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MOhillbilly
04-28-2006, 11:36 AM
Dogs that chase livestock should be shot no questions asked. It takes alot of time and money to take care of animals properly only to have a dog run them to ruin because the dogs owners arent responcible.
PETA will spin it anyway they can to there advantage, and id lay odds that not a one of these goofs have ever lost a valuable asset to there buis. to a unrestrained animal.




NATIONAL ANIMAL-RIGHTS GROUP URGES COUNSELING FOR DOG GUNMAN
By Chris Keegan - The Sun Staff
CHARLESTOWN - A national animal rights group wants a King’s Factory Road man charged with shooting his neighbor’s dog to undergo a psychological exam and mandatory counseling if he’s convicted of the crime.
In a letter to Charlestown Solicitor Peter D. Ruggiero, Dan Paden of the People for Ethical Treatment of Animals asked the town prosecutor to push for an evaluation and therapy should Richard Heines, 63, of 820 King’s Factory Road, face sentencing in the death of a female Rottweiler.

On March 27, Heines told Patrolman Philip B. Gingerella that he shot neighbor Walter Bentley’s pet with a .22 calibur rifle earlier that day because the animal had chased his chickens and growled at him in the past, according to police reports.

The dog - which reportedly wandered from Bentley’s yard minutes before its owner heard gunshots on Heines’s property - suffered bullet wounds to the head, nose and shoulder, and was later put down by the patrolman.

"The viciousness shown in shooting helpless animals must not go unpunished," Paden wrote in PETA’s April 25 letter to Ruggiero. "Area residents have reason to be concerned. According to leading mental health professionals and law enforcement agencies, perpetrators of violent acts against animals are often repeat offenders who pose a serious threat not only to other animals but to the community as a whole."

"Because repeat crimes are the rule rather than the exception among animal abusers and given the violent nature of his alleged actions that day," Paden added, "we implore your office to take every measure necessary to ensure that Heines, if convicted, is prohibited from contact with animals and to immediately seize any animals who may remain in his charge."
Charlestown Police have charged Heines with two criminal misdemeanors - mistreating and unnecessarily torturing a domestic animal. He is expected to appear in Fourth Division District Court today for a pre-trial hearing in the case.

Paden said PETA’s involvement in animal cruelty cases varies. The Norfolk, Va.-based group addressed Ruggeiro with their concerns after receiving about a dozen phone calls and e-mails from readers of The Sun, he said.

"Typically, our first step is to write a letter to prosecutors with our concerns and recommendations," Paden said. "If we get the sense that the case is not taken seriously, or if a weak plea deal is in the works, we may encourage those who have expressed concern to write to prosecutors or to the judge, or to attend hearings. In the past, that has certainly been effective."

Though PETA’s letter is addressed to Ruggeiro, Charlestown Police Lt. Jack Shippee said Assistant Solicitor Jennifer Sternick is handling the department’s case.
Heines is currently facing up to 11 months in prison on each misdemeanor count. Shippee said he could have been charged with the malicious killing of an animal - a felony count that carries a maximum of two years in prison and up to a $1,000 fine, according to state statute.

"We realize that he could have been charged with a felony, but the Attorney General’s office would have handled the case from there," Shippee said. "The reason we chose to do two misdemeanors is so we can have more control over the sentencing."

Additionally, Shippee said a felony charge levied against Heines would have required the dog’s body to be exhumed. A necropsy would have had to be performed by the Rhode Island Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, with the remains stored in a freezer until District Court proceedings concluded, he said.

"Taking into account the owner’s feelings, it was not the right thing to do," Shippee said.

http://www.thewesterlysun.com/articles/2006/04/27/news/news03.txt

Katipan
04-28-2006, 11:38 AM
im ok with it

StcChief
04-28-2006, 11:39 AM
because the animal had chased his chickens

What about cruelity to the chickens.

PETA can KMA

BigMeatballDave
04-28-2006, 11:40 AM
If a stray animal is on my property and ****ing with me or my animals(if i had any)I'd shoot it, too.

BIG_DADDY
04-28-2006, 11:41 AM
These guys are so deceptive it isn't even funny. Truth be known they are for systematically ending the ownership of ALL domestic animals. If they think this guy should be charged, punished and sent to counseling I wonder what they think should be done with their own members that pick up people's dogs and tell them they will find it a new home just before they kill them and dump the bodies in the dumpster behind Safeway.

JBucc
04-28-2006, 11:41 AM
If a dog attacks your livestock you should be able to shoot it, and if a PETA member attacks you for shooting the dog, you should be able to shoot it. PETA should be angry at irresponsible dog owners that can't control there pets.

BIG_DADDY
04-28-2006, 11:43 AM
If a stray animal is on my property and ****ing with me or my animals(if i had any)I'd shoot it, too.

Or a stray PETA member coming on the property as well.

Katipan
04-28-2006, 11:43 AM
just cuz it's kinda unclear :p

I'm okay with him shooting the dog.

ct
04-28-2006, 11:44 AM
BS Screw around with someone's livestock, and you WILL be shot! End of discussion.

vailpass
04-28-2006, 11:44 AM
I have a problem with this. Using a .22 was cruel and caused the dog unnecessary pain. If you're going to shoot a dog use your 30-06 or other suitable firearm to put him down with one shot.
If you don't want your dog taken out keep your dog on your own property.

MOhillbilly
04-28-2006, 11:45 AM
These guys are so deceptive it isn't even funny. Truth be known they are for systematically ending the ownership of ALL domestic animals. If they think this guy should be charged, punished and sent to counseling I wonder what they think should be done with their own members that pick up people's dogs and tell them they will find it a new home just before they kill them and dump the bodies in the dumpster behind Safeway.

Thats what bothers me the most- the fact that they are still listened to and grandstand about one thing and are backhanded about the other.
WTF do the have ANY say in the law of the land?

donkhater
04-28-2006, 11:45 AM
I was raised on a farm that my dad co-owned with his brother. My uncle seem to get a different dog every summer. Some of the the dogs would chase hogs or cattle when it was 90+ degrees out. And every time, my uncle put them down with a .22. Unfortunately, the dogs that usually were decent seemed to get hit crossing the highway.

MOhillbilly
04-28-2006, 11:49 AM
I have a problem with this. Using a .22 was cruel and caused the dog unnecessary pain. If you're going to shoot a dog use your 30-06 or other suitable firearm to put him down with one shot.
If you don't want your dog taken out keep your dog on your own property.
Who shoots a 30-06 from ground to ground when they have nieghbors?
A 12 gauge slug would be best,but you cant always get that in the spur of the moment.(shotguns in the bedroom .22s on the back porch.
hes an old man maybe he had the shakes. And its not like he shot the dog in the ass. acouple kill placement shot, and im bet by the time the patrolman got there the dog was dead he just didnt know it.

ct
04-28-2006, 11:49 AM
If a dog attacks your livestock you should be able to shoot it (agree), and if a PETA member attacks you for shooting the dog, you should be able to shoot it :rolleyes: . PETA should be angry at irresponsible dog owners that can't control there pets.(absolutely!!)

BIG_DADDY
04-28-2006, 11:52 AM
I just wish one of these PETA ****s would throw some blood on me after having chicken dinner at KFC.

Bob Dole
04-28-2006, 11:52 AM
Technically, it does not appear that Richard Heines killed the dog.

PastorMikH
04-28-2006, 11:52 AM
Farmer should have known better than to shoot the dog (with just a .22 - use something that will put the dog down fast so it can't limp home).:)

I don't understand the protection standards on dogs. They can cause a lot of damage to livestock as well as harm to humans. If a dog is endangering my family, my animals, or me, I will (and have) put it down. Shoot someone's dog though and you can face stiffer penalties than busting the owner in the chops.

The owner of the dog should have kept it at home. Seeing this stuff happen before, I am sure it wasn't the first time the nieghbor had a problem with the dog.

PastorMikH
04-28-2006, 11:53 AM
Who shoots a 30-06 from ground to ground when they have nieghbors?
A 12 gauge slug would be best,but you cant always get that in the spur of the moment.(shotguns in the bedroom .22s on the back porch.
hes an old man maybe he had the shakes. And its not like he shot the dog in the ass. acouple kill placement shot, and im bet by the time the patrolman got there the dog was dead he just didnt know it.



Actually, a bow would work best, the arrow would pin the dog to the ground/fence/tree, allowing a second, killing shot.:)

Wile_E_Coyote
04-28-2006, 11:56 AM
I have a problem with this. Using a .22 was cruel and caused the dog unnecessary pain. If you're going to shoot a dog use your 30-06 or other suitable firearm to put him down with one shot.
If you don't want your dog taken out keep your dog on your own property.

if the dog goes home to die, instead of just vanishing. Maybe the owner learns a lesson that more of his pets don't have to experience

PastorMikH
04-28-2006, 11:57 AM
I have a problem with this. Using a .22 was cruel and caused the dog unnecessary pain. If you're going to shoot a dog use your 30-06 or other suitable firearm to put him down with one shot.
If you don't want your dog taken out keep your dog on your own property.



I will say this, a .22 is plenty for killing a dog. I've seen a .22 put down a 1,000 pound steer. I put down a rotwieller (at the owner's request) with one shot and the dog never new what hit it. Problem is, you have to hit it right. You could also shoot the dog with a 50 cal sniper rifle and it limp home.

vailpass
04-28-2006, 12:01 PM
Who shoots a 30-06 from ground to ground when they have nieghbors?
A 12 gauge slug would be best,but you cant always get that in the spur of the moment.(shotguns in the bedroom .22s on the back porch.
hes an old man maybe he had the shakes. And its not like he shot the dog in the ass. acouple kill placement shot, and im bet by the time the patrolman got there the dog was dead he just didnt know it.

Yeah, I see what you mean. The farmer was within his rights to take the dog out; I guess it just kinda' bothered me to think of the poor dumb dog laying there hurting. It wasn't the dog's fault, he was just doing what dogs do without benefit of a competent master.

Lzen
04-28-2006, 12:21 PM
If you don't want your dog taken out keep your dog on your own property.

This is the best post yet. 4321 PETA

Hog Farmer
04-28-2006, 12:21 PM
Remember this one guys! www.dogbegone.com (http://www.dogbegone.com)

PastorMikH
04-28-2006, 12:28 PM
Remember this one guys! www.dogbegone.com (http://www.dogbegone.com)


I plan on doing a bit of that myself in about 6 weeks.

Fish
04-28-2006, 12:29 PM
"The viciousness shown in shooting helpless animals must not go unpunished," Paden wrote in PETA’s April 25 letter to Ruggiero.

Why is it that according to PETA every animal is helpless? I swear, they could be talking about a wolverine that just finished eating a six-pack of babies, and it would be described as a poor helpless animal......

jspchief
04-28-2006, 12:36 PM
Yeah, I see what you mean. The farmer was within his rights to take the dog out; I guess it just kinda' bothered me to think of the poor dumb dog laying there hurting. It wasn't the dog's fault, he was just doing what dogs do without benefit of a competent master.That's kind of how I feel.

I don't blame the farmer for protecting his livestock (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he's discussed the problem with his neighbor in the past). But I'd like to think it could be done in a relatively humane manner.

Hog Farmer
04-28-2006, 12:41 PM
I wish I had a dollar for every dog I off'd

jspchief
04-28-2006, 12:42 PM
I wish I had a dollar for every dog I off'dI wish I had a dollar for every farm dog that met an early demise.

MOhillbilly
04-28-2006, 12:46 PM
That's kind of how I feel.

I don't blame the farmer for protecting his livestock (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he's discussed the problem with his neighbor in the past). But I'd like to think it could be done in a relatively humane manner.

And if he hadnt discussed in the past how would you feel?

MOhillbilly
04-28-2006, 12:46 PM
I wish I had a dollar for every farm dog that met an early demise.

that aint no doubt.

jspchief
04-28-2006, 12:49 PM
And if he hadnt discussed in the past how would you feel?I think the neighborly thing to do is let the dog owner know there is a problem and give him a chance to prevent it from happening in the future.

If the dog owner had no idea it was going on, I think it's kind of bullshit to shoot the dog without giving him a chance to rectify the problem.

Was he still within his rights? Yes. But sometimes you can be an asshole and still be within your rights.

FAX
04-28-2006, 12:50 PM
I wish I had a farm dog.

Or, an extra dollar, for that matter.

FAX

sedated
04-28-2006, 01:01 PM
F*ck PETA.

I'd like to shoot all those hypocrits in the head

FAX
04-28-2006, 01:04 PM
If Farm Dogs Were Dollars.

By FAX

If farm dogs were dollars, we'd be raising pups
And feeding them liver and stacking them up
And, there’d be no more doggies found down at the pound
And you'd never see a stray cur, mutt or hound.

And we'd take great big bags of them down to the store
And buy stuff with farm dogs, not cash anymore.
But, we'd always be frugal and watch for the sales
'Cause we'd get all our change back in claws, ears and tails.

FAX

Wile_E_Coyote
04-28-2006, 01:06 PM
there was a story on the news the other night about a canadian goose that got shot with an arrow. They actually went to the effort of saving it. why

BIG_DADDY
04-28-2006, 01:06 PM
F*ck PETA.

I'd like to shoot all those hypocrits in the head


NICE!!!

Bwana
04-28-2006, 01:18 PM
To be honest, I would rather gut shoot a PETA member, but a stray dog chasing after my horses would do. PETA members are a waste of good air and have about as much common sense as Hamas Jenkins. :shake:

Iowanian
04-28-2006, 01:20 PM
He had every right to shoot it.

His biggest mistake was not using a .22 mag instead.

Spicy McHaggis
04-28-2006, 01:42 PM
I just wish one of these PETA ****s would throw some blood on me after having chicken dinner at KFC.

"Do you know what they do to those chickens?"

"No, but it's delicious."

Skip Towne
04-28-2006, 01:45 PM
I had a neighbor whose dog was killing my goats. I told him about it, twice. He denied it was his dog doing it. The third time I followed his dog home and knocked on the door. The farmer came out and I said "Take a look at your dog". The dog stood there covered in blood. His insurance paid me $1000.

MOhillbilly
04-28-2006, 01:56 PM
I had a neighbor whose dog was killing my goats. I told him about it, twice. He denied it was his dog doing it. The third time I followed his dog home and knocked on the door. The farmer came out and I said "Take a look at your dog". The dog stood there covered in blood. His insurance paid me $1000.

Goatroper.

Skip Towne
04-28-2006, 01:58 PM
Goatroper.
I had all the pretty ones marked with pretty ribbons.

Hog Farmer
04-28-2006, 02:00 PM
I had a neighbor whose dog was killing my goats. I told him about it, twice. He denied it was his dog doing it. The third time I followed his dog home and knocked on the door. The farmer came out and I said "Take a look at your dog". The dog stood there covered in blood. His insurance paid me $1000.

Note to Self...... Keep extra bucket of blood handy to dowse neighbors dog with.

BIG_DADDY
04-28-2006, 02:05 PM
Goatroper.
ROFL

FAX
04-28-2006, 02:17 PM
I find this issue very interesting. My family were farmers and ranchers. I grew up on a farm. Several of my friends from home are 3rd generation farmers today. I milked, hauled hay, combined, and basically worked my tail off on a farm from the time I could carry water.

And, I know this. You're justified to shoot a dog that is coming onto your property and harming your livestock. That's clear. But, if somebody shoots a farmer's dog that just happened to get out, on the first offense, without a warning shot, and/or without notifying the dog owner that his dog is out, that's going to piss off a farmer.

FAX

alanm
04-28-2006, 02:22 PM
I wonder how PETA feels about the wholesale slaughter of coyotes this time of year where I live. Coyotes who aimlessly wander onto ranches looking for a tasty newborn calf? ROFL

BIG_DADDY
04-28-2006, 02:27 PM
I wonder how PETA feels about the wholesale slaughter of coyotes this time of year where I live. Coyotes who aimlessly wander onto ranches looking for a tasty newborn calf? ROFL

Truth be known they are against the domestic ownership of all animals. They would probably be all for it as strange as that sounds.

alanm
04-28-2006, 02:35 PM
Well the calfs aren't quite as small as they were back in early March. Most are upwards of 100 lbs or better by now. Going to a branding party tomorrow. Great vittles afterwards and all the Rocky Mnt. oysters you want. :)

Skip Towne
04-28-2006, 02:35 PM
You can always tell if it was a dog or coyote that killed your animal. Dogs chase them for sport and claw at the hindquarters until they bring it down. Then they go chase another one. With a coyote, there isn't anything left but bones and fur. They eat what they kill.

Dave Lane
04-28-2006, 02:41 PM
Well if it had been a pitbull I'd have to support the killing of it...

Dave

ROFL

BIG_DADDY
04-28-2006, 02:43 PM
Well if it had been a pitbull I'd have to support the killing of it...

Dave

ROFL

You're a clown.

Skip Towne
04-28-2006, 02:43 PM
Well if it had been a pitbull I'd have to support the killing of it...

Dave

ROFL
That and any dog that remotely resembles a pit bull.

MOhillbilly
04-28-2006, 02:48 PM
if my dog ran live stock id be pissed. if she ate one of my gamecocks id shoot her.

I damn nead did when she was young just for chasing a hen when she thought the coast was clear. She avoids them at all costs now.

Pitt Gorilla
04-28-2006, 02:49 PM
I just wish one of these PETA ****s would throw some blood on me after having chicken dinner at KFC.Why would you want blood thrown on you? That doesn't make any sense.

MOhillbilly
04-28-2006, 02:51 PM
Why would you want blood thrown on you? That doesn't make any sense.

hes got a vampire fetish. Remember the pics dude posted where hes da debil and lil momma is a vampire? uh huh.

BIG_DADDY
04-28-2006, 02:55 PM
Why would you want blood thrown on you? That doesn't make any sense.

It would give me the excuse I needed to do what I have always wanted to do to those stupid ****s.

BIG_DADDY
04-28-2006, 02:58 PM
hes got a vampire fetish. Remember the pics dude posted where hes da debil and lil momma is a vampire? uh huh.
ROFL

Dave Lane
04-28-2006, 03:11 PM
That and any dog that remotely resembles a pit bull.


That goes without saying. I guess BD agrees to a Rot is kinda like a PB

Dave

sedated
04-28-2006, 03:55 PM
It's funny (not funny) that PETA would value the live of an animal over the life of a human. Aren't humans animals too?

I'd like to see a few crazies get slaughtered trying to stop a predator eat it's prey in the wild.