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Rain Man
04-25-2006, 02:00 PM
This creeps me out. If God hates you enough to bury you in your own home, you're either a really bad person or God is just out looking for trouble.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12457889/

Man dies when large sinkhole opens in home
32-year-old California man’s house may have been sitting atop an old mine

Updated: 9:05 p.m. ET April 24, 2006
ALTA, Calif. - After two days of recovery attempts, workers reached the body of a man who was killed when a huge hole opened beneath his house.

Authorities identified the victim as 32-year-old Jason Chellew, a schoolteacher whose wife was pregnant.

Chellew was relaxing in his living room about 9:30 p.m. Friday when he heard creaking noises, sprang up and began to move across the room just as the floor opened beneath him, authorities said.

His wife was in bed and was uninjured, said Rick Armstrong, a retired Placer County sheriff's captain who said he has known the Chellew family for decades.

“It’s unbelievable,” Placer County Sheriff’s Department spokeswoman Dena Erwin said. “From the front of the house, it’s absolutely normal. Then, in the middle of the house, is this enormous hole.”

This area in the Sierra Nevada foothills was heavily mined for gold in the late 1800s. A mine collapse is one likely cause of the strange episode, officials said. A team of 100 people was investigating the site Sunday, including numerous geologists.

Chellew had no pulse when rescuers reached him Friday night. The workers trying to extricate his body were forced to retreat because the ground remained unstable through the weekend. It expanded beyond some of the load-bearing walls of the home, leading the recovery team to consider demolishing it.

A second sinkhole opened up about 50 feet away from the house, authorities said.

"You hate to lose anybody like that," said Carol Gillies, clerk of the Alta Fire District. "This whole area is undermined with mines. It makes you think about, 'Where did I build my house?"'

Douglas Ferrier, president of the Golden Drift Historical Society, which exists to preserve the region's mining history, said the area was part of the historic Nary Red Mine. It is a web of 16 different gold mining claims that operated from the 1860s to the 1940s, he said.

No maps exist of these mines, and there has apparently been no concerted effort to seal old mine shafts in the area, he said.

"It would not surprise me at all that there are shafts and tunnels that do not show evidence on the surface but that may be there underneath the ground," Ferrier said.

“Whenever you're living in mining areas, you should consider that," Ferrier said. "There may be absolutely no surface evidence that it's there, and it could be five feet below the surface."

Donger
04-25-2006, 02:01 PM
This creeps me out. If God hates you enough to bury you in your own home, you're either a really bad person or God is just out looking for trouble.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12457889/

Man dies when large sinkhole opens in home
32-year-old California man’s house may have been sitting atop an old mine

Updated: 9:05 p.m. ET April 24, 2006
ALTA, Calif. - After two days of recovery attempts, workers reached the body of a man who was killed when a huge hole opened beneath his house.

Authorities identified the victim as 32-year-old Jason Chellew, a schoolteacher whose wife was pregnant.

Chellew was relaxing in his living room about 9:30 p.m. Friday when he heard creaking noises, sprang up and began to move across the room just as the floor opened beneath him, authorities said.

His wife was in bed and was uninjured, said Rick Armstrong, a retired Placer County sheriff's captain who said he has known the Chellew family for decades.

“It’s unbelievable,” Placer County Sheriff’s Department spokeswoman Dena Erwin said. “From the front of the house, it’s absolutely normal. Then, in the middle of the house, is this enormous hole.”

This area in the Sierra Nevada foothills was heavily mined for gold in the late 1800s. A mine collapse is one likely cause of the strange episode, officials said. A team of 100 people was investigating the site Sunday, including numerous geologists.

Chellew had no pulse when rescuers reached him Friday night. The workers trying to extricate his body were forced to retreat because the ground remained unstable through the weekend. It expanded beyond some of the load-bearing walls of the home, leading the recovery team to consider demolishing it.

A second sinkhole opened up about 50 feet away from the house, authorities said.

"You hate to lose anybody like that," said Carol Gillies, clerk of the Alta Fire District. "This whole area is undermined with mines. It makes you think about, 'Where did I build my house?"'

Douglas Ferrier, president of the Golden Drift Historical Society, which exists to preserve the region's mining history, said the area was part of the historic Nary Red Mine. It is a web of 16 different gold mining claims that operated from the 1860s to the 1940s, he said.

No maps exist of these mines, and there has apparently been no concerted effort to seal old mine shafts in the area, he said.

"It would not surprise me at all that there are shafts and tunnels that do not show evidence on the surface but that may be there underneath the ground," Ferrier said.

“Whenever you're living in mining areas, you should consider that," Ferrier said. "There may be absolutely no surface evidence that it's there, and it could be five feet below the surface."


Or, the Devil must've really wanted him.

QuikSsurfer
04-25-2006, 02:02 PM
very creepy.
i wanna know, too... why did god let this happen??

QuikSsurfer
04-25-2006, 02:03 PM
Or, the Devil must've really wanted him.
yeah, he probably made a lot of wrong choices in life.. :shake:

Donger
04-25-2006, 02:04 PM
very creepy.
i wanna know, too... why did god let this happen??

Sometimes God is the omnipotent equivalent of a little boy pulling the wings off of a fly.

Donger
04-25-2006, 02:05 PM
yeah, he probably made a lot of wrong choices in life.. :shake:

I don't know about that. But owning a home over an old mine shaft was probably not his best choice.

QuikSsurfer
04-25-2006, 02:07 PM
I don't know about that. But owning a home over an old mine shaft was probably not his best choice.
no.. it's because he smoked marijuana and once looked at porn without asking for forgiveness.

KCChiefsMan
04-25-2006, 02:07 PM
aren't there engineer's that evaluate the soil/land before a house is built or is that just for houses with basements? or is that just something that is recommended. That would definately suck

ChiefFripp
04-25-2006, 02:09 PM
I could only imagine what his last thoughts were.

Bowser
04-25-2006, 02:09 PM
Sometimes God is the omnipotent equivalent of a little boy pulling the wings off of a fly.

You sound like a hippie waxing philosophic.

Do you play disc golf, by chance? :)

KCChiefsMan
04-25-2006, 02:09 PM
no.. it's because he smoked marijuana and once looked at porn without asking for forgiveness.


will you be the poster boy for my mandatory abortion campaign?

Rooster
04-25-2006, 02:10 PM
I suspect the wife in all of this. I just don't trust her for some reason. :hmmm:

Donger
04-25-2006, 02:10 PM
I could only imagine what his last thoughts were.

Probably, "You've got to be f*cking kidding me."

Here's a fun, little trivia question: What is the most common thing said by pilots who are about to crash?

Donger
04-25-2006, 02:11 PM
You sound like a hippie waxing philosophic.

Do you play disc golf, by chance? :)

No.

Bowser
04-25-2006, 02:12 PM
No.


Inside, inside, inside joke.

Mr. Kotter
04-25-2006, 02:12 PM
He did live in Kalifornication.....:hmmm:

:p

ChiefFripp
04-25-2006, 02:13 PM
You mean Frolf?

Rain Man
04-25-2006, 02:15 PM
Probably, "You've got to be f*cking kidding me."

Here's a fun, little trivia question: What is the most common thing said by pilots who are about to crash?


"Geronimooooooooooo!"

Spicy McHaggis
04-25-2006, 02:15 PM
"God will **** you up"


I can't believe that one was still on the table.

Donger
04-25-2006, 02:17 PM
"Geronimooooooooooo!"

ROFL

No. Believe it or not, it's "Awwww shit!"

QuikSsurfer
04-25-2006, 02:17 PM
will you be the poster boy for my mandatory abortion campaign?
cheapshot

chagrin
04-25-2006, 02:19 PM
I don't know about that. But owning a home over an old mine shaft was probably not his best choice.


I think meme had just moved out and the Reaper was just a a little late getting there.

Rain Man
04-25-2006, 02:19 PM
ROFL

No. Believe it or not, it's "Awwww shit!"

I was expecting something with a little more bravado. Either that, or "Ladies and gentlemen, right before the plane hits, JUMP!"

Donger
04-25-2006, 02:22 PM
I was expecting something with a little more bravado. Either that, or "Ladies and gentlemen, right before the plane hits, JUMP!"

I'm still convinced that works if you're in a free-falling elevator. I just haven't had the opportunity to test it yet. I always jump up and down in every elevator I get in.

ChiefFripp
04-25-2006, 02:26 PM
If I was a pilot of a crashing plane I'd have to get on the intercom and say something like ' SO that's what the skull and crossbones button does!'

Donger
04-25-2006, 02:28 PM
If I was a pilot of a crashing plane I'd have to get on the intercom and say something like ' SO that's what the skull and crossbones button does!'

I was once on a flight where the pilot came on and was chatting away about the weather at our destination when he suddenly and loudly said, "Oh f*ck!" and then was quiet for a minute or two. No explanation.

thebrad84
04-25-2006, 02:29 PM
I'm still convinced that works if you're in a free-falling elevator. I just haven't had the opportunity to test it yet. I always jump up and down in every elevator I get in.
Actually they tested that very scenario on Myth Busters. Their test concluded that in no way, shape, or form will jumping right before impact help you survive a free-falling elevator or plane getting ready to crash in to the ground. So, in other words, you are F'ed if you ever find yourself in one of those situations..

Rain Man
04-25-2006, 02:30 PM
I'm still convinced that works if you're in a free-falling elevator. I just haven't had the opportunity to test it yet. I always jump up and down in every elevator I get in.

It's got to work. You're transferring your kinetic energy downward to the elevator. The only challenge other than the obvious problem of magnitude is that if you were able to put enough energy into it to make a difference, your only accomplishment would be to fracture your skull on the elevator ceiling before you hit. This is why I've advocated for years not having a ceiling on elevators. Not only would it provide an interesting view, but it would also improve safety for anyone who has strong enough legs to high-jump fifty feet.

Donger
04-25-2006, 02:30 PM
Actually they tested that very scenario on Myth Busters. Their test concluded that it in no way, shape, or form will jumping right before impact help you survive a free-falling elevator or plane getting ready to crash in to the ground. So, in other words, you are F'ed if you ever find yourself in one of those situations..

Shut the hell up! I can defy physics if I really put my mind to it.

ChiefFripp
04-25-2006, 02:30 PM
I was once on a flight where the pilot came on and was chatting away about the weather at our destination when he suddenly and loudly said, "Oh f*ck!" and then was quiet for a minute or two. No explanation.
I don't think Geiko offered him the deal he wanted.

Nzoner
04-25-2006, 02:31 PM
ROFL

No. Believe it or not, it's "Awwww shit!"


I have to think those were Custer's last words as well.

Donger
04-25-2006, 02:32 PM
It's got to work. You're transferring your kinetic energy downward to the elevator. The only challenge other than the obvious problem of magnitude is that if you were able to put enough energy into it to make a difference, your only accomplishment would be to fracture your skull on the elevator ceiling before you hit. This is why I've advocated for years not having a ceiling on elevators. Not only would it provide an interesting view, but it would also improve safety for anyone who has strong enough legs to high-jump fifty feet.

Don't tell me. Tell brad and these Myth Buster idiots.

Donger
04-25-2006, 02:33 PM
I have to think those were Custer's last words as well.

Nope. His were: "Does my hair look okay?"

Rain Man
04-25-2006, 02:33 PM
Actually they tested that very scenario on Myth Busters. Their test concluded that in no way, shape, or form will jumping right before impact help you survive a free-falling elevator or plane getting ready to crash in to the ground. So, in other words, you are F'ed if you ever find yourself in one of those situations..

I bet they're only saying that because, if they find themselves in that situation, they want to be the only ones jumping. If everyone jumps at the same time, the advantage goes only to the person with the strongest legs.

Nzoner
04-25-2006, 02:33 PM
I don't think Geiko offered him the deal he wanted.

I was thinking he probably had the Chiefs game on in the cockpit.

thebrad84
04-25-2006, 02:43 PM
Shut the hell up! I can defy physics if I really put my mind to it.
ROFL

Hey man, I always thought it would work too. I was extremely disappointed when they broke the news to me. The test they ran was pretty damn accurate too. They used a high-speed camera to capture what happened to the dummy after he made his "average human jump" right before impact...needless to say...it wasn't a pretty sight.

Rain Man
04-25-2006, 02:53 PM
ROFL

Hey man, I always thought it would work too. I was extremely disappointed when they broke the news to me. The test they ran was pretty damn accurate too. They used a high-speed camera to capture what happened to the dummy after he made his "average human jump" right before impact...needless to say...it wasn't a pretty sight.

But was the dummy worse off? That's the key. Maybe it at least gave the dummy something to think about on the way down besides impending impalement, explosion, and death.

On another elevator topic, I always grip anything in my hand tightly when I get onto an elevator, because I have this mental image that anything I drop will bounce around and fall into the elevator shaft.*

Last week, my wife told me that she was putting on her company name tag, which attaches via magnets, and she dropped one of the magnets right as she stepped onto the elevator. Sure enough, it fell right into that little crack and disappeared down the shaft.


* - I think this stems from a fight I had with my older sister when I was five. That night, I discovered that she had put my toothbrush onto the bathroom floor, so to get even with her I took her toothbrush, and using all of my imagination, I dropped it onto the floor. It bounced crazily, and caromed right into the heat vent that was on the wall (not even the floor, but the wall), which according to my best knowledge at the time, led directly to a raging fire somewhere in the basement and so consumed any objects, including people, who ventured within. I got in some trouble over that, but learned the valuable lesson that any dropped item will always proceed to the worst possible landing place.

ct
04-25-2006, 03:00 PM
But was the dummy worse off? That's the key. Maybe it at least gave the dummy something to think about on the way down besides impending impalement, explosion, and death.

On another elevator topic, I always grip anything in my hand tightly when I get onto an elevator, because I have this mental image that anything I drop will bounce around and fall into the elevator shaft.*

Last week, my wife told me that she was putting on her company name tag, which attaches via magnets, and she dropped one of the magnets right as she stepped onto the elevator. Sure enough, it fell right into that little crack and disappeared down the shaft.


* - I think this stems from a fight I had with my older sister when I was five. That night, I discovered that she had put my toothbrush onto the bathroom floor, so to get even with her I took her toothbrush, and using all of my imagination, I dropped it onto the floor. It bounced crazily, and caromed right into the heat vent that was on the wall (not even the floor, but the wall), which according to my best knowledge at the time, led directly to a raging fire somewhere in the basement and so consumed any objects, including people, who ventured within. I got in some trouble over that, but learned the valuable lesson that any dropped item will always proceed to the worst possible landing place.

Better not drop your soap then.

DJJasonp
04-25-2006, 03:00 PM
[QUOTE=Donger]Probably, "You've got to be f*cking kidding me."


Or he was hearing his "wife" yell at him...."It puts the lotion in the basket...."


Somewhere on the radio, Alice in Chains' "Down in a hole" was playing.

Prince22
04-25-2006, 10:40 PM
no.. it's because he smoked marijuana and once looked at porn without asking for forgiveness.


Or he had an abortion. :shrug:

Psyko Tek
04-25-2006, 11:57 PM
Probably, "You've got to be f*cking kidding me."

Here's a fun, little trivia question: What is the most common thing said by pilots who are about to crash?


I got this

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