13, it will be interesting to see whether the Ravens are open to moving down because they are all considered top 15 prospects.

If the top choices are Tennessee safety Jason Allen, Florida State cornerback-safety Antonio Cromartie, Virginia Tech safety Jimmy Williams or Florida State outside linebacker Ernie Sims, it likely would be advantageous for the Ravens to fall back because one should be available later in the first round.

"The top eight players are probably the same in everybody's draft room," Newsome said. "But once you get between nine and 20, it's going to be a picker's choice. What we might have as our 10th-best player may be the 20th-best player on someone else's board and vice versa."

The Ravens don't believe finding a trade partner will be difficult.

"I think teams in the 20s would love to be at 13," DeCosta said. "Everybody always wants good players. When we're on the clock at 13, there's going to be a player that other teams covet and you have to weigh the player you want to take vs. what you can get."

At this point, the Ravens appear to covet a third-round pick.

"If you have a third-round pick this year and stack the board correctly, I think you'll get a good player," DeCosta said. "I think the players you'll get in the third round - the players between picks 50 and 80 - will be significantly better than last year's players taken in that same range."

The Ravens, who have 10 picks overall, could use more on the first day because they have several vital roles to fill.

They need another quarterback, a No. 3 receiver (Clarence Moore or Devard Darling would fill that spot now), a nickel back, more size at defensive tackle and perhaps a young running back to groom.

The biggest priority, however, remains safety. Newsome said there is no one left in free agency that could start at safety, which likely means they will have to use a first-day pick on one.

"We've had success with drafting people and allowing them to start," Newsome said. "Then again, once the draft is held, some other people are going to be kicked out on the street. There might be a safety on another team that could be starting for us when we open up against Tampa."

The Ravens don't usually enter the draft with such a sizable void, but this year is different for another reason.

Unlike any other draft, this one will be unusual for the Ravens because they must pick immediately after the Cleveland Browns and their general manager Phil Savage, who ran the Ravens' college scouting department for nine years.

"When Phil picks at 12, he's going to pick one of the 12 people that we would have taken," Newsome said. "It's a detriment."

DeCosta offered one solution.

"I would love nothing better than to jump up over [Savage] and pick his pocket," he said.

Still, based on how the Ravens were talking Thursday, the smart move might be dropping down in the first round.

Ebolapox
04-20-2006, 11:47 PM
no...fuggin'...way...

that is, unless michael huff falls... or, possibly either bunkley or ngata

those are the only reasons I'd trade UP instead of DOWN

Dunit35
04-21-2006, 07:29 AM
I am not game for giving up our 3rd rounder to move up to #13th. I agree with what H5N1 said.

eazyb81
04-21-2006, 08:42 AM
no...fuggin'...way...

that is, unless michael huff falls... or, possibly either bunkley or ngata

those are the only reasons I'd trade UP instead of DOWN

I agree, this is a deep draft and there is no reason to trade up from where we are sitting.

If anything I would be okay with trading down with someone like the Colts to gain an additional 2nd or 3rd rounder.

CupidStunt
04-21-2006, 09:27 AM
Bunkley is a guy I would trade up for. But then again, I would also agree that a third-rounder is too much to give up. It probably works out on the value chart, but it doesn't seem worth it because the guy you can get in the third-round should be able to contribute early.

Brock
04-21-2006, 10:00 AM
There is nothing in this draft worth moving up for.

htismaqe
04-21-2006, 10:11 AM
There is nothing in this draft worth moving up for.

If Michael Huff were to somehow drop past #12, there is absolutely something worth trading up for.

Brock
04-21-2006, 10:33 AM
If Michael Huff were to somehow drop past #12, there is absolutely something worth trading up for.

There's about 10 players you could say that about. Beyond that, this draft is nothing to get excited about.

CupidStunt
04-21-2006, 10:47 AM
There's about 10 players you could say that about.

So there's 10 players you would trade up for if they slipped a little, but, "there is nothing in this draft worth moving up for"? ROFL

There are players worth trading up for in this class more than most, there's no question about that. What needs to be decided is whether the depth of the talent is worth losing out on in order to trade up.

Brock
04-21-2006, 10:53 AM
So there's 10 players you would trade up for if they slipped a little, but, "there is nothing in this draft worth moving up for"? ROFL

There aren't any players in this draft I would move up for. Certainly not Michael Huff. It's pretty much irrelevant, since those few players that might be worth a trade up will be long gone by the 12th pick.

Mr. Laz
04-21-2006, 11:03 AM
10 players all gone by 12 ...


cutting it pretty close there.

Brock
04-21-2006, 11:06 AM
10 players all gone by 12 ...


cutting it pretty close there.

I didn't bring up 12. You'd have to ask maqe about that.

htismaqe
04-21-2006, 12:46 PM
I said #12, because that's about as high as we could realistically trade-up, and it's also about as low as I think Huff could possibly slide.

Lurch
04-21-2006, 01:31 PM
If Michael Huff were to somehow drop past #12, there is absolutely something worth trading up for.

Some ponder the possibility of Bunkley, or even Ngata (though I don't see it) dropping to 15 or so.....I could see moving up to grab him, but depends on the "cost."

BigChiefFan
04-21-2006, 02:13 PM
Ngata is the only player I'd trade up for.

Mr. Kotter
04-21-2006, 02:43 PM
Ngata, Huff might cause me to consider it.

I'd trade up a couple of spots for Bunkley.

That's it. It's much more inviting this year, to trade down. The problem with that, a lot of other teams seem to feel the same way.

BigChiefFan
04-21-2006, 02:44 PM
Ngata, Huff might cause me to consider it.

I'd trade up a couple of spots for Bunkley.

That's it. It's much more inviting this year, to trade down. The problem with that, a lot of other teams seem to feel the same way.
I think it's GREAT news for us, since we are sitting at the beginning of where most think the VALUE is.

CupidStunt
04-21-2006, 02:51 PM
Ngata is the only player I'd trade up for.

He's just a better (not TONS better), but far more overhyped version of his teammate Junior Siavii.

Mr. Kotter
04-21-2006, 02:58 PM
I think it's GREAT news for us, since we are sitting at the beginning of where most think the VALUE is.

I hope you are right.....we did it for LJ, and then Junior. We should again, if we can.