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cmh6476
04-28-2006, 08:27 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AuG2hXuLFwqI1U9kykK240ZDubYF?slug=cr-bushsuit042706&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

JBucc
04-28-2006, 08:28 AM
Wasn't not having to pay rent why they lived there in the first place?

DaFace
04-28-2006, 08:30 AM
Hmm...sounds to me like the agent (Michael Michaels...who names someone that) is just trying to get himself out of deep shit now that everyone's found out about his little plan.

Brock
04-28-2006, 08:31 AM
USC is in deep doodoo.

jspchief
04-28-2006, 08:39 AM
Michaels was paying Reggie and family in exchange for what he thought would be a contract for Bush's marketing rights.

Bush went with a different marketing company, and now Michaels is getting his revenge. Both by leaking the story and now by suing.

FAX
04-28-2006, 08:39 AM
Excellent plan. The owner (O), concerned with jail (J), is separating himself (HS) from the appearance (AP) of impropriety (IMP) by (BY) affixing a price (P) to the Reggie Bush Family (RBF) home (H) after the fact (F).

In this way, O deflects the AP, places the blame on the RBF, avoids J, protects the RBF from the A of NCAA violations associated with the P of the H and any IMPs while obscuring the Fs.

Brilliant.

FAX

jspchief
04-28-2006, 08:41 AM
USC is in deep doodoo.That's the sad part. This is all about under the table dealings regarding Bush's future pro career, yet the only ones that will receive punishment will be the USC football program.

Garcia Bronco
04-28-2006, 08:42 AM
Why would the owner go to jail? They can do whatever they want with their property...included but not limited to...allowing a family to stay there for free. The NCAA doesn't actually make US laws.

FAX
04-28-2006, 08:45 AM
Why would the owner go to jail? They can do whatever they want with their property...included but not limited to...allowing a family to stay there for free. The NCAA doesn't actually make US laws.

You're right, Mr. Garcia Bronco. I probably shouldn't have used jail (J). Rather, atrocious publicity (AP).

FAX

jspchief
04-28-2006, 08:47 AM
Why would the owner go to jail? They can do whatever they want with their property...included but not limited to...allowing a family to stay there for free. The NCAA doesn't actually make US laws.Didn't that guy that paid off Chris Webber when he was at Michigan suffer legal consequences?

I'm not sure on the details, but I do think there can be legal ramifications when dealing with boosters and student athletes.

Garcia Bronco
04-28-2006, 08:49 AM
Didn't that guy that paid off Chris Webber when he was at Michigan suffer legal consequences?

I'm not sure on the details, but I do think there can be legal ramifications when dealing with boosters and student athletes.

I don't remember the issue...I remember the subject

Crush
04-28-2006, 08:57 AM
Sounds to me that he's just trying to cover his ass.

Skip Towne
04-28-2006, 08:59 AM
That's the sad part. This is all about under the table dealings regarding Bush's future pro career, yet the only ones that will receive punishment will be the USC football program.
And the USC football program had no idea that kid's family couldn't afford that luxurious house? Sound like lack of institutional control to me.

plbrdude
04-28-2006, 09:02 AM
Sounds to me that he's just trying to cover his ass.


sounds to me like there'll be alot of coverin' to do

JBucc
04-28-2006, 09:03 AM
And the USC football program had no idea that kid's family couldn't afford that luxurious house? Sound like lack of institutional control to me.Yeah, a black family in a house like that should automatically raise a red flag.

jspchief
04-28-2006, 09:07 AM
And the USC football program had no idea that kid's family couldn't afford that luxurious house? Sound like lack of institutional control to me.This has nothing to do with the USC football program. It's not about the program buying players. This was a guy that was trying to secure part of Bush's pro career business by giving him an early advance. Bush violated NCAA regulations, USC didn't. But USC will probably still suffer consequences.

And to be clear, it wasn't that luxurious of a house. Certainly a step up from where they lived, but nothing extravagant. I don't think it's entirely reasonable to expect the football program to keep dibs on where player's parents live, or whether they can afford to live there.

chagrin
04-28-2006, 09:08 AM
I don't remember the issue...I remember the subject


Well, I know he had a heart attack before his trial, ergo avoiding any Jail time, vis-a-vis! concordantly!

Skip Towne
04-28-2006, 09:18 AM
This has nothing to do with the USC football program. It's not about the program buying players. This was a guy that was trying to secure part of Bush's pro career business by giving him an early advance. Bush violated NCAA regulations, USC didn't. But USC will probably still suffer consequences.

And to be clear, it wasn't that luxurious of a house. Certainly a step up from where they lived, but nothing extravagant. I don't think it's entirely reasonable to expect the football program to keep dibs on where player's parents live, or whether they can afford to live there.
They wouldn't have to investigate every team member. Just the ones likely to receive help from outside sources. I'll bet most of the team knew it. USC should have known it.

jspchief
04-28-2006, 09:24 AM
They wouldn't have to investigate every team member. Just the ones likely to receive help from outside sources. I'll bet most of the team knew it. USC should have known it.But why is their responsibility to? Can they really do anything to keep Bush from entering into illegal transactions?

I think you have to be able to recognize what is the resposibility of the individual, and what is the responsibilty of the school. They can't control this any more than they can control a player getting drunk and driving or getting into a fight.

What makes this a rare case is Bush got away with it long enough that the football program no longer has any power to levy punishment on him.

Skip Towne
04-28-2006, 09:26 AM
But why is their responsibility to? Can they really do anything to keep Bush from entering into illegal transactions?

I think you have to be able to recognize what is the resposibility of the individual, and what is the responsibilty of the school. They can't control this any more than they can control a player getting drunk and driving or getting into a fight.

What makes this a rare case is Bush got away with it long enough that the football program no longer has any power to levy punishment on him.
I'll bet the NCAA won't see it that way.

Cave Johnson
04-28-2006, 09:29 AM
And the USC football program had no idea that kid's family couldn't afford that luxurious house? Sound like lack of institutional control to me.

By Cali standards, that house wasn't outrageous. In an episode of Flip This House (or is it Flip That House), this total piece house in which squatters had lived for two years and the kitchen and plumbing needed to be replaced still sold for $350K.

oldandslow
04-28-2006, 09:32 AM
This is not USC's fault. Nor in my mind is it Reggie Bush's fault. Hell, how many of us would not do whatever it took to move our families into safe, secure housing.

I don't know where they came from, but suffice to say that if Reggie got his folks out of poverty, then good for him.

hypersensitiveZO6
04-28-2006, 09:33 AM
I don't think it will effect his draft status. He'll still get a $20 million+ deal when he signs with Houston.

Skip Towne
04-28-2006, 09:34 AM
By Cali standards, that house wasn't outrageous. In an episode of Flip This House (or is it Flip That House), this total piece house in which squatters had lived for two years and the kitchen and plumbing needed to be replaced still sold for $350K.
If we knew how long they lived there we could figure it's approximate value. They owe $54,000 in rent. I'll bet they didn't make a payment.

Skip Towne
04-28-2006, 09:36 AM
This is not USC's fault. Nor in my mind is it Reggie Bush's fault. Hell, how many of us would not do whatever it took to move our families into safe, secure housing.

I don't know where they came from, but suffice to say that if Reggie got his folks out of poverty, then good for him.
I agree with all that BUT it's against NCAA regulations. That is what we are talking about here.

Garcia Bronco
04-28-2006, 09:37 AM
I don't think it will effect his draft status. He'll still get a $20 million+ deal when he signs with Houston.


24.6 million I believe...that's just the bonus mind you

jspchief
04-28-2006, 09:41 AM
I'll bet the NCAA won't see it that way.I agree. My point is that I don't think it's fair to the school.

jspchief
04-28-2006, 09:42 AM
If we knew how long they lived there we could figure it's approximate value. They owe $54,000 in rent. I'll bet they didn't make a payment.The house was worth 750k.

The same house where you live would probably be under 200k.

Demonpenz
04-28-2006, 10:13 AM
karma is a bitch

Ari Chi3fs
04-28-2006, 10:58 AM
You're right, Mr. Garcia Bronco. I probably shouldn't have used jail (J). Rather, atrocious publicity (AP).

FAX

Yeah Mr. FAX, your facts are fuct.

Pitt Gorilla
04-28-2006, 11:03 AM
And the USC football program had no idea that kid's family couldn't afford that luxurious house? Sound like lack of institutional control to me.Wow, KU-level cheating.

alanm
04-28-2006, 11:14 AM
USC is in deep doodoo.
How much did Bush play in 04? I expect the NCAA to drop the hammer on them if it's as bad as it's starting to sound. Forfeiture of games, probation and maybe even losing their Nat'l championship. ROFL

Garcia Bronco
04-28-2006, 11:32 AM
How can they take away their National Championship? It's not the NCAA'a championship.

PastorMikH
04-28-2006, 11:40 AM
Yeah, a black family in a house like that should automatically raise a red flag.



Or it could be that when he was recruited out of HS, the Coach failed to notice that the kid's family lived in low income housing, but now his family is living in a mansion in the hills.

Logical
04-28-2006, 11:46 AM
If we knew how long they lived there we could figure it's approximate value. They owe $54,000 in rent. I'll bet they didn't make a payment.Someone is gouging big time here. That home is quite a bit smaller than mine, but it has nice lake view so it is going to be only slightly more valuable than mine. My house payment is approximately 2700 per month, so that seems outrageous for rent.

Logical
04-28-2006, 11:48 AM
Or it could be that when he was recruited out of HS, the Coach failed to notice that the kid's family lived in low income housing, but now his family is living in a mansion in the hills.

It was hardly a mansion. It was 3 bedroom home with 3000 square feet and frankly it is no where nearly as nice as my home which is not close to being a mansion. The only real plus for that home is the Lake view.

JBucc
04-28-2006, 11:51 AM
It was hardly a mansion. It was 3 bedroom home with 3000 square feet and frankly it is no where nearly as nice as my home which is not close to being a mansion. The only real plus for that home is the Lake view.For you maybe, but for some poor ****er like me it's a goddamn mansion.

plbrdude
04-28-2006, 12:05 PM
I agree. My point is that I don't think it's fair to the school.
i totaly agree with that. it's one thing when the school is going about something illegally, but another if players are cutting deals on the side.
this probably is the end result of going through life getting away w/anything because of the talent on the field. then maybe not.

PastorMikH
04-28-2006, 12:05 PM
It was hardly a mansion. It was 3 bedroom home with 3000 square feet and frankly it is no where nearly as nice as my home which is not close to being a mansion. The only real plus for that home is the Lake view.


I wasn't really focussing on Bush himself, just in general. Schools know this stuff goes on and if they don't want sanctions, they should make a bit more of an attempt to regulate this stuff. Saddly, Bush and the Agent are to blame, but the School will get the penalty.


Kinda like, for example, when I was attending MU, from time to time you'd see athletes drafted from inner-city setting driving new sports cars. How did they afford such pricey cars given their lifestyles before college?

jspchief
04-28-2006, 12:11 PM
I wasn't really focussing on Bush himself, just in general. Schools know this stuff goes on and if they don't want sanctions, they should make a bit more of an attempt to regulate this stuff. Saddly, Bush and the Agent are to blame, but the School will get the penalty.


Kinda like, for example, when I was attending MU, from time to time you'd see athletes drafted from inner-city setting driving new sports cars. How did they afford such pricey cars given their lifestyles before college?Why should the school be responsible in this case? It had nothing to do with them.

I'm not sure you understand the story behind this. This wasn't USC booster rewarding Bush for playing at USC. This was someone bribing Bush to get business from his pro career. USC gained nothing.

PastorMikH
04-28-2006, 12:16 PM
Why should the school be responsible in this case? It had nothing to do with them.

I'm not sure you understand the story behind this. This wasn't USC booster rewarding Bush for playing at USC. This was someone bribing Bush to get business from his pro career. USC gained nothing.


Why should the school be responsible? Who will get the punishment in this case? Bush will still get his contract. The agent will pick up another player. The School will get the shaft. IMO, it comes down to the school needing to watch out for its own athletic system here.

I understand the story too, but still, NCAA rules were violated. Bush played NCAA ball AFTER basically making a deal with an agent. No the school didn't gain anything, but they could face NCAA sanctions just the same. Not to mention having a national championship revolked.

StcChief
04-28-2006, 12:19 PM
Why should the school be responsible? Who will get the punishment in this case? Bush will still get his contract. The agent will pick up another player. The School will get the shaft. IMO, it comes down to the school needing to watch out for its own athletic system here.

I understand the story too, but still, NCAA rules were violated. Bush played NCAA ball AFTER basically making a deal with an agent. No the school didn't gain anything, but they could face NCAA sanctions just the same. Not to mention having a national championship revolked.

Too bad if they have their NCAA championship revoked. How many times did they get away with stuff without being caught?

Everything works in a fire drill mentality, business,gov't, schools.

Nothing happens until after an event is brought to light.

jspchief
04-28-2006, 12:21 PM
Why should the school be responsible? Who will get the punishment in this case? Bush will still get his contract. The agent will pick up another player. The School will get the shaft. IMO, it comes down to the school needing to watch out for its own athletic system here.

I understand the story too, but still, NCAA rules were violated. Bush played NCAA ball AFTER basically making a deal with an agent. No the school didn't gain anything, but they could face NCAA sanctions just the same. Not to mention having a national championship revolked.And my whole point is, why should the school be punished for the actions of an individual? They can't control these kids, and I think it's unreasonable to expect them to.

The flaw in this entire issue is that these students aren't allowed to profit off their athletic talent while in college.

PastorMikH
04-28-2006, 12:24 PM
The flaw in this entire issue is that these students aren't allowed to profit off their athletic talent while in college.


So I guess an education that would cost a person $25,000+ and lifelong career possibilities after college don't count for anything?


I understand your point, and, in my opinion, the school shouldn't be held accountable for this either. But in reality, I know they will.

PastorMikH
04-28-2006, 12:26 PM
It's really too bad the NCAA can't declare Bush inelligable for the draft until this is cleared up.

But that ain't gonna happen.

jspchief
04-28-2006, 12:28 PM
So I guess an education that would cost a person $25,000+ and lifelong career possibilities after college don't count for anything?While you're asking the player to turn down a new house for his family that lives in an 800 sq ft apartment, and the colleges are making millions off of his talents? No, it doesn't amount to much.

jettio
04-28-2006, 12:43 PM
On first blush, it seems to me that nobody could reasonably believe that the parents of an adult child can enter into an agreement promising that their child, who would be barred from entering into any agreement regarding future representation due to NCAA rules, would in the future make such an agreement based on the parent's representation that he would.

That does not seem to be reasonable reliance on a promise of future performance by someone not a party to that agreement.

I think these numbnuts invested money hoping that that investment would lead to their being able to represent Reggie Bush, but I think that is all they had was an investment and no enforceable promise.

Brock
04-28-2006, 12:49 PM
It's really too bad the NCAA can't declare Bush inelligable for the draft until this is cleared up.

But that ain't gonna happen.

Yeah, it's really unfortunate that those bloodsuckers can't tell a private citizen what he can't do for a living.

alanm
04-28-2006, 02:27 PM
How can they take away their National Championship? It's not the NCAA'a championship.
If Bush played in that game they would. That is if his family was receiving money. They took away Oklahoma's Big 8 championship for roughly the same thing back in 73.

Logical
04-28-2006, 02:47 PM
Why should the school be responsible in this case? It had nothing to do with them.

I'm not sure you understand the story behind this. This wasn't USC booster rewarding Bush for playing at USC. This was someone bribing Bush to get business from his pro career. USC gained nothing.

I understand the story and I don't like the situation. But the NCAA will possibly rule that Bush became a professional and was therefore no longer elgible. Thereby USC forfeits all games he played. Unlikely to generate future season penalties for USC though.