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Frankie
05-02-2006, 12:59 AM
.... or Justice (we have tons of OL prospects and don't need another) or Holmes (though I think he'll have the better of the two careers when compared to Jackson) or Williams. The list of top prospects that I had ranked Justice as the 10th best player in the draft. Based on that I couldn't believe when he dropped like he did. I thought now we HAVE TO spend our 2nd on him for future fix. Then I discovered the reason for his drop. Arrests and other off-field stupidity. IOW, character problems. No thanks. I'm pretty pumped about Hali and all the "character" stuff that I read about him. I think he is talented (if not a little raw) and combined with his (alleged) strength of character we have a great first rounder.

Moooo
05-02-2006, 01:10 AM
The list of top prospects that I had ranked Justice as the 10th best player in the draft. Based on that I couldn't believe when he dropped like he did. I thought now we HAVE TO spend our 2nd on him for future fix. Then I discovered the reason for his drop. Arrests and other off-field stupidity. IOW, character problems. No thanks. I'm pretty pumped about Hali and all the "character" stuff that I read about him. I think he is talented (if not a little raw) and combined with his (alleged) strength of character we have a great first rounder.

I think every team needs some class acts and some bad boys. Although I'm not for someone starting a fight at a nightclub, and I'd flat out try and hurt the guy I see assault his wife, I think sometimes that dirty attitude these people bring to a team rubs off on other players and makes them more intense. There's no evidence or justification for it, but I just think that. :-)

Moooo

Frankie
05-02-2006, 01:20 AM
I think every team needs some class acts and some bad boys.
No offence, Moooo. But how old are you? Old enough to remember Marty's final couple of years? My definition of "bad boys" footballwise is on-field badass football players. Not drug dealers, drunk drivers or night club thugs. The Raiders are welcome to them. My Chiefs (hopefully) will thrive with the likes of Tamba Hali.

Cochise
10-02-2006, 09:57 AM
oopsie

HC_Chief
10-02-2006, 09:59 AM
oopsie

DOH!

:D

jidar
10-02-2006, 10:00 AM
hahhaha nice.

Halfcan
10-02-2006, 10:02 AM
Hali is a bust. He only got 1 1/2 sacks yesterday-the dude sucks.

Stinger
10-02-2006, 10:03 AM
Damnit Carl!!!!!! :cuss:








:D
ROFL ROFL

Halfcan
10-02-2006, 10:03 AM
DJ is a bust too only 9 tackles and 1 1/2 sacks. We allowed 90 plus yards passing-truely unacceptable.

Brock
10-02-2006, 10:05 AM
Serving up a big bowl of dumb.

Claynus
10-02-2006, 10:06 AM
Hali is getting shafted. He had a forced fumble yesterday on his first sack.

Kerberos
10-02-2006, 10:06 AM
Funny how people can call out someone BEFORE they even get to play.

IMO he has played better than the #1 pick that Houston has playing. I would just as soon have Tamba than Super Mario.

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Cochise
10-02-2006, 10:08 AM
You don't spend a first round pick on a guy who'll only play on third down...

Hate to do it but... :doh!:

Cochise
10-02-2006, 10:10 AM
Now when Eric Hicks is still starting this year everyone will wonder why this pick was bad.....

Another gem from one of the planet's most knowledgable...

ChiefaRoo
10-02-2006, 10:12 AM
If you like Hali fine.

But this was 10 picks too high to take this dude.

My god you are a football retard aren't you?

WilliamTheIrish
10-02-2006, 10:14 AM
Another gem from one of the planet's most knowledgable...

Originally Posted by Mecca
Now when Eric Hicks is still starting this year everyone will wonder why this pick was bad.....

There must have a been a 3rd team USC player available at the position...

Cochise
10-02-2006, 10:17 AM
I bookmarked this thread the day of the draft, and I wanted to wait to bump this for a little while since it's still early in the season, but I couldn't resist any longer. He's clearly an upgrade at the position.

Inspector
10-02-2006, 10:25 AM
I wondered if this was going to pop up again.

Nice move.

Mr. Banyon - still feel the same?

Iowanian
10-02-2006, 10:29 AM
Ahhahhahahaha.

Banyon, Mecca and to some extent Raush put their units in a cider press on this thread.

priceless.

Brock
10-02-2006, 10:38 AM
Reaching for a defensive lineman with a limited football background... sounds like Junior Siavii to me.

This is so typical of Peterson, reaching for a guy who has "raw potential".

I hate this pick

Along with the moronic babble we've come to expect from 88.

HemiEd
10-02-2006, 10:42 AM
I am no draft expert like some, but I like the pick even though its not a sexy one.

Heh, if only Mecca would have been doing the picking! :D

CupidStunt
10-02-2006, 10:44 AM
That "raw potential", "limted background in football", "sounds like Junior Siavii" analysis is the biggest horseshit I've read all day - and there's been a lot.

Raw potential? The kid was drafted because he produces. If anything, he lacked potential, but you knew what you'd get.

banyon
10-02-2006, 10:53 AM
oopsie

Hey! I already recanted this.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=144097&highlight=Tamba+Hali

Pitt Gorilla
10-02-2006, 10:53 AM
Great thread. :thumb:

Brock
10-02-2006, 10:55 AM
Hey! I already recanted this.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=144097&highlight=Tamba+Hali

I still think it was a bit of a reach,

Uh...no. You still need a severe beatdown.

Coach
10-02-2006, 10:55 AM
LMAO

Raiderhader
10-02-2006, 10:58 AM
Great thread. :thumb:



Destined to be a classic.

Halfcan
10-02-2006, 11:00 AM
Heh, if only Mecca would have been doing the picking! :D

He would have picked a thug with a rap sheet.

Cochise
10-02-2006, 11:03 AM
Hey! I already recanted this.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=144097&highlight=Tamba+Hali

We all saw your preemptive strike on this, but you posted the knee-jerk thread so you still get the requisite smackdown . :LOL:

Bowser
10-02-2006, 11:12 AM
LMAO

Calcountry
10-02-2006, 11:13 AM
There must have a been a 3rd team USC player available at the position...Where is Mecca? I need to remind him that Palmer is Brady's bitch.

ChiefsCountry
10-02-2006, 11:15 AM
All I know is the three Chiefs picks I predicted have became darn good players - DJ, Colquitt, and Hali.

Stinger
10-02-2006, 11:23 AM
Hey! I already recanted this.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=144097&highlight=Tamba+Hali

From that thread

Sorry for misquoting you this is how he graded out on my scouting

D- against the run too small bad technique
D for speed
C for agility needs to work on firing off the ball
C work ethic needs to bulk up in the weightroom lack of bulk maybe due to offseason character issues. \

Overall projection 4th round patriots project pick


whoops .... LMAOLMAO

Frankie
10-02-2006, 11:37 AM
oopsie
LMAO Rep.

Demonpenz
10-02-2006, 11:43 AM
From that thread




whoops .... LMAOLMAO


Damn that was a good one. I even made up the quote from a fake website Look at this comment.........

wow from scoutsdominate.com "What a reach by the chiefs, no wonder they haven't won a playoff game in 20 years"

Frankie
10-02-2006, 11:43 AM
My god you are a football retard aren't you?
In all fairness, non of us could be sure that Tamba would be this good. It's banyon's radical opiniated overreaction in his thread that we are reacting against. Much like yours in your post.

Demonpenz
10-02-2006, 11:44 AM
holy shit if anyone took that for me being serious has issues. I was trying to reel people in for his off the field issues because they ran that article 10 times about what a great guy he is off the field.

Hound333
10-02-2006, 11:47 AM
I honestly didn't think he would start this year. I was one of those that wondered if we had reached again like we did on Junior. I am glad I was wrong. Maybe I will have to start trusting our picks again instead of immediately putting them into the bust column.

Demonpenz
10-02-2006, 11:47 AM
i will gladly eat any and all crow though. If you keep hustling good things will happen.

NJ Chief Fan
10-02-2006, 11:57 AM
Hali Boma Ye Hali Boma Ye Hali Boma Ye Hali Boma Ye Hali Boma Ye Hali Boma Ye Hali Boma Ye Hali Boma Ye Hali Boma Ye Hali Boma Ye

banyon
10-02-2006, 12:21 PM
We all saw your preemptive strike on this, but you posted the knee-jerk thread so you still get the requisite smackdown . :LOL:

Fine. Have your fun. :thumb:

I'm glad I was wrong.

boogblaster
10-02-2006, 12:26 PM
Hell hes only played 3 NFL games I think hes doing fine....

Ari Chi3fs
10-02-2006, 12:26 PM
Banyon Sucks!!! Cut him from Chiefsplanet!

CHENZ A!
10-02-2006, 12:30 PM
I like the way he stops the run, good player.

If you guys haven't read Posnanski's article today, you should, it's about Tamba's mom who made her first trip to Arrowhead yesterday.

Kerberos
10-02-2006, 12:40 PM
Banyon Sucks!!! Cut him from Chiefsplanet!


Would that be anything like sending him to Banned Camp?

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headsnap
10-02-2006, 01:21 PM
Would that be anything like sending him to Banned Camp?

.
"this one year, at Banned Camp, Gunther Fan stuck a flute up his..."

Bwana
10-02-2006, 01:21 PM
*SNICKER*

KC-TBB
10-02-2006, 01:24 PM
So, I SEE, stuff you say can be brought back to make you look like an ASS MONTHS later! COOL!

ChiTown
10-02-2006, 01:34 PM
I still don't understand how casual fans seem to "know" when players should be selected.

Best post on this entire thread, and 100% true!

Mojo Rising
10-02-2006, 05:46 PM
I liked the Hali pick at the time and still do. In the Orange Bowl, before the combine, I thought he was the defensive playmaker the Chiefs needed but wouldn't get.

This turned out much like DJ who Whitlock claimed in an article the prior year in Dec when we won a meaningless game that it would cost us the defensive playmaker we needed, Texas' Derrick Johnson.

That being said. He went against Kwame Harris who is the worse RT in the league. Harris is horrible. Hali still needs to work on his game against some of the better RT's in the game.

Did anyone else notice a lot of un-called holding calls on SF? I thought there should have had more holding calls vs. the SF OL.

Calcountry
10-02-2006, 05:48 PM
So, I SEE, stuff you say can be brought back to make you look like an ASS MONTHS later! COOL!Yes, so let this be a lesson to you n00b, DON'T SAY STUPID SHIT ON THIS BOARD!

|Zach|
10-02-2006, 05:55 PM
I feel great about today.

I really do believe it is a fun time to be a fan of this team.
I agree with me still. The past me.

http://www.moviebazaar.de/filmfut1.jpg

Adept Havelock
10-02-2006, 06:11 PM
If you keep hustling good things will happen.

:hmmm:

Cochise
04-27-2007, 09:27 AM
Bump for a draft meltdown appetizer. :drool:

Mecca
04-27-2007, 09:29 AM
LOL.......I still think we could have got an extra pick...

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2007, 09:29 AM
Bump for a draft meltdown appetizer. :drool:

Great find.

I expect much of the same tomorrow, regardless of who we pick......

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2007, 09:29 AM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3181465#post3181465

Mecca
04-27-2007, 09:30 AM
Great find.

I expect much of the same tomorrow, regardless of who we pick......

If it's Ross or Staley I will meltdown.........I warn you now.

Claynus
04-27-2007, 09:32 AM
You don't spend a first round pick on a guy who'll only play on third down...

Haha.

JBucc
04-27-2007, 09:32 AM
Lucky for me my initial reaction to Tamba was in the chat room.

Claynus
04-27-2007, 09:33 AM
Now when Eric Hicks is still starting this year everyone will wonder why this pick was bad.....

FATALITY!

Mecca
04-27-2007, 09:35 AM
I was still in DV mode where the old guys started no matter what........

Messier
04-27-2007, 09:38 AM
Trading down is not easy. You need another team that wants a player at that spot badly enough to move up. Besides I remember hearing that the Chiefs knew a team a few behind them wanted Hali.

Frosty
04-27-2007, 09:43 AM
Trading down is not easy. You need another team that wants a player at that spot badly enough to move up. Besides I remember hearing that the Chiefs knew a team a few behind them wanted Hali.

It was the Giants, supposedly.

the Talking Can
04-27-2007, 09:54 AM
before I read the thread,my thoughts:

Hali is everything Siavi isn't....produced at a big school at a big conference, and his work ethic is unqestioned....he has come from circumstances that make him humble and hungry....he is exactly the type of guy Herm told us he'd draft...

did we reach a little? yeah...

did we fill a position of need? yeah...

how good will he be? don't know...

I'm happy with this pick...he isn't a project and we didn't draft for "potential"....

no reason to be that upset, imho

I AM SO ****ING SMART

I LOVE MYSELF

the Talking Can
04-27-2007, 09:57 AM
40 doesn't mean shit..no runs a 40 during a football game...believe your eyes, not a workout in shorts

that's what Edwards said he would do...I give him credit for being consistent, we'll see how it works out...I'm excited

I SPEAK AND PEOPLE LISTEN

HolmeZz
04-27-2007, 10:10 AM
There's no guarantee he would've been there in 10 picks. This was a good move. I know we're all used to lambasting Carl lots of times, but this isn't one of them.

In Tamba I Trust.

FreznoChief
04-27-2007, 10:46 AM
This thread is hilarious! It's so weird to see the mind set that so many fans had last year about Hali. Aren't we all glad that we chose Hali and not Lawson? I am. Tamba wants to play the game and is only going to get better and better. I don't know who we choose this draft, but Herm did a good job in year one, IMO...

blackhawk
04-27-2007, 11:27 AM
who made that pick? was it herm or carl outstanding pick!

stlchiefs
04-27-2007, 11:30 AM
who made that pick? was it herm or carl outstanding pick!

So are we trading LJ or what?

banyon
04-27-2007, 11:42 AM
LOL, my own personal "Karl Rove...two weeks" thread.

Thanks, Cochise.

Frosty
04-27-2007, 11:49 AM
LOL, my own personal "Karl Rove...two weeks" thread.

Thanks, Cochise.

Are you going to flip out again this year? It was pretty entertaining.

Stinger
04-27-2007, 11:51 AM
You should have been around durring the LJ pick, that was some high quality entertainment.

ROFL ROFL

Cochise
04-27-2007, 11:52 AM
LOL, my own personal "Karl Rove...two weeks" thread.

Thanks, Cochise.

Old meltdowns never die, they just get bookmarked.

banyon
04-27-2007, 11:53 AM
Are you going to flip out again this year? It was pretty entertaining.

Depends on Carl I guess. :D

the Talking Can
04-27-2007, 12:17 PM
You should have been around durring the LJ pick, that was some high quality entertainment.

ROFL ROFL

I think a piece of Logical's soul left his body that day.

blackhawk
04-27-2007, 12:21 PM
So are we trading LJ or what?
for a 1&2 this year &1 next year! yes send his a$$ packing! it a team sport!

Ultra Peanut
04-30-2007, 01:08 PM
Now when Eric Hicks is still starting this year everyone will wonder why this pick was bad.....LMAO

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-06-2008, 09:28 AM
Fucking hilarious.

Sure-Oz
10-06-2008, 09:35 AM
We need to put him back at his other position...maybe he'll get 2 sacks...

I can't believe we couldn't even pressure their backup tackles

triple
10-06-2008, 09:35 AM
he's fine and has some potential on the left side. on the right side for whatever reason he's not very good.

DeezNutz
10-06-2008, 09:46 AM
I still don't understand how casual fans seem to "know" when players should be selected.

I usually would agree with this, but then I watched an NFL staff try to run the option in a regular-season game, during the first series of the fucking game.

Bowser
10-06-2008, 09:49 AM
f***ing hilarious.

Money bump.

beach tribe
10-06-2008, 10:26 AM
he's fine and has some potential on the left side. on the right side for whatever reason he's not very good.

He's a 3rd, and long LE. He gets pushed around in the run game. We need a legit RE, and Turk is our LE. Hali is a bust. Unless you consider his role of third DE worth a 1st rounder.

BigChiefFan
10-06-2008, 10:29 AM
Great plan for Jared Allen's replacement, if you don't like sacks or run-stopping, that is.

Micjones
10-06-2008, 10:31 AM
He's a 3rd, and long LE. He gets pushed around in the run game. We need a legit RE, and Turk is our LE. Hali is a bust. Unless you consider his role of third DE worth a 1st rounder.

Ouch.

I struggle with calling him a "bust", but when you look at it that way...

the Talking Can
10-06-2008, 10:36 AM
before I read the thread,my thoughts:

Hali is everything Siavi isn't....produced at a big school at a big conference, and his work ethic is unqestioned....he has come from circumstances that make him humble and hungry....he is exactly the type of guy Herm told us he'd draft...

did we reach a little? yeah...

did we fill a position of need? yeah...

how good will he be? don't know...

I'm happy with this pick...he isn't a project and we didn't draft for "potential"....

no reason to be that upset, imho

hmmm...suspiciously non-committal...as if i knew this thread would come back to haunt...ROFL

the Talking Can
10-06-2008, 10:37 AM
40 doesn't mean shit..no runs a 40 during a football game...believe your eyes, not a workout in shorts

that's what Edwards said he would do...I give him credit for being consistent, we'll see how it works out...I'm excited

ok, now I'm getting dumber....

the Talking Can
10-06-2008, 10:42 AM
imo, Hali is a bust

he is a joke against the run, on either side....and got his ass beat by a rookie nobody yesterday play after play after play....

he didn't even seem to give much of an effort, to me....

he's at best a rotational DE, on obvious passing downs...otherwise, he's worthless...

not what anyone expected for a 1st round pick

beach tribe
10-06-2008, 10:47 AM
Ouch.

I struggle with calling him a "bust", but when you look at it that way...

It hurts me too bro, but it is what it is.

Demonpenz
10-06-2008, 10:49 AM
he is hurt all the time too. He never seems to be 100%

shaneo69
10-06-2008, 10:57 AM
Where's Cochise?

I wanted Kiwanuka or Lawson. I don't think those guys have done any better.

Ultra Peanut
10-06-2008, 11:16 AM
hmmm...suspiciously non-committal...as if i knew this thread would come back to haunt...ROFLHaunt is a very strong word. He's not an LJ or Bowe, but he isn't a Sims, Freeman, or Siavii-level bust by any stretch, either.

Also, Eric fucking Hicks was a starter when this pick was made. Holy shit. Holy shit.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-06-2008, 11:23 AM
Haunt is a very strong word. He's not an LJ or Bowe, but he isn't a Sims, Freeman, or Siavii-level bust by any stretch, either.

Also, Eric fucking Hicks was a starter when this pick was made. Holy shit. Holy shit.

The sad thing is that Eric fucking Hicks has achieved more than Tamba Hali.

TrickyNicky
10-06-2008, 01:50 PM
My stupid thought of the day: Can he play MLB?

But seriously. Someone else said it looks like he's giving up a lot and I agree. I don't know how hurt he is, but he'll come off the snap and get pushed backwards on passing downs. He's not a great speed guy and he's not big enough to overpower LT's. The only area that he was ever good at was pursuit when the RB would break a 20 yarder.

RustShack
10-06-2008, 01:54 PM
He should be our LE and we should just let Johnston be our RE for the rest of the year. Let McBride sub in at DE and DT.

Phobia
10-06-2008, 02:39 PM
Does anybody else remember the sweep play yesterday on which he stunted to the inside and blocked the entire left side of our defensive line out of pursuit. It was absolutely epic. As if abandoning your contain responsibility wasn't enough but you had to take yourself and two other linemen out at the same time.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 10:20 PM
Where's Cochise?

I wanted Kiwanuka or Lawson. I don't think those guys have done any better.

Kiwanuka hasn't been bad actually, Lawson tore his ACL last year.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 10:24 PM
Hali was the 2nd best DE in this drafted and was thought to go anywhere from 10 to 25 before the combine. He's not a reach. A reach would be what Buffalo did, selecting a fringe first rounder in Donte Whitner with the 8th overall pick.

How things change, Donte Whitner is one of the best players from this draft now...

Mecca
10-06-2008, 10:36 PM
When you look back at this draft....some of the picks people were iffy about are the best picks...

Whitner was considered a reach he's one of the best players, people were worried about Cromartie likewise with him.

I guess the people who flipped out had a right to because well this didn't work out.

Demonpenz
10-06-2008, 10:38 PM
Originally Posted by Demonpenz
Sorry for misquoting you this is how he graded out on my scouting

D- against the run too small bad technique
D for speed
C for agility needs to work on firing off the ball
C work ethic needs to bulk up in the weightroom lack of bulk maybe due to offseason character issues. \

Overall projection 4th round patriots project pick

Mecca
10-06-2008, 10:39 PM
The best player taken after Hali is Davin Joseph, I'm not a fan of taking guards in the 1st round but we'd be better off.

Basileus777
10-06-2008, 11:56 PM
Where's Cochise?

I wanted Kiwanuka or Lawson. I don't think those guys have done any better.

Kiwi has been better, but Lawson is probably a bust.

Basileus777
10-06-2008, 11:58 PM
The best player taken after Hali is Davin Joseph, I'm not a fan of taking guards in the 1st round but we'd be better off.

Johnathan Joseph and Santonio Holmes would have been better picks too.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-07-2008, 07:07 AM
This defense would be a lot further along with Demeco Ryans or Thomas Howard.

CrazyHorse
10-07-2008, 07:17 AM
Hindsight is 20/20

Demonpenz
10-07-2008, 08:25 AM
Hindsight is 20/20

While true. People with zero actual scouting experience were calling hali what he was before we drafted him. Although mecca is goes negative about most things his feelings on this one correct. Maxed out motor guy that was only going to get marginally better. It's nice hali plays and all, but to be a great team you have to draft some impact players.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-07-2008, 09:17 AM
Hindsight is 20/20

For teams who can't draft worth a shit.

Anyong Bluth
10-07-2008, 09:38 AM
Kiwi has been better, but Lawson is probably a bust.


While Kiwi has made great strides, and lucky enough to learn from 2 of the best in the business, he's been EXTREMELY streaky, and like people that bitch about JA getting his sacks in bunches, he's the same way.

I'm fine with that, but others want a steadier sustained results.

IMO, it comes down to the fact that Hali is has been moved out of his more natural position. Sometimes it is amazing how we have personnel that can look so shitty for us, we let him walk or he signs elsewhere and actually seems to do well b/c he's targeted to sign b/c they see where he could be valuable in their scheme instead of trying to be like the Chiefs- round hole, square peg. Watching them do this with numerous guys is like witnessing Slingblade take the Wonderlic

WebGem
12-02-2010, 01:59 PM
For teams who can't draft worth a shit.

Example?

Chocolate Hog
12-02-2010, 02:11 PM
Gm's who make bad picks get fired can we please start banning the arm chair Gm's who wiff on players?

Norman Einstein
12-02-2010, 02:17 PM
Gm's who make bad picks get fired can we please start banning the arm chair Gm's who wiff on players?

Why in the world would you drag up this shit again?

Nothing to see here - move on, move on.

the Talking Can
12-02-2010, 02:18 PM
good post. my thoughts mirror TC's..the mitigating factor could be Krumrie.

Two motor guys on the ends? I like it.

you used to love me [cue country music]....LMAO

BigMeatballDave
12-02-2010, 02:19 PM
This defense would be a lot further along with Demeco Ryans or Thomas Howard.Yeah, not really...

BigMeatballDave
12-02-2010, 02:22 PM
The best player taken after Hali is Davin Joseph, I'm not a fan of taking guards in the 1st round but we'd be better off.Yeah, what a career this guy is having...http://www.nfl.com/players/davinjoseph/profile?id=JOS174977

mikey23545
12-02-2010, 02:26 PM
imo, Hali is a bust

he is a joke against the run, on either side....and got his ass beat by a rookie nobody yesterday play after play after play....

he didn't even seem to give much of an effort, to me....

he's at best a rotational DE, on obvious passing downs...otherwise, he's worthless...

not what anyone expected for a 1st round pick

The sad thing is that Eric ****ing Hicks has achieved more than Tamba Hali.

The best player taken after Hali is Davin Joseph, I'm not a fan of taking guards in the 1st round but we'd be better off.

Hindsight is 20/20

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Pestilence
12-02-2010, 02:28 PM
Yeah, not really...

Huh? You wouldn't want Demeco Ryans on this team?

Saul Good
12-02-2010, 02:33 PM
Huh? You wouldn't want Demeco Ryans on this team?

He would add depth to our whirlpool and ice tub.

DaKCMan AP
12-02-2010, 02:34 PM
We need help at DE. Hali was the #2 DE on the Chiefs draft board. I'm not upset by the pick at all.

Awesome.

BigMeatballDave
12-02-2010, 02:35 PM
Huh? You wouldn't want Demeco Ryans on this team?Not in lieu of Hali.

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2010, 02:55 PM
He would add depth to our whirlpool and ice tub.

Bullshit.

The guys never missed a game until this season.

He had 54 tackles and a sack through six games this season.

Doesn't is hurt to continually talk out of your ass?

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2010, 02:57 PM
Not in lieu of Hali.

Oh, please.

Hali's been a solid player this year for the Chiefs but he took a step back in both 2007 and 2008. He played better in 2009 and has grown into the position but Ryans is a Pro Bowler that routinely registers more than 110 tackles per year and had 155 his rookie year.

Ryans and DJ in the middle would have been devastatingly awesome.

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2010, 02:59 PM
Oh, please.

Hali's been a solid player this year for the Chiefs but he took a step back in both 2007 and 2008. He played better in 2009 and has grown into the position but Ryans is a Pro Bowler that routinely registers more than 110 tackles per year and had 155 his rookie year.

Ryans and DJ in the middle would have been devastatingly awesome.

How many Texans games do you watch?

Just curious...

Because who cares about tackling numbers? The Texans have been a shit defense every year they've existed.

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2010, 03:02 PM
How many Texans games do you watch?

Just curious...

Because who cares about tackling numbers? The Texans have been a shit defense every year they've existed.

And until this year, the Chiefs haven't been?

DeMeco Ryans is an absolute beast of a linebacker, regardless of the play around him. He's been consistent since his rookie year as well.

And the Texans defense isn't poor due to a lack of talent. That coaching staff in general sucks ass.

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2010, 03:07 PM
so you'd rather have DeMeco over Hali?

and if so...

Is it really that much of a difference at this point?

TheGuardian
12-02-2010, 03:08 PM
Both of you guys are right.

Ryans is a really good player. Along with DJ inside that'd be scary.

But he has played on shit defenses. Not really his fault. It's like saying our pass rush sucks because of Tamba.

Tamba and Ryan are two different players. If we get Tamba some helps so that he's literally not being triple teamed half the time next season he might end up being the best outside 3-4 backer in the NFL.

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2010, 03:13 PM
so you'd rather have DeMeco over Hali?

and if so...

Is it really that much of a difference at this point?

That's pretty much revisionist history and is a tough call.

If the Chiefs had a healthy Ryans and DJ inside all of these years, I'd imagine they have been much tougher against the run. Hali had down years in 2007 & 2008, so I'd imagine the defense those years would have been improved.

If the Chiefs had Ryans and DJ in 2009, the Chiefs wouldn't have traded for Vrabel but they'd be hurting even worse than they are now at the outside linebacking position, which probably would have forced them to use a #1 or #2 on a pass rushing OLB (at least one) in 2009 & 2010.

It's all speculation but the Chiefs could have Orapko/Cushing/Matthews, Ryans, DJ and another OLB instead of Hali/DJ/Belcher/Vrabel.

The bottom line is that Ryans has been as productive or more productive as Hali since the 2006 draft so if Ryans had been the choice, the Chiefs wouldn't be in a worse position than they are now, which basically means they need an upgrade at the linebacking position.

Again, it's all speculation.

Saul Good
12-02-2010, 03:16 PM
Bullshit.

The guys never missed a game until this season.

He had 54 tackles and a sack through six games this season.

Doesn't is hurt to continually talk out of your ass?

He's an excellent player, but I wouldn't trade him for Hali straight up.

BigMeatballDave
12-02-2010, 03:17 PM
Oh, please.

Hali's been a solid player this year for the Chiefs but he took a step back in both 2007 and 2008. He played better in 2009 and has grown into the position but Ryans is a Pro Bowler that routinely registers more than 110 tackles per year and had 155 his rookie year.

Ryans and DJ in the middle would have been devastatingly awesome.If I had to choose between him and Hali, I choose Hali.

Chieftain58
12-02-2010, 03:19 PM
Now I see how those threads can come back and bite you in the ass!

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2010, 03:20 PM
Again, it's all speculation.

Yeah...

That was ridiculous.

Uh...

If the Chiefs fired Herm, hired Rex, brought in Bart and drafted Sanchez we'd be the Jets!

crazycoffey
12-02-2010, 03:23 PM
where's the thread/posts about Hali never making the transition to OLB, ROFL....

ArrowheadHawk
12-02-2010, 03:23 PM
Cool thread. :thumb:

BigMeatballDave
12-02-2010, 03:23 PM
Belcher has 62 tackles, Ryans has 54.

Sfeihc
12-02-2010, 03:26 PM
Tamba and Ryan are two different players. If we get Tamba some helps so that he's literally not being triple teamed half the time next season he might end up being the best outside 3-4 backer in the NFL.

This. Back the **** up off of Tamba.

Jenson71
12-02-2010, 03:28 PM
Hali has done okay, but we still took him way too high.

TheGuardian
12-02-2010, 03:28 PM
Hali has done okay, but we still took him way too high.

:facepalm:

Pestilence
12-02-2010, 03:29 PM
Belcher has 62 tackles, Ryans has 54.

You do realize that Ryans is out for the season right?

Pestilence
12-02-2010, 03:31 PM
Ryans in 6 games had 54 tackles.

In those first 6 games.....Belcher had 26.

BigMeatballDave
12-02-2010, 03:38 PM
You do realize that Ryans is out for the season right?I saw that after I posted. :doh!:

Regardless, I wouldnt take him over Hali.

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2010, 03:41 PM
Belcher has 62 tackles, Ryans has 54.

Ryans only played in 6 games this year before ending up on IR.

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2010, 03:42 PM
I saw that after I posted. :doh!:

Regardless, I wouldnt take him over Hali.

No offense, but I don't think you know anything about DeMeco Ryans, which is evident by posting stats from this season only, when you weren't even aware he was out five games ago.

How about his rookie season, when he had 155 tackles?

BigMeatballDave
12-02-2010, 03:49 PM
No offense, but I don't think you know anything about DeMeco Ryans, which is evident by posting stats from this season only, when you weren't even aware he was out five games ago.

How about his rookie season, when he had 155 tackles?Obviously not. I just dont have the time to study other teams. I never said Ryans wasnt any good, I just would not take him over Hali.

Pitt Gorilla
12-02-2010, 04:06 PM
Hali was a good pick. Why all the hate?

beach tribe
12-02-2010, 04:13 PM
For teams who can't draft worth a shit.

Gholston

patteeu
12-02-2010, 04:15 PM
Hali was a good pick. Why all the hate?

Very old thread.

beach tribe
12-02-2010, 04:16 PM
And until this year, the Chiefs haven't been?

DeMeco Ryans is an absolute beast of a linebacker, regardless of the play around him. He's been consistent since his rookie year as well.

And the Texans defense isn't poor due to a lack of talent. That coaching staff in general sucks ass.

Coaching. Obviously.

DaFace
12-02-2010, 04:16 PM
See...this is why pruning old posts would suck.

Norman Einstein
12-02-2010, 04:17 PM
See...this is why pruning old posts would suck.

Nothing to see here... move along ... move along.

beach tribe
12-02-2010, 04:19 PM
where's the thread/posts about Hali never making the transition to OLB, ROFL....

Hell, Mecca said if he was hired as GM his first move would be to CUT Hali.\And dude has completely disappeared since we turned it around. If we 2-9 he'd be here telling us what a shitty coach, GM, QB, we have.

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2010, 04:19 PM
Hali was a good pick. Why all the hate?

If you read my initial comments on draft day 2006, I expected Hali to be a Pro Bowl defense player.

That has not happened.

Hali played well his rookie season, then followed those up with average seasons. Last year while learning a new position, his level of play began to ascend. This year, his fifth year in the league, has been his best season to date. Maybe not statistically, but most certainly it's been his most effective season.

Has he lived up to his first round selection?

baitism
12-02-2010, 04:20 PM
People who drag up old threads for no reason like this should be banned from posting for the length of time between the last post in that thread and the person's post who dug it up.

beach tribe
12-02-2010, 04:22 PM
People who drag up old threads for no reason like this should be banned from posting for the length of time between the last post in that thread and the person's post who dug it up.

BS. People who constantly bash others, and call them idiots for their opinions should be held accountable for their brilliance.

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2010, 04:28 PM
BS. People who constantly bash others, and call them idiots for their opinions should be held accountable for their brilliance.

And what about those of us who are correct?

:D

Actually, I thought Hali would have been a better player throughout his five year career than he's been. Does that mean I get a cookie?

:shake:

beach tribe
12-02-2010, 04:42 PM
And what about those of us who are correct?

:D

Actually, I thought Hali would have been a better player throughout his five year career than he's been. Does that mean I get a cookie?

:shake:
I have zero problem with anyone's opinion, but if people are getting ridiculed for theirs, then we should have accessible records like this to hold them accountable.
For the record, I was dead wrong about Hali. After seeing him, get owned repeatedly in the season that we set low bar for sacks in a season, I said that Hali would never be a legit threat, and that his only place he would be effective is coming off the left end. Everybody gets some right, and some wrong. No one is ever right or wrong all the time, and nobody knows what a players future will look like. GMs, and want to be GMs alike can only speculate off of the body of work that they have to go on, that's why it pisses me off so much to see the know it alls raking people across the coals for their opinions. It just makes them look stupid in the long run. It's not their opinions of the players, right or wrong that makes them look that way, it's the fact that they are too stupid to know that a fifth round pick may end up looking like a 1st, and a first may be out of the league in a few years. Even the best drafting teams have picks that you look back on, and say WTF were they thinking?

I mean, who would have ever thought that Matt Cassel would be making Mark Sanchez look like a chump right now?

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2010, 05:03 PM
I have zero problem with anyone's opinion, but if people are getting ridiculed for theirs, then we should have accessible records like this to hold them accountable.

Clearly, you DO have issue with people's opinions, as evidenced by your hate for Mecca and the constant "Gholston" in retort to Hamas.


For the record, I was dead wrong about Hali. After seeing him, get owned repeatedly in the season that we set low bar for sacks in a season, I said that Hali would never be a legit threat, and that his only place he would be effective is coming off the left end. Everybody gets some right, and some wrong.

No, you weren't. Hali was effective his first season playing opposite Allen. His second and third seasons were a disappointment. The move to outside linebacker has given his career new life but there is no evidence that indicates his career would have ascended had he stayed at DE in a 4-3 defense.

No one is ever right or wrong all the time, and nobody knows what a players future will look like. GMs, and want to be GMs alike can only speculate off of the body of work that they have to go on, that's why it pisses me off so much to see the know it alls raking people across the coals for their opinions.

This goes both ways. If someone is correct in their assement that a player will be infective, I rarely see any praise for that evaluation.

Conversely, if a player is better or meets expectations, those who questioned the player is the one "raked" over the coals.

It's a double standard.


It just makes them look stupid in the long run.

No, it doesn't. It makes them wrong. There are several reasons why players fail to translate to the NFL and there are several reasons why players with lower grades outplay their draft status.

On draft day 2006, I stated that Jarrad Page would be a impact safety for the Chiefs, yet if you search the threads, there are tons of people that say he's camp fodder and won't make the team. Are all of those people "stupid"? No. For the most part, I'd bet none of them had seen him play and don't understand 7th round value.

And once again, when someone is "right" in their assessment of a player, I rarely, if ever, see that member praised.

It's not their opinions of the players, right or wrong that makes them look that way, it's the fact that they are too stupid to know that a fifth round pick may end up looking like a 1st, and a first may be out of the league in a few years. Even the best drafting teams have picks that you look back on, and say WTF were they thinking?

This is untrue. It's very rare that teams over-evaluate players. Sure, every once in a while a true bust comes along. But most team's evaluations are similar. Every once in a while, there's a "WTF" moment, like with Tyson Jackson or Tyson Alualu this past draft.

But it appears that Jacksonville was correct in their evaluation and the Chiefs were incorrect. It happens.

I mean, who would have ever thought that Matt Cassel would be making Mark Sanchez look like a chump right now?

Mark Sanchez has 16 TD, 8 INT's and more passing yardage than Cassel. I think it's safe to say that the Jets have faced better teams this season than the Chiefs although it's speculation as to how either would have done if they were to switch teams.

But Mark Sanchez has hardly been the definition of a "chump" to date this season.

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2010, 05:11 PM
Great...Dane playing the stat card with Mark Sanchez like it means something...

too bad he left out the 55% completions and the 82 rating...

AND they've beaten New England....

and WAIT FOR IT

Miami
Buffalo
Denver
Minnesota
Detroit
Cleveland
Houston
Cincinnati

Needed OT against Detroit and Cleveland...got bailed out by a sketchy PI against Denver and got bailed out by Kubiak being a terrible, conservative head coach after THE SANCHIZE threw a "game ending" INT...

So Dane...

Do a little research bud.

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2010, 05:12 PM
this is why these pessimistic morons think everything Chiefs suck all the times compared to other teams...

they WATCH every Chiefs game (most of them do anyways) and let stats do the talking for all of the other games they don't watch...

so stats don't count for Chiefs players but they define every other player in the NFL

Frosty
12-02-2010, 05:16 PM
You could get whiplash reading this thread from the beginning. :eek:

Saul Good
12-02-2010, 05:25 PM
If you read my initial comments on draft day 2006, I expected Hali to be a Pro Bowl defense player.

That has not happened.

Hali played well his rookie season, then followed those up with average seasons. Last year while learning a new position, his level of play began to ascend. This year, his fifth year in the league, has been his best season to date. Maybe not statistically, but most certainly it's been his most effective season.

Has he lived up to his first round selection?

I would say it turned out to be a pretty decent pick. Look at the players taken after him in the round and tell me how many are definitively better.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2010, 05:29 PM
At that point in time, it was completely inarguable that Eric Hicks had achieved more than Tamba Hali.

And yes, Demeco Ryans is a better player than Tamba, especially if we are running a 4-3, which we were.

If you are going to bump posts to make other people look bad, you might want to get your facts straight first.

Hali was in his third year in the league and at the featured pass rushing position accumulated 3 sacks.

It's funny how all of these things get filtered out when its time for an organizational ball lavage.

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2010, 05:31 PM
the problem with you guys is you expect far too much out of every single draft pick...

It's ridiculous.

You expect every 1st rounder to be a hall of famer...every 2nd round to be an all-pro...ever 3rd rounder to be a pro bowler...and every 4th rounder to be a 10 year starter.

It's pure insanity.

TheGuardian
12-02-2010, 05:33 PM
Comparing Ryans and Tamaba is comparing apples and oranges. One is a mike backer in a 40 front and the other is an outside linebacker in a 30 front. You Hamas nor anyone else can say which is better because it's like comparing a corner to a safety. Both play in the secondary but that's where the comparisons end.

But seriously Hamas, you said we woulda been better of drafting Thomas Howard. Who sucks absolute nuts, and always has. And I don't care what his numbers were.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2010, 05:33 PM
the problem with you guys is you expect far too much out of every single draft pick...

It's ridiculous.

You expect every 1st rounder to be a hall of famer...every 2nd round to be an all-pro...ever 3rd rounder to be a pro bowler...and every 4th rounder to be a 10 year starter.

It's pure insanity.

That's a wonderful strawman you've built.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2010, 05:38 PM
Comparing Ryans and Tamaba is comparing apples and oranges. One is a mike backer in a 40 front and the other is an outside linebacker in a 30 front. You Hamas nor anyone else can say which is better because it's like comparing a corner to a safety. Both play in the secondary but that's where the comparisons end.

But seriously Hamas, you said we woulda been better of drafting Thomas Howard. Who sucks absolute nuts, and always has. And I don't care what his numbers were.

No one is saying that it's a direct comparison, but I think it's pretty safe to say that Demeco Ryans is a better football player than Tamba Hali. I'm sure you threw a similar shitfit when NFLN had their list of Top 100 players some time back.

So Thomas Howard sucks nuts because he has and no information will refute that. OK. Nice tautology, Ricky Roughnuts.

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2010, 05:39 PM
I don't know how anyone comes to the conclusion that Demeco Ryans is a better football player than Tamba Hali...

but hey, whatever...lol

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2010, 05:40 PM
Great...Dane playing the stat card with Mark Sanchez like it means something...

It doesn't mean anything other than the fact that he's not a "chump".

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2010, 05:41 PM
It's like what I just said...

Stats don't count for Chiefs fans because they watch the Chiefs games and everyone acquiring these stats has to pass the "eye" test...

but since these same people probably don't get to watch 16 Texans games, or 16 Jets games, or 16 Packers games (etc. etc. etc.) stats execute their arguments for them just fine.

I'll tell you this right now...

I don't think 155 tackles on a shitty defense is indicative of anything...I've seen Demeco Ryans and the Texans play more than a few times...

He's certainly a solid player...but it's not like they got a whole lot worse when he got injured...they have been a bad defense every single year they've been in the NFL...

Demeco Ryans is CLEARLY not a gamechanger...

Hali is...

Ryans may be a more complete football player, but Hali can change games...so...?

Who do you take?

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2010, 05:42 PM
I don't know how anyone comes to the conclusion that Demeco Ryans is a better football player than Tamba Hali...

but hey, whatever...lol

Watching them both play? Ryans was DROY, has been to two Pro Bowls for a team of low visibility (this isn't Roy Williams making it b/c he was with Dallas) and he was a 1x All-Pro.

That being said, it's obvious you can't say that Tom Brady is a better football player than Jerheme Urban, as they play different positions.

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2010, 05:43 PM
It doesn't mean anything other than the fact that he's not a "chump".

He's still the weakest link on a really solidly built team...and he'll be the reason why they either...

A) miss the playoffs

or

B) don't win a Super Bowl

Seriously. I'm not sold on the fact they don't finish out 1-4 and possibly miss the playoffs...starting this week.

The Bears and the Jets are two teams that could EASILY BE .500 rather than 8-3 and 9-2...

There is NO QUESTION in my mind the Chiefs are better than the Jets...

and I HOPE MORE THAN ANYTHING we win the West and host the Jets in the Wild Card round. I pray, even.

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2010, 05:43 PM
Demeco Ryans is CLEARLY not a gamechanger...

Hali is...

Ryans may be a more complete football player, but Hali can change games...so...?

Who do you take?

You take whomever you need.

The Chiefs at the time needed someone opposite Jared Allen. The Texans needed an MLB.

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2010, 05:44 PM
You take whomever you need.

The Chiefs at the time needed someone opposite Jared Allen. The Texans needed an MLB.

ok well...

why is this debate even ongoing then?

Right now it looks like Hali, despite some early career struggles, has turned into quite the solid 1st round pick.

Yay Carl, yay Chiefs.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2010, 05:45 PM
He's still the weakest link on a really solidly built team...and he'll be the reason why they either...

A) miss the playoffs

or

B) don't win a Super Bowl

Seriously. I'm not sold on the fact they don't finish out 1-4 and possibly miss the playoffs...starting this week.

The Bears and the Jets are two teams that could EASILY BE .500 rather than 8-3 and 9-2...

There is NO QUESTION in my mind the Chiefs are better than the Jets...

and I HOPE MORE THAN ANYTHING we win the West and host the Jets in the Wild Card round. I pray, even.

The irony of this is that you were just running your mouth about people not watching games. Had you watched a single Jets game this year, you'd know that their weakest link is not the QB (not by a long shot) but their inability to generate pressure on the opposing QB.

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2010, 05:47 PM
not by a long shot?!?!?

Ahahahahaha.

Ok.

Extra Point
12-02-2010, 05:48 PM
so stats don't count for Chiefs players but they define every other player in the NFL
I see your blip on the Sarcas-O-Meter, big guy. That's how the agents and lawyers are also paid, and the guys on this team who sign the contracts.

Norman Einstein
12-02-2010, 05:49 PM
You could get whiplash reading this thread from the beginning. :eek:

the OP was 04-29-2006, 02:32 PM

It's old shit. Why go back for old shit? Waste of time past reading the OP.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2010, 05:49 PM
not by a long shot?!?!?

Ahahahahaha.

Ok.

Exactly. You have nothing to offer as a rebuttal, because you, who were just bitching about stats, has no reference to how the Jets play other than stats.

Extra Point
12-02-2010, 05:51 PM
Why on earth we're all in the Cannibull-Buffet, is beyond me.

Does it make anyone feel better, beside the draftabulators? NO.

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2010, 05:51 PM
Exactly. You have nothing to offer as a rebuttal, because you, who were just bitching about stats, has no reference to how the Jets play other than stats.

and you study every Jets game????

ROFL

I bet I've watched as many Jets games this year as you have.

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2010, 05:59 PM
and just like I rightfully predicted Cassel to have a breakout week...

I again predict Sanchez will have one of the worst weeks he's ever had this week...

He is going to single-handedly lose that game for the Jets on Sunday.

BigMeatballDave
12-02-2010, 06:01 PM
Clearly, you DO have issue with people's opinions, as evidenced by your hate for Mecca I bring up old shit that Mecca posts when he's wrong. Mostly because when he's wrong, he never owns it.

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2010, 06:13 PM
I bring up old shit that Mecca posts when he's wrong. Mostly because when he's wrong, he never owns it.

Why does someone need to "own it"?

The dude has 75,000 posts on a football and he's got a strong opinion.

Is the purpose of this forum to discuss football or to wait until someone's wrong, then throw it in their face repeatedly?

crazycoffey
12-02-2010, 06:13 PM
Hell, Mecca said if he was hired as GM his first move would be to CUT Hali.\And dude has completely disappeared since we turned it around. If we 2-9 he'd be here telling us what a shitty coach, GM, QB, we have.

that's his thing

crazycoffey
12-02-2010, 06:18 PM
the OP was 04-29-2006, 02:32 PM

It's old shit. Why go back for old shit? Waste of time past reading the OP.

this is like the third or fourth time you said the same thing about looking at an old thread, who cares? don't like old threads, don't post in 'em. We got your opinion already. jeeez

I like having access to old threads, I think it's very entertaining....

BigMeatballDave
12-02-2010, 06:26 PM
Why does someone need to "own it"?

The dude has 75,000 posts on a football and he's got a strong opinion.

Is the purpose of this forum to discuss football or to wait until someone's wrong, then throw it in their face repeatedly?Most of us throw a lot of shit around here. And we are wrong a lot. You've been wrong about some things. So has Hamas, Milkman, OTWP, etc.

The difference is, myself, you and others are here almost everyday and admit when we are wrong. Mecca avoids it like the plague. Thats why he gets so much shit.

Brock
12-02-2010, 06:28 PM
I bet the last time Mecca mentioned Sam Bradford was in April.

Brock
12-02-2010, 06:28 PM
Dez Bryant too.

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2010, 06:32 PM
Why does someone need to "own it"?

The dude has 75,000 posts on a football and he's got a strong opinion.

Is the purpose of this forum to discuss football or to wait until someone's wrong, then throw it in their face repeatedly?

Uhm

If you can't understand why people despise Mecca on this board then you just aren't very smart...

He has an opinion, doesn't accept anyone else's opinion, and then tells them why they are wrong...and then when he is wrong he just disappears...

or when the Chiefs are winning he refuses to post...

Seriously...the only time he comes on this season is when the Chiefs lose...

It is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2010, 06:33 PM
and I PROMISE everyone that mecca still lurks this site...just logged out so no one can see him...

after all he has no job...what else can he be doing?

BigMeatballDave
12-02-2010, 06:38 PM
and I PROMISE everyone that mecca still lurks this site...just logged out so no one can see him...

after all he has no job...what else can he be doing?Brushing his hair?

Chocolate Hog
12-02-2010, 06:44 PM
Why in the world would you drag up this shit again?

Nothing to see here - move on, move on.

I didn't bump it you cum target. Worst. Troll. Eva

Saul Good
12-02-2010, 06:52 PM
Here are the 5 picks on either side of him. Based on this, he was a good pick. Only Antonio Cromartie and Davin Joseph have made a Pro Bowl. Joseph was an alternate once, and Cromartie's career is really sputtering. I would say that Hali is the best or second best player out of that bunch.


14 Philadelphia Eagles Brodrick Bunkley Defensive Tackle Florida State

15 St. Louis Rams (from Atlanta Falcons via Denver) Tye Hill CB Clemson

16 Miami Dolphins Jason Allen Safety Tennessee

17 Minnesota Vikings Chad Greenway Linebacker Iowa

18 Dallas Cowboys Bobby Carpenter Linebacker Ohio State

19 San Diego Chargers Antonio Cromartie Cornerback Florida State

20 Kansas City Chiefs Tamba Hali Defensive End Penn State

21 New England Patriots Laurence Maroney Running back Minnesota

22 San Francisco 49ers Manny Lawson LB NC State

23 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Davin Joseph Guard Oklahoma

24 Cincinnati Bengals Johnathan Joseph Cornerback South Carolina

patteeu
12-02-2010, 07:20 PM
and I HOPE MORE THAN ANYTHING we win the West and host the Jets in the Wild Card round. I pray, even.

That would be awesome. Good call.

patteeu
12-02-2010, 07:25 PM
Why does someone need to "own it"?

The dude has 75,000 posts on a football and he's got a strong opinion.

Is the purpose of this forum to discuss football or to wait until someone's wrong, then throw it in their face repeatedly?

He brings it on himself. Most people here can be wrong without stimulating anyone enough to dig it up and throw it in their face. It's people who are in people's face with their opinions that turn out to be wrong who get hoisted for the most part, as it should be.

Saul Good
12-02-2010, 07:39 PM
He brings it on himself. Most people here can be wrong without stimulating anyone enough to dig it up and throw it in their face. It's people who are in people's face with their opinions that turn out to be wrong who get hoisted for the most part, as it should be.

Mecca obviously watches a lot of football, and he knows a lot about the game. His ability to evaluate talent at the college level and translate it to the NFL game is pretty poor, though. That said, he's not as insufferable as some of the others. I enjoy debating people with strong opinions. There are plenty of people around here who attack posters who dare disagree with their "expert" opinions. Not surprisingly, these "expert" opinions wind up being wrong more often than not.

TheGuardian
12-02-2010, 08:02 PM
No one is saying that it's a direct comparison, but I think it's pretty safe to say that Demeco Ryans is a better football player than Tamba Hali. I'm sure you threw a similar shitfit when NFLN had their list of Top 100 players some time back.

So Thomas Howard sucks nuts because he has and no information will refute that. OK. Nice tautology, Ricky Roughnuts.

Thomas Howard isn't even a fucking starter now. when he was, he was the softest fucking linebacker I have seen in a while. Shit at the point, couldn't stack and shed to save his life. Not as soft as Bobby Carpenter but a damn sight close to it.

Either way your pre draft selections are some of the worst I've ever seen. Vernon Gholston, Thomas Howard....for the love of God man.

And no I think it's safe to say that Ryans is not a better football player than Tamba because the truth is, playing inside requires a lot less ability than playing on the edge. Don't think so? Who makes more money, edge rushers or inside backers on average?

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2010, 08:15 PM
Thomas Howard isn't even a fucking starter now. when he was, he was the softest fucking linebacker I have seen in a while. Shit at the point, couldn't stack and shed to save his life. Not as soft as Bobby Carpenter but a damn sight close to it.

Either way your pre draft selections are some of the worst I've ever seen. Vernon Gholston, Thomas Howard....for the love of God man.

And no I think it's safe to say that Ryans is not a better football player than Tamba because the truth is, playing inside requires a lot less ability than playing on the edge. Don't think so? Who makes more money, edge rushers or inside backers on average?

It's a complete different skillset #1, and anyone who has even watched football, let alone rode the NAIA bench would know that.

Furthermore, the Howard comp was in their third season when he was a starter and was routinely producing, while Hali was the premier pass rusher on the worst pass rushing team of all time. Not the division, not the conference, not the year. EVAR.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2010, 08:16 PM
and you study every Jets game????

ROFL

I bet I've watched as many Jets games this year as you have.

I bet you haven't. There's this thing on D* called Short Cuts. You don't get it slinging marinara or while your roomies are dropping n-bombs on your computer at the bar.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2010, 08:18 PM
I bet the last time Mecca mentioned Sam Bradford was in April.

Mecca drafted Sam Bradford in the mock.

TheGuardian
12-02-2010, 08:36 PM
It's a complete different skillset #1, and anyone who has even watched football, let alone rode the NAIA bench would know that.

Furthermore, the Howard comp was in their third season when he was a starter and was routinely producing, while Hali was the premier pass rusher on the worst pass rushing team of all time. Not the division, not the conference, not the year. EVAR.

Howard has never been worth a dogs shaved ass. Producing how? Because he made tackles 7 yards down field? You flat out did not watch the guy play if you say he was producing and that isn't even a fucking argument. The guy sucked. He's riding pine for a reason now.

Furthermore, Hali is still the only pass rush threat we have. If we get someone on the otherside of the him, he's going to be a 10+ sack a year guy. I think everyone should fucking know that by now.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2010, 08:41 PM
Howard has never been worth a dogs shaved ass. Producing how? Because he made tackles 7 yards down field? You flat out did not watch the guy play if you say he was producing and that isn't even a fucking argument. The guy sucked. He's riding pine for a reason now.

Furthermore, Hali is still the only pass rush threat we have. If we get someone on the otherside of the him, he's going to be a 10+ sack a year guy. I think everyone should fucking know that by now.

Thomas Howard was never Ray Lewis, but he was an effective weakside cover backer, which is one of the reasons why he snagged a fair number of picks, and made some big plays for the Fade on occasion.

Also, no one disagrees with you that Hali is the only PR the Chiefs have, but when that only rusher is putting up 3 sacks a year, even an above average weakside LB who can snag 6 picks in a year looks better than a dog's ass, which is exactly what Hali was in 2008.

TheGuardian
12-02-2010, 08:45 PM
Thomas Howard was never Ray Lewis, but he was an effective weakside cover backer, which is one of the reasons why he snagged a fair number of picks, and made some big plays for the Fade on occasion.

Dude seriously, grabbing a few picks doesn't make him worth shit. He never was. He got blowed up (to quote Emmitt Smiff) regularly, and was a big reason why that run defense was so putrid. I'm not even going to debate it anymore. The guy is, and was garbage. Period. He's riding the pine behind a guy that isn't much better. He wasn't Ray Lewis when Ray was on injured reserve. He wasn't even a poor mans Derrick Brooks. He just sucked. I don't care what his tackles were. Donnie Edwards made a shit load of tackle.....19 yards past the line. But even Donnie was a better player than Thomas Howard. Don't even try to argue this one Hamas. That guy is garbage.


Also, no one disagrees with you that Hali is the only PR the Chiefs have, but when that only rusher is putting up 3 sacks a year, even an above average weakside LB who can snag 6 picks in a year looks better than a dog's ass, which is exactly what Hali was in 2008.

Playing with his hand in the dirt against left tackles with no one else around him. Obviously the guy is lot better than Thomas fucking Howard. I don't throw the baby out with the bath water, which is what you do. Tamba had a bad year so hey, fuck him. It's dumb Hamas. Lots of guys have down seasons.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2010, 08:49 PM
Dude seriously, grabbing a few picks doesn't make him worth shit. He never was. He got blowed up (to quote Emmitt Smiff) regularly, and was a big reason why that run defense was so putrid. I'm not even going to debate it anymore. The guy is, and was garbage. Period. He's riding the pine behind a guy that isn't much better. He wasn't Ray Lewis when Ray was on injured reserve. He wasn't even a poor mans Derrick Brooks. He just sucked. I don't care what his tackles were. Donnie Edwards made a shit load of tackle.....19 yards past the line. But even Donnie was a better player than Thomas Howard. Don't even try to argue this one Hamas. That guy is garbage.



Playing with his hand in the dirt against left tackles with no one else around him. Obviously the guy is lot better than Thomas fucking Howard. I don't throw the baby out with the bath water, which is what you do. Tamba had a bad year so hey, fuck him. It's dumb Hamas. Lots of guys have down seasons.

No one said that Thomas Howard was great or even that good. However, a poor man's Donnie Edwards (and that's exactly what he was) was a far more productive player in 2008 than Tamba Hali. Do you remember how fucking bad he was? How he was absolutely annihilated against the run? You talk about Howard getting killed against the run, Hali was the worst run defending DE in the league not named Dwight Freeney.

Essentially everyone had given up on Tamba Hali before halfway through 2009. You weren't here, so you have the benefit of claiming that you didn't. Congrats. I was here, I read the fucking posts and posted in the thread. The guy was a massive target of vitriol. He was viewed as a situational, complementary pass rusher who was horrible against the run.

And expecting a first round draft pick to beat a LT when single covered is not a Herculean task.

Chocolate Hog
12-02-2010, 08:49 PM
Mecca drafted Sam Bradford in the mock.

He didn't draft him someone else drafted him because Mecca was too busy to make his pick.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2010, 08:50 PM
He didn't draft him someone else drafted him because Mecca was too busy to make his pick.

Go back and read his post about it.

TheGuardian
12-02-2010, 09:07 PM
No one said that Thomas Howard was great or even that good. However, a poor man's Donnie Edwards (and that's exactly what he was) was a far more productive player in 2008 than Tamba Hali. Do you remember how ****ing bad he was? How he was absolutely annihilated against the run? You talk about Howard getting killed against the run, Hali was the worst run defending DE in the league not named Dwight Freeney.

Essentially everyone had given up on Tamba Hali before halfway through 2009. You weren't here, so you have the benefit of claiming that you didn't. Congrats. I was here, I read the ****ing posts and posted in the thread. The guy was a massive target of vitriol. He was viewed as a situational, complementary pass rusher who was horrible against the run.

And expecting a first round draft pick to beat a LT when single covered is not a Herculean task.

I said Hali had a down season, no doubt about it. **** man Michael Strahan had a 5.5 sack season once after becoming a pro bowl guy. That's my point. It happens to almost every guy at some point. A down season.

And no, Thomas Howard was never even a poor mans Donnie Edwards. Dude he sucked. Just stop. I watched him get trucked by very poor fullbacks who are out of the league now. He was soft as shit.

I'll tell you who he was, a poor mans Ian Gold.

SenselessChiefsFan
12-02-2010, 09:20 PM
No one said that Thomas Howard was great or even that good. However, a poor man's Donnie Edwards (and that's exactly what he was) was a far more productive player in 2008 than Tamba Hali. Do you remember how ****ing bad he was? How he was absolutely annihilated against the run? You talk about Howard getting killed against the run, Hali was the worst run defending DE in the league not named Dwight Freeney.

Essentially everyone had given up on Tamba Hali before halfway through 2009. You weren't here, so you have the benefit of claiming that you didn't. Congrats. I was here, I read the ****ing posts and posted in the thread. The guy was a massive target of vitriol. He was viewed as a situational, complementary pass rusher who was horrible against the run.

And expecting a first round draft pick to beat a LT when single covered is not a Herculean task.

ahem...excuse me.... I called that this was the best defense for him and that he would do well. I really didn't have any doubts that he would. Frankly, it was a very, very good fit given his athletic ability.

SenselessChiefsFan
12-02-2010, 09:25 PM
Why does someone need to "own it"?

The dude has 75,000 posts on a football and he's got a strong opinion.

Is the purpose of this forum to discuss football or to wait until someone's wrong, then throw it in their face repeatedly?

No, it is much, much better to threaten and beat your chest and call someone else stupid....... when it is still opinion and NOT proven.

Your position on this is laughable, not that I am surprised.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2010, 09:26 PM
ahem...excuse me.... I called that this was the best defense for him and that he would do well. I really didn't have any doubts that he would. Frankly, it was a very, very good fit given his athletic ability.

Congratulations.

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TheGuardian
12-02-2010, 09:29 PM
Congratulations.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AvlLzS9PgjY/TMkT-faBSmI/AAAAAAAAA6w/w323ZkNgRx8/s1600/COOKIE.gif

Mine too whore.........

Brock
12-02-2010, 11:46 PM
Mecca drafted Sam Bradford in the mock.

Is that supposed to mean he liked Bradford? Cuz there's about 200 posts of evidence to the contrary.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2010, 11:49 PM
Is that supposed to mean he liked Bradford? Cuz there's about 200 posts of evidence to the contrary.

Perhaps he was ambivalent about him, then? He was fine with taking him #4 overall is all I'm saying.

Demonpenz
04-26-2012, 01:40 PM
Terrible!

DaKCMan AP
04-26-2012, 01:44 PM
We need help at DE. Hali was the #2 DE on the Chiefs draft board. I'm not upset by the pick at all.

Further evidence that DaKCMan AP is supremely Awesome.

Demonpenz
04-26-2012, 01:46 PM
Good work!

patteeu
04-26-2012, 01:47 PM
The 10 players the Chiefs missed out on by taking Hali "too early":

Laurence Maroney
Manny Lawson (I remember a lot of CP love for Manny and now look at him)
Davin Joseph
Johnathan Joseph
Santonio Holmes
John McCargo
DeAngelo Williams
Marcedes Lewis
Nic Mangold
Joseph Addai

Lots of RBs and interior OL.

Mr. Kotter
04-26-2012, 01:47 PM
Terrible!

Damn it, Carl!!!! :cuss:

....uh, nevermind. Just flashbacks is all....damn Manning-becomes-a-Donk-inflicted-PTSD.


Hope Julius Peppers ends his GD career on Sept 9 at Soldier field, bitch. Stay down. :cuss:

ChiefsCountry
04-26-2012, 01:48 PM
Hali is a good pick. This is the spot where he was expected to go for most of the draft process. He was productive in college, great motor, plays hard and makes plays. You need guys like that on a defense. Chiefs make a great pick two years in a row now.

:thumb:

Demonpenz
04-26-2012, 01:50 PM
How many more years does he have to kick A to be in the Hall. A slower DT with more determination.

Sofa King
04-26-2012, 01:52 PM
Now when Eric Hicks is still starting this year everyone will wonder why this pick was bad.....

LMAO

The Dawg
04-26-2012, 01:57 PM
I fully expect to see the always timely " (Insert player name)? MOTHER F*** YOU PIOLI!! " thread tonight.

J Diddy
04-26-2012, 02:04 PM
FML

When did we become the Jets?

whoman69
04-26-2012, 02:08 PM
This was Carl's one hit in the last decade.

Mr. Laz
04-26-2012, 02:17 PM
Hali can't play in a 3-4

mdchiefsfan
04-26-2012, 02:19 PM
I fully expect to see the always timely " (Insert player name)? MOTHER F*** YOU PIOLI!! " thread tonight.

looking forward to it

mdchiefsfan
04-26-2012, 02:21 PM
This was Carl's one hit in the last decade.

Flowers, DJ, Charles, Albert?

Bump
04-26-2012, 02:23 PM
LOL

wow the OP is like the biggest idiot ever.

Thig Lyfe
04-26-2012, 02:29 PM
I wanted Santonio Holmes, but I think this was still a pretty good pick as it filled a more urgent need.

Nailed it.

You are quite correct. People seem to think Hali's only plus is his character. But did you know talent and character aren't mutually exclusive? WHOAA!!! Yes, it's true!

An All-American in both talent and ethic. It's somebody the Chiefs have been lacking in their first day picks for a while now.

Nailed it.

-King-
04-26-2012, 02:36 PM
Hali is a very good pick. I have a feeling that we will be switching to a 3-4 in a couple years and that he could be a top 5 or even top 3 3-4 OLB. I have a feeling that he could have back to back 14.5 and 12 sack seasons. Just a feeling I have.


Whoa.

I think...


I think I'm God.

Thig Lyfe
04-26-2012, 02:38 PM
Whoa.

I think...


I think I'm God.

http://everyboty.net/shared/emotipix/skeptical/skeptical.gif

Bootlegged
04-26-2012, 03:09 PM
Ha. Figures it was Banyon.

Thig Lyfe
04-26-2012, 03:12 PM
Ha. Figures it was Banyon.

Jesus Christ, where have you been?

Also, go away.

Bump
04-26-2012, 03:19 PM
This is a fantastic pick! Tamba Hali is gonna shit on dudes. One day, he'll be one of the most feared and most held blitzer in the entire NFL. He'll get held on 95% of the plays but only 3% will get called and we will be screaming the whole game about it! One day Derrick Johnson will get his shit together too and become one of the best ILB's in the game and Carl is gonna get fired and we're gonna get the GM of the year thinking that he's a God and he turns out to be an asswipe idiot who won't let go of a shitty QB.


Wow, I must be a God too.

Thig Lyfe
04-26-2012, 03:25 PM
Wow, I must be a God too.

http://everyboty.net/shared/emotipix/skeptical/skeptical.gif

KCTitus
04-26-2012, 03:59 PM
I love old threads... :titus:

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-26-2012, 04:41 PM
Gold Jerry.

Demonpenz
04-23-2013, 08:47 PM
yeah
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AussieChiefsFan
04-23-2013, 08:49 PM
Reading through this thread ROFL

Demonpenz
04-23-2013, 08:52 PM
Someone wanted Tamba to play MLB

Claynus
04-23-2013, 08:52 PM
Note I expressed no dissatisfaction with this pick.

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-23-2013, 08:56 PM
Still gold Jerry

My favorite Hali fail of All Time is the one where people claimed his ceiling was a 3rd end on a playoff team LMAO

Sfeihc
04-23-2013, 09:17 PM
Always have and still do believe that if a guy is your pick make the pick. All these years later it's laughable that people were pissed because KC took him "10 spots too early". It was a silly take then and history has only made it more so.

LOCOChief
04-23-2013, 09:48 PM
excellent analysis by cps resident draft experts.

DTLB58
04-23-2013, 09:54 PM
Always have and still do believe that if a guy is your pick make the pick. All these years later it's laughable that people were pissed because KC took him "10 spots too early". It was a silly take then and history has only made it more so.

Yea, like the draft is that precise, 10 picks :doh!:

Heck, teams pass on players round after round or all together, 10 picks is nothing.

Someone "trying" to be a draftnick that day. Nice thread.

ChiefsNow
04-23-2013, 09:56 PM
Funny, I have been thinking for a few weeks about Hali. To me I thought he kind of fell off last year and was going to bring up the idea of what we could get in trade while he is still valued throughout the league.

Thig Lyfe
04-23-2013, 10:02 PM
Funny, I have been thinking for a few weeks about Hali. To me I thought he kind of fell off last year and was going to bring up the idea of what we could get in trade while he is still valued throughout the league.

Let's trade him for Geno.

Sweet Daddy Hate
04-23-2013, 10:36 PM
Being wrong about Hali in no way negates the retardery of the Chiefs at the QB position past, present, and more than likely future. Just so you know.
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crazycoffey
04-24-2013, 12:39 AM
It is a reach.........when a guy is expected to go between 25-35.......it's a reach.

Now when Eric Hicks is still starting this year everyone will wonder why this pick was bad.....

To be honest Hali doesn't have that much potential......most of his reports say he's "maxed out".

No because Cromartie wasn't there but I still think it was reaching a bit to high for a pick. Funny how we didn't even have a chance to pick Cromartie but that's obviously my reason for being upset about the pick, I just think it was crappy value.

The sad thing is that Eric fucking Hicks has achieved more than Tamba Hali.

How things change, Donte Whitner is one of the best players from this draft now...

The best player taken after Hali is Davin Joseph, I'm not a fan of taking guards in the 1st round but we'd be better off.

And until this year, the Chiefs haven't been?

DeMeco Ryans is an absolute beast of a linebacker, regardless of the play around him. He's been consistent since his rookie year as well.

And the Texans defense isn't poor due to a lack of talent. That coaching staff in general sucks ass.

where's the thread/posts about Hali never making the transition to OLB, ROFL....

Most of us throw a lot of shit around here. And we are wrong a lot. You've been wrong about some things. So has Hamas, Milkman, OTWP, etc.

The difference is, myself, you and others are here almost everyday and admit when we are wrong. Mecca avoids it like the plague. Thats why he gets so much shit.

Gold Jerry.

All gold

crazycoffey
04-24-2013, 12:46 AM
I'm waiting for the next flush out of "experts" going mute

Bootlegged
04-24-2013, 04:46 AM
Is there a worse group of know it all talent evaluators gathered in one place on the Internet? Doubtful.

:deevee: Geno is Joe Montana :deevee: Stupid Andy Reid/Dorsey :deevee: