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banyon
04-29-2006, 01:32 PM
If you like Hali fine.

But this was 10 picks too high to take this dude.

banyon
04-29-2006, 01:33 PM
I wanted Williams, but even Lawson would've been better at #20.

:cuss:

HolmeZz
04-29-2006, 01:35 PM
There's no guarantee he would've been there in 10 picks. This was a good move. I know we're all used to lambasting Carl lots of times, but this isn't one of them.

CoMoChief
04-29-2006, 01:36 PM
Christ, even one of the "highlight" videos is him getting dominated by an OT from Iowa.

KC_John
04-29-2006, 01:38 PM
I dont mind this pick, he can be a starter from the start. And frankly any position we filled was an upgrade. Maybe a WR would of been a good choice...

Since we didnt go CB, do you think there is still chance of signing LAW? Im not sure but is he still unsigned?

Mecca
04-29-2006, 02:18 PM
Look at this comment.........

wow from scoutsdominate.com "What a reach by the chiefs, no wonder they haven't won a playoff game in 20 years"

banyon
04-29-2006, 02:20 PM
Here's Yahoo's idiot commentary:

DE: Slight surprise with Hali. Most people thought Kansas City would go with a cornerback especially after Hali's stock seemed to be slipping after some personal visits. But the Chiefs sorely need another impact pass-rusher and Hali is a high-effort guy. Not the most explosive off the edge, but he's going to outwork most players. For a defense needing good, solid players, Hali is as good a choice considering the other options available. - 3:32 pm EDT

translation: reach

dirk digler
04-29-2006, 02:21 PM
I like the pick alot. Good player and good character guy. They guy will give 110% every play.

Mike Mayock of the NFL Network loved the pick

Cochise
04-29-2006, 02:22 PM
I like the pick. We need a pass rusher and we got one.

Mecca
04-29-2006, 02:22 PM
Here's Yahoo's idiot commentary:

DE: Slight surprise with Hali. Most people thought Kansas City would go with a cornerback especially after Hali's stock seemed to be slipping after some personal visits. But the Chiefs sorely need another impact pass-rusher and Hali is a high-effort guy. Not the most explosive off the edge, but he's going to outwork most players. For a defense needing good, solid players, Hali is as good a choice considering the other options available. - 3:32 pm EDT

translation: reach

It is a reach.........when a guy is expected to go between 25-35.......it's a reach.

Pitt Gorilla
04-29-2006, 02:23 PM
I still don't understand how casual fans seem to "know" when players should be selected.

Chan93lx50
04-29-2006, 02:23 PM
ROFL

patteeu
04-29-2006, 02:23 PM
If you like Hali fine.

But this was 10 picks too high to take this dude.

I tried to tell you they should trade down. ;)

Cochise
04-29-2006, 02:24 PM
I still don't understand how casual fans seem to "know" when players should be selected.

I've just accepted that every pick will be labelled a reach.

Pitt Gorilla
04-29-2006, 02:24 PM
It is a reach.........when a guy is expected to go between 25-35.......it's a reach. "Expected" by whom?

banyon
04-29-2006, 02:24 PM
I like the pick alot. Good player and good character guy. They guy will give 110% every play.

Mike Mayock of the NFL Network loved the pick

I can give 110% too, But I would not have been a good pick.

dtrain
04-29-2006, 02:24 PM
Very good pick he has size, quick step off the line, and non stop motor! He will get it done for the Chiefs no doubt!!!

dirk digler
04-29-2006, 02:24 PM
I've just accepted that every pick will be labelled a reach.

Yep the Chiefs can't win whomever they choose with some fans.

siberian khatru
04-29-2006, 02:25 PM
Honestly, I wasn't hot to trot on any of the players available to us. No matter who we picked at 20, we could've dissected him -- too small, too raw, too injured, wrong position, reach, etc.

I'm OK with Hali.

JohnnyV13
04-29-2006, 02:25 PM
Well....

THe upside of this pick is at least he won't be lazy. The dude is going to be motivated

Rausch
04-29-2006, 02:25 PM
There's no guarantee he would've been there in 10 picks. This was a good move. I know we're all used to lambasting Carl lots of times, but this isn't one of them.

You don't spend a first round pick on a guy who'll only play on third down...

banyon
04-29-2006, 02:26 PM
Tamba Hali.

SR Stats:

11.0 Sacks, 65 Tackles, 17 Tackles for loss

JR Stats:

2.0 sacks, 55 Tackles, 12 tackles for loss.

Fluke, anyone?

Mecca
04-29-2006, 02:26 PM
I don't like his talent for the pick.......I don't think any of the 5-7 teams behind us would have taken him. Hence reaching when you could move down and still get him.

patteeu
04-29-2006, 02:26 PM
I like the pick alot. Good player and good character guy. They guy will give 110% every play.

Mike Mayock of the NFL Network loved the pick

It sounds like he has some of the qualities of John Browning (110% effort, plays both DT and DE, good attitude) although he's probably quicker and I don't think he's as big and strong as Browning.

HolmeZz
04-29-2006, 02:26 PM
Hali was the 2nd best DE in this drafted and was thought to go anywhere from 10 to 25 before the combine. He's not a reach. A reach would be what Buffalo did, selecting a fringe first rounder in Donte Whitner with the 8th overall pick.

dtrain
04-29-2006, 02:26 PM
I still don't understand how casual fans seem to "know" when players should be selected.

Cause they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

KevB
04-29-2006, 02:27 PM
Who's to say we didn't try to trade down? It takes two teams to tango.

Hali is a DEnd who can play all three downs. He's a football player who produced on a big stage. I'm ok with the pick. I liked Lawson's upside, but Hali will bring it every week. Adding a guy like him with his attitude can only help IMO.

banyon
04-29-2006, 02:27 PM
I've just accepted that every pick will be labelled a reach.


DJ was not labeled that way. People regarded that pick as a "steal" because it was.

tk13
04-29-2006, 02:28 PM
It might be a bit of a reach according to the "experts", but I'm fine with it. We have drafted player on top of player with "potential"... we've got "potential" all over the freaking field. Here is a guy who is going to show up, work hard, and get to the QB. Not flashy, but that's what I like about Herm, he drafted a football player over a bunch of measurables. Wait till Krumrie gets ahold of this guy. I like the idea of having him and Allen both being total animals rushing from each end on passing downs.

dirk digler
04-29-2006, 02:28 PM
I don't like his talent for the pick.......I don't think any of the 5-7 teams behind us would have taken him. Hence reaching when you could move down and still get him.

You don't know that for sure now do you? What makes you think the 49ers wouldn't take him if we picked Lawson?

KevB
04-29-2006, 02:28 PM
I don't like his talent for the pick.......I don't think any of the 5-7 teams behind us would have taken him. Hence reaching when you could move down and still get him.

I don't disagree that we could have gotten him several spots lower, but how do you know there just wasn't a trade partner? If not, and the Chiefs wanted Hali, sometimes you take a player a bit earlier than projected.

HolmeZz
04-29-2006, 02:28 PM
Tamba Hali.

SR Stats:

11.0 Sacks, 65 Tackles, 17 Tackles for loss

JR Stats:

2.0 sacks, 55 Tackles, 12 tackles for loss.

Fluke, anyone?

If you bothered to do any research, you'd realize he played DT as a junior. And he was very undersized for a DT. He flourished as a DE.

banyon
04-29-2006, 02:28 PM
I tried to tell you they should trade down. ;)

I guess I should've assumed that they'd take a reach.

Was that your thinking?

patteeu
04-29-2006, 02:29 PM
Who's to say we didn't try to trade down? It takes two teams to tango.

Hali is a DEnd who can play all three downs. He's a football player who produced on a big stage. I'm ok with the pick. I liked Lawson's upside, but Hali will bring it every week. Adding a guy like him with his attitude can only help IMO.

I agree. Carl Peterson said they were looking at the option and said they even entertained one solid offer but he decided the offer wasn't good enough.

Pitt Gorilla
04-29-2006, 02:29 PM
I don't like his talent for the pick.......I don't think any of the 5-7 teams behind us would have taken him. Hence reaching when you could move down and still get him.Really, we could have moved down? Who offered us a good deal to move up? Seriously, I'd like to know.

HolmeZz
04-29-2006, 02:30 PM
You don't spend a first round pick on a guy who'll only play on third down...

And we didn't.

ChiefsCountry
04-29-2006, 02:30 PM
Hali is a good pick. This is the spot where he was expected to go for most of the draft process. He was productive in college, great motor, plays hard and makes plays. You need guys like that on a defense. Chiefs make a great pick two years in a row now.

dtrain
04-29-2006, 02:30 PM
Really, we could have moved down? Who offered us a good deal to move up? Seriously, I'd like to know.

I bet it was Pittsburg.

Brock
04-29-2006, 02:30 PM
You don't spend a first round pick on a guy who'll only play on third down...

wtf are you talking about....

dirk digler
04-29-2006, 02:30 PM
I like the pick:

POSITIVES: Relentless defender coming off a tremendous senior campaign. Displays outstanding first-step quickness, is fast off the edge and displays outstanding pursuing from the backside. Plays with good pad level, quickly alters his angle of attack and is fast in every direction of the field. Shows an array of hand techniques to protect himself or defeat blocks. Naturally strong and splits double-team blocks. Instinctive with a good head for the ball.

NEGATIVES: Needs to improve his body strength as he will be pushed from his angle of attack by large opponents. Occasionally pins his ears back, rushes up the field and over-pursues the action.

ANALYSIS: A natural leader slowly developing a complete game, Hali has the ability to fit several schemes at the next level. Offers possibilities as a pass-rushing end in a conventional defense or could stand up over tackle in a 34.

tk13
04-29-2006, 02:30 PM
Tamba Hali.

SR Stats:

11.0 Sacks, 65 Tackles, 17 Tackles for loss

JR Stats:

2.0 sacks, 55 Tackles, 12 tackles for loss.

Fluke, anyone?
That's what they said about Larry Johnson.

Pitt Gorilla
04-29-2006, 02:31 PM
And we didn't.Yeah, at his size, he'll play first and second down for sure.

Ari Chi3fs
04-29-2006, 02:32 PM
He isnt that strong, only 17 reps of the 225lbs.

dirk digler
04-29-2006, 02:32 PM
That's what they said about Larry Johnson.

Yep and LJ's dad coached Tamba so that might have helped them make this decision

BigRock
04-29-2006, 02:33 PM
They had a great quote from Hali on the NFL Network. Someone had asked him if there was anything he likes more than sacking the QB. He said "sacking him again".

patteeu
04-29-2006, 02:33 PM
I guess I should've assumed that they'd take a reach.

Was that your thinking?

Not really. Based on all the different preferences expressed by Chiefs fans (who probably did more research on this than I have), I just thought there must not be one guy who stands out above all the others so I thought it would make sense to trade down. But the way it went down, I have to believe they got the guy they wanted and I'm OK with that. It's a position of need, it wasn't an incredible reach, and the team had other good options so this must have been their guy. I trust Carl.

HolmeZz
04-29-2006, 02:33 PM
Yeah, at his size, he'll play first and second down for sure.

Calling him a 3rd down DE makes him out to be a pass rush specialist. He's not. He can rush the passer, but he's good against the run too.

JazzzLovr
04-29-2006, 02:33 PM
It could be worse. We could be drafting like the Bills...



(Sorry CntryGal)

luv
04-29-2006, 02:33 PM
If you like Hali fine.

But this was 10 picks too high to take this dude.
You'd be bitching if they picked anyone besides who you thought they should have.

Rausch
04-29-2006, 02:33 PM
wtf are you talking about....

You really see us benching Hicks?

dirk digler
04-29-2006, 02:33 PM
He isnt that strong, only 17 reps of the 225lbs.

True but that is something that is fixable.

wazu
04-29-2006, 02:33 PM
A very disappointing pick. I was holding my breath for Jimmy Williams.

Granted, the Chiefs usually do worse. At least this time there was speculation that Hali might sneak into the first round. The Chiefs managed to only reach by about 10-12 picks. Now we've got yet another defensive lineman.

Plus, it's really important to have 3 starting defensive ends. You really only need 1 good corner in today's NFL.

banyon
04-29-2006, 02:33 PM
If you bothered to do any research, you'd realize he played DT as a junior. And he was very undersized for a DT. He flourished as a DE.

I think that was research Holmezz. Just not as much as you wanted. :)

thanks for the info though. that gives me a modicum of hope.

wazu
04-29-2006, 02:35 PM
You really see us benching Hicks?

No, we'll need him to play corner.

Mecca
04-29-2006, 02:35 PM
If the Chiefs trade back up for Jimmy Williams I won't be quite as mad as I am now......

Brock
04-29-2006, 02:35 PM
You really see us benching Hicks?

Sure, eventually.

banyon
04-29-2006, 02:35 PM
You'd be bitching if they picked anyone besides who you thought they should have.

No. Lawson, Williams, Holmes, Jackson, joseph would've been fine with me.

dirk digler
04-29-2006, 02:35 PM
A very disappointing pick. I was holding my breath for Jimmy Williams.

Granted, the Chiefs usually do worse. At least this time there was speculation that Hali might sneak into the first round. The Chiefs managed to only reach by about 10-12 picks. Now we've got yet another defensive lineman.

Plus, it's really important to have 3 starting defensive ends. You really only need 1 good corner in today's NFL.

BS..He was projected to be picked anywhere from 20-30.

Lurch
04-29-2006, 02:36 PM
I'd have liked Carl to trade down, but maybe no one was willing......or maybe Carl and Herm were worried about him being taken. Either way, I think it's a solid, if unspectacular, player.

dtrain
04-29-2006, 02:36 PM
You really see us benching Hicks?
Have you not been paying attention to what Herm has been saying about playing younger players? He wants them on the field so this could be Hicks last year if he makes it thru camp.

Count Zarth
04-29-2006, 02:36 PM
Adios, Hicks.

ChiefsCountry
04-29-2006, 02:37 PM
Hey I wanted Jimmy Williams, but Hali is a darn good pick. Lawson is overrated IMO. Hali brought it everyweek in the Big Ten. We need another DE, he is the opposite of what Jared Allen does. Good pick and adding more talent to our defense.

HolmeZz
04-29-2006, 02:37 PM
Jimmy Williams is a nutcase. That said, I like him as a player.

Mecca
04-29-2006, 02:37 PM
Now when Eric Hicks is still starting this year everyone will wonder why this pick was bad.....

Mecca
04-29-2006, 02:37 PM
Jimmy Williams is a nutcase. That said, I like him as a player.

But a talented nutcase........and maybe then we can cut Greg Wesleys dumbass.

Dave Lane
04-29-2006, 02:38 PM
Maybe more like 20

Dave

The production as a pass rusher just hasn't been there. He needs to work on his pass rush moves to be more effective at getting to the quarterback. Experience is really the key for Hali. He still has a lot to learn about the game, overall, instead of strictly relying on his physical ability to help him make plays. While he did play two years at the defensive tackle position, he really didn't have the bulk or the strength to hold up at the position as a pro. He will still struggle even the even at the end position if a team decides to run right at him.

Despite his athleticism, Hali has limited pass rush moves. He makes more plays based on his ability to overpower college tackles and with his hustle. Hali also lacks the pure size to be a prime draft pick. When facing NFL sized tackles, he has shown the ability to be neutralized and taken out of plays.

Does not have great size and is a little on the short side...His timed speed is nothing to get excited about...Lacks a wide variety of pass rush moves...Has short arms and doesn't use his hands well...Can be engulfed by bigger offensive lineman and double teams...Made a lot of his plays rushing off the edge...Maxed out and probably doesn't have the frame to get much bigger than he already is.

tk13
04-29-2006, 02:38 PM
Yep and LJ's dad coached Tamba so that might have helped them make this decision
Really my initial reaction is pretty much the same to that LJ pick. Not what I was expecting but it's a well coached, productive college player who is going to come out and bust his ass and work hard to get better. I like that. No complaints from me.

Plus I personally would rather have good DE's and iffy corners over good corners and iffy DE's. Even then, Herm has a pretty good track record of drafting DB's in the later rounds, I'd bet there are guys down the road here that he's got an eye on.

Wa-Z
04-29-2006, 02:40 PM
I love this pick! Can't wait to see Tamba Hali and Jared Allen lined up...two non-stop motors! Hopefully we can get another good DT in the draft.

For those that think we should have traded down...remember last time we traded down and ended up with Siavii's fat ass instead of Olshansky??

Why take the risk?

Brock
04-29-2006, 02:40 PM
Now when Eric Hicks is still starting this year everyone will wonder why this pick was bad.....

Hicks will probably be starting on day one no matter what player was picked.

banyon
04-29-2006, 02:40 PM
BS..He was projected to be picked anywhere from 20-30.

by who?

Rausch
04-29-2006, 02:40 PM
Sure, eventually.

He's not very strong and doesn't have a lot of experience. I'm just worried he'll end up like RKal-El whatever.

JBucc
04-29-2006, 02:41 PM
Hicks will probably be starting on day one no matter what player was picked.That's was part of DV's retiring, he'd only leave if Hicks was promised the starting spot.

dirk digler
04-29-2006, 02:42 PM
by who?

Rick Gosselin picked him to be drafted by the Chiefs.

ChiefsCountry
04-29-2006, 02:42 PM
Remember Vermeil isnt here to kiss a$$ with players like Hicks. Edwards will probally show him the door.

Mecca
04-29-2006, 02:42 PM
Hicks will probably be starting on day one no matter what player was picked.

I think you should hire someone to take out Hicks.....like Tonya Harding or something.

dtrain
04-29-2006, 02:42 PM
Hicks will probably be starting on day one no matter what player was picked.

I wouldn't hold my breath on that one with the Hermster in da hizzle!

Wa-Z
04-29-2006, 02:42 PM
He's not very strong and doesn't have a lot of experience. I'm just worried he'll end up like RKal-El whatever.

I'm sure you would know this because you worked out with him...

Frankie
04-29-2006, 02:42 PM
TAMBA HALI!!!

This is the guy I've wanted for the Chiefs all along. Would I have been happier to get him around pick 30 after a trade down? Of course. But I bet he would have been snatched before that.

the Talking Can
04-29-2006, 02:43 PM
before I read the thread,my thoughts:

Hali is everything Siavi isn't....produced at a big school at a big conference, and his work ethic is unqestioned....he has come from circumstances that make him humble and hungry....he is exactly the type of guy Herm told us he'd draft...

did we reach a little? yeah...

did we fill a position of need? yeah...

how good will he be? don't know...

I'm happy with this pick...he isn't a project and we didn't draft for "potential"....

no reason to be that upset, imho

Hydrae
04-29-2006, 02:44 PM
I do not understand the whole "he was a reach, he should have gone 10 picks lower" mentality. If you do not have someone in that range to trade down with and it is a player/position you want, how is it a reach? If you don't "reach", you don't get the player you want. Just because the "experts" don't agree with the value, if it is what you need, it is a decent pick. :shrug:

Lurch
04-29-2006, 02:44 PM
Maybe more like 20

Dave

The production as a pass rusher just hasn't been there. He needs to work on his pass rush moves to be more effective at getting to the quarterback. Experience is really the key for Hali. He still has a lot to learn about the game, overall, instead of strictly relying on his physical ability to help him make plays. While he did play two years at the defensive tackle position, he really didn't have the bulk or the strength to hold up at the position as a pro. He will still struggle even the even at the end position if a team decides to run right at him.

Despite his athleticism, Hali has limited pass rush moves. He makes more plays based on his ability to overpower college tackles and with his hustle. Hali also lacks the pure size to be a prime draft pick. When facing NFL sized tackles, he has shown the ability to be neutralized and taken out of plays.

Does not have great size and is a little on the short side...His timed speed is nothing to get excited about...Lacks a wide variety of pass rush moves...Has short arms and doesn't use his hands well...Can be engulfed by bigger offensive lineman and double teams...Made a lot of his plays rushing off the edge...Maxed out and probably doesn't have the frame to get much bigger than he already is.

To be fair....

STRONG POINTSHali is a very good athlete with the quick feet, agility and burst to make plays all over the field. When he rushes the quarterback aggressively, he can jolt the offensive tackle and can either drive him backwards into the quarterback's lap or he can beat him with a very good club or swim move. Despite lacking a burst off the ball, once he gets going he has the playing speed to out race the offensive tackle around the corner. He does a good job ob playing with leverage vs. run blocks, can stack the point of attack, sheds the block and make tackles. He is very good at chasing down running plays in backside pursuit.

ATHLETIC ABILITYSection Grade: 6.5Hali is a very good athlete, which is a big reason he was a productive college defensive end despite a lack of experience at the position. He has very quick feet -- on runs away, he can accelerate to full speed in a flash and has the speed to chase down the ball carrier. He has good natural flexibility to bend his knees and play with leverage and a good base, but he does not show it consistently. His combination of very quick feet and agility help him to change directions and burst in the other direction when he keeps his knees bent and plays with leverage. He is a coordinated athlete who never loses his balance and keeps his feet vs. low blocks well. At times, however, he is robotic in his movement and does not seem natural moving and adjusting.

MENTAL ALERTNESSSection Grade: 5.5Hali is a smart young man who has remarkably good technique vs. blockers (both run blocks and rushing the quarterback) for a player who did not grow up in America. The thing that holds him back most are his lack of football instincts -- he does not explode off the ball as a pass rusher and often ends up standing still trying to identify the play before he gets moving. His high level of concentration helps him to consistently play with excellent effort on every snap despite not always knowing where to go.

banyon
04-29-2006, 02:45 PM
I'm sure you would know this because you worked out with him...


Did you miss the post about his scouting workout of 17 reps.

Weak.

Tuckdaddy
04-29-2006, 02:46 PM
Hali faceed alot tougher comp then the NC State crew. Only Mario is a bad ass, the other two only looked good in blow out games. ACC compared to the Big Ten is a joke. Big Ten is tough. This kid was very productive all the way around.

This is not a reach.

banyon
04-29-2006, 02:46 PM
To be fair....

STRONG POINTSHali is a very good athlete with the quick feet, agility and burst to make plays all over the field. When he rushes the quarterback aggressively, he can jolt the offensive tackle and can either drive him backwards into the quarterback's lap or he can beat him with a very good club or swim move. Despite lacking a burst off the ball, once he gets going he has the playing speed to out race the offensive tackle around the corner. He does a good job ob playing with leverage vs. run blocks, can stack the point of attack, sheds the block and make tackles. He is very good at chasing down running plays in backside pursuit.

ATHLETIC ABILITYSection Grade: 6.5Hali is a very good athlete, which is a big reason he was a productive college defensive end despite a lack of experience at the position. He has very quick feet -- on runs away, he can accelerate to full speed in a flash and has the speed to chase down the ball carrier. He has good natural flexibility to bend his knees and play with leverage and a good base, but he does not show it consistently. His combination of very quick feet and agility help him to change directions and burst in the other direction when he keeps his knees bent and plays with leverage. He is a coordinated athlete who never loses his balance and keeps his feet vs. low blocks well. At times, however, he is robotic in his movement and does not seem natural moving and adjusting.

MENTAL ALERTNESSSection Grade: 5.5Hali is a smart young man who has remarkably good technique vs. blockers (both run blocks and rushing the quarterback) for a player who did not grow up in America. The thing that holds him back most are his lack of football instincts -- he does not explode off the ball as a pass rusher and often ends up standing still trying to identify the play before he gets moving. His high level of concentration helps him to consistently play with excellent effort on every snap despite not always knowing where to go.

What was his 40 time out of curiosity?

dirk digler
04-29-2006, 02:47 PM
Did you miss the post about his scouting workout of 17 reps.

Weak.

As I said earlier that is fixable because NFL teams have great strength and conditioning programs.

You might have missed my response to you but Rick Gosselin picked that Tamba would be picked by the Chiefs so it wasn't a reach.

JBucc
04-29-2006, 02:47 PM
What was his 40 time out of curiosity?4.7ish if I remember right

KCChiefsFan88
04-29-2006, 02:49 PM
Reaching for a defensive lineman with a limited football background... sounds like Junior Siavii to me.

This is so typical of Peterson, reaching for a guy who has "raw potential".

I hate this pick

Mecca
04-29-2006, 02:49 PM
Tamba Halis 40 was 4.84...........

Also the ACC is better than the Big10 don't even try to say it isn't.

Mecca
04-29-2006, 02:49 PM
Reaching for a defensive lineman with a limited football background... sounds like Junior Siavii to me.

This is so typical of Peterson, reaching for a guy who has "raw potential".

I hate this pick

To be honest Hali doesn't have that much potential......most of his reports say he's "maxed out".

stevieray
04-29-2006, 02:49 PM
before I read the thread,my thoughts:

Hali is everything Siavi isn't....produced at a big school at a big conference, and his work ethic is unqestioned....he has come from circumstances that make him humble and hungry....he is exactly the type of guy Herm told us he'd draft...

did we reach a little? yeah...

did we fill a position of need? yeah...

how good will he be? don't know...

I'm happy with this pick...he isn't a project and we didn't draft for "potential"....

no reason to be that upset, imho

good post. my thoughts mirror TC's..the mitigating factor could be Krumrie.

Two motor guys on the ends? I like it.

ChiefsCountry
04-29-2006, 02:51 PM
Also the ACC is better than the Big10 don't even try to say it isn't.

Yeah right, Big Ten is a better football conference.

siberian khatru
04-29-2006, 02:51 PM
before I read the thread,my thoughts:

Hali is everything Siavi isn't....produced at a big school at a big conference, and his work ethic is unqestioned....he has come from circumstances that make him humble and hungry....he is exactly the type of guy Herm told us he'd draft...

did we reach a little? yeah...

did we fill a position of need? yeah...

how good will he be? don't know...

I'm happy with this pick...he isn't a project and we didn't draft for "potential"....

no reason to be that upset, imho


:clap:

David.
04-29-2006, 02:52 PM
he's a position of need and he has a good motor. Good enough for me.

Frankie
04-29-2006, 02:52 PM
Tamba Hali.

SR Stats:

11.0 Sacks, 65 Tackles, 17 Tackles for loss

JR Stats:

2.0 sacks, 55 Tackles, 12 tackles for loss.

Fluke, anyone?
Fluke? Why not solid stats? You just don't like this pick because you've heard he'd be available later. A lot of those assessments are manufactured by other teams who want a guy like him to slip so they can have a chance at him. I'd rather go by Joe Paterno's opinion of him that is pretty glowing. I don't have the direct quote, but didn't Coach Joe call Hali the best DE he has ever coached?

the Talking Can
04-29-2006, 02:52 PM
Tamba Halis 40 was 4.84...........

Also the ACC is better than the Big10 don't even try to say it isn't.

since we didn't draft an injured project like Cromartie are you going to go "gochiefs" on Hali?

Mecca
04-29-2006, 02:53 PM
Yeah right, Big Ten is a better football conference.

Are you saying that with a straight face.....honestly. Why don't you run through the talent on those teams and how good those teams are and get back to me.......

Mecca
04-29-2006, 02:54 PM
since we didn't draft an injured project like Cromartie are you going to go "gochiefs" on Hali?

No because Cromartie wasn't there but I still think it was reaching a bit to high for a pick. Funny how we didn't even have a chance to pick Cromartie but that's obviously my reason for being upset about the pick, I just think it was crappy value.

tk13
04-29-2006, 02:54 PM
I was going to say I think the 40 time is of secondary importance because I don't know how many times Hali will have to sprint 40 yards into the backfield to chase down a QB, but then I remembered Aaron Brooks is in our division now.

Frosty
04-29-2006, 02:54 PM
since we didn't draft an injured project like Cromartie are you going to go "gochiefs" on Hali?

He started weeks ago.

Tribal Warfare
04-29-2006, 02:55 PM
I'm not disappointed in the pick, because I thought it would be either Lawson or Hali. Though KC could of attained Hali in a trade down

dirk digler
04-29-2006, 02:55 PM
I was going to say I think the 40 time is of secondary importance because I don't know how many times Hali will have to sprint 40 yards into the backfield to chase down a QB, but then I remembered Aaron Brooks is in our division now.

ROFL

banyon
04-29-2006, 02:55 PM
As I said earlier that is fixable because NFL teams have great strength and conditioning programs.

You might have missed my response to you but Rick Gosselin picked that Tamba would be picked by the Chiefs so it wasn't a reach.

yeah I missed that.

How often do guys dramatically increase their strength?

that's a real question not sarcasm.

FAX
04-29-2006, 02:55 PM
I like this pick.

Assuming he turns out to be an excellent, play-disrupting, pass-rushing, run-stuffing, bootleg-stopping, NFL DE.

FAX

Mecca
04-29-2006, 02:56 PM
If the Chiefs didn't pick Hali he'd still be on the board right now.......

Brock
04-29-2006, 02:57 PM
If the Chiefs didn't pick Hali he'd still be on the board right now.......

There is no way you can know that.....

the Talking Can
04-29-2006, 02:57 PM
40 doesn't mean shit..no runs a 40 during a football game...believe your eyes, not a workout in shorts

that's what Edwards said he would do...I give him credit for being consistent, we'll see how it works out...I'm excited

Mecca
04-29-2006, 02:58 PM
I'm just being a little sarcastic since I'm getting a nice reaction of "oh you don't like the pick cause you wanted Cromartie". Even though if you'd take 2 seconds to realize he wasn't there when we picked how can I be pissed about that?

I just don't think Hali is a good pick at 20.

Cochise
04-29-2006, 02:58 PM
Well, you knew someone was going to start the thread.

dirk digler
04-29-2006, 02:58 PM
yeah I missed that.

How often do guys dramatically increase their strength?

that's a real question not sarcasm.

Cmon banyon do you think every veteran NFL player is the same weight and has the same strength as when they were drafted?

the Talking Can
04-29-2006, 02:59 PM
If the Chiefs didn't pick Jared Allen he'd still be on the board right now.......

what the **** is your point? who cares what other teams think....look who passed on LJ....

Bwana
04-29-2006, 03:00 PM
I like the pick. He will need a little fine tuning, but will be worth it in the end. On a side note, if it gets the overrated Hicks down the road, that's a bonus.

JBucc
04-29-2006, 03:01 PM
at least we didn't take Kiwi

Cochise
04-29-2006, 03:03 PM
If we had picked Lawson, someone would have been irate at picking a 240lb defensive end. If Cromartie had been there, someone would have been irate about picking someone with no game experience to judge him by. If we had gone offense, the server would still be down from the meltdown.

As if Eric Hicks starting opening day will prove anything. If we had gone corner Lenny Walls would still be starting on opening day. And none of the other DEs available to us would have started opening day either.

I will go ahead and draw parallel to the Larry Johnson meltdown... and bookmark this. Maybe I will bump everytime he makes a play... Keep f*cking doubting Tamba

dirk digler
04-29-2006, 03:04 PM
If we had picked Lawson, someone would have been irate at picking a 240lb defensive end. If Cromartie had been there, someone would have been irate about picking someone with no game experience to judge him by. If we had gone offense, the server would still be down from the meltdown.

As if Eric Hicks starting opening day will prove anything. If we had gone corner Lenny Walls would still be starting on opening day. And none of the other DEs available to us would have started opening day either.

I will go ahead and draw parallel to the Larry Johnson meltdown... and bookmark this.

:clap:

Totally 100% agree

Priestgets30TDs
04-29-2006, 03:04 PM
Maybe it's not as big of a reach as I thought. The Giants probably would have taken Hali.

Frankie
04-29-2006, 03:04 PM
You really see us benching Hicks?
Yes, gradually. Remember Vermeil is not the HC anymore. Hicks will be a hell of a quality depth at DE.

Cochise
04-29-2006, 03:06 PM
Yes, gradually. Remember Vermeil is not the HC anymore. Hicks will be a hell of a quality depth at DE.

Everybody says Hicks is a lazyass, that's one thing that Hali is not. If someone was going to outwork him we have someone who can do it.

DaKCMan AP
04-29-2006, 03:06 PM
We need help at DE. Hali was the #2 DE on the Chiefs draft board. I'm not upset by the pick at all.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-29-2006, 04:00 PM
This pick was a slight reach, but it wasn't a Donte Whitner, Junior Siavii, Bobby Carpenter reach. We had a need and we filled it. It would have been nice if we could have traded down to 26 and gotten him and picked up a 3rd, but we didn't. I'm still hoping we can get Darnell Bing.

TrickyNicky
04-29-2006, 04:00 PM
HALI BOM-BA-YE!

I like the pick. Most of the name DE's would've been upgrades IMO. If Hali can go most of the downs, even better.

58-4ever
04-29-2006, 04:02 PM
I was a Hali supporter as well. I saw Penn St. play 4 times last year, and I was impressed each time. Now, I want a playmaking safety.

Coach
04-29-2006, 04:04 PM
Just a little info for some of you that don't know who Hali is or what he accomplished in 2005 at Penn State but are slightly depressed because the "experts" dropped him to a 2nd round choice based on an average Pro Day workout:

1st Team All American, Walter Camp All-America team, Named the Big Ten lineman of the Year by the conference's coaches, Led the Big Ten leading 11 sacks, 65 tackles and 17 tackles for a loss, Made key sack of OSU QB Troy Smith in their matchup which helped PSU win it's first Big Ten title since 1994, Finalist for the Nagurski Award and the second highest rated Defensive End in the 2005 NFL draft.

Based on his 11 sack season in the Big Ten last year and being a 1st team All American at his position in 2005 the ONLY REASON that he wasn't a top ten pick was because of his workouts.

To by quite honest, I don't care if he runs a 10 flat forty if the guy can pull 11 sacks in a 14 game season.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-29-2006, 04:05 PM
We need Darnell Bing or Ko Simpson

GoHuge
04-29-2006, 04:10 PM
I like the pick. I want to see a football player instead of another project like Saivii with upside.

TEX
04-29-2006, 04:10 PM
Maybe it's not as big of a reach as I thought. The Giants probably would have taken Hali.

Not the best reasoning when you consider who they took.

banyon
04-29-2006, 04:10 PM
I like the pick. I want to see a football player instead of another project like Saivii with upside.

that's great then, because the scouts say this guy has already maxed out his potential.

HolmeZz
04-29-2006, 04:13 PM
that's great then, because the scouts say this guy has already maxed out his potential.

Tamba Hali is Jared Allen, with a little less skill rushing the passer but a good deal better against the run.

Ebolapox
04-29-2006, 04:14 PM
I still don't understand how casual fans seem to "know" when players should be selected.

ya know, everyone just KNEW reggie bush would go first overall for most of the offseason...yeah, he didn't

everyone KNEW leinart would go ahead of vince young most of the offseason...yeah, he didn't

everyone KNEW winston justice would be a middle first rounder...yeah, he wasn't

personally, I like the pick--seems like a good kid, and let's face it...y'all are complaining about a guy who'll replace eric f*cking hicks?!?

keg in kc
04-29-2006, 04:15 PM
He's who I expected us to take. I actually think that he went lower than he should have because some of the online "experts" put too much stock in his workout numbers as opposed to his work on the field and dropped him in their mocks.

(JMO, but I think sometimes people put a little too much stock in guys who run sites who generally have no more valid inside information than we do. John Clayton is one thing. Jo Blow at draftbrainz.net is something else...)

I don't know that the draft could've gone better for us in terms of the way that it played out; we had our pick of Hali and Lawson (and whoever the Chiefs "third choice" was) and we're going to get someone good at 54.

Frosty
04-29-2006, 04:16 PM
that's great then, because the scouts say this guy has already maxed out his potential.

Really? Who said that? Do you have a link?

Ebolapox
04-29-2006, 04:17 PM
and honestly...some of you guys are acting like we're the fuggin' buffalo bills all of the sudden...now THOSE guys are IDIOTS

banyon
04-29-2006, 04:17 PM
Tamba Hali is Jared Allen, with a little less skill rushing the passer but a good deal better against the run.

so we could've gotten this guy in the 4th? :spock:

TEX
04-29-2006, 04:19 PM
He's who I expected us to take. I actually think that he went lower than he should have because some of the online "experts" put too much stock in his workout numbers as opposed to his work on the field and dropped him in their mocks.

(JMO, but I think sometimes people put a little too much stock in guys who run sites who generally have no more valid inside information than we do. John Clayton is one thing. Jo Blow at draftbrainz.net is something else...)

I don't know that the draft could've gone better for us in terms of the way that it played out; we had our pick of Hali and Lawson (and whoever the Chiefs "third choice" was) and we're going to get someone good at 54.

I totally agree.

HolmeZz
04-29-2006, 04:19 PM
so we could've gotten this guy in the 4th? :spock:

If we re-drafted the '04 draft, Jared Allen wouldn't go in the 4th. Allen's 4th round status had much more to do with him playing at a small school than it did him just not having talent.

1punkyQB
04-29-2006, 04:24 PM
Chris Gocong might be another Jared Allen. Buck Buchanan award winner like Jared, incredibly productive rushing the passer at that level. And a round 2 or 3 guy. http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/buchanan_history.htm

banyon
04-29-2006, 04:27 PM
If we re-drafted the '04 draft, Jared Allen wouldn't go in the 4th. Allen's 4th round status had much more to do with him playing at a small school than it did him just not having talent.

If we redrafted this draft with someone besides CeePee, Hali wouldn't have gone at twenty, we would've gone down to 28 or 30 and gotten him.

And even if her were somehow snapped up, then we still could've landed Jimmy Williams, Santonio Holmes, Chad Jackson, or Winston Justice, who I bet will all turn out to be better pros than Hali.

Thig Lyfe
04-29-2006, 04:37 PM
I wanted Santonio Holmes, but I think this was still a pretty good pick as it filled a more urgent need.

Bwana
04-29-2006, 04:37 PM
so we could've gotten this guy in the 4th? :spock:

:shake:

banyon
04-29-2006, 04:40 PM
:shake:

please refer to two posts before yours

thanks :)

Chiefs Express
04-29-2006, 04:40 PM
I still don't understand how casual fans seem to "know" when players should be selected.

I don't understand how any fan seems to think that they know better than the Chiefs what they want in the draft. I'm sure their opinion may seem objectionable in their eyes, but if we were all that good we'd be working for some NFL team somewhere in the system.

HolmeZz
04-29-2006, 04:41 PM
If we redrafted this draft with someone besides CeePee, Hali wouldn't have gone at twenty, we would've gone down to 28 or 30 and gotten him.

And even if her were somehow snapped up, then we still could've landed Jimmy Williams, Santonio Holmes, Chad Jackson, or Winston Justice, who I bet will all turn out to be better pros than Hali.

First off, how do you know anyone wanted to trade with us?

And maybe we thought so highly of Hali that we didn't want to trade down and risk losing him.

KCChiefsMan
04-29-2006, 04:41 PM
I'm not upset with the pick, he has his priorities straight and is a pass rusher which we really need! It's better than just accepting Hicks for another year

jlscorpio
04-29-2006, 04:42 PM
I'm ok with the pick. I prefer Hali over Lawson. Football is not a track meet or a weightlifting contest. Its hand-to-hand combat in the trenches, and he who wants it more gets to the QB.
It was a slight reach at most. If the player you want is available, DRAFT HIS AZZ!!!

banyon
04-29-2006, 04:44 PM
First off, how do you know anyone wanted to trade with us?
And maybe we thought so highly of Hali that we didn't want to trade down and risk losing him.

I think we know where to point that finger.

HemiEd
04-29-2006, 04:45 PM
I do not understand the whole "he was a reach, he should have gone 10 picks lower" mentality. If you do not have someone in that range to trade down with and it is a player/position you want, how is it a reach? If you don't "reach", you don't get the player you want. Just because the "experts" don't agree with the value, if it is what you need, it is a decent pick. :shrug:

I am no draft expert like some, but I like the pick even though its not a sexy one.

Coach
04-29-2006, 04:47 PM
I am no draft expert like some, but I like the pick even though its not a sexy one.

Yeah, I agree. It may have not been a sexy one, but it could have been a hell alot worse.

Calcountry
04-29-2006, 04:48 PM
I've just accepted that every pick will be labelled a reach.Only the Jets and Giants don't reach.

This thing is held in NY after all.

dirk digler
04-29-2006, 04:49 PM
First off, how do you know anyone wanted to trade with us?

And maybe we thought so highly of Hali that we didn't want to trade down and risk losing him.

Yep. CP actually said this during their PC after the pick. They had 1 trade offer but they didn't want to make it because they were afraid he wouldn't be there.

OldTownChief
04-29-2006, 04:55 PM
since we didn't draft an injured project like Cromartie are you going to go "gochiefs" on Hali?

I'm happy with the pick. I was scared shitless we'd go for Cromartie and glad to see him go at 19.

Rudy lost the toss
04-29-2006, 04:57 PM
If the Chiefs didn't pick Hali he'd still be on the board right now.......
and if they picked Williams, we would have never known that the chiefs could have traded down to the second round (but im sure most of the draft experts like yourself would have praised a Williams pick). the DE class is poor this year IMO and Hali is a great pick at a position of need.

TRR
04-29-2006, 05:33 PM
It doesn't matter who KC drafts, at least one idiot will be on here complaining about it.

I'm good with the Hali pick. He's reminded me of Jared Allen from the start. I high motor guy that has some things to work on. You can't teach effort and both Allen and Hali have that.

I think I'll trust Herman Edwards decision on a DE over posters on this board.

Tribal Warfare
04-29-2006, 05:36 PM
Yep. CP actually said this during their PC after the pick. They had 1 trade offer but they didn't want to make it because they were afraid he wouldn't be there.


that was my assumption also when KC picked up Hali

banyon
04-29-2006, 05:44 PM
It doesn't matter who KC drafts, at least one idiot will be on here complaining about it.

Some idiot will always be on here defending the pick too. Check out Benny Pollard thread, which is even more indefensible than this pick.

Bwana
04-29-2006, 06:04 PM
Heh! There is going to be some great cut and paste signature material from this thread in the future.

Demonpenz
04-29-2006, 06:06 PM
.

TRR
04-29-2006, 06:40 PM
Some idiot will always be on here defending the pick too. Check out Benny Pollard thread, which is even more indefensible than this pick.

Whatever. You had people whining about picking Derrick Johnson last draft, and trading a 2nd round pick for a Pro Bowl CB in Surtain. You mean to tell me that Pollard is already a bad pick? According to who? You don't know anymore about Pollard then the rest of us. As I said before, I think I'll take Herman Edwards opinion of a DB (considering he played in the DB in the NFL and all..) over anyone on this board.

Ari Chi3fs
04-29-2006, 06:42 PM
I should change my name to Hali Chi3fs

Count Zarth
04-29-2006, 06:46 PM
I should change my name to Hali Chi3fs

Awesome.

keg in kc
04-29-2006, 06:47 PM
Then we could change ultra peanut to Hali-tosis.

Tribal Warfare
04-29-2006, 06:47 PM
I should change my name to Hali Chi3fs

I concur

milkman
04-29-2006, 06:58 PM
Then we could change ultra peanut to Hali-tosis.

Or Hali Berry

keg in kc
04-29-2006, 06:59 PM
Oh, that's good.

MNchief
04-29-2006, 07:04 PM
They had a great quote from Hali on the NFL Network. Someone had asked him if there was anything he likes more than sacking the QB. He said "sacking him again".


That's awesome.

I may be getting a little warmed up on Hali. I just think that we should have taken whatever trade was out there... and got him then anyway, or a WR or a CB...

htismaqe
04-29-2006, 08:18 PM
Tamba Hali.

SR Stats:

11.0 Sacks, 65 Tackles, 17 Tackles for loss

JR Stats:

2.0 sacks, 55 Tackles, 12 tackles for loss.

Fluke, anyone?

ROFL

You post sacks, tackles, and tackles for loss.

And then you IGNORE the last 2 stats and focus solely on sacks.

ROFL

htismaqe
04-29-2006, 08:18 PM
Look at this comment.........

wow from scoutsdominate.com "What a reach by the chiefs, no wonder they haven't won a playoff game in 20 years"

And we should trust their opinion on Hali why?

They can't even subtract. 2006 minus 1993 is THIRTEEN, not 20.

banyon
04-29-2006, 08:20 PM
Whatever. You had people whining about picking Derrick Johnson last draft, and trading a 2nd round pick for a Pro Bowl CB in Surtain. .

I was not one of those people. Last year was the first good draft we've had in a long time.

I've got nothing against Pollard personally, he just duplicates positions that we already have (SS) and doesn't fill our extreme need (CB)

banyon
04-29-2006, 08:22 PM
ROFL

You post sacks, tackles, and tackles for loss.

And then you IGNORE the last 2 stats and focus solely on sacks.

ROFL

earlier in the thread someone explains that he switched from DT to DE.

that makes some sense I guess.

Just think we could've had him 10 picks later, and even if we couldn't have, we would've gotten someone of similar talent to fill a need.

Bwana
04-29-2006, 08:30 PM
Just think we could've had him 10 picks later, and even if we couldn't have, we would've gotten someone of similar talent to fill a need.

How in the hell do you know that? I think I just figured out who you really are.

banyon
04-29-2006, 08:33 PM
How in the hell do you know that? I think I just figured out who you really are.
I think you missed this post the 1st time too.

And even if her were somehow snapped up, then we still could've landed Jimmy Williams, Santonio Holmes, Chad Jackson, or Winston Justice, who I bet will all turn out to be better pros than Hali

Coach
04-29-2006, 08:37 PM
Let me point out that I remember seeing this same exact thing when we drafted Larry Johnson a few years ago.

I also notice that some of those same people were riding his dick towards victory lane several times last season.

TRR
04-29-2006, 08:48 PM
I was not one of those people. Last year was the first good draft we've had in a long time.

I've got nothing against Pollard personally, he just duplicates positions that we already have (SS) and doesn't fill our extreme need (CB)

I'm not sure CB is more of a need than a safety is. Even if KC were to draft Youboty, he would be lucky to play as a dime CB. I'm not sure he could beat out Walls, Battle, Sapp, Johnson, Hodge, etc. At least not immediately. Same goes for Pollard. Obviously there was a need for some CB depth, and a need for some safety depth. The KC war room must have felt that Pollard as the safety depth was better than Youboty being a Dime or Quarter CB.

You have to understand that Pollard is a phenom on special teams according to most. Maybe they felt Pollard brings more instant impact to the present?

Bwana
04-29-2006, 08:50 PM
I think you missed this post the 1st time too.

No, no I didn't. I just want to give the guy a chance before sticking a fork in him. :shrug:

Coach
04-29-2006, 08:52 PM
No, no I didn't. I just want to give the guy a chance before sticking a fork in him. :shrug:

Exactly. I learned my lesson when LJ did got his chance.

banyon
04-29-2006, 08:55 PM
I'm not sure CB is more of a need than a safety is. Even if KC were to draft Youboty, he would be lucky to play as a dime CB. I'm not sure he could beat out Walls, Battle, Sapp, Johnson, Hodge, etc. At least not immediately. Same goes for Pollard. Obviously there was a need for some CB depth, and a need for some safety depth. The KC war room must have felt that Pollard as the safety depth was better than Youboty being a Dime or Quarter CB.

You have to understand that Pollard is a phenom on special teams according to most. Maybe they felt Pollard brings more instant impact to the present?

We shouldn't be drafting special teamers in the 2nd round. That's what the fifth round is for.

TRR
04-29-2006, 08:57 PM
We shouldn't be drafting special teamers in the 2nd round. That's what the fifth round is for.

Most 2nd rounders always come in and play Special Teams. You missed the point however....Youboty or Pollard, they both are just depth for the time being.

Simply Red
04-29-2006, 09:01 PM
40 doesn't mean shit..no runs a 40 during a football game...believe your eyes, not a workout in shorts

that's what Edwards said he would do...I give him credit for being consistent, we'll see how it works out...I'm excited.

Well Done t.T.C!

banyon
04-29-2006, 09:04 PM
Most 2nd rounders always come in and play Special Teams. You missed the point however....Youboty or Pollard, they both are just depth for the time being.

moving up like ATL did and taking Jimmy Williams wouldn't have been depth. He'd have started for us, hell he'll probably start for ATL.

MahiMike
04-29-2006, 09:06 PM
What's your problem dude? We pick #20. Reach or not, I'm stoked we got this guy. I'm glad they went D-line first instead of CB.

htismaqe
04-29-2006, 09:08 PM
What's your problem dude? We pick #20. Reach or not, I'm stoked we got this guy. I'm glad they went D-line first instead of CB.

This happens every year.

It's usually deserved, but I really think they did well this year.

J Diddy
04-29-2006, 09:09 PM
We shouldn't be drafting special teamers in the 2nd round. That's what the fifth round is for.


Did you happen to watch our special teams last year?

banyon
04-29-2006, 09:10 PM
What's your problem dude? We pick #20. Reach or not, I'm stoked we got this guy. I'm glad they went D-line first instead of CB.

It is a bit of a reflex that has been indoctrinated over the years.

I'm calming down a bit, by my fear at CB is still making me a little paranoid.

MNchief
04-29-2006, 09:10 PM
Or Hali Berry


Of if he's a bust, or gets into legal trouble....

Hali Burton.

Ultra Peanut
04-29-2006, 09:30 PM
Tamba Hali.

SR Stats:

11.0 Sacks, 65 Tackles, 17 Tackles for loss

JR Stats:

2.0 sacks, 55 Tackles, 12 tackles for loss.

Fluke, anyone?Alias is a SHOW about a spy! :eek:

bringbackmarty
04-29-2006, 09:35 PM
dont be afraid, thats what law is for. hali is a great pick. so is pollard. lack of a trade partner may have prevented us from getting a better cornerback or baa, but these picks are fine considering the run on defense in the first two rounds. I like pollards size, hali is a bit short but what a motor, and croyle will be efficient in our offense if we work to minimize his mistakes and bring him along slowly. We do not need croyle to be joe montana II to win football games, it would be nice, but we can pound theopposing defense into meat with l.j.

Iowanian
04-29-2006, 10:46 PM
"they" said Dwight Freeney was too small for DE.
"they" said Jared Allen was too weak because he did less reps in the bench press than Hali".

|Zach|
04-29-2006, 10:49 PM
"they" said it wasn't herpes.

wait.

where is the delete button.

|Zach|
04-29-2006, 10:50 PM
I feel great about today.

I really do believe it is a fun time to be a fan of this team.

Iowanian
04-29-2006, 10:52 PM
"They" should stop speaking in a muffled tone due to cranial-rectal inversion.

Ultra Peanut
04-29-2006, 10:56 PM
"they" said Dwight Freeney was too small for DE.
"they" said Jared Allen was too weak because he did less reps in the bench press than Hali".Hell, "they" didn't even know who Jared Allen was three years ago.

This is a really, really exciting draft so far.

Iowanian
04-29-2006, 10:58 PM
I'm liking it.
I'm not liking Denver landing an unmentioned WR, I'm not liking Huff in Oakland.....

It'll be a year before we have any clue as to the value of today, and 3 years before we have a legitimate grade on the draft.

Tomorrow could be Supah!

arrowhead20
04-29-2006, 11:33 PM
hell, Jered Allen was a nobody and now everyone loves him, Hali has the same kind of style, what w/ a awesome motor and good size, he could end up being better than Allen for all we know, I like it and i'll give the guy a shot for a few years .

Moooo
04-30-2006, 12:26 AM
One great thing about him (which may have been addressed and looked over by me) is that he's still learning by leaps and bounds, having not been familiar with the game as long as most draftees. Plus, anyone who saw his bit on ESPN will know this is NOT the guy who will lose his work ethic once hitting the NFL. This guy's seen horrors 99.9% of Americans could only dream of or watch on TV. He will never take his talent for granted or be satisfied with mediocrity, IMO.

Every year I hear the analysts say the difference between an allstar and a regular player is desire and passion, two things that this player should have in every sense of the word.

Moooo

ChiefsFanatic
04-30-2006, 01:13 AM
On the NFL Network, they showed Hali getting stoned by any big tackle who got his hands on him. Even tackles that were projected to go late on the second day seemed to stop him.

Otter
04-30-2006, 01:23 AM
On the NFL Network, they showed Hali getting stoned by any big tackle who got his hands on him. Even tackles that were projected to go late on the second day seemed to stop him.

Psssst Hali...wanna bong hit?

kaplin42
04-30-2006, 02:11 AM
You know what, we needed a pass rusher. This guy is a good one. Pass defense begins and ends with the rush. I swear we could of drafted Jesus Christ himself and some of you would complain that we took him too soon. It is what it is, and I think we took a very safe, solid pick at #20.

ChiefsFanatic
04-30-2006, 02:14 AM
You know what, we needed a pass rusher. This guy is a good one. Pass defense begins and ends with the rush. I swear we could of drafted Jesus Christ himself and some of you would complain that we took him too soon. It is what it is, and I think we took a very safe, solid pick at #20.

There was a reason that most draft insiders had him slotted to go in the second round.

|Zach|
04-30-2006, 02:17 AM
There was a reason that most draft insiders had him slotted to go in the second round.
I imagine it was the empirical nature of the draft.

Rausch
04-30-2006, 02:18 AM
There was a reason that most draft insiders had him slotted to go in the second round.

And there's a reason that gal in your avatar is still on the show.
Boobies and blowjob fantasies.

While I hate the pick I'm not going to give a fat frog's ass what "insiders" thought about it...

Rausch
04-30-2006, 02:19 AM
I imagine it was the empirical nature of the draft.
ROFL

kaplin42
04-30-2006, 02:20 AM
There was a reason that most draft insiders had him slotted to go in the second round.

They also said Reggie Bush would be pick #1. Any before 9:15 A.M. PST on draft day is nothing but speculation. This was a solid pick. It gives offenses someone else to worry about other than J. Allen. I don't care what any of you nay sayers say, this could help us in a major way.

|Zach|
04-30-2006, 02:23 AM
But the Insider's said...

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/images/photos4.18/7245_512.jpg

ChiefsFanatic
04-30-2006, 02:25 AM
They also said Reggie Bush would be pick #1. Any before 9:15 A.M. PST on draft day is nothing but speculation. This was a solid pick. It gives offenses someone else to worry about other than J. Allen. I don't care what any of you nay sayers say, this could help us in a major way.

I really do hope that he becomes a great player. I only saw him in college a couple of times, and on the NFL network. I just didn't see a first round draft pick. But I am obviously no expert.

I love the Chiefs, and desperately want them to win a SB before I die. With CP as the GM, that will never happen. [Please Carl, make me eat those words.]

Rausch
04-30-2006, 02:29 AM
My problem is with his strength. He gets mauled vs. anyone with a big body.

Against the best in the senior work outs he looked like TP vs. Tequilla shits...

kaplin42
04-30-2006, 02:32 AM
I really do hope that he becomes a great player. I only saw him in college a couple of times, and on the NFL network. I just didn't see a first round draft pick. But I am obviously no expert.

I love the Chiefs, and desperately want them to win a SB before I die. With CP as the GM, that will never happen. [Please Carl, make me eat those words.]


This I can't help but agree with you on. But I think rnd 1 and rnd 2 were good picks, and filled holes that needed filling desperately.

All I want for is for the offense to hold on one more year, and for once our defense to stand up for themselves. Tired of a pansy ass defense that no one respects. Maybe Hali and Allen become one of the most feared DE duos in the league with a LB crew to back them up, assuming Bell realises that he is playing football and decides to do something about it.

tk13
04-30-2006, 02:34 AM
My problem is with his strength. He gets mauled vs. anyone with a big body.

Against the best in the senior work outs he looked like TP vs. Tequilla shits...
You can increase strength. You can't increase intensity.

Sure-Oz
04-30-2006, 02:36 AM
You can increase strength. You can't increase intensity.
Exactly, this kid sounds like he has a real good head on his shoulders, he can gain more muscle and become a badass, esp since his head seems to be in the right place. He isn't a lazy jerkoff like some Dlineman we know.

Rausch
04-30-2006, 02:37 AM
You can increase strength. You can't increase intensity.

Your 1st round pick should be a luxury car.

You should be able to sit down, relax, and be comfortable.

I don't feel that way.

kregger
04-30-2006, 02:40 AM
let's see how he practices against Roaf before we write his NFL obit.

Rausch
04-30-2006, 02:43 AM
let's see how he-

Seems fair...

tk13
04-30-2006, 02:54 AM
Your 1st round pick should be a luxury car.

You should be able to sit down, relax, and be comfortable.

I don't feel that way.
I don't know about that... not how far down we picked. Heck, a lot of people wanted Cromartie... he went the pick before ours, and he is 10 times the project Hali is. I actually thought that's what this pick was, the most safe and comfortable pick. Not a Cromartie who still just needs reps, to a guy like Lawson who only weighs 240. I think Hali was a very "safe" pick.

Sure-Oz
04-30-2006, 02:57 AM
Lawson is probably another Sims, who benefited from a monster on that line. Cromartie hasnt played sicne when?

ChiefsFanatic
04-30-2006, 02:59 AM
Lawson is probably another Sims, who benefited from a monster on that line. Cromartie hasnt played sicne when?

I agree, but he will be moving to LB in the NFL.

Rausch
04-30-2006, 03:02 AM
I don't know about that... not how far down we picked. Heck, a lot of people wanted Cromartie... he went the pick before ours, and he is 10 times the project Hali is. I actually thought that's what this pick was, the most safe and comfortable pick. Not a Cromartie who still just needs reps, to a guy like Lawson who only weighs 240. I think Hali was a very "safe" pick.

Ok, now yer just throwing beans at me across the table...

kaplin42
04-30-2006, 03:04 AM
Ok, now yer just throwing beans at me across the table...


Actually I agree with tk13. At that point you can get great players still, but this was a solid pick. The guy is smart, and has a motor, and has some physical talent. Strength can be improved. Allen isnt the strongest of guys, but he is a monster, why?

Rausch
04-30-2006, 03:39 AM
Actually I agree with tk13. At that point you can get great players still, but this was a solid pick. The guy is smart, and has a motor, and has some physical talent. Strength can be improved. Allen isnt the strongest of guys, but he is a monster, why?

I don't like being the guy to argue against the underdog, it's just not me.

I hope he proves me wrong.

How's that? :)

Tactical Funky
04-30-2006, 03:53 AM
I think Hali (along with Allen) will really kick up the play of everyone on the D-line.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see how he pans out, huh?

greg63
04-30-2006, 04:45 AM
I think Hali (along with Allen) will really kick up the play of everyone on the D-line.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see how he pans out, huh?


Nah, haven't you heard Herm's gonna trade him for Ty Law.

milkman
04-30-2006, 05:57 AM
You know what, we needed a pass rusher. This guy is a good one. Pass defense begins and ends with the rush. I swear we could of drafted Jesus Christ himself and some of you would complain that we took him too soon. It is what it is, and I think we took a very safe, solid pick at #20.

He's a pacifist, and wouldn't lay the wood!

milkman
04-30-2006, 05:59 AM
One great thing about him (which may have been addressed and looked over by me) is that he's still learning by leaps and bounds, having not been familiar with the game as long as most draftees. Plus, anyone who saw his bit on ESPN will know this is NOT the guy who will lose his work ethic once hitting the NFL. This guy's seen horrors 99.9% of Americans could only dream of or watch on TV. He will never take his talent for granted or be satisfied with mediocrity, IMO.

Every year I hear the analysts say the difference between an allstar and a regular player is desire and passion, two things that this player should have in every sense of the word.

Moooo

It's gonna be hard to take a post by someone named "Mooo" seriously, but nice post, n00b.

I agree.

old_geezer
04-30-2006, 06:00 AM
I think Hali (along with Allen) will really kick up the play of everyone on the D-line.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see how he pans out, huh?


I don't think God with a bull-whip could "kick up the play" of Sims or See-a-v. On the other hand I can live with the pick. Going into the draft I was just hoping for anyone besides a midget CB (see Tye Hill) trying to cover the likes of Randy Moss.

Tactical Funky
04-30-2006, 06:00 AM
Nah, haven't you heard Herms gonna trade him for Ty Law.
:shake:



o:-)

Tactical Funky
04-30-2006, 06:01 AM
He's a pacifist, and wouldn't lay the wood!
ROFL

Tactical Funky
04-30-2006, 06:03 AM
I don't think God with a bull-whip could "kick up the play" of Sims or See-a-v. On the other hand I can live with the pick. Going into the draft I was just hoping for anyone besides a midget CB (see Tye Hill) trying to cover the likes of Randy Moss.
Haha...

Yeah, Hill is very athletic but against taller receivers he's a definite liability - then again, the entire KC secondary is a liability (with a few notable exceptions, of course).

I like what I've seen from Hali and I think he'll be quite productive for us. :hmmm:

Bwana
04-30-2006, 07:47 AM
I don't think God with a bull-whip could "kick up the play" of Sims or See-a-v. On the other hand I can live with the pick. Going into the draft I was just hoping for anyone besides a midget CB (see Tye Hill) trying to cover the likes of Randy Moss.

No kidding! I remember when we had "Mighty Mouse" back in the day and how he would get spanked for winning touchdowns on a regular basis. :shake: Oh how I hated that little bastard. :cuss: I can't remember which game it was, but he got smoked for a TD at the end of one of the games and cost me a new TV set. I was so pissed off that I tossed the remote at the TV and inploded it. WTF, I was due for a new one, but now I have a nice 65 inch and don't need another five foot two inch CB putting it in harms way. :p

Cochise
04-30-2006, 09:28 AM
Your 1st round pick should be a luxury car.

You should be able to sit down, relax, and be comfortable.

I don't feel that way.

I didn't see any of those complete players with no drawbacks or knocks on them at all sitting there waiting for us at #20.

Cochise
04-30-2006, 09:32 AM
I don't think God with a bull-whip could "kick up the play" of Sims or See-a-v. On the other hand I can live with the pick. Going into the draft I was just hoping for anyone besides a midget CB (see Tye Hill) trying to cover the likes of Randy Moss.

Tye Hill is not a midget. He's 5'10".

Ty Law lists at 5'11".
Patrick Surtain lists at 5'11".

Are people aware that not every good NFL cornerback is 6'6"?

buddha
04-30-2006, 09:39 AM
Of course...every pick is either a reach or a bust for most of the clowns around here.

There is always a website with another clown who knows equally little about each of these guys to confirm all doubts.

Look at the young man's production. He's an All-American playing DE at Penn State. I'd say there's a decent chance he will be better than most of you think he will be.

However, I know that is matters less than being able to say a year from now..."see, I told all of you that Hali would suck...!"

chiefsfan1963
04-30-2006, 09:41 AM
as usual chiefs are always in a pickle during the draft b/c they are just good enough to place them out of reach of the better players during each round. 20th pick suxs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

given where we are in the draft pure luck plays a big part of who we get and if he'll make a difference in the short run and long run. Larry Johnson is a great example of this.

Cochise
04-30-2006, 09:44 AM
Of course...every pick is either a reach or a bust for most of the clowns around here.

There is always a website with another clown who knows equally little about each of these guys to confirm all doubts.

Look at the young man's production. He's an All-American playing DE at Penn State. I'd say there's a decent chance he will be better than most of you think he will be.

However, I know that is matters less than being able to say a year from now..."see, I told all of you that Hali would suck...!"

Exactly. He was a 1st team all American, he has at least something to offer.

It's a lot easier to run to the computer sniffling and snorting, hoping desperately to be the first guy to post a Damnit Carl :cuss: thread. If Tamba turns into a bust, you can say "seeeeeee!!!! I told youuuu!!!!". But if he turns out to be great, you just get away with "eh, I'm glad I was wrong."

SLAG
04-30-2006, 09:47 AM
We can Bump this thread after Tamba Registers his first 3 sacks, I hope wright is Shakin in his boots

Frosty
04-30-2006, 09:50 AM
I hope Kitna is Shakin in his boots

We play Detroit this year?

Swanman
04-30-2006, 09:51 AM
Exactly. He was a 1st team all American, he has at least something to offer.

It's a lot easier to run to the computer sniffling and snorting, hoping desperately to be the first guy to post a Damnit Carl :cuss: thread. If Tamba turns into a bust, you can say "seeeeeee!!!! I told youuuu!!!!". But if he turns out to be great, you just get away with "eh, I'm glad I was wrong."

I'll take a first-team All-American out of the Big 10leven at #20 most of the time, so I'm happy with the pick. I'm sick of guys slipping in the draft when no games are being played. This guy was rated as high as a top 10 pick right after the college season and then slipped during the workouts. If the workout numbers are so important, then tons of hall-of-famers wouldn't have seen an NFL field. It's one thing to be strong and fast, it's another to be able to play the game of football.

tiptap
04-30-2006, 10:01 AM
The Chief's improve statistically and visually on run defense. The passing game though was hampered by a lack of a pass rush from just our 4 lineman. Therefore this is the area we want improvement, along the D-line. That play will translate directly into better secondary play. The choise of DE fits that need. Add in Dixon play at DT in NFL Europe, see a full seasaon out of Sims (hoping hoping) and we are trying to build that depth at d-line to win THIS YEAR.

tiptap
04-30-2006, 10:02 AM
The Chief's improve statistically and visually on run defense. The passing game though was hampered by a lack of a pass rush from just our 4 lineman. Therefore this is the area we want improvement, along the D-line. That play will translate directly into better secondary play. The choise of DE fits that need. Add in Dixon play at DT in NFL Europe, see a full seasaon out of Sims (hoping hoping) and we are trying to build that depth at d-line to win THIS YEAR. I am good with this choice at number in the first round.

Frankie
05-01-2006, 02:00 PM
You can increase strength. You can't increase intensity.
Good point. For proof of Intensity>Strength look no further than Siavii.

Frankie
05-01-2006, 02:02 PM
Exactly, this kid sounds like he has a real good head on his shoulders, he can gain more muscle and become a badass, esp since his head seems to be in the right place. He isn't a lazy jerkoff like some Dlineman we know.
And he is still learning his position, ala Okoye. Good coaching can turn this guy into a monster.

Frankie
05-01-2006, 02:05 PM
He's a pacifist, and wouldn't lay the wood!
ROFL

Lurch
05-01-2006, 02:10 PM
A post from another site about Hali....WIP or whatever.

Tamba Hali: Inside Info <HR SIZE=1>I've been a Penn State fan for over 25 years. In addition, I'm lucky enough to have some contacts inside the PSU program. Let me give you the REAL skinny on Hali:

1) Tamba was the #1 ranked DE at the Sr. Bowl and named the North's Defensive MVP. The general concensus among OLmen at the Sr. Bowl was that Hali was the toughest DE to block. While most collegiate DEs try and beat you with their athleticism (ala Lawson and Mario) on outside speed rushers, Hali truley mixes it up. He has a VERY low center of gravity and immense leverage. He plays much bigger than his 6'2" frame. In addition, he plays both the pass and run very well. He is a total football player, not just a sack specialist.

2) As for a poor showing at the NFL combine, that is total nonsense considering that he DID NOT even perform at the combine! Instead, he performed at PSU's proday. This is where it gets interesting. Tamba's stock fell because of his "smallish" size and "poor" performance. #1) His size is his size for better or worse. At PSU, he played at 265. As I said earlier, he does play big for his size (big hands, large wingspan, great lower body leverage). #2) His "poor" performance was really a product of Mike Mayock's report on NFL Network. Mayock reported that Hali ran a 4.84 40 and this is the number that other media outlets picked up. For the life of me, I can't confirm which scout he got this number from. FWIW, the coaching staff at PSU was quite miffed about that number. The concensus among GMs and scouts had Tamba clocked in the low 4.70s and his low time was actually a 4.63.

3) Tamba is really a hybrid DE. He's not a speed rusher nor a bull rusher. He can do both. In addition, he plays both the run and pass well. His best attribute is his conditioning and desire. He seems to get better as the game goes on. He will give you guys 100% on every play. I can honestly say that he's my favorite DE in PSU history. You guys got a gem

buddha
05-01-2006, 02:32 PM
Just think we could've had him 10 picks later, and even if we couldn't have, we would've gotten someone of similar talent to fill a need.

Banyon...it's fine that you don't like the pick, but you continue to make wild assumptions based on very little solid information. What makes you think we could have gotten Hali 10 picks later...have you talked to each of the GMs who picked after us? Come on now!??? :mad:

And who exactly was out there who had "similar talent" that we could have gotten 10 picks later? I can't think of anybody and the draft board certainly doesn't show anybody who is comparable to Hali at that point in the draft or slightly later.

Sure...trade down when you don't have a guy at your pick that you feel strongly about. That's a wise move. However, KC felt strongly about Hali. Moving down and missing on him, especially considering the extreme need at DE would have most likely been a monumental error. The draft gods don't go out of their way to favor KC in the best of times. Last year was an exception.

We got a guy who was an All-American DE, and a guy who disrupted offenses on a regular basis. I think he is as close to a sure thing as we could have gotten all things considered. If I'm right, nobody is going to be concerned about where we drafted him...right?

Thig Lyfe
05-01-2006, 02:38 PM
We got a guy who was an All-American DE, and a guy who disrupted offenses on a regular basis. I think he is as close to a sure thing as we could have gotten all things considered. If I'm right, nobody is going to be concerned about where we drafted him...right?

You are quite correct. People seem to think Hali's only plus is his character. But did you know talent and character aren't mutually exclusive? WHOAA!!! Yes, it's true!

An All-American in both talent and ethic. It's somebody the Chiefs have been lacking in their first day picks for a while now.

banyon
05-01-2006, 02:46 PM
Banyon...it's fine that you don't like the pick, but you continue to make wild assumptions based on very little solid information. What makes you think we could have gotten Hali 10 picks later...have you talked to each of the GMs who picked after us? Come on now!??? :mad:

And who exactly was out there who had "similar talent" that we could have gotten 10 picks later? I can't think of anybody and the draft board certainly doesn't show anybody who is comparable to Hali at that point in the draft or slightly later.

Sure...trade down when you don't have a guy at your pick that you feel strongly about. That's a wise move. However, KC felt strongly about Hali. Moving down and missing on him, especially considering the extreme need at DE would have most likely been a monumental error. The draft gods don't go out of their way to favor KC in the best of times. Last year was an exception.

It's a long thread...so here's what I said originally:

If we redrafted this draft with someone besides CeePee, Hali wouldn't have gone at twenty, we would've gone down to 28 or 30 and gotten him.

And even if her were somehow snapped up, then we still could've landed Jimmy Williams, Santonio Holmes, Chad Jackson, or Winston Justice, who I bet will all turn out to be better pros than Hali.

We got a guy who was an All-American DE, and a guy who disrupted offenses on a regular basis. I think he is as close to a sure thing as we could have gotten all things considered. If I'm right, nobody is going to be concerned about where we drafted him...right?

I hope that he's an all-Pro for the next 10 years. But I just don't feel very good about it yet. Hey, I liked about 40% of the picks, so I'm not impossible to please.

penchief
05-01-2006, 02:55 PM
Christ, even one of the "highlight" videos is him getting dominated by an OT from Iowa.

What highlight video are you referring to? One of those internet highlight films from a network that used only footage from the two or three games they covered?

I'll make a gentleman's bet with you. I'll bet that Tamba Hali breaks the Chief rookie record for sacks. I'll predict, here and now, that he will surpass the rookie season sack totals of both Derrick Thomas and Jared Allen.

ChiefaRoo
05-01-2006, 03:07 PM
You really see us benching Hicks?


Hicks isn't very good. He's on a severe decline and has been for the last two seasons. He reminds me of Mike Bell late in his career.

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-01-2006, 03:09 PM
Hicks isn't very good. He's on a severe decline and has been for the last two seasons. He reminds me of Mike Bell late in his career.

Mike Bell's family has seats directly in front of mine. My g/f's dad told me that one time he and his dad were there and were talking shit about Mike Bell and then one of them turned around and said something to the likes of "that's my son". Priceless.

Cochise
05-01-2006, 03:11 PM
I think the past few days have been a 52 week high for shameless tripe posted about a football player. Maybe not since Larry Johnson was wearing #34 has it been this big of a bull market for bull s###

Carlota69
05-01-2006, 03:42 PM
Ah, remember the good ol' days when we were stoked about getting Ryan Sims and pissed that we got Larry Johnson?

I miss those days...oh, wait....

Frankie
05-01-2006, 03:47 PM
What highlight video are you referring to? One of those internet highlight films from a network that used only footage from the two or three games they covered?

I'll make a gentleman's bet with you. I'll bet that Tamba Hali breaks the Chief rookie record for sacks. I'll predict, here and now, that he will surpass the rookie season sack totals of both Derrick Thomas and Jared Allen.
Had the technology existed in biblical times, I'm sure there would be one highlight of one big strong dude named Goliath getting dominated ONCE by a weakling named David. As dramatic as the alleged outcome was I wonder how many highlights would exist of him beating the stuffing out of that David dude had they fought ten times. The point is, even the best players this day and age can show up on some highlight being "dominated." I agree with you here. BSPimpDude should not judge Tamba Hali by one highlight.

nychief
05-01-2006, 04:27 PM
Had the technology existed in biblical times, I'm sure there would be one highlight of one big strong dude named Goliath getting dominated ONCE by a weakling named David. As dramatic as the alleged outcome was I wonder how many highlights would exist of him beating the stuffing out of that David dude had they fought ten times.

wow.

DaneMcCloud
05-01-2006, 04:35 PM
If we redrafted this draft with someone besides CeePee, Hali wouldn't have gone at twenty, we would've gone down to 28 or 30 and gotten him.

And even if her were somehow snapped up, then we still could've landed Jimmy Williams, Santonio Holmes, Chad Jackson, or Winston Justice, who I bet will all turn out to be better pros than Hali.

So what you're saying is that you don't think that Hali is better than a mid-second round pick. I definitely disagree with this "analysis" but when Hali makes a few Pro Bowls, it won't matter where he was drafted.

And FTR, there have been VERY few wide recievers drafted in the first or second round that have not only made an immediate impact, but a long lasting impact. I am SO happy that the Chiefs didn't draft Jackson (who is a system WR if I've ever seen one, let alone the fact that Florida WR's just don't seem to pan out in the NFL), or Justice (we have tons of OL prospects and don't need another) or Holmes (though I think he'll have the better of the two careers when compared to Jackson) or Williams.

KCBOSS1
05-01-2006, 06:02 PM
No, we'll need him (Hicks) to play corner.

that's funny