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Rain Man
04-28-2006, 05:59 PM
I'm reading a book right now, and it's pretty good. However, it's a bit of a semi-non-fiction narrative, and the author is an editor for a major magazine who grew up in New York City in what appears to be a wealthy family. He went to an Ivy League school and his father is a specialized attorney, and when he mentions other family members, they tend to be Ivy Leaguers as well.

Setting aside for the moment my disdain of books written by people with connections to the publishing industry, I find that I moderately dislike the author of this book, and it has nothing to do with his writing style. In fact, the book itself is pretty good. It just annoys me to read about a guy who started life out on the sixth rung of the ladder of success, with all sorts of advantages that are not acknowledged even in passing, but are instead implied to be "middle class". Even if the guy is a hard-working, nice guy, I find that I've got a chip on my shoulder about people in this situation.

I feel like I'm running a marathon in life, and as I pass each mile marker, I see new people joining the race partway through, wearing fancy sneakers and with butlers carrying their water for them, while I'm all sweaty and tired before I even get to their starting point. And then I realize that when I started my marathon, there were probably some sweaty and tired people who had already run ten miles to get to the point where I started, and I never paid attention to them or thought about where they had started in life, just like these others never think about me.

My sister and I are the first in my family to go to college, and we're more or less the only people in my entire extended family to do so. I was kind of clueless about doing anything that wasn't more or less manual labor, and it took me several years to develop the level of polish one needs to succeed in my current world, and some would certainly argue that I'm still not there. When I moved to Denver, my first job was at a company where everyone was the child of rich people - and when I say rich, I mean RICH, sons of CEOs and mutual fund heads and semi-famous people - and it annoyed me that they were so polished and smooth, and that they moved so easily in these worlds that I was sprinting to learn, all sweaty and stuff.

And seeing that, and reading this book, makes me think more about the people who've come a lot farther than me. Yeah, I've been stepping up the "social scale" (whatever that's worth) to an altitude that seems high to me, and alien to my upbringing, but I also had two parents who have a work ethic, and who valued education even if they couldn't afford it themselves, and who did what they could to support me, even if an actual helping hand and role model was sometimes difficult to come by. More and more, I think about the people who grew up on an Indian reservation where work is scarce, or in a house with an alcoholic, or some other bad situation, and it really makes me realize how far some people have come, even if they aren't necessarily rich or successful or polished. And they'll never get the respect they deserve, because they're still not rich or successful or polished, while the rich ones will continue to be featured on the social page of the newspaper. It's kind of a shame.

Anyway, that's what I'm thinking about on a Friday night, and I hope I start liking the author of this book a little more. I feel bad for disliking him because of the standing of his birth, because that doesn't seem right. It seems just as bad as disliking someone because they grew up poor and rough-hewn.

Anyone else tend to have this internal conflict?

JBucc
04-28-2006, 06:00 PM
absolutely

Donger
04-28-2006, 06:01 PM
No, not me. I love everyone.

bogie
04-28-2006, 06:25 PM
As I get older, I find myself feeling this way. I often judge people of great success more harshly. I see someone in a nice car and I wonder if Daddy got it for them. I went home over Easter and got in a heated conversation with my father about the guy who owns Bass Pro. My Dad is convinced he robbed and stole his way to the top. My Dad actually compared him to Hitler. I don't remember the reason he compared him to Hitler (I was drinking) I just remember saying "you're actually comparing this guy to Hitler?" I fear as I get older, I'm going to get more angry at people of wealth.

nychief
04-28-2006, 06:33 PM
that is america.

stevieray
04-28-2006, 06:34 PM
You can't find yourself in someone else.

Hard life lesson to learn, especially with today's media.

You might be just going through that forty something where am I going to be financially later in life "thing".

Skip Towne
04-28-2006, 06:34 PM
Like Billy Martin said of George Steinbrenner " He was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple".

bogie
04-28-2006, 06:41 PM
Like Billy Martin said of George Steinbrenner " He was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple".


:clap:

58-4ever
04-28-2006, 06:51 PM
Success is so much sweeter when you start from scratch. Overcoming obstacles builds character. On a side note (not to make this thread darker than it already is): Oft-troubled Steve Howe died at the age of 48 today in a car crash. I guess all that cocaine didn't get him after all. It was a ****ing car crash.

Psyko Tek
04-28-2006, 07:01 PM
my problem isn't about the silver spoon people,
I grew up working my ass off and understand the value of education,
I screwed up college but did get an associates degree,
parlayed that into a decent, but unsteady living

now, my step daughter is flunking out( bright kid but lazy and wants to be cool, why is dumb cool?) of highschool, thinking she can make a living at Taco Bell if she drops out.

where can I get a big enough Clue by 4 to keep this idiot from screwing up her whole life ?


sorry just ranting

Rain Man
04-28-2006, 07:05 PM
Like Billy Martin said of George Steinbrenner " He was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple".

That is an excellent quote.

Rain Man
04-28-2006, 07:07 PM
where can I get a big enough Clue by 4 to keep this idiot from screwing up her whole life ?




Yeah, that would be frustrating, I bet.

I grew up in a college town, and of the professor's kids, it seemed like half were very high academic achievers who were really motivated, and half were low-energy slackers who were poor students and had no ambition whatsoever. I always wondered how exasperating that must be to be a Ph.D. professor and have your kid be a slacker.

stevieray
04-28-2006, 07:11 PM
Yeah, that would be frustrating, I bet.

I grew up in a college town, and of the professor's kids, it seemed like half were very high academic achievers who were really motivated, and half were low-energy slackers who were poor students and had no ambition whatsoever. I always wondered how exasperating that must be to be a Ph.D. professor and have your kid be a slacker.

I wonder if people that go on Jerry Springer ask their parents to watch.

bogie
04-28-2006, 07:22 PM
I wonder if people that go on Jerry Springer ask their parents to watch.

Unfortunately, I suspect that some do.

FAX
04-28-2006, 07:29 PM
I've never felt the chip I think you're referring to, Mr. Rain Man.

I've never viewed people as being "better" or "worse" based on their social status or income. Any judgements I make are usually predicated on a person's intelligence and goodness. I've known a lot of very, very interesting people who lacked possessions. And, many of the more affluent I know hold little interest for me.

It is the "heart" of the person that defines them.

FAX

cdcox
04-28-2006, 07:31 PM
This is exactly why I hated John Elway even back when he was at Stanford playing for his freaking dad.

bogie
04-28-2006, 07:35 PM
FAX,
If I may be so bold, what do you do for a living?

Skip Towne
04-28-2006, 07:38 PM
This is exactly why I hated John Elway even back when he was at Stanford playing for his freaking dad.
I hated him for subverting the draft........and about 200 other things.

FAX
04-28-2006, 07:41 PM
FAX,
If I may be so bold, what do you do for a living?

I do two things, Mr. bogie.

I sold an internet business some years back and am currently working on a marketing technology startup. That company provides my primary source of income. I also dabble in the music industry.

FAX

Rain Man
04-28-2006, 07:42 PM
I do two things, Mr. bogie.

I sold an internet business some years back and am currently working on a marketing technology startup. That company provides my primary source of income. I also dabble in the music industry.

FAX


Sounds to me like you may need some market research.


Oh. Sorry about that. It's just a knee-jerk reaction on my part whenever I hear about someone's job.

bogie
04-28-2006, 07:45 PM
I do two things, Mr. bogie.

I sold an internet business some years back and am currently working on a marketing technology startup. That company provides my primary source of income. I also dabble in the music industry.

FAX

Are you a song writer?

FAX
04-28-2006, 07:47 PM
Sounds to me like you may need some market research.


Oh. Sorry about that. It's just a knee-jerk reaction on my part whenever I hear about someone's job.

We will, Mr. Rain Man. At some point fairly soon.

Actually, your idea you are referring to is something that had already crossed my mind.

How did you vote on the FAX vs. DOGPISS deal, by the way?

FAX

FAX
04-28-2006, 07:49 PM
Are you a song writer?

Yes, Mr. bogie. Of a sort.

Without going into too much detail, I was affiliated with the music industry in LA for many years. Then, when I moved here, I became involved in other things. Now, I am writing and enjoying it a great deal.

Someday, I'll post some songs for you guys to critique.

FAX

bogie
04-28-2006, 07:53 PM
I'll stop wrecking Rain Mans thread...but I would like to see samples of your songs. One last question, are you in Nashville?

Nzoner
04-28-2006, 08:00 PM
Success is so much sweeter when you start from scratch.

I agree,my mom worked two jobs and still my lil bro and I had to stand in the high school lunch line with the free lunch pass.At this point in our lives I'd consider us both successful(I've owned a business for 16 years and he's in the medical field with the military) but never forgetting what it was like back then.

Personally,I'm still not what I would consider a well educated man but I wanted something better and went after it.Being in sales my classroom was truly the streets and going door to door.

My point is I really don't have a chip on my shoulder for those who are better off unless they spout off to me about it or act like they're better than me.Then I have absolutely no problem telling them where they can stick their silver spoon.

seclark
04-28-2006, 08:13 PM
good posts on this thread. for a bunch of jerkoffs that have had such better lives than me.
sec

ENDelt260
04-28-2006, 08:21 PM
People always think sec's mom tied that pork chop around his neck so the neighbor's bulldog would play with him... truth is, she was hoping the thing would rip his neck out.

seclark
04-28-2006, 08:23 PM
People always think sec's mom tied that pork chop around his neck so the neighbor's bulldog would play with him... truth is, she was hoping the thing would rip his neck out.
it was our bulldog.
sec

ENDelt260
04-28-2006, 08:25 PM
You could afford your own bulldog? Cry me a f*cking river.

seclark
04-28-2006, 08:29 PM
found him along side the road. he didn't eat much, so mom said we could keep him.
sec

Skip Towne
04-28-2006, 08:30 PM
Would it surprise anyone to learn that FAX will be 52 years old on his next birthday? It did me.

Halfcan
04-28-2006, 09:09 PM
I have been working since I was probably about 7 years old. It would be nice if I got a break once in awhile-but that will be when I am dead.

ENDelt260
04-28-2006, 09:14 PM
found him along side the road. he didn't eat much, so mom said we could keep him.
sec
Just have an answer for everything, don't ya?

greg63
04-28-2006, 09:17 PM
I find that I cannot seriously respond to this thread without a poll in which a Gaz option can be utilized.

greg63
04-28-2006, 09:19 PM
I have been working since I was probably about 7 years old. It would be nice if I got a break once in awhile-but that will be when I am dead.

That's how I feel about sleep.