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Dunit35
04-27-2006, 07:02 PM
is on now. They are on #9 on their mock draft. Mike Golic is picking for KC.

Dunit35
04-27-2006, 07:18 PM
Denver selects Chad Jackson.

Dunit35
04-27-2006, 07:31 PM
And there goes Cromartie to the Vikes.

Dunit35
04-27-2006, 07:34 PM
Wow, they say Dallas should take Allen....

chop
04-27-2006, 07:36 PM
Chiefs up next.

Dunit35
04-27-2006, 07:37 PM
Finally...I thought I was the only one watching this.

chop
04-27-2006, 07:39 PM
Is it going to be Tye or Jimmy?

Starbux37
04-27-2006, 07:39 PM
Well I can't watch it since I'm at work so I'm just following everyones posted updates. Keep'em coming and thanks.

chop
04-27-2006, 07:40 PM
And the pick is Lendale White

chop
04-27-2006, 07:41 PM
just kidding!

chop
04-27-2006, 07:41 PM
Tye Hill is the choice

Dunit35
04-27-2006, 07:42 PM
no they shouldn't....damn you golic....Tye Hill? Was Williams and Lawson available still?

Starbux37
04-27-2006, 07:42 PM
And the pick is Lendale White

You're joking, right. Please tell me you're joking.

Dunit35
04-27-2006, 07:43 PM
Man come on...If they take Hill over Williams I'm going to be super pissed.

chop
04-27-2006, 07:43 PM
Mike Golic selected him for the Chiefs. Kiper said he is pound for pound one of the best players.

Mr. Laz
04-27-2006, 07:44 PM
no they shouldn't....damn you golic....Tye Hill? Was Williams and Lawson available still?
yep ... williams,lawnson,hali,joseph were all still there

chop
04-27-2006, 07:44 PM
You're joking, right. Please tell me you're joking.


yeah, I was joking.

Starbux37
04-27-2006, 07:44 PM
just kidding!

Oh thank GOD. I could live with Tye Hill, but wouldn't have been my 1st choice, but at least he didn't go WR.

Dunit35
04-27-2006, 07:44 PM
Jimmy Williams better be picked before Hill. I'd take Hali over Hill personally.

Dunit35
04-27-2006, 07:46 PM
yep ... williams,lawnson,hali,joseph were all still there


Wow, just wow. Them picking Hill makes me nervous, I sure hope they don't do that with Williams and Lawson still there.

Starbux37
04-27-2006, 07:46 PM
yep ... williams,lawnson,hali,joseph were all still there

Alot of analyst are predicting Hali is going to fall to the mid 2nd. I don't believe it and would have rather of had him as our pick. I think all the stuff being said about him is a bunch of smoke and mirrors just so some team that is late in the 1st has a shot at him.

beer bacon
04-27-2006, 07:52 PM
Mike Golic selected him for the Chiefs. Kiper said he is pound for pound one of the best players.

...And Tye Hill weighs in at...89 pounds!

Dunit35
04-27-2006, 07:56 PM
I'm going to be honest. I'm alittle upset at this pick. I wouldn't be upset if Williams and Lawson were gone. But in their draft they weren't gone.

ChiefsCountry
04-27-2006, 08:09 PM
Hill over Williams, speed is about the only thing Hill has over Williams.

Mr. Laz
04-27-2006, 08:21 PM
Hill over Williams, speed is about the only thing Hill has over Williams.

i think Hill is considered a better Character pick too

ChiefsCountry
04-27-2006, 08:31 PM
i think Hill is considered a better Character pick too

Yeah that too.

CupidStunt
04-28-2006, 07:22 AM
Hill over Williams, speed is about the only thing Hill has over Williams.

No. You couldn't be further off base if you tried.

For one, and most importantly, did you not hear that Jimmy Williams ONLY wants to play safety?

**** that. We need a CORNER more than a safety. I LOVE Williams as a prospect and especially his versatility, but if he truely does want to play safety and only safety, **** him over Tye Hill. No way in hell.

As Kiper said, Hill -- pound for pound -- is one of the best players in the draft.

Brock
04-28-2006, 08:30 AM
No. You couldn't be further off base if you tried.

For one, and most importantly, did you not hear that Jimmy Williams ONLY wants to play safety?

No, I didn't hear that. Where did you hear that?

CupidStunt
04-28-2006, 08:37 AM
Well, he did an interview stating that he wants to play safety. Late in that interview, he said if forced he would play corner but really wants to be an enforcer at safety. The only exact quote I remember from the interview, which i'm sure you could search on Google and verify, is when he said -- "I'm a safety at heart".

Secondly, there's a guy on another forum who is friends with Rick Gosselin and has a proven track record as a reliable source. He's called numerous things such as being the first to call DeMarcus Ware to Dallas over Shawne Merriman (kinda helps that Gosselin writes for the DALLAS Morning News), to Troy Williamson to the Vikings long before anyone else.

Whether you'd trust such information is your decision, but I do because of how it's worked out in the past.

Finally, there was an article that quoted him as saying something alone the lines of, "I'll be drafted as a safety to play safety. I only moved to corner at Tech because we had no one else". I'll try and find this article.

jiveturkey
04-28-2006, 08:40 AM
Can you imagine our defense with speed at FS?

4.4 forty speed to boot. :eek:

Brock
04-28-2006, 08:51 AM
Finally, there was an article that quoted him as saying something alone the lines of, "I'll be drafted as a safety to play safety. I only moved to corner at Tech because we had no one else". I'll try and find this article.

Do that. Chiefsplanet standards demand it.

Brock
04-28-2006, 08:52 AM
Can you imagine our defense with speed at FS?

4.4 forty speed to boot. :eek:

Maybe within the next couple of years, the defense will approach adequate.

Dunit35
04-28-2006, 08:56 AM
Can you imagine our defense with speed at FS?

4.4 forty speed to boot. :eek:


Yeah, it'd be awesome. Seriously, if we couldn't trade down and draft Hali or if for some reason we decide not to draft Lawson, I would rather have Williams. He could be a dominated force at S.

htismaqe
04-28-2006, 09:24 AM
I strongly disagree that we NEED a CB but don't need a FS.

If Williams and Lawson are both there and we select Hill, especially after the head coach downplayed the importance of CB's, would just be further evidence that this team doens't have what it takes upstairs...

jiveturkey
04-28-2006, 09:38 AM
I strongly disagree that we NEED a CB but don't need a FS.

If Williams and Lawson are both there and we select Hill, especially after the head coach downplayed the importance of CB's, would just be further evidence that this team doens't have what it takes upstairs...I still doubt that they're both there at 20 but if they are and we don't take either of them, then the team has found one of the few ways to piss my off with that selection.

ct
04-28-2006, 09:44 AM
I really think we can find a solid CB or S in the 2nd round, but the premeir pass-rush talents I cannot say that about. If Lawson is there, we will take him.

BigChiefFan
04-28-2006, 09:56 AM
After Trapp is off the board, I don't see many DEs, that make me say, great move on waiting for this guy. The draft is a balancing act. Going into this draft and all drafts, for that matter, team's should have a strong idea of what the strengths and weaknesses of the postions are, so you can get value out of a pick. This year, the strength is the secondary, so we won't have many shots at getting a quality DE, where as a quality CB or FS, should still be available later in the draft. The smart money is to take the DE in 1st round.

htismaqe
04-28-2006, 10:08 AM
A quality S may be available later.

But if that's what we're looking for, don't bother.

We need a playmaker, a gamechanger at safety. If we can't get Huff, Allen, or Williams, we might as well just go into next season with what we have.

Brock
04-28-2006, 10:11 AM
We need a playmaker, a gamechanger at safety. If we can't get Huff, Allen, or Williams, we might as well just go into next season with what we have.

One of those three should be there.

CupidStunt
04-28-2006, 10:14 AM
We need a playmaking corner equally as bad, and given the position, i'd value it higher.

Though i'm NOT a fan of Wesley or Knight, they are at least NFL-caliber players. Behind Surtain, i'm not sure we have any of those at corner.

htismaqe
04-28-2006, 10:16 AM
We need a playmaking corner equally as bad, and given the position, i'd value it higher.

Though i'm NOT a fan of Wesley or Knight, they are at least NFL-caliber players. Behind Surtain, i'm not sure we have any of those at corner.

I just simply disagree.

A great safety makes the CB's that much better.

ct
04-28-2006, 11:43 AM
A great front 7, specifically a pass rush, will make BOTH of them better.

htismaqe
04-28-2006, 12:02 PM
A great front 7, specifically a pass rush, will make BOTH of them better.

Not having a stud safety all can all but nullify having a killer front 7. Just ask San Diego.

BigChiefFan
04-28-2006, 12:05 PM
Just give us some PLAYMAKERS at any position.

RedThat
04-28-2006, 12:13 PM
A quality S may be available later.

But if that's what we're looking for, don't bother.

We need a playmaker, a gamechanger at safety. If we can't get Huff, Allen, or Williams, we might as well just go into next season with what we have.

To be quite honest, I am with you. I'd like a safety. I think I know which kind of safety you covet, you want a safety that has the ability to change games. One that can be in the class, mold of an Ed Reed, Brian Dawkins, Roy Williams, Sean Taylor, etc.

Realistically though, I don't see anybody in this draft that has that kind of potential. The closest that comes to my mind is Michael Huff, and I don't think he'll be like an Ed Reed. I think Michael Huff will be a good player. I view him as a tweener. He is not a pure safety. never was.

Plus, if he gets drafted in the top 10, he is gonna wanna probably get drafted as a CB....More $$$.

I'd like a safety, but, I don't see the Ed Reed's, Roy Williams in this draft. I wouldn't mind if we drafted a guy who can come in, step up and do a solid job. doesn't have to be a star, but, just a solid player....better than Wesley that's for sure. I wouldn't mind if we drafted a player like that is of the same mold of a Eugene Wilson. That's possible, we can find one of those in the draft. Maybe in the 3rd round?

*But I'm leaning more towards passrusher. This defense needs to open up. that should be our first priority. But it would be nice if we can get a safety in the 3rd.

StcChief
04-28-2006, 12:20 PM
Just give us some PLAYMAKERS at any position.
Thats right.

Tired of 'duds/tweeners/reaches' that don't really pan out.. or is that coaching?

Got spoiled with the 90s Chiefs D.

htismaqe
04-28-2006, 12:33 PM
Just give us some PLAYMAKERS at any position.

We have at least one playmaker at every position except DT and S.

Mr. Laz
04-28-2006, 12:40 PM
We have at least one playmaker at every position except DT and S.

sammy knight is a playmaker ... just a older one who can't do it consistantly.

wesley just isn't very good imo ... and he isn't a free safety


our secondary pretty much sucks ... hasn't had much talent in years.


patrick surtain is the only real starter we got

CupidStunt
04-28-2006, 12:50 PM
I think this "playmaker" thing is getting a little overrated here. What we need, corner OR safety, is someone who can cover.

Wesley and Knight both make a relative amount of plays, but neither can cover. I don't really care if my safety isn't jacking people up and picking off 10 passes per season, so long as he can man centerfield, cover the deep ball, protect the corners and tackle CONSISTENTLY (no going for the big hit and missing).

htismaqe
04-28-2006, 01:44 PM
I think this "playmaker" thing is getting a little overrated here. What we need, corner OR safety, is someone who can cover.

Wesley and Knight both make a relative amount of plays, but neither can cover. I don't really care if my safety isn't jacking people up and picking off 10 passes per season, so long as he can man centerfield, cover the deep ball, protect the corners and tackle CONSISTENTLY (no going for the big hit and missing).

Well what you just described is a "playmaker" to me.

RedThat
04-28-2006, 01:54 PM
sammy knight is a playmaker ... just a older one who can't do it consistantly.

wesley just isn't very good imo ... and he isn't a free safety


our secondary pretty much sucks ... hasn't had much talent in years.


patrick surtain is the only real starter we got

I agree. Sammy Knight is ok. Patrick Surtain is $. Wesley just sucks, and the other CB ??? who knows?

I'm not concerned about our secondary though. Don't worry Laz, we'll fix that area, we got the best guy to fix it, and that is Herman Edwards.

I'm not concerned about secondary at all. Herm will find us a CB in the 2nd round. Nobody knows DB's better than Herm.

*Im more worried about the Defensive line.

buddha
04-28-2006, 02:03 PM
Ty Hill is one helluva good player. He's already a proven commodity and is very, very fast. If he were taller, he'd be a top five pick. If you get a guy like that at 20, you are lucky because he can run with anybody and he has great body control. I think KC would be fortunate to get him at that position...you can hide size at CB as long as instincts and speed are there. I like Hali too, but I think he's riskier than Hill at this pick.