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KingPriest2
04-27-2006, 12:04 PM
Senators to push for $100 gas rebate checks
Under proposal, every U.S. taxpayer would get one
From Dana Bash
CNN


Thursday, April 27, 2006; Posted: 5:44 a.m. EDT (09:44 GMT)


Filling your car with gas these days can be an eye-opening -- and a wallet-emptying -- experience.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Every American taxpayer would get a $100 rebate check to offset the pain of higher pump prices for gasoline, under an amendment Senate Republicans hope to bring to a vote Thursday.

However, the GOP energy package may face tough sledding because it also includes a controversial proposal to open part of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska to oil exploration, which most Democrats and some moderate Republicans oppose.

Democrats are also expected to offer their own competing proposal, as members of both parties jockey for political position on the gas price issue.

The energy package, sponsored by Sens. Charles Grassley of Iowa, Ted Stevens of Alaska, Pete Domenici of New Mexico and Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, will be offered as an amendment to an emergency spending measure now before the Senate funding the Iraq war and hurricane relief, according to a senior GOP leadership aide.

Under Senate rules, either the GOP amendment or the Democratic alternative would probably need 60 votes to pass, which is considered unlikely. However, the amendments would give senators a change to cast votes on measures designed to help constituents being hit by high gas prices.

As outlined by the senior GOP leadership aide, the energy package would give taxpayers a $100 rebate, repeal tax incentives for oil companies and allow the Federal Trade Commission to prosecute retailers unlawfully inflating the price of gasoline.

The measure would also give the Transportation Department authority to issue fuel efficiency standards for passenger vehicles, expand tax incentives for the use of hybrid vehicles and push for more research into alternative fuels and expansion of existing oil refineries.

The GOP senators are also calling on the Bush administration to suspend deposits into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve for six months to increase the nation's oil supply. President Bush announced Tuesday that he would halt new deposits into the reserve until after the summer driving season. (Full story)

On the other side of the aisle, Democrats on Wednesday called for a new energy bill and federal legislation to punish price gougers.

"There's no reason why we can't put forth a real energy policy that addresses the needs of this nation," said Rep. Bart Stupak, a member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, "from gouging to market manipulation to biofuels. We can do it." (Full story)

And leaders of the Senate Finance Committee on Wednesday asked the Internal Revenue Service to let them examine the tax returns of the nation's 15 largest oil and gas companies, as part of a "comprehensive review" of oil industry profits.

"I want to make sure the oil companies aren't taking a speed pass by the tax man," said Grassley, the committee's chairman, in a written statement. (Full story)

Rain Man
04-27-2006, 12:06 PM
This seems like a staggeringly stupid idea. A hundred bucks isn't going to make a difference to anyone.

BigMeatballDave
04-27-2006, 12:06 PM
Interesting...

BigMeatballDave
04-27-2006, 12:08 PM
This seems like a staggeringly stupid idea. A hundred bucks isn't going to make a difference to anyone.Agreed. But, I could still use an extra $100.

Skip Towne
04-27-2006, 12:08 PM
This seems like a staggeringly stupid idea. A hundred bucks isn't going to make a difference to anyone.
Can I have yours?

bkkcoh
04-27-2006, 12:11 PM
This seems like a staggeringly stupid idea. A hundred bucks isn't going to make a difference to anyone.


Nothing like feel-good legislation. How many of the board thought the rebate checks for child deductions was a horrible idea???? :hmmm:

Stinger
04-27-2006, 12:11 PM
This seems like a staggeringly stupid idea. A hundred bucks isn't going to make a difference to anyone.

Not to mention this will probably concidered income and they will tax that.

I say if they really want to help us buy each American $100 in Exxon stock. ROFL

BigMeatballDave
04-27-2006, 12:11 PM
Can I have yours?
ROFL

jspchief
04-27-2006, 12:18 PM
This seems like a staggeringly stupid idea. A hundred bucks isn't going to make a difference to anyone.3/4 tank on my Suburban.

I agree it's stupid. Concentrate on a long term solution.

Cochise
04-27-2006, 12:20 PM
Well, I wouldn't tear up the check, but I don't really think this is the best solution.

StcChief
04-27-2006, 12:22 PM
Send the checks to everyone paying taxes.

Mr. Laz
04-27-2006, 12:27 PM
how about we just stop catering to Big oil instead of having to cover for them.

Pitt Gorilla
04-27-2006, 12:31 PM
Given our budget situation, why not just make them for $1000 or $10000?

jspchief
04-27-2006, 12:37 PM
Given our budget situation, why not just make them for $1000 or $10000?You're getting warmer...

NewChief
04-27-2006, 12:38 PM
ROFL ROFL ROFL

I can't believe this is the current state of American politics. I fully expect Dems to put forward a bill rebating taxpayers $200 next. Then Repubs will raise them. How much is your vote worth?

Fire Me Boy!
04-27-2006, 12:43 PM
I may be in the minority, but while I'd like the extra $100, does it seem at all unfair to send $100 to someone who drives 30 miles a week as opposed to someone who commutes to work, for oh, say 500 miles a week?

Saulbadguy
04-27-2006, 12:50 PM
What a circus.

MOhillbilly
04-27-2006, 12:55 PM
****ing socialists.

Keep your welfare and fix our ****ing country.

sedated
04-27-2006, 12:55 PM
it also includes a controversial proposal to open part of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska to oil exploration

is Alaska's wildlife worth $100?



:hmmm:

Hydrae
04-27-2006, 12:59 PM
So where are they going to increase revenues to pay for this? The government doesn't have it's own money, it only has ours. If it sends you $100 I will guarantee you it will cost you $110 down the road (have to pay for the overhead to cut and mail all those checks).

Demonpenz
04-27-2006, 01:00 PM
anything helps in this time of need

Amnorix
04-27-2006, 01:01 PM
Just an unbelievably dumb idea.

It's like putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.

sedated
04-27-2006, 01:04 PM
I would certainly take the money, but how does this help anything?

Our government must think we are f*cking morons if they expect $100 to shut everyone up.

BigMeatballDave
04-27-2006, 01:07 PM
So where are they going to increase revenues to pay for this? The government doesn't have it's own money, it only has ours. If it sends you $100 I will guarantee you it will cost you $110 down the road (have to pay for the overhead to cut and mail all those checks).I wondered this also. This could help, though...


As outlined by the senior GOP leadership aide, the energy package would give taxpayers a $100 rebate, repeal tax incentives for oil companies

jiveturkey
04-27-2006, 01:19 PM
Republican love to spend money and once again the dems don't really have an idea. :hmmm:

I'm going to use the rest of the day to be sad.

FAX
04-27-2006, 01:22 PM
I give our great leaders thousands of dollars each year to investigate the feasibility of using monkey vomit as a contraceptive and they want to give me $100 to offset my fuel expenses?

Thank you, great leaders.

FAX

Swanman
04-27-2006, 01:27 PM
This has absolutely nothing to do with sending $100 to each taxpayer. It is an attempt to get authorization to use the Alaska Wildlife Refuge for oil exploration. People have been trying to push that through for years, so they're using this $100/person as a smoke screen to push the Alaska issue through as a rider to the bill. This is the perfect example of why we need single issue legislation in Congress.

Fire Me Boy!
04-27-2006, 01:31 PM
is Alaska's wildlife worth $100?



:hmmm:
I'd sell Alaska's wildlife for three elk steaks and a six pack.

Cochise
04-27-2006, 01:31 PM
Here we go - the 'drilling in ANWR will result in the destruction of all wildlife evarwhere!1' crowd is here..

Rain Man
04-27-2006, 01:32 PM
So where are they going to increase revenues to pay for this? The government doesn't have it's own money, it only has ours. If it sends you $100 I will guarantee you it will cost you $110 down the road (have to pay for the overhead to cut and mail all those checks).

Probably closer to $500 than $110, by the time you count all of the expenses of passing the bill, authorizing payment, getting systems set up, putting the list together, and then doing the mailings.

Rain Man
04-27-2006, 01:34 PM
This has absolutely nothing to do with sending $100 to each taxpayer. It is an attempt to get authorization to use the Alaska Wildlife Refuge for oil exploration. People have been trying to push that through for years, so they're using this $100/person as a smoke screen to push the Alaska issue through as a rider to the bill. This is the perfect example of why we need single issue legislation in Congress.

I truly don't understand why we have multiple issues in bills. It makes no sense, and it wastes lots of money. What's the rationale?

My guess is that maybe it's so Congress isn't voting on every single road repair in America, but at the same time, there still seems to be nothing good that comes out of putting completely unrelated things on the same bill.

Bowser
04-27-2006, 01:35 PM
Fire Me Boy, what the hell is wrong with you?

Swanman
04-27-2006, 01:39 PM
I truly don't understand why we have multiple issues in bills. It makes no sense, and it wastes lots of money. What's the rationale?

My guess is that maybe it's so Congress isn't voting on every single road repair in America, but at the same time, there still seems to be nothing good that comes out of putting completely unrelated things on the same bill.

I'm assuming the reason for multiple-issue legislation is efficiency, but when politicians are throwing in riders left and right to benefit themselves, the whole process needs to be overhauled.

Fire Me Boy!
04-27-2006, 01:49 PM
Fire Me Boy, what the hell is wrong with you?
Nothin'! Elk steaks are good eats! ;)




Really, I'm just messing around -- making a joke with over-the-top statements meant to be humor through exaggeration. In reality, it'd take more like a whole SIDE of elk. And the beer would be import.

Cochise
04-27-2006, 01:52 PM
I'm assuming the reason for multiple-issue legislation is efficiency, but when politicians are throwing in riders left and right to benefit themselves, the whole process needs to be overhauled.

I remember a some years ago some ridiculous hate speech legislation got tacked onto an education bill at the last minute. Pretty nice - either you vote for the other side's agenda, or you get labelled someone who votes against education.

Swanman
04-27-2006, 01:57 PM
I remember a some years ago some ridiculous hate speech legislation got tacked onto an education bill at the last minute. Pretty nice - either you vote for the other side's agenda, or you get labelled someone who votes against education.

You nailed it on the head there. That's how this one is going to go down. The dems and moderate repubs are going to vote this one down due to the Alaska rider and the right-wingers that penned the bill are going to yell about how they don't believe in helping out taxpayers with their high gas bills.

Pitt Gorilla
04-27-2006, 02:12 PM
You nailed it on the head there. That's how this one is going to go down. The dems and moderate repubs are going to vote this one down due to the Alaska rider and the right-wingers that penned the bill are going to yell about how they don't believe in helping out taxpayers with their high gas bills.Exactly.

Chiefs Express
04-27-2006, 02:17 PM
Will the democrats then complain about the widening gap between a balanced budget and the deficit?

The question being: Where are they going to get the $100 per person to rebate? 200,000,000 drivers = $20,000,000,000

Cochise
04-27-2006, 02:20 PM
You nailed it on the head there. That's how this one is going to go down. The dems and moderate repubs are going to vote this one down due to the Alaska rider and the right-wingers that penned the bill are going to yell about how they don't believe in helping out taxpayers with their high gas bills.

Meanwhile, the band plays on.

Bowser
04-27-2006, 02:22 PM
Will the democrats then complain about the widening gap between a balanced budget and the deficit?

The question being: Where are they going to get the $100 per person to rebate? 200,000,000 drivers = $20,000,000,000

Same place they're getting the Iraq money from, I guess.

Chiefs Express
04-27-2006, 02:24 PM
Same place they're getting the Iraq money from, I guess.

I know, what's another $20 billion?

Answer: Nothing if it is at the request of the democrats!

Bowser
04-27-2006, 02:36 PM
I know, what's another $20 billion?

Answer: Nothing if it is at the request of the democrats!

Did I just miss something here?

banyon
04-27-2006, 02:49 PM
$100 rebate checks?

Maybe China should try this solution too...

Chiefs Express
04-27-2006, 02:50 PM
Did I just miss something here?

Don't you remember?

Originally Posted by Bowser
Same place they're getting the Iraq money from, I guess.

(Isn't that one of the places where the dems are screaming about money being wasted and driving us into debt that will be unrecoverable??)

Pitt Gorilla
04-27-2006, 03:06 PM
I know, what's another $20 billion?

Answer: Nothing if it is at the request of the democrats!I'd suggest reading the thread responses prior to posting stuff like this. This is a bad idea regardless of who proposes it.

HC_Chief
04-27-2006, 03:11 PM
$100 one-time buy off?

lol

That $20billion would be better served in the private tech sector, for the perfection of the hydrogen fuel cell.

jspchief
04-27-2006, 03:13 PM
This has absolutely nothing to do with sending $100 to each taxpayer. It is an attempt to get authorization to use the Alaska Wildlife Refuge for oil exploration. People have been trying to push that through for years, so they're using this $100/person as a smoke screen to push the Alaska issue through as a rider to the bill. This is the perfect example of why we need single issue legislation in Congress.That's kind of what I was thinking too. If you read the article, there's a lot of other stuff they're trying to get through with the $100 rebate. It seems like a ploy to garner public support for the measure.

Inspector
04-27-2006, 03:16 PM
Haven't read this thread yet, but where the heck is the government going to get that $100??

So, I can get a couple of free tanks of gas. Cool. Now they can raise the price to $6 a gallon and we can afford it.

ChiefaRoo
04-27-2006, 03:25 PM
Senators to push for $100 gas rebate checks
Under proposal, every U.S. taxpayer would get one
From Dana Bash
CNN


Thursday, April 27, 2006; Posted: 5:44 a.m. EDT (09:44 GMT)


Filling your car with gas these days can be an eye-opening -- and a wallet-emptying -- experience.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Every American taxpayer would get a $100 rebate check to offset the pain of higher pump prices for gasoline, under an amendment Senate Republicans hope to bring to a vote Thursday.

However, the GOP energy package may face tough sledding because it also includes a controversial proposal to open part of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska to oil exploration, which most Democrats and some moderate Republicans oppose.

Democrats are also expected to offer their own competing proposal, as members of both parties jockey for political position on the gas price issue.

The energy package, sponsored by Sens. Charles Grassley of Iowa, Ted Stevens of Alaska, Pete Domenici of New Mexico and Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, will be offered as an amendment to an emergency spending measure now before the Senate funding the Iraq war and hurricane relief, according to a senior GOP leadership aide.

Under Senate rules, either the GOP amendment or the Democratic alternative would probably need 60 votes to pass, which is considered unlikely. However, the amendments would give senators a change to cast votes on measures designed to help constituents being hit by high gas prices.

As outlined by the senior GOP leadership aide, the energy package would give taxpayers a $100 rebate, repeal tax incentives for oil companies and allow the Federal Trade Commission to prosecute retailers unlawfully inflating the price of gasoline.

The measure would also give the Transportation Department authority to issue fuel efficiency standards for passenger vehicles, expand tax incentives for the use of hybrid vehicles and push for more research into alternative fuels and expansion of existing oil refineries.

The GOP senators are also calling on the Bush administration to suspend deposits into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve for six months to increase the nation's oil supply. President Bush announced Tuesday that he would halt new deposits into the reserve until after the summer driving season. (Full story)

On the other side of the aisle, Democrats on Wednesday called for a new energy bill and federal legislation to punish price gougers.

"There's no reason why we can't put forth a real energy policy that addresses the needs of this nation," said Rep. Bart Stupak, a member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, "from gouging to market manipulation to biofuels. We can do it." (Full story)

And leaders of the Senate Finance Committee on Wednesday asked the Internal Revenue Service to let them examine the tax returns of the nation's 15 largest oil and gas companies, as part of a "comprehensive review" of oil industry profits.

"I want to make sure the oil companies aren't taking a speed pass by the tax man," said Grassley, the committee's chairman, in a written statement. (Full story)

It's a F*****g joke. It's our money they're offering back to us. Give them $1,000 in gas taxes and they'll give you a one time $100 back so you can feel better about your boning. The market isn't to blame here it's the huge fed and state taxes on the gasoline that is obscene.


"They'll turn us all into beggars 'cause we're easier to please. They're feeding our people that government cheese"

jspchief
04-27-2006, 03:36 PM
The market isn't to blame here it's the huge fed and state taxes on the gasoline that is obscene.Really? How much has tax on gas gone up in the last two years?

Taxes have nothing to do with the price of gas doubling in the last 24 months.

CoMoChief
04-27-2006, 03:40 PM
This is retarded. So now because gas is so high everyone is entitled to 2-3 free tanks of gas? First of all this will not pass. If theres anyone to blame because of this it's China and India and their rediculously high demand for oil. Ours is high however theres is much more. You can say the war in Iraq is a reason, but thats just a small fraction of what China and India consume.

jidar
04-27-2006, 05:15 PM
I know, what's another $20 billion?

Answer: Nothing if it is at the request of the democrats!


Uh what are you talking about? This is being done by Republicans.

listopencil
04-27-2006, 05:24 PM
**** the Senate. I'm supposed to be happy that they are willing to give me back $100 of my own money? Stop charging taxes on gasoline in the first place, you slimy bitches!

jidar
04-27-2006, 05:31 PM
**** the Senate. I'm supposed to be happy that they are willing to give me back $100 of my own money? Stop charging taxes on gasoline in the first place, you slimy bitches!

somebody has to pay for the roads. Taxes are the same as they have been the past few years, that's not what's going up.

Hey call me crazy but I have a theory on why gas prices have gone up, lets see what you think.

Suppose they make gasoline from oil. I don't know if they do, but imagine if they did.
Well, seeing as how the cost of oil has trippled in the past three to four years, and they make gasoline from oil, that might explain it huh?

Holy shit I think I'm on to something.
Someone give me a ****ing pipe because I just did a Sherlock Holmes. Seriously, I'm like Cagney & Lacey minus the carpet munching.
Jidar PI, Private Eye.

Clint in Wichita
04-27-2006, 05:34 PM
I like the idea of a $100 rebate, because it will make me forget about high gas prices, and maybe even persuade me to vote Republican in the upcoming elections.


That, or Washington is full of co_k-chugging, baby-raping fecalphiliacs who should be ground into hamburger meat and force-fed to everyone south of the Mason-Dixon line.


I guess you could say I'm on the fence.

listopencil
04-27-2006, 06:05 PM
somebody has to pay for the roads. Taxes are the same as they have been the past few years, that's not what's going up.

Hey call me crazy but I have a theory on why gas prices have gone up, lets see what you think.

Suppose they make gasoline from oil. I don't know if they do, but imagine if they did.
Well, seeing as how the cost of oil has trippled in the past three to four years, and they make gasoline from oil, that might explain it huh?

Holy shit I think I'm on to something.
Someone give me a ****ing pipe because I just did a Sherlock Holmes. Seriously, I'm like Cagney & Lacey minus the carpet munching.
Jidar PI, Private Eye.

Then let me give you a lead on another case...I have to pay fees to the Department of Motor Vehicles at least once a year. So does everyone else. Truckers pay more than I do. Where the **** does that money go, considering that they keep shutting down local offices? The pie chart at the local DMV says that a lot of it goes towards road work/improvement. So, once again Sherlock, where the **** is my money going? I was referring to repealing gasoline tax as opposed to a rebate.

ENDelt260
04-27-2006, 06:09 PM
Nothing like feel-good legislation. How many of the board thought the rebate checks for child deductions was a horrible idea???? :hmmm:
I liked Lewis Black's bit on that.... "All that amount does is remind you how f*cked you are!"

Simplex3
04-27-2006, 06:11 PM
Agreed. But, I could still use an extra $100.
Yeah, and it will only cost you $500 in taxes for the feds to kick out that $100 check. Smart investment.

listopencil
04-27-2006, 06:11 PM
Yeah, and it will only cost you $500 in taxes for the feds to kick out that $100 check. Smart investment.

No shit.

Simplex3
04-27-2006, 06:16 PM
is Alaska's wildlife worth $100?



:hmmm:
Yes, considering that drilling in ANWR wouldn't actually affect any wildlife.

Simplex3
04-27-2006, 06:19 PM
I wondered this also. This could help, though...As outlined by the senior GOP leadership aide, the energy package would give taxpayers a $100 rebate, repeal tax incentives for oil companies
Yes, repeal tax exemptions. That won't come out of the pocket of either the shareholders or the consumer.

Wake up.

Chiefs Express
04-27-2006, 06:27 PM
I'd suggest reading the thread responses prior to posting stuff like this. This is a bad idea regardless of who proposes it.
I would suggest something for you but it not physically possible and still live. I couldn't have you committing suicide because I recommended that you do it.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka
04-27-2006, 07:25 PM
This is by far the most insulting "solution" for the price of fuel that has been presented thus far. For the politicians to even fathom that giving me $100 will come close to alleviating the "pain at the pump" makes me sick. Of course knowing the nature of most people they will be running to the mailbox every day like a kid to the Christmas tree if this abortion of an idea passes. And I can here all the republican talking heads already.... "well we are the only ones working for a way to help people with high gas prices."


:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

:cuss:

Got damn politicians...........

Mr. Laz
04-27-2006, 07:46 PM
i am all for rebate checks AS LONG AS the oil companies are the one paying it.

dam price gouging pieces of crap

the Talking Can
04-27-2006, 07:53 PM
hilarious....record debts and interest payments..but here's a $100 bribe...morons....

Mr. Laz
04-27-2006, 07:55 PM
.. here's a $100 bribe...morons....

it's exactly what they did with the tax cut at the very beginning.

bribery in hopes that nobody will notice all the stupid crap they were about to do.

another bribe to keep it going :shrug:

recxjake
04-27-2006, 07:56 PM
what a dumb idea... it won't solve anything.....

Republicans need to stand up to the stupid democrats who won't let us drill in ANWR or off the coasts.... handing $$ out is stupid... get the real message out.... tell who is driving up the prices... DEMOCRATS

Pitt Gorilla
04-27-2006, 08:04 PM
tell who is driving up the prices... DEMOCRATSYou can't be this stupid.

Mr. Laz
04-27-2006, 08:09 PM
You can't be this stupid.
yes, he can

recxjake
04-27-2006, 08:25 PM
You can't be this stupid.

they are the ones that are blocking drilling and building new refineries..... if we do those 2 things, we don't have a problem..... THANK YOU DEMOCRATS

Pitt Gorilla
04-27-2006, 09:04 PM
they are the ones that are blocking drilling and building new refineries..... if we do those 2 things, we don't have a problem..... THANK YOU DEMOCRATSHow many refineries do companies currently want to build? You must know to have made your statement.

Simplex3
04-27-2006, 09:07 PM
i am all for rebate checks AS LONG AS the oil companies are the one paying it.

dam price gouging pieces of crap
I'd laugh but the fact that you believe this isn't funny.

Companies don't pay taxes. They simply pass the increase to the customers and or the loss to the shareholders.

ChiefaRoo
04-27-2006, 09:09 PM
Really? How much has tax on gas gone up in the last two years?

Taxes have nothing to do with the price of gas doubling in the last 24 months.

Your right, not directly the speculative market and oil futures is responsible. However, understand that there are huge fed and state taxes on every gallon of gas. It varies but in places like Hawaii and Cali. they charge something like .30 to .50 cents a gallon of tax at the fed level and there are state taxes in most states on top of that.

The politicians are insulting us by offering a table scrap rebate so that they can stay ahead of the issue and look like they're helping the public. If they really wanted to help they could lower taxes.

ChiefaRoo
04-27-2006, 09:16 PM
This is by far the most insulting "solution" for the price of fuel that has been presented thus far. For the politicians to even fathom that giving me $100 will come close to alleviating the "pain at the pump" makes me sick. Of course knowing the nature of most people they will be running to the mailbox every day like a kid to the Christmas tree if this abortion of an idea passes. And I can here all the republican talking heads already.... "well we are the only ones working for a way to help people with high gas prices."


:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

:cuss:

Got damn politicians...........


Your right, but understand this isn't a Rep. or Dem. issue both sides are pandering their asses off. We're going to need more energy as our economy grows and so will the Chinese and Indians. Unless someone out there has a fusion reactor in their pocket we're going to need to use Oil, Coal, Natural Gas, Nuclear Power, Wind and Solar for the next several decades. We also need more refining. I just get so pissed about watching pols jumping around but offering nothing but crap and flinging it at each other instead of getting together and putting out a comprehensive energy plan. The pols past and present are the problem here. I mean it's not like the nut jobs in The M.E. have been stable until recently.

J Diddy
04-27-2006, 09:27 PM
what a dumb idea... it won't solve anything.....

Republicans need to stand up to the stupid democrats who won't let us drill in ANWR or off the coasts.... handing $$ out is stupid... get the real message out.... tell who is driving up the prices... DEMOCRATS


Stupid is as stupid does, Forest.

Donger
04-27-2006, 09:38 PM
they are the ones that are blocking drilling and building new refineries..... if we do those 2 things, we don't have a problem..... THANK YOU DEMOCRATS

That's just as f*cking ignorant as those that say Bush is responsible for the high price of crude.

irishjayhawk
04-27-2006, 10:12 PM
That's just as f*cking ignorant as those that say Bush is responsible for the high price of crude.
Bush doesn't exactly stand up to the price gouging that's very apparent.

Having said that, it isn't entirely his fault. His fault lies in a year of inaction.

58-4ever
04-27-2006, 10:16 PM
Send the checks to everyone paying taxes.

and then raise taxes.

Simplex3
04-27-2006, 10:17 PM
Bush doesn't exactly stand up to the price gouging that's very apparent.

Having said that, it isn't entirely his fault. His fault lies in a year of inaction.
1. Define "price gouging".

2. Show how that is being done in relation to the current price of gasoline.

3. Show how the profit MARGINS of American oil companies have gone up dramatically.

Donger
04-27-2006, 10:19 PM
Bush doesn't exactly stand up to the price gouging that's very apparent.

Having said that, it isn't entirely his fault. His fault lies in a year of inaction.

So apparent that he just asked for Congress to investigate?

YOU can report suspected gouging to the FTC. Trust me, they'd LOVE to hear from you if you have a case. Do you?

Bush is as responsible for the price of crude as you or I am.

FAX
04-27-2006, 10:29 PM
I have a scientist friend who speculates that you could likely fuel a form of internal combustion engine on uric acid.

Piss. That's the answer to our dreams for self-sufficiency. And, piss is where we should be investing.

FAX

Simplex3
04-27-2006, 10:31 PM
I have a scientist friend who speculates that you could likely fuel a form of internal combustion engine on uric acid.

Piss. That's the answer to our dreams for self-sufficiency. And, piss is where we should be investing.

FAX
I've been adding to my own stockpile every day of my life.

FAX
04-27-2006, 10:37 PM
I've been adding to my own stockpile every day of my life.

Certainly so, Mr. Simplex3. As have I.

If we can utilize piss as fuel, we can simply use the gratuitous $100 for beer and recycle the result.

I say, "To damnation with the Chinese. Let's go to town on piss!"

FAX

Simplex3
04-27-2006, 10:42 PM
Certainly so, Mr. Simplex3. As have I.

If we can utilize piss as fuel, we can simply use the gratuitous $100 for beer and recycle the result.

I say, "To damnation with the Chinese. Let's go to town on piss!"

FAX
It would also help the nation's health since we'd all be drinking more water.

I'm going to say it first:

THIS PLAN HAS NO HOLES. Well, except for the one the pee is coming out of. Oh, and the one in the car the pee goes into.

Of course it may have a negative impact on the price of watersports videos, so maybe GoatCheeze will be against it.

tk13
04-27-2006, 10:58 PM
If the reason for gas prices is a demand issue like everybody says it is... then what is giving people money to buy more gas going to do? Bbbbbb-rilliant plan.

irishjayhawk
04-27-2006, 11:47 PM
Before I retire for the night, I thought I'd say somethings:

First, I am not blaming Bush for the high gas prices, merely wondering and frowning upon the amount of time it took and the height gas prices had to take for him to at least look into it.

Sure, an investigation was initiated. There's lots of investigations our government conducts that take way more time, money and attention and usually lose of those things.

Do I have evidence that they are price fixing them? Nope. Having said that, I'm quite confident that's what's happening especially given the Exxon mobile situation that took place. You know, the highest profits in the companies history for a quarter AND giving their ex-CEO $400million in "retirement money". I don't think it's a coincidence.

For all we know, there could be a shortage and Alaska ccould be the refuge and I for one am willing to drill there. Then again, it could be companies scaling back production to increase the price per gallon of oil thus driving up the cost and fooling the consumers and media into a "shortage" mantra.

I sure as hell don't know, but I can speculate and for me, Exxon mobile's deal was enough for me to confidently say that's what's going down. If only our government worked a bit faster and didn't come up with utterly stupid ideas to bring them down.

The problem boils down to:
Gas is needed, almost like oxygen.
Thus, we can't truly boycott so they have us by the balls.
We don't have a proactive, consumer-friendly government, more of a corporo-centric government. Look at Cheneyburton.

That is all.

Donger
04-27-2006, 11:53 PM
Look at Cheneyburton.

That is all.

I was actually going to try to educate you, until this.

Enjoy your bliss.

BigMeatballDave
04-28-2006, 01:28 AM
What percentage is taxed by the Feds per gallon? Or is it a flat rate per gallon?

el borracho
04-28-2006, 02:27 AM
$100 rebate? I know I am in the minority here but I would actually support a $2.00 per gallon tax if I thought the money would be put to good use (such as funding research for fuel alternatives). Of course that isn't likely so maybe they should just leave things as they are.

beer bacon
04-28-2006, 02:58 AM
Haven't read this thread yet, but where the heck is the government going to get that $100??

So, I can get a couple of free tanks of gas. Cool. Now they can raise the price to $6 a gallon and we can afford it.

Each $100 given to a United States citizen is only going to cost $130 in tax money. Just quiet down mister.

beer bacon
04-28-2006, 03:00 AM
**** the Senate. I'm supposed to be happy that they are willing to give me back $100 of my own money? Stop charging taxes on gasoline in the first place, you slimy bitches!

Or perhaps they could put that 15-20 billion dollars into research on more efficient fuel. It seems that long term research would be much more beneficial to our country then $100 bribes, but maybe I am just crazy.

Taco John
04-28-2006, 03:28 AM
This seems like a staggeringly stupid idea. A hundred bucks isn't going to make a difference to anyone.



It would make about $100 dollars difference in my XBOX 360 fund... :)

Taco John
04-28-2006, 03:37 AM
Yes, considering that drilling in ANWR wouldn't actually affect any wildlife.



...or gas prices...

tk13
04-28-2006, 04:01 AM
...or gas prices...
No kidding. To heck with the elk! Well not really, I'm all for maintaining a good enviroment, but I'm not really much for drilling because I seriously doubt it's gonna help gas prices. It'll probably help make oil company profits better down the road maybe, but people already are complaining about oil company profits. Like they're gonna pass that buck onto the consumer. Why would they suddenly start doing that?

Even with instant approval for drilling, it will take 10 years before the oil from ANWR will be brought to market, and another 10 years after that to get to 1 million barrels pumped per day.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174487,00.html

KingPriest2
06-11-2008, 03:14 PM
Whatever happened to this?

StcChief
06-11-2008, 03:17 PM
Not to mention this will probably concidered income and they will tax that.

I say if they really want to help us buy each American $100 in Exxon stock. ROFL so who are you splitting your share with?

http://www.rogueinvestor.com/DOW_Jones_stock_prices/Exxon_Mobil_stock_current_price.htmltoday $88.61 up .72

Redrum_69
06-11-2008, 03:17 PM
Whatever happened to this?



I'm sure you'll find out if you bump a few more from 2006

CoMoChief
06-11-2008, 03:19 PM
This is just a slap in the face. I could fill up my car, then buy 3 days worth of Groceries.

YEA!!!!!!!!!!

Fire Me Boy!
06-11-2008, 03:24 PM
I wonder if Rainman will get his?

rambleonthruthefog
06-11-2008, 03:29 PM
100 dollar rebate is dumb. don't get me wrong i'll cash my check, but this is a solution for absolutely nothing. big oil is not the prob, government is not the problem. the problem with high gas prices is supply and demand. be glad were only paying 4 bucks a gallon. outside of the middle east, most countrys pay at least double this. in a year or three, 5 dollar gas will be the good ol days. profit is not a bad word people, not in our free market economy. if people will pay it, you charge it. works for everything else. i don't like it paying for gas, but high prices are the only thing that will drive change.

Calcountry
06-11-2008, 03:33 PM
Whatever happened to this?As soon as I read Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania in the present tense, I knew it was a thread bump. Besides, the Repubicans aren't in the position to propose much of anything, it is the job of the leadership to govern and lead to which they have FAILED miserably.