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irishjayhawk
04-24-2006, 10:08 PM
If Christ returned to Earth for an Easter vacation, would he be hated, abused, and murdered? Most likely …

Most of us know Christ as a long-haired peace activist whose soul would be sickened by the world’s corruption – America's political corruption in particular. “Blessed are the peacemakers" Jesus said…"Turn the other cheek...Love thy neighbor."

Such ideals, contradictions and rebuttals are the "Christian" right wing's worst nightmare. Self-proclaimed Christians who are selfishly entertained by power, nationalism, and war are a disgrace to Christianity. These are the same ignorant saps who believe Jews are doomed to Hell, but love a Zionist Israel. These so-called Christians are bound for the lake of fire (assuming there is one) and some of them, sadly, don’t even know it.

Technically speaking, the Pope is also bound for the lake of fire (unless of course he stays up to date with his confessions …) because he has become mesmerized by riches which should otherwise, by Jesus’ teachings, be given to the poor. The Vatican is like any corporate whore, except worse, because they claim to better our existence, when they are merely exploiting people and their beliefs for their own wealth and so forth.

Almost every Pope in history has been as corrupt as any politician (i.e. slave trade, support for Hitler and Nazi Germany, etc.). Christ said, "Judge a tree by the fruit that it bears; by its fruit will you know whether the tree be good or evil,” and not by what they say. The facts speak for themselves. The papacy is the wealthiest business empire on Earth. They obtain money by deception, from the poor, for example, to buy shares, property, paintings, gold, precious stones and pearls. Didn’t God apparently say not to store up treasures on Earth (Matt. 6 v 19-21)? Yet what do the Popes do? They take money from the poor and give it to the rich, hoarding it in the Vatican's vaults (creating mass poverty) - the exact opposite of what Christ said His followers must do. I know, you’re probably saying that the Vatican is just “keeping an eye on all that stuff” or “keeping it safe”, but that is irrelevant to what Christianity stands for - capitalism, tradition, or heritage preservation doesn’t necessarily or magically make it “right”.

More than 95% of the world’s wealth and resources are in the hands of less than 5% of the world’s population and every night, two-thirds of the world’s population goes to sleep hungry. How has this come to pass and be accepted as “normal”? It would be very wrong to believe that our reason for living is simply to serve a group of people, who have exalted themselves into positions where they can hoard wealth and have “authority” over others for the bettering of themselves only.

Some say religion is no longer needed, but that’s not true – regardless of whether or not religion is needed – it’s being used today, and is often sinfully exploited for political and/or personal gain. Why do you think Bush is a Christian? It’s most certainly not because he feels it in his soul to be so. Consider what freedom means and then consider the bonds of slavery that we are subject to under “the system”. We are taught from an early age to follow their system, and that anyone who does not do so is the enemy. Schools, media…all those forms of order attempt to condition us to "the new system".

Whatever happened to the traditional Laws of Freedom – the Ten Commandments (and common sense, for that matter)? They directly contradict materialistically rich rulers of this world claiming to be of a group known as Christianity. What it contains, if practiced, would keep us all, as one race, at peace. Religion can be an effective tool in further evaluating the injustice, environmental destruction and mass-oppression that is (and has been) happening in the world.

Now I know what you’re thinking; you think that I’m just another anti-establishment guy, who may be just bitter about things I can’t change, but it’s much deeper than that alone and if your mind is half open, you'll see where I'm coming from.

Jesus' life of peaceful rebellion was followed by a perverse twenty centuries of bloodthirsty bigotry. I’ve always found it strange that the same people who believe we need more weapons are generally fundamentalist Christians. Based on this, our leaders are either evil as Hell, or they’re very uneducated and way too ignorant for everyone’s good. Should we not be praising the embracement of better education? Ironically, we’re not…and here’s proof:

National leaders’ disregard for the people (i.e. the federal allowance of the 9/11 attacks), attacks on people of color (racism), attacks on nations [most notably those with wealth (i.e. opium & oil)], attacks on humans of the same gender who love each other, attacks on youth who enjoy sex, etc. All that, in the name of God? All of these attacks which involve the over-sight of “Christians” would leave Jesus himself horrified. So it’s not that religion is not needed – some would argue that religion is needed more than ever – it’s just that religion has been disgustingly manhandled to the point that it has been made the excuse for chaos (it’s not…man is the cause of chaos, and religion is the so-called solution to chaos in the first place). Jesus came to be viewed as Divine because he spoke eloquently for a gracious, loving God – he did not speak of the God that George W. Bush claims to know. Karl Rove, Tom DeLay, George Bush and their corporate-fundamentalist dependants speak for a very different kind of God - one at war with the Deity described by Christ – yes, that’s right, another war that you might not have been aware of.

Bush’s and Rove’s "master" must be defined by hate, greed, intolerance and hypocrisy. Christ kicked the money-mongers out of the temple, told the rich to give their wealth to the poor, and to follow him. Bush is unable to do that and has given no sign to ever do so; therefore, he is unable to speak for Christianity beyond a politically devious point of view. Today's Republicans have enshrined wealth, power and greed. Christ spoke of a God of compassion and joy…not the God that our corrupt leaders, including the Pope, seem to have found behind the scenes. In fact, from a religiously argumentative point of view, we could say they speak from Satan and have given no sign of detouring from their crusades.

Today's "religious" right-wingers worship meanness of spirit and a greed-driven, war-loving totalitarianism without respect for nature (which includes the people). The only way to salvation, they say, is their own unilateral way – otherwise, you’re a terrorist, a liberal divorced from reality, or something else not pleasant and supposedly subject to ridicule. I hope you interpret my words as unpleasant, because that’s what I’ve aimed for (war), to remind you of all the wars around us.

Tecumseh, the great Shawnee spirit-warrior, allegedly shouted in the early 1800s: "When Jesus Christ came upon the Earth, you killed him. The son of your own God. And only after he was dead did you worship him and start killing those who would not."


Part two below.

irishjayhawk
04-24-2006, 10:09 PM
If Christ came back to organize against US political actions, there would be an unfathomable amount of hate-speak directed from the more notable Republicans. O’Reilly would not believe the Easter thing and more than question, or make fun of, a "peace prophet”; these so-called Christians cannot even come close to handling the very things they preach – are you reminded of the term blasphemy? If Jesus persisted, and his followers grew in numbers, Republicans wouldn’t hesitate to kill him. Unrealistic scenario you say? Maybe so, but the Republicans in power of the US are even more unrealistic…I can guarantee that. They’d design a scandal, pin the blame on one measly terrorist or ethnic group, and pump out propaganda with the help of the media. Modern Republicans would go to great lengths in censoring an anti-war “Son of God”. There’d likely be rumors that Jesus was gay and a user of drugs. Why then, or how, can this be considered normal? Or can it at all?

Would Jesus stand for the slaughter of 100,000 or more Iraqis in his name for wealth and political gain (even if it is the only thing that seems idealistic)? What would Christ think about a president who supports the torture chamber and electric chair? What would Jesus, who despised hypocrisy, say about a Bush who scurries around to prolong the life of a brain-dead woman, but whom gleefully executed 150 people as governor and even more as president? How would Jesus cope with a “self-proclaimed Divinity” embracing the death, misery, poverty, and many other evil premises, of others? There are several million prisoners held in the US military and civilian gulag, a barbaric prison system that makes the Romans' seem benign by comparison. What about systematic sexual abuse by both prison guards and Catholic priests? What about the wholesale slaughter of Iraqi children? What would Jesus say about gay marriage? "Love thy neighbor," would be a fair assumption, regardless. Why is someone’s sexual preference the business of those who use Jesus’ name to prolong and promote bigotry and intolerance? 50 years ago, those same cynical haters claimed Biblical sanction for laws preventing people of different colors from marrying one another.

Hitler called Christ an Aryan supremacist. Now, the US elite use him to sell tyrannical, greed-driven, gay-hating, anti-abortion, anti-personal choice, war-loving hypocrisy (not to mention, election campaigns). There’s no way Bush could have made it this far in his endeavors without the blasphemous exploitation of Christianity which in turn duped us, “the sheep”. In fact, Bush would not have been able to become President had he not “found Jesus” after the exposure of his corrupt past.

Religion is the United States’ weakest link.

Easter should remind us that if Jesus returned to preach what he challenged the Romans with, particular Republicans would do to him what Pontius Pilate (the one who ordered Jesus' crucifixion) did; they would ridicule him and then kill him.
http://www.shoutwire.com/comments/10087/If...arth_For_Easter (http://www.shoutwire.com/comments/10087/If_Christ_Returned_To_Earth_For_Easter)


I believe most of what he said in there. He admits in the second comment that he should have pointed out Easter is actually a pagan holiday, along with Christmas..

Chiefs Express
04-24-2006, 10:57 PM
Your story calls Jesus a long haired peace activist.

Care to inform me where the author found anything that indicated that Jesus had long hair? Not the popular pictures because they basically indicate that Jesus was a fair skinned caucasian. It seems as if all of the movies depict him in that manner.

I believe that he was Jewish and would more than likely look more like someone from the ME than he would your typical blond haired American.

Chances are that he had long hair, but he could have been part of a group of monks that kept their head shaved!!! You never know.

Ugly Duck
04-25-2006, 12:47 AM
Interesting questions there....

Would Jesus support the death penalty?

Would Jesus have supported the invasion of Iraq?

Should neocons fashion their actions after what Jesus would do, or continue to act in direct opposition to what Jesus would do?

Chiefs Express
04-25-2006, 12:51 AM
Interesting questions there....

Would Jesus support the death penalty?

Would Jesus have supported the invasion of Iraq?

Should neocons fashion their actions after what Jesus would do, or continue to act in direct opposition to what Jesus would do?

Should you ES&D?

Ugly Duck
04-25-2006, 12:55 AM
Should you ES&D?No, no... the question isn't should you follow what I would do, but rather, should you follow what Jesus would do? He is the Messiah, not me. Like:

Jesus would not put prisoners to death. Shouldn't we use Him as the guide for our own actions?

Chiefs Express
04-25-2006, 01:00 AM
No, no... the question isn't should you follow what I would do, but rather, should you follow what Jesus would do? He is the Messiah, not me. Like:

Jesus would not put prisoners to death. Shouldn't we use Him as the guide for our own actions?

Jesus would not put prisoners to death, but he did say that you had to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. In laymans terms that basically means that if you break the laws of the land and that law says that you die for your transgression....make your peace.

BTW, you can still ES&D

Ugly Duck
04-25-2006, 01:11 AM
BTW, you can still ES&DDang.... what the heck are you so grumpy about?

Chiefs Express
04-25-2006, 01:22 AM
Dang.... what the heck are you so grumpy about?

I'm tired and sleep is not on the agenda. I'm not sure what happens, but occasionally I'm wide awake all night and couldn't sleep if I took three tylenol PM's.

I ought be a ball of fire later this morning!

Ugly Duck
04-25-2006, 01:38 AM
I'm tired and sleep is not on the agenda. I'm not sure what happens, but occasionally I'm wide awake all night and couldn't sleep if I took three tylenol PM's.

I ought be a ball of fire later this morning!Whoa! I'll try and stay out of your way.....

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-25-2006, 09:42 AM
He would have violated a fundamental law of Physics...matter cannot just suddenly appear. I'll take Einstein over a 3,000 year old nomadic Jew (Moses, for example) whose teachings have been translated through multiple sources and selectively culled over millenia 8 out of 7 days of the week.

banyon
04-25-2006, 09:57 AM
But Bush wants to be the "Peace President"

He said so.

Jesus should be cool with that.

Sully
04-25-2006, 10:03 AM
Some interesting thoughts there.
But I think if you were to just casually glance at some of the religious themed threads in here, you would realize that to many, Christianity has little to do with Christ's actions, and more to do with getting to heaven.
Sadly, I think that is representative of many and their feelings toward the subject.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-25-2006, 10:10 AM
Some interesting thoughts there.
But I think if you were to just casually glance at some of the religious themed threads in here, you would realize that to many, Christianity has little to do with Christ's actions, and more to do with getting to heaven.
Sadly, I think that is representative of many and their feelings toward the subject.

that's why contemporary christianity is a bastard religion...it bears no resemblance to the teachings of its namesake...it's far more akin to a trope of materialist exclusivism that preaches the benefits of simony and the glory of hate.

Sully
04-25-2006, 10:20 AM
I'm not quite that cynical about Christianity.
I believe many sects, especially some of the monster denominations, aren't teaching Christianity in the right way (or in the way that I believe is right). But I have, over the past few years, been exposed to several denominations that teach the part of Christianity that highlights the parts I believe are important.

Ugly Duck
04-25-2006, 10:28 AM
Jesus would not put prisoners to death, but he did say that you had to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. In laymans terms that basically means that if you break the laws of the land and that law says that you die for your transgression....make your peace.But Caesar is gone, now we are Caesar. We make the law of the land. We have the power to bring that law in line with what Jesus would do.

Chiefs Express
04-25-2006, 11:36 AM
But Caesar is gone, now we are Caesar. We make the law of the land. We have the power to bring that law in line with what Jesus would do.

Who is we?

If you are speaking of the United States as WE, then you have it all wrong. Remember the "seperation of Church and State" argument? It could never happen. If Jesus showed up in the United States he would more than likely be hung on a cross again by the liberals that have eliminated God from our country.

Jesus would not order you to follow his law, or the law of the old testament. He might show you the benefits of serving God, but he would never try to force you to do anything. After Adam and Eve we were all born into sin and are basically free moral agents.

As for WE have the power.....not in this lifetime.

Bowser
04-25-2006, 11:48 AM
How can Jesus be from the Middle East and be a Caucasian?

Chiefs Express
04-25-2006, 11:57 AM
How can Jesus be from the Middle East and be a Caucasian?

He was not, that was the point. Check out virtually all of the portraits of Jesus. Check out the movies that have been made (mostly in the U.S.) and check out the actors that have portrayed Jesus, one of them was even almost a blonde!

Baby Lee
04-25-2006, 12:01 PM
Who is we?

If you are speaking of the United States as WE, then you have it all wrong. Remember the "seperation of Church and State" argument? It could never happen. If Jesus showed up in the United States he would more than likely be hung on a cross again by the liberals that have eliminated God from our country.

Jesus would not order you to follow his law, or the law of the old testament. He might show you the benefits of serving God, but he would never try to force you to do anything. After Adam and Eve we were all born into sin and are basically free moral agents.

As for WE have the power.....not in this lifetime.
When CE's right, he's right.
1. Sep Church/State
2. God's gift of Agency

Funny dynamic, tho.
Subject - Abortion, Decency, etc.: Theocrats are trying religious rule!!
Subject - Socialism: Hey, Jesus agrees with us!! Yeah Jesus!!

All in or all out [personal preference, all out]. How 'bout that?

Logical
04-25-2006, 12:02 PM
I think he would enjoy a nice Easter ham, hunt Easter eggs with the communities children, and condemn the organized religions of the world for their clear hypocrisy.

Chiefs Express
04-25-2006, 12:12 PM
I think he would enjoy a nice Easter ham, hunt Easter eggs with the communities children, and condemn the organized religions of the world for their clear hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy exists all over the world, what makes you think for one minute that anyone would expect that to stop at the church doors?

You are very big on like hypocrits but have missed the point that each and every person on the earth is a hypocrit from time to time.

I don't believe that Jesus would get to the hypocracy of the church until he got a few of the other problems fixed.

Just in case you aren't aware, or have forgotten, when Jesus makes his next appearance on earth everyone will know and there might be some disconcerting conversations going on around the globe.

Duck Dog
04-25-2006, 12:18 PM
I never undestood why liberals get so upset over Christianity but scream from the hilltops for everyone to be tolerant of others. No other religion is ripped apart by Americans more than Christianity. And it's done so by people who don't believe in or participate in religion.

If you don't believe in it, why bother yourself with it? Also, why just the Christians? Why aren't you as equally critical of other religions, such as the Islamists?

IMO, it's because Bush is a devout Christian and because Christians may have been big supporters of Bush.

Baby Lee
04-25-2006, 12:19 PM
Hypocrisy
Good start. :clap:
hypocrits . . . hypocrit . . hypocracy . . .
Awww. :sulk:

Duck Dog
04-25-2006, 12:20 PM
I think he would enjoy a nice Easter ham, hunt Easter eggs with the communities children, and condemn the organized religions of the world for their clear hypocrisy.

That is why I do not participate in service. I felt like a huge hypocrite everytime I've been in Church.

DanT
04-25-2006, 12:37 PM
The author of the topic post doesn't seem to have much of a command of what Christ, economics or the Pope is all about. I don't know enough about
"Tecumseh, the great Shawnee spirit-warrior," to gauge the author's grasp on him. Assuming the quote is accurate, it's kind of easy to understand how the Native Americans got dominated so easily. If your great spirit-warriors are shouting stuff at folks they think are all over 1,700 years old, it's kind of hard to put together a workable battle plan.

Sully
04-25-2006, 01:22 PM
I never undestood why liberals get so upset over Christianity but scream from the hilltops for everyone to be tolerant of others. No other religion is ripped apart by Americans more than Christianity. And it's done so by people who don't believe in or participate in religion.

If you don't believe in it, why bother yourself with it? Also, why just the Christians? Why aren't you as equally critical of other religions, such as the Islamists?

IMO, it's because Bush is a devout Christian and because Christians may have been big supporters of Bush.


My explanation.
Only from my point of view.
Why am I so critical of Christianity?
I can think of a few reasons.
A) I am a Christian. I am saddened daily by the message that is put forth by mainstream Christianity. I believe the message is wrong, and I want to change it from the inside, with understanding, and faith.
B) So many of the Christians that I disagree with claim their sect of Christianity is the only true way. I am faced with people every day telling me I am not "Christian enough."
C) I believe that Christianity can be a beautiful faith, which can brighten the world. But in so manyh instances it is used as a divider and a condemning voice, which is not my belief of Jesus' message.

Why am I not as critical of Muslims? (Islamists???)
A) I have a passing knowledge of the message contained within their religion. I believe that their religion has been hijacked, as well, by those who wish to use their message to condemn and divide. But as someone from the outside, I can do little to point out the changes needed. I take up for the religion as whole, much as I do Christianity, because I believe the core message of it is beautiful and just.

Jilly
04-25-2006, 02:35 PM
I agree with Sully. And I somewhat agree with the author. I'm not sure that Christianity has been hijacked by the religious right and Christian conservatives; so much that mainstream Christianity, moderate Christianity's voice has been hijacked. I don't believe that those who have perverted the Christian faith are taking over the religion, so much as I believe that they are taking over the majority voice, if that makes sense. I don't believe they are the majority; I just think the moderate voice just isn't allowed to speak anymore or doesn't quite ring out as loud. I know many, many good Christians who believe what Jesus did is the way we should follow, and who follow that as much as they possibly can, but Joe Schmo who is working in the soup kitchen and donating his money to help the less fortunate doesn't get publicity, instead Jerry Johnston does because he has more money, more power, and is controversial, which is what our ignorant world seems to be interested in.

Duck Dog
04-25-2006, 03:16 PM
I don't think Christianity has been hijacked by the Religious Right. The RR were killing in the name of God in the 12 century. If anything Christians have become more moderate.

Sully
04-25-2006, 03:59 PM
...instead Jerry Johnston does because he has more money, more power, and is controversial...

Not to mention dishonest, misleading, and corrupt.

banyon
04-25-2006, 04:17 PM
Not to mention dishonest, misleading, and corrupt.

Sully, your sig is too big.

Respect your hockey love, but it is expanding the page. :cuss:

peace out.

Lurch
04-26-2006, 07:58 AM
Ironic that such an editorial dedicated to the alleged hatred of Christians, is nothing more than a misguided and hateful diatribe of half-truths, fabrication, and hyperbole.

SBK
04-26-2006, 10:52 AM
Ironic that such an editorial dedicated to the alleged hatred of Christians, is nothing more than a misguided and hateful diatribe of half-truths, fabrication, and hyperbole.

You really shouldn't quote the bible, and use it as a reference if you don't know your bible very well. :shake:

I would also say Christianity isn't about a religion, it's about a relationship.

Ugly Duck
04-26-2006, 11:23 PM
Who is we?

If you are speaking of the United States as WE, then you have it all wrong. Remember the "seperation of Church and State" argument? It could never happen. "We" is the people who vote. You suggested that Jesus would "render unto Caesar what was Caesar's" regarding the death penalty. I said Caesar is gone and we are now the ones who make the laws. We have the power to follow what Jesus would do and refuse to support the death penalty. No fair blaming non-existant Caesars as an excuse to support stuff that Jesus would be against. Caesars are way out of the picture - we voters now determine the law of the land. Jesus would be against the death penalty, we should stand alongside Him and be against it as well, regardless of what some long-dead Caesar may have wanted.

Ugly Duck
04-26-2006, 11:26 PM
How can Jesus be from the Middle East and be a Caucasian?Middle-Easterners are caucasians.