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Rooster
04-27-2006, 03:17 PM
If Mel Kiper wasn't the self appointed genious of draft day what career would he have? :hmmm:


I can see him in a light green polyester suit trying to sell me a junk car at a third rate car lot.

Donger
04-27-2006, 03:19 PM
An English dog on a cartoon.

JBucc
04-27-2006, 03:22 PM
a porn star

Baby Lee
04-27-2006, 03:26 PM
Say, that reminds me! How'd you get that kid s'darned fast? Me'n Dottie went in to adopt on account of something went wrong with m'semen, and they told us five years' wait for a healthy white baby! I said healthy white baby! Five years! Okay, what else you got?

Donger
04-27-2006, 03:27 PM
Say, that reminds me! How'd you get that kid s'darned fast? Me'n Dottie went in to adopt on account of something went wrong with m'semen, and they told us five years' wait for a healthy white baby! I said healthy white baby! Five years! Okay, what else you got?

Heh. Mw wife is still pissed that all I have to yell is, "Hit the dirt, boy!" and my son drops like a stone.

hypersensitiveZO6
04-27-2006, 03:30 PM
he'll have a condom brand!

Kiper's Crazy Extra Small Condoms
The #1 Draft choice for gay lovers

Rooster
04-27-2006, 03:31 PM
Say, that reminds me! How'd you get that kid s'darned fast? Me'n Dottie went in to adopt on account of something went wrong with m'semen, and they told us five years' wait for a healthy white baby! I said healthy white baby! Five years! Okay, what else you got?

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

"Give me that baby you warthog form hell!"

Baby Lee
04-27-2006, 03:33 PM
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

"Give me that baby you warthog form hell!"
Do dey come in funny shapes.

Nope, lessen' you consider round funny.

Rooster
04-27-2006, 03:41 PM
Do dey come in funny shapes.

Nope, lessen' you consider round funny.

"It ain't armed robbery if the gun ain't loaded."

leviw
04-27-2006, 04:47 PM
Kiper isn't exactly "self appointed". The dude knows his shit though, and not just in the draft. Ever listen to ESPN The Radio? He's all over everything; MLB, NFL, NBA, etc. He's very underrated, except for this time of year.

Sully
04-27-2006, 05:28 PM
Son,
You gotta panty on your head.

CoMoChief
04-27-2006, 05:38 PM
The creator of some kinda hair product?

CoMoChief
04-27-2006, 05:40 PM
He's a big fake when it comes to the draft. No one knows whos gonna pick who usually after the first few picks and he thinks he knows all. Last season's draft I think he picked 4 out of 32 picks or something like that?

leviw
04-27-2006, 05:44 PM
He's a big fake when it comes to the draft. No one knows whos gonna pick who usually after the first few picks and he thinks he knows all. Last season's draft I think he picked 4 out of 32 picks or something like that?

Exactly. So who is a better analyst than him when it comes to the draft? It's not just about who gets who. It's about the players, what they have to offer, what the teams need, etc. He knows his stuff. Doesn't just get paid for his predictions and mocks.

jspchief
04-27-2006, 05:48 PM
He's a big fake when it comes to the draft. No one knows whos gonna pick who usually after the first few picks and he thinks he knows all. Last season's draft I think he picked 4 out of 32 picks or something like that?Obviously it's a big guessing game. All it takes a few unexpected moves to derail an entire mock draft. I don't Kiper claims to be any more than he is. He's generally on target on round projections, which is about the best anyone can do.

Here's a ranking of draft prognosticators for percentage of their top 100 that actually got picked in the top 100.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/top100/index.shtml

Kiper doesn't exactly suck at it.

hypersensitiveZO6
04-27-2006, 05:51 PM
Obviously it's a big guessing game. All it takes a few unexpected moves to derail an entire mock draft. I don't Kiper claims to be any more than he is. He's generally on target on round projections, which is about the best anyone can do.

Here's a ranking of draft prognosticators for percentage of their top 100 that actually got picked in the top 100.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/top100/index.shtml

Kiper doesn't exactly suck at it.


ESPN needs this RICK GOSSELIN guy.

Skip Towne
04-27-2006, 05:51 PM
Exactly. So who is a better analyst than him when it comes to the draft? It's not just about who gets who. It's about the players, what they have to offer, what the teams need, etc. He knows his stuff. Doesn't just get paid for his predictions and mocks.
Did he ever play the game at any level?

jspchief
04-27-2006, 05:54 PM
ESPN needs this RICK GOSSELIN guy.Rick Gosselin writes for the Dallas Morning News and IMO he's the most football-savvy sports reporter in the business. You should consider checking out his articles online. He writes good stuff.

And if he wanted to work for ESPN, he'd be there. My guess is he doesn't want to work for that joke of a station.

jspchief
04-27-2006, 05:54 PM
Did he ever play the game at any level?What difference does that make?

hypersensitiveZO6
04-27-2006, 06:03 PM
Rick Gosselin writes for the Dallas Morning News and IMO he's the most football-savvy sports reporter in the business. You should consider checking out his articles online. He writes good stuff.

And if he wanted to work for ESPN, he'd be there. My guess is he doesn't want to work for that joke of a station.

Here's his mock this year.


1. Houston Reggie Bush
2. New Orleans Matt Leinart
3. Tennessee Jay Cutler
4. N.Y. Jets Mario Williams
5. Green Bay A.J. Hawk
6. San Francisco Vernon Davis
7. Oakland Vince Young
8. Buffalo D'Brickashaw Ferguson
9. Detroit Michael Huff
10. Arizona Haloti Ngata
11. St. Louis Jimmy Williams
12. Cleveland Brodrick Bunkley
13. Baltimore Jonathan Joseph
14. Philadelphia Ernie Sims
15. Denver Manny Lawson
16. Miami Winston Justice
17. Minnesota Chad Greenway
18. Dallas Santonio Holmes
19. San Diego Antonio Cromartie
20. Kansas City Tamba Hali
21. New England Bobby Carpenter
22. Denver Laurence Maroney
23. Tampa Bay John McCargo
24. Cincinnati Donte Whitner
25. N.Y. Giants DeAngelo Williams
26. Chicago Tye Hill
27. Carolina LenDale White
28. Jacksonville Ashton Youboty
29. N.Y. Jets Kamerion Wimbley
30. Indianapolis Joseph Addai
31. Seattle Chris Chester
32. Pittsburgh Jason Allen

leviw
04-27-2006, 06:13 PM
Did he ever play the game at any level?

Nope. But Tim Grunhard has. Let's just leave it at that.

Kiper has worked in an NFL front office. He's got great contacts. He knows what's going on with the draft more so than anyone else not directly involved. I think that's a safe bet.

Skip Towne
04-27-2006, 06:18 PM
What difference does that make?
Who said it makes a difference? I just want to know if he did.

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2006, 06:30 PM
I just don't get "hairdue" Kiper, because the man has never played, coached, or even scouted in the NFL

tk13
04-27-2006, 06:38 PM
I just don't get "hairdue" Kiper, because the man has never played, coached, or even scouted in the NFL
Yeah, I don't know. We're talking about a league where there's a guy like Bill Belichick who never played a down of NFL football who's a "genius", and then on the other end you have Matt Millen, who was a good player... and as a GM, well it speaks for itself. I'm not a huge Kiper fan but he doesn't seem any less knowledgable than some of these guys who are actually making the picks.

leviw
04-27-2006, 06:47 PM
I just don't get "hairdue" Kiper, because the man has never played, coached, or even scouted in the NFL

What does it matter? If you know your shit, you know your shit.

Case and Point: This is long, but I promise you, it's well worth the read.

http://apse.dallasnews.com/contest/2003/writing/over250/over250.features.second.html

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2006, 06:54 PM
What does it matter? If you know your shit, you know your shit.



Shit!!!!!!!

Kiper knowing his stuff is like saying Osama Bid Laden has a Christmas tree in December

leviw
04-27-2006, 06:56 PM
Shit!!!!!!!

Kiper knowing his stuff is like saying Osama Bid Laden has a Christmas tree in December

Who's better at the draft-time gig than Kiper?

cdcox
04-27-2006, 07:25 PM
Kiper is okay by me. He scores a solid 70 on the unintentionaly comedy scale. I'd rather watch someone that is passionate about what they do and has some personality quirks than another ex-jock who's opinion isn't any better informed than the average fans.

leviw
04-27-2006, 07:27 PM
Kiper is okay by me. He scores a solid 70 on the unintentionaly comedy scale. I'd rather watch someone that is passionate about what they do and has some personality quirks than another ex-jock who's opinion isn't any better informed than the average fans.

Nice take, Bill Simmons.

cdcox
04-27-2006, 07:29 PM
Nice take, Bill Simmons.

Hey, I'm not above stealing an idea that I find useful. Next time I'll give a citation in a footnote.

leviw
04-27-2006, 07:35 PM
Hey, I'm not above stealing an idea that I find useful. Next time I'll give a citation in a footnote.

No need, man. Bill's an artist. Love that guy. In fact, rep for the reference.

cdcox
04-27-2006, 07:37 PM
No need, man. Bill's an artist. Love that guy. In fact, rep for the reference.

He's so good, he can get me to read about the NBA.

epitome1170
04-27-2006, 07:37 PM
Not really sure how people can say Kiper doesn't know his draft. I am not found of the guy, but damn you have to respect how much he knows

epitome1170
04-27-2006, 07:42 PM
Oh yeah and he is definitely a car salesman

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2006, 07:43 PM
Who's better at the draft-time gig than Kiper?


Mike Mayock <--- former player

cdcox
04-27-2006, 07:44 PM
TV evangelist

leviw
04-27-2006, 07:46 PM
Mike Mayock <--- former player

What is "No"?

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2006, 07:47 PM
What is "No"?

Yes


http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/mayock_mike

CanadaKC
04-27-2006, 07:53 PM
A Kerry Fraser-like NHL referee...

leviw
04-27-2006, 08:00 PM
Yes


http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/mayock_mike

Yeah, I know who he is. Not even in Kiper's league.

jspchief
04-27-2006, 08:42 PM
Kiper has been doing this for ESPN for over 20 years. Even if he didn't know what he was doing when he started, you can't convince me that 20 years on the job has taught him nothing.

Some people just have screwed up expectation of what these guys can do. Think about it. NFL teams get it wrong a lot. How much better do you expect Kiper to be?

Phobia
04-27-2006, 08:46 PM
Kiper has worked in an NFL front office. He's got great contacts. He knows what's going on with the draft more so than anyone else not directly involved. I think that's a safe bet.

Plus he drives GM products.

blueballs
04-27-2006, 08:56 PM
he played pee wee ball

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2006, 09:16 PM
Yeah, I know who he is. Not even in Kiper's league.


Kiper is armchair wannabe infact any one of us could do his job if we got paid to watch college football games 24/7 to evaluate talent for ESPN

jspchief
04-27-2006, 09:21 PM
Kiper is armchair wannabe infact any one of us could do his job if we got paid to watch college football games 24/7 to evaluate talent for ESPNIf anyone could do it, and Kiper is so bad at it, why exactly has he been able to keep his job for over 20 years?

My guess is, Kiper knows a hell of a lot more about it than you or I or anyone else on this BB ever will. He's probably established quite a rolodex over the years too.

Is he the best? Maybe not. But he's good enough to make a career out of it.

leviw
04-27-2006, 09:22 PM
Kiper is armchair wannabe infact any one of us could do his job if we got paid to watch college football games 24/7 to evaluate talent for ESPN

Wannabe what? I don't understand the "former player" pull for you? Like jsp said, Kiper has been doing this for 20 years. He knows people in the business. Understands the game. Understands what goes on in the front office.

Mayock? Well...he was a former player. Sat in a broadcast booth for a few years. Good for him. I'm sure he'll be a stud as a "College guru".

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2006, 09:24 PM
If anyone could do it, and Kiper is so bad at it, why exactly has he been able to keep his job for over 20 years?

My guess is, Kiper knows a hell of a lot more about it than you or I or anyone else on this BB ever will.


I Sorry can't believe that dipshit has more "football knowledge" than me or others on this very BB.

Miles
04-27-2006, 09:25 PM
I Sorry can't believe that dipshit has more "football knowledge" than me or others on this very BB.

Yeah right.

leviw
04-27-2006, 09:26 PM
I Sorry can't believe that dipshit has more "football knowledge" than me or others on this very BB.
ROFL

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2006, 09:28 PM
This is how Kiper did it he got lucky in broadcast journalism by landing a job in the gestation of ESPN as a network in a whole. Currently he wouldn't be able to break the market as a the "ultimate evaluator of talent". He'd be just another internet draftnik

jspchief
04-27-2006, 09:28 PM
I Sorry can't believe that dipshit has more "football knowledge" than me or others on this very BB.I can. In fact, you're convincing me more by the second.

leviw
04-27-2006, 09:30 PM
This is how Kiper did it he got lucky in broadcast journalism by landing a job in the gestation of ESPN as a network in a whole. Currently he wouldn't be able to break the market as a the "ultimate evaluator of talent". He'd be just another internet draftnik

Ummm...you may want to read his bio if you honestly believe that.

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2006, 09:30 PM
I can. In fact, you're convincing me more by the second. \



ooooooooooh a ChiefsPlanet Pile on haven't seen this in a while :rolleyes:

Crush
04-27-2006, 09:32 PM
It is all about the hair.

cdcox
04-27-2006, 09:33 PM
This is how Kiper did it he got lucky in broadcast journalism by landing a job in the gestation of ESPN as a network in a whole. Currently he wouldn't be able to break the market as a the "ultimate evaluator of talent". He'd be just another internet draftnik

Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

jspchief
04-27-2006, 09:35 PM
This is how Kiper did it he got lucky in broadcast journalism by landing a job in the gestation of ESPN as a network in a whole. Currently he wouldn't be able to break the market as a the "ultimate evaluator of talent". He'd be just another internet draftnikHe practically invented the job. He started a scouting publication business while he was still in college and was hired several years later by ESPN. He's not a broadcast journalist any more than Mike Mayock is.

As for not being able to break into the market, maybe you missed the rankings I posted earlier.

He's been getting paid to espouse his football knowledge for probably as long as you've been alive. He probably knows more about college players in one year than you'll know in your lifetime. I'm not sure what your beef is, but you're an ass to sit here and try and discredit him in the face of what he's accomplished.

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2006, 09:37 PM
Ummm...you may want to read his bio if you honestly believe that.



Mel Kiper Jr. has served as an expert analyst for ESPN's annual NFL draft coverage since 1984, providing in-depth information on the nation's most talented college football players. His pre-draft predictions are frequently the most accurate in the business, often as much as 80 percent correct on first-round selections. He also has a Web page (www.espn.go.com/melkiper), linked off of ESPN.com, that launched in 2000.
Kiper is also analyst for "College GameDay" on ESPN Radio, 11 a.m.-7 p.m. Saturdays throughout the season. Additionally, he is a frequent contributor to ESPN's award-winning "SportsCenter" during the NFL and college football seasons and provides occasional updates throughout the year.
Kiper is president of Kiper Enterprises, which he founded in 1981 while in college. It is responsible for all aspects of a series of annual publications including the "NFL Draft Report" and "Draft Preview."
His continuous, yearlong research is aided by an office equipped with satellite dishes allowing him to pick up 20 to 25 college games each week. This adds to his in-depth knowledge gathered from lengthy discussions with coaches, players and team executives.
Kiper, born July 25, 1960, attended Essex Community College in
Baltimore


It sounds like anyone of us given the oppurtunity and connections

jspchief
04-27-2006, 09:45 PM
It sounds like anyone of us given the oppurtunity and connectionsYea, sounds like any of us. I can't count how many CP members started an NFL draft publication business in college that blossomed into a 20+ year TV career.

Why do you think he got the opportunity, and where did he get the connections?

Stop and think about it. He's practically the only person in the world with that job. If it's so damn easy, don't you think others would be doing it? If he's so damn bad at it, why hasn't he been replaced?

leviw
04-27-2006, 09:46 PM
Mel Kiper Jr. has served as an expert analyst for ESPN's annual NFL draft coverage since 1984, providing in-depth information on the nation's most talented college football players. His pre-draft predictions are frequently the most accurate in the business, often as much as 80 percent correct on first-round selections. He also has a Web page (www.espn.go.com/melkiper), linked off of ESPN.com, that launched in 2000.
Kiper is also analyst for "College GameDay" on ESPN Radio, 11 a.m.-7 p.m. Saturdays throughout the season. Additionally, he is a frequent contributor to ESPN's award-winning "SportsCenter" during the NFL and college football seasons and provides occasional updates throughout the year.
Kiper is president of Kiper Enterprises, which he founded in 1981 while in college. It is responsible for all aspects of a series of annual publications including the "NFL Draft Report" and "Draft Preview."
His continuous, yearlong research is aided by an office equipped with satellite dishes allowing him to pick up 20 to 25 college games each week. This adds to his in-depth knowledge gathered from lengthy discussions with coaches, players and team executives.
Kiper, born July 25, 1960, attended Essex Community College in
Baltimore.


It sounds like anyone of us given the oppurtunity and connections

Highlighted all the wrong stuff there, bud.

It sounds like he was way ahead of his time and made the most of his knowledge, showcasing it and making it sought after.

We should all be so fortunate.

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2006, 09:51 PM
Highlighted all the wrong stuff there, bud.

It sounds like he was way ahead of his time and made the most of his knowledge, showcasing it and making it sought after.

We should all be so fortunate.

like I said if anyone of us had the time to watch college football games 24/7 we could call do this as a job. Their's websites out their now proclaiming the same thing concerning the 80% accuracy standpoint.

leviw
04-27-2006, 09:55 PM
like I said if anyone of us had the time to watch college football games 24/7 we could call do this as a job. Their's websites out their now proclaiming the same thing concerning the 80% accuracy standpoint.

Do you not understand that if it weren't for Kiper, these websites wouldn't exsist. The guy was at least 15 years ahead of everyone else doing this today. He was an innovator, and his tenure alone is enough to seperate himself heads and shoulders above anyone else trying to do the same thing.

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2006, 09:56 PM
Yea, sounds like any of us. I can't count how many CP members started an NFL draft publication business in college that blossomed into a 20+ year TV career.

Why do you think he got the opportunity, and where did he get the connections?

Stop and think about it. He's practically the only person in the world with that job. If it's so damn easy, don't you think others would be doing it? If he's so damn bad at it, why hasn't he been replaced?


Easy the same reason why other "broadcasters" aren't replaced, because of continuity with producers, and again luck. Their's other magazines that are doing the same thing Kiper was the 1st to hit the market if he wasn't hired on ESPN then that guy would've done the samething. It's all about luck

jspchief
04-27-2006, 09:57 PM
Eay the same reason why other "broadcasters" aren't replaced, because of continuity with producers, and again luck. Their's other magazines that are doing the same thing Kiper was the 1st to hit the market if he wasn't hired on ESPN then that guy would've done the samething. It's all about luckYour and idiot.

Miles
04-27-2006, 09:58 PM
Eay the same reason why other "broadcasters" aren't replaced, because of continuity with producers, and again luck. Their's other magazines that are doing the same thing Kiper was the 1st to hit the market if he wasn't hired on ESPN then that guy would've done the samething. It's all about luck

There is a reason Kiper was the first to hit the market. He created the damn job in the first place.

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2006, 09:58 PM
Your and idiot.


thank you thank you :D


:rockon:

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2006, 10:00 PM
There is a reason Kiper was the first to hit the market. He created the damn job in the first place.

because ESPN was the 1st to televise the event too

jspchief
04-27-2006, 10:02 PM
because ESPN was the 1st to televise the event tooHe started his business 3 years before he got a job at ESPN.

cdcox
04-27-2006, 10:04 PM
because ESPN was the 1st to televise the event too

Yeah, and any one who made a dime off ESPN was just lucky because they were the first all sports network.

And Henry Ford was lucky because he was the first to apply mass production techniques to the automobile.

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2006, 10:04 PM
He started his business 3 years before he got a job at ESPN.

Like said he was the 1st, but eventually it would've occured any way hell if I was in community college, and taking 6 hours of clases damn right I'd watch a shit load of football

jspchief
04-27-2006, 10:07 PM
Like said he was the 1st, but eventually it would've occured any way hell if I was in community college, and taking 6 hours of clases damn right I'd watch a shit load of footballAre you just being stubborn, or are you really this dense?

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2006, 10:07 PM
Yeah, and any one who made a dime off ESPN was just lucky because they were the first all sports network.

And Henry Ford was lucky because he was the first to apply mass production techniques to the automobile.




That's the 1st time I've ever heard of that comparison before ROFL

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2006, 10:07 PM
Are you just being stubborn, or are you really this dense?

stubborn as hell

jspchief
04-27-2006, 10:09 PM
stubborn as hellGood. That's better than the alternative.