PDA

View Full Version : Brodie Croyle


Logical
04-29-2006, 08:12 PM
I cannot believe we got him this late.

JBucc
04-29-2006, 08:13 PM
There's your QOTF

Count Alex's Wins
04-29-2006, 08:14 PM
I am pumped. Now trade up into the 4th and get Gabe Watson.

CupidStunt
04-29-2006, 08:15 PM
Major steal, imo. Love the pick.

Anyone bitching about value (myself included to some extent) should be shutting the F up right now.

Mr. Kotter
04-29-2006, 08:16 PM
Prospect Profiles
http://images.nfl.com/images/draft/2006/mugs/croyle_brodie.jpg
Brodie Croyle
Height: 6-3
Weight: 204
40 Speed: 4.91*
Position: Quarterback
College: Alabama
Final Grade: J 5.85 MED

SUMMARY
Croyle is a really good young man who has battled through a litany of major injuries to become a very good college player. Some of his injuries at Alabama were: 1. He missed his senior season of high school with a torn left ACL injury; 2. He separated his shoulder during the 2004 season; and 3. He tore his right ACL in 2004. Croyle was a frustrating player to evaluate, because he no doubt has the physical tools to play in the NFL, but his injury history, thin frame and struggles to convert in key situations really limit his chance to become a starting quarterback in the NFL. Teams will notice that he was prepared for every game, which enabled him to consistently make good decisions and not make big errors. Overall, Croyle is a player you have to be careful not to over-draft because of his injury history, but he would be a very good second-day draft pick. He is best suited to go to a team with an established starter and backup so that he can spend a season or two building up his body (Adding 15 to 20 pounds of muscle and not being injured for two seasons would help him a ton) while adjusting to the NFL. In the end, Croyle will end up being a very good backup quarterback who can do a solid job when he spot starts, but will struggle to become a good all-around starting QB due to injury history and struggles to consistently convert key downs into first downs.

STRONG POINTS
Croyle is a very smart quarterback, who has consistently shown the ability to make good decisions and does not make the big error to hurt his team. He can set his feet, stride into the throw and get rid of the ball very quickly when he is throwing the ball aggressively. While he lacks a cannon for an arm, he has a good enough arm to make all the throws with good accuracy, when he strides into throws with a good bend. He consistently identifies the defense well before the snap, and does a very good job of going through his reads to consistently find the open receiver.

WEAKNESSES
Obviously, Croyle's injury history is a major issue, because he has been hurt so often that observers doubt he will be able to stay healthy in the NFL. He lacks the foot quickness to consistently avoid pressure in the pocket, and ends up taking a lot of very hard hits -- while he can read the blitz well, his lack of foot quickness hinders his ability to consistently make good plays under pressure. When he does not stride into throws with good knee bend and aggressiveness, he struggles to throw the medium and deep passes with accuracy and zip. In key situations, Croyle has not consistently been able to put the offense on his back and make the key throw to convert the play into a first down.

POSITIONAL FACTORS
He has a slight wind-up in delivery, but consistently shows the ability to get rid of the ball quickly.

6.0Arm Strength
Croyle has a deceptively good arm, and when he can stride into throws, he can make all the throws with zip.
3.0Convert Pct.
Croyle's lack of foot quickness really hinders his ability to avoid rushers and convert key downs.
5.02nd Lives
He can slip and slide decently in the pocket, but can't avoid a fast rusher to buy a second chance consistently.
6.0Accuracy Short in Pocket
He consistently makes the short pass quickly and accurately when he strides into his throws aggressively.
6.0Accuracy Long in Pocket
He throws a good long ball with touch, but is inconsistent throwing the deep ball with good zip.
5.0Accuracy on the Move
He can throw accurately when he can set up on the move, but he struggles when he cannot set his feet.
6.0Big Plays
He has consistently shown the ability to make beautiful deep throws with touch and accuracy.
6.0 Under Pressure
He does a very good job of reading defenses and throwing the ball away to avoid sacks, and he does not force passes.
6.5Leadership/Poise
He's a very good leader, who can take charge of the team, and he does not panic or get flustered with pressure in his face.
7.0Read Defenses
He does an outstanding job of reading the defense and figuring out where to go with the ball fast.
8.0Big Errors
He does an excellent job of avoiding the big error -- he consistently throws the ball away instead of forcing passes.

ATHLETIC ABILITY Section Grade: 4.0
Croyle is a limited athlete, which hinders his ability to create something when the play breaks down. He lacks the foot quickness to avoid the sack and buy a second chance, and does not have the quickness and agility to move quickly in the pocket to avoid rushers consistently. When he is forced from the pocket and has to scramble, he lacks the playing speed to run for the first down. He has good knee bend and flexibility, and when he is focused and using good technique, he can throw with a good base and a bent front leg. Despite not being a good athlete, he is definitely coordinated and rarely gets out of control when moving around in the pocket and when throwing on the move.0

COMPETITIVENESS Section Grade: 6.0
Croyle is without question a very tough kid, and he has consistently fought through a ton of pain to continue his playing career at Alabama. At times, Croyle has shown an ability to step up and make the clutch throw in key situations, but in the games graded, he struggled to consistently convert in key situations -- he converted only 44 percent of the important downs in games graded. His overall production has been very consistent during his career when he has been healthy enough to play up to his ability. Despite having a slight wind-up delivery, Croyle has consistently shown the ability to get rid of the ball quickly, and can make most of the throws with accuracy. He is very good at making decisions, and not making the big error -- he consistently finds the open receiver when he has time to throw and is very willing to throw the ball away to avoid the sack. There is no doubt that he is a team player who never quits, because nearly any other college player that was hurt as much as Croyle would have probably quit playing football.

MENTAL ALERTNESS Section Grade: 6.0
Croyle is a very smart young man who clearly identifies the defense well prior to the snap, has learned the importance of throwing the ball away, and will not force passes. He has very good instincts in terms of looking down the field and having a knack for finding an open receiver, but he is not as instinctive feeling pressure, which leads to him taking a lot of hard hits and punishment -- this is a big part of the reason he is going to struggle to stay healthy if he becomes a starter in the NFL. Most of the time, Croyle stays focused and uses good technique striding into and throwing the ball, but occasionally, when he has to really get zip on throws, he loses focus on technique and throws with a straight front leg.Learn/RetainInstincts/ReactionsConcentration6.56.06.0

STRENGTH/EXPLOSION Section Grade: 4.0
Despite measuring OK at nearly 6-3 and over 200 pounds, Croyle has a bad body type -- he is very thin for a quarterback (Both in arms and legs). Croyle is going to really struggle to stay healthy in the NFL for a variety of reasons -- he has suffered a lot of injuries at Alabama, is very thin for a quarterback, and takes a lot of violent hits because he does not feel pressure well. He is not an explosive player when it comes to pulling the ball down and trying to scramble for big yards, but the ball does show some burst zipping out of his hand. He lacks the playing strength to hold up physically in the NFL, and will not be able to make accurate throws in the NFL once defenders get a hand on him and are trying to pull him down.Body TypeDurabilityExplosionPlay Strength4.52.05.54.5

Coach
04-29-2006, 08:18 PM
Wow.

Count Alex's Wins
04-29-2006, 08:19 PM
Let me help you there, Kotter:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/croyle_brodie

BigRedChief
04-29-2006, 08:19 PM
<DIV>[QUOTE=|

KCChiefsFan88
04-29-2006, 08:20 PM
Memo to ESPN... ASK TRENT about his thoughts on Brodie Croyle!!! He is right there in your freaking studio

Reaper16
04-29-2006, 08:20 PM
Brodie Croyle >>> Casey Printers. Green aint getting younger.

Besides, Croyle has arm strength and poise. Better than Ryan Sims pt. 2, 3, or 4.
I actually do like the pick.

JBucc
04-29-2006, 08:20 PM
IF we can get a few good young O-linemen and at least maintain a level of O-line play close to what we've had he could be very good. But if after Roaf and Shields and Wiegman retire we have trouble replacing them, the guy is made of glass.

Count Alex's Wins
04-29-2006, 08:20 PM
Best part of the rundown:

Croyle is a very smart quarterback, who has consistently shown the ability to make good decisions and does not make the big error to hurt his team.

He can set his feet, stride into the throw and get rid of the ball very quickly when he is throwing the ball aggressively.

While he lacks a cannon for an arm, he has a good enough arm to make all the throws with good accuracy, when he strides into throws with a good bend.

He consistently identifies the defense well before the snap, and does a very good job of going through his reads to consistently find the open receiver.

Coach
04-29-2006, 08:21 PM
Alabama's had some issues in O-line (If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me) which enabled Croyle to get killed for the most part.

ChiefFripp
04-29-2006, 08:21 PM
Reply To Kotter's Post:

Alot of that reminds me of Trent Green.[/QUOTE]

Spicy McHaggis
04-29-2006, 08:21 PM
Awesome, just awesome. The guy I thought we would have to end up taking in the second to get falls to us in the third. Trent teach him well. And as they say on PTI, Happy Trails Damon Huard!

Garcia Bronco
04-29-2006, 08:24 PM
Another good pick...damn..you guys get a solid b plus today.

suds79
04-29-2006, 08:24 PM
Wow what a draft so far.

Brodie Croyle is a stud and man does he have a cannon for an arm.

Here's our future QB after Trent. I love this pick.

Logical
04-29-2006, 08:24 PM
Reply To Kotter's Post:

Alot of that reminds me of Trent Green.That is what I was thinking when I read the player analysis as well.

Count Alex's Wins
04-29-2006, 08:25 PM
This is the perfect team for Croyle. He can sit two years behind Trent and add some muscle to his frame.

CroyleNextMontana

beer bacon
04-29-2006, 08:25 PM
Another good pick...damn..you guys get a solid b plus today.

B+? Pollard brings us up to at least an A-.

Mr. Kotter
04-29-2006, 08:26 PM
Here you guys go; I fixed the formatting....

I had the link gochiefs; I just thought some would want it posted....

Prospect Profiles
http://images.nfl.com/images/draft/2006/mugs/croyle_brodie.jpg
Brodie Croyle
Height: 6-3
Weight: 204
40 Speed: 4.91*
Position: Quarterback
College: Alabama
Final Grade: J 5.85 MED

SUMMARY
Croyle is a really good young man who has battled through a litany of major injuries to become a very good college player. Some of his injuries at Alabama were: 1. He missed his senior season of high school with a torn left ACL injury; 2. He separated his shoulder during the 2004 season; and 3. He tore his right ACL in 2004. Croyle was a frustrating player to evaluate, because he no doubt has the physical tools to play in the NFL, but his injury history, thin frame and struggles to convert in key situations really limit his chance to become a starting quarterback in the NFL. Teams will notice that he was prepared for every game, which enabled him to consistently make good decisions and not make big errors. Overall, Croyle is a player you have to be careful not to over-draft because of his injury history, but he would be a very good second-day draft pick. He is best suited to go to a team with an established starter and backup so that he can spend a season or two building up his body (Adding 15 to 20 pounds of muscle and not being injured for two seasons would help him a ton) while adjusting to the NFL. In the end, Croyle will end up being a very good backup quarterback who can do a solid job when he spot starts, but will struggle to become a good all-around starting QB due to injury history and struggles to consistently convert key downs into first downs.

STRONG POINTS
Croyle is a very smart quarterback, who has consistently shown the ability to make good decisions and does not make the big error to hurt his team. He can set his feet, stride into the throw and get rid of the ball very quickly when he is throwing the ball aggressively. While he lacks a cannon for an arm, he has a good enough arm to make all the throws with good accuracy, when he strides into throws with a good bend. He consistently identifies the defense well before the snap, and does a very good job of going through his reads to consistently find the open receiver.

WEAKNESSES
Obviously, Croyle's injury history is a major issue, because he has been hurt so often that observers doubt he will be able to stay healthy in the NFL. He lacks the foot quickness to consistently avoid pressure in the pocket, and ends up taking a lot of very hard hits -- while he can read the blitz well, his lack of foot quickness hinders his ability to consistently make good plays under pressure. When he does not stride into throws with good knee bend and aggressiveness, he struggles to throw the medium and deep passes with accuracy and zip. In key situations, Croyle has not consistently been able to put the offense on his back and make the key throw to convert the play into a first down.

POSITIONAL FACTORS
He has a slight wind-up in delivery, but consistently shows the ability to get rid of the ball quickly.

6.0Arm Strength
Croyle has a deceptively good arm, and when he can stride into throws, he can make all the throws with zip.
3.0Convert Pct.
Croyle's lack of foot quickness really hinders his ability to avoid rushers and convert key downs.
5.02nd Lives
He can slip and slide decently in the pocket, but can't avoid a fast rusher to buy a second chance consistently.
6.0Accuracy Short in Pocket
He consistently makes the short pass quickly and accurately when he strides into his throws aggressively.
6.0Accuracy Long in Pocket
He throws a good long ball with touch, but is inconsistent throwing the deep ball with good zip.
5.0Accuracy on the Move
He can throw accurately when he can set up on the move, but he struggles when he cannot set his feet.
6.0Big Plays
He has consistently shown the ability to make beautiful deep throws with touch and accuracy.
6.0Under Pressure
He does a very good job of reading defenses and throwing the ball away to avoid sacks, and he does not force passes.
6.5Leadership/Poise
He's a very good leader, who can take charge of the team, and he does not panic or get flustered with pressure in his face.
7.0Read Defenses
He does an outstanding job of reading the defense and figuring out where to go with the ball fast.
8.0Big Errors
He does an excellent job of avoiding the big error -- he consistently throws the ball away instead of forcing passes.

ATHLETIC ABILITY Section Grade: 4.0
Croyle is a limited athlete, which hinders his ability to create something when the play breaks down. He lacks the foot quickness to avoid the sack and buy a second chance, and does not have the quickness and agility to move quickly in the pocket to avoid rushers consistently. When he is forced from the pocket and has to scramble, he lacks the playing speed to run for the first down. He has good knee bend and flexibility, and when he is focused and using good technique, he can throw with a good base and a bent front leg. Despite not being a good athlete, he is definitely coordinated and rarely gets out of control when moving around in the pocket and when throwing on the move.0

COMPETITIVENESS Section Grade: 6.0
Croyle is without question a very tough kid, and he has consistently fought through a ton of pain to continue his playing career at Alabama. At times, Croyle has shown an ability to step up and make the clutch throw in key situations, but in the games graded, he struggled to consistently convert in key situations -- he converted only 44 percent of the important downs in games graded. His overall production has been very consistent during his career when he has been healthy enough to play up to his ability. Despite having a slight wind-up delivery, Croyle has consistently shown the ability to get rid of the ball quickly, and can make most of the throws with accuracy. He is very good at making decisions, and not making the big error -- he consistently finds the open receiver when he has time to throw and is very willing to throw the ball away to avoid the sack. There is no doubt that he is a team player who never quits, because nearly any other college player that was hurt as much as Croyle would have probably quit playing football.

MENTAL ALERTNESS Section Grade: 6.0
Croyle is a very smart young man who clearly identifies the defense well prior to the snap, has learned the importance of throwing the ball away, and will not force passes. He has very good instincts in terms of looking down the field and having a knack for finding an open receiver, but he is not as instinctive feeling pressure, which leads to him taking a lot of hard hits and punishment -- this is a big part of the reason he is going to struggle to stay healthy if he becomes a starter in the NFL. Most of the time, Croyle stays focused and uses good technique striding into and throwing the ball, but occasionally, when he has to really get zip on throws, he loses focus on technique and throws with a straight front leg.Learn/RetainInstincts/ReactionsConcentration6.56.06.0

STRENGTH/EXPLOSION Section Grade: 4.0
Despite measuring OK at nearly 6-3 and over 200 pounds, Croyle has a bad body type -- he is very thin for a quarterback (Both in arms and legs). Croyle is going to really struggle to stay healthy in the NFL for a variety of reasons -- he has suffered a lot of injuries at Alabama, is very thin for a quarterback, and takes a lot of violent hits because he does not feel pressure well. He is not an explosive player when it comes to pulling the ball down and trying to scramble for big yards, but the ball does show some burst zipping out of his hand. He lacks the playing strength to hold up physically in the NFL, and will not be able to make accurate throws in the NFL once defenders get a hand on him and are trying to pull him down.Body TypeDurabilityExplosionPlay Strength4.52.05.54.5

tommykat
04-29-2006, 08:27 PM
That is what I was thinking when I read the player analysis as well.

Analysis? Have any of us seen him play as a Chief yet? I just hope this is way good~

Just picking on you tonight Jim.....:D

ChiefsOne
04-29-2006, 08:28 PM
Man I am sooooo happy! This is the QB I wanted them to get all along, well since I knew we couldn't get Lienart or Cutler.

Awesome pick!

KCChiefsFan88
04-29-2006, 08:29 PM
http://images.nfl.com/images/draft/2006/mugs/croyle_brodie.jpg

Someone locate this kid a good barber in KC

Tuckdaddy
04-29-2006, 08:29 PM
Living in the south I know this about Croyle. He's a smart player with leadership ability. I like this pick and hope this is Trent's replacement 2 years from now.

tommykat
04-29-2006, 08:31 PM
http://images.nfl.com/images/draft/2006/mugs/croyle_brodie.jpg

Someone locate this kid a good barber in KC

He can always come to Springfield for the BEST haricut any day~:D

Dave Lane
04-29-2006, 08:35 PM
He can always come to Springfield for the BEST haricut any day~:D


Would that be a Hari Krishna cut? ROFL

Dave

wazu
04-29-2006, 08:36 PM
I love this pick.

HerculesRockefell
04-29-2006, 08:36 PM
2007- Jay vs. Brodie

That'll be fun

JBucc
04-29-2006, 08:37 PM
This year could go down as one of those big QB years.

KChiefs1
04-29-2006, 08:38 PM
Hey ESPN!

You have Trent Green in your studio for analysis....use him!

Mr. Flopnuts
04-29-2006, 08:38 PM
2007- Jay vs. Brodie

That'll be fun


I'm hoping it will be 2008 at the earliest. This kid seems like he could use some rest and heal up fully.

JBucc
04-29-2006, 08:39 PM
Hey ESPN!

You have Trent Green in your studio for analysis....use him!I think all those guys left. After last time they said "these guys'll be back tommorow"

chefsos
04-29-2006, 08:39 PM
Huard-Gone?
Kilian
Printers
Croyle

If Vermeil still ran the show Huard could lock up the backup spot today. Herm's not DV. Think he's got the balls to go to war with a rook or second year man at #2, as well as #3?

Count Alex's Wins
04-29-2006, 08:41 PM
Oh absolutely not. I am not comfortable with either of these kids being the No. 2. We absolutely have to keep Huard. Either Printers or Croyle will the 4th QB on the scout team next year.

KcMizzou
04-29-2006, 08:42 PM
http://images.nfl.com/images/draft/2006/mugs/croyle_brodie.jpg

Someone locate this kid a good barber in KCAll he needs is a Plummer 'stache.

luv
04-29-2006, 08:45 PM
All he needs is a Plummer 'stache.
Uh...no.

BigVE
04-29-2006, 08:46 PM
Oh absolutely not. I am not comfortable with either of these kids being the No. 2. We absolutely have to keep Huard. Either Printers or Croyle will the 4th QB on the scout team next year.


Why? Huard has shown NOTHING so far so at the very least he is on EQUAL terms as the rookies in my books. LOL, not really, but Huard is mediocre at best while the rookie and other young qb's could potentially be our starter one day....Huard wont.

booger
04-29-2006, 08:46 PM
Oh absolutely not. I am not comfortable with either of these kids being the No. 2. We absolutely have to keep Huard. Either Printers or Croyle will the 4th QB on the scout team next year.

I don't know. They outbid a few teams for Printers and probably spent a decent amount on a Signing bonus considering the situation of a player coming from Canada. I don't see them Cutting Printers or Croyle and hoping to keep one on the practice squad.

Skip Towne
04-29-2006, 08:46 PM
I'll have to wait and see this kid play but I don't like the slow part. Or the injury prone part either. What if he has chicken bones?

Tribal Warfare
04-29-2006, 08:48 PM
Oh absolutely not. I am not comfortable with either of these kids being the No. 2. We absolutely have to keep Huard. Either Printers or Croyle will the 4th QB on the scout team next year.


Casey Printers doesn't need to throw the ball, because god will strike defenders down for touching him.

Count Alex's Wins
04-29-2006, 08:48 PM
Why? Huard has shown NOTHING so far so at the very least he is on EQUAL terms as the rookies in my books.

That's not really true. Huard is a veteran who has experience in both starting games and the Chiefs playbook. I would be much more comfortable with him playing over one of these rookies should something happen to Trent.

JBucc
04-29-2006, 08:48 PM
I'll have to wait and see this kid play but I don't like the slow part. Or the injury prone part either. What if he has chicken bones?I don't think it's his bones that are the problem, it's his ACL's that worry me.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-29-2006, 08:49 PM
I'll have to wait and see this kid play but I don't like the slow part. Or the injury prone part either. What if he has chicken bones?

Then my dog cannot chew on him because they will splinter in her digestive system.

JBucc
04-29-2006, 08:49 PM
That's not really true. Huard is a veteran who has experience in both starting games and the Chiefs playbook. I would be much more comfortable with him playing over one of these rookies should something happen to Trent.I'm saying if Trent goes down, we're ****ed either way so might as well get a rookie some experience.

JazzzLovr
04-29-2006, 08:51 PM
All he needs is a Plummer 'stache.

At least he doesn't look like a convict or something.


o:-)

Skip Towne
04-29-2006, 08:51 PM
I'm saying if Trent goes down, we're ****ed either way so might as well get a rookie some experience.
Then we'll hav an experienced rookie sitting on the bench with a torn ACL.

Bwana
04-29-2006, 08:51 PM
That's not really true. Huard is a veteran who has experience in both starting games and the Chiefs playbook. I would be much more comfortable with him playing over one of these rookies should something happen to Trent.

Baaaaaaa.....Huard is a stiff that has mastered holding a clipboard. He will never be more than that period.

Count Alex's Wins
04-29-2006, 08:52 PM
Baaaaaaa.....Huard is a stiff that has mastered holding a clipboard. He will never be more than that period.

He was already more than that one year in Miami. Your only opinion of him is based on ridiculous preseason games.

Coach
04-29-2006, 08:52 PM
Then we'll hav an experienced rookie sitting on the bench with a torn ACL.

Better than a washed-up QB in Huard.

JBucc
04-29-2006, 08:53 PM
Then we'll hav an experienced rookie sitting on the bench with a torn ACL.At least he'll have experience!

BigVE
04-29-2006, 08:53 PM
That's not really true. Huard is a veteran who has experience in both starting games and the Chiefs playbook. I would be much more comfortable with him playing over one of these rookies should something happen to Trent.

I see your point. I can see Croyle beating out Killian though. I cant see us keeping around 4 extra qb's. In fact now that I think about it Croyle could potentially beat out "lord" Printers based on the fact that they will both be new to our system and that I remember reading somewhere that Croyle is very studious and a very smart player. Not to compare him to Mr. Montana but Joe M. was certainly not the mosted gifted physically but he more than made up for it upstairs.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-29-2006, 08:55 PM
Here's the ESPN Insider Grade on him, which is an 81 (my apologies if this is an exact repost from ESPN, I know other people have already dropped scouting rep's on him, I just don't know if it is this exact one)

Strengths: A pocket passer with adequate height. Continues to add bulk and has the frame to add more. He possesses very good arm strength. One of the strongest arms in this draft class. He can make all the necessary NFL throws. Shows great zip on the deep out route. Shows touch and timing as a vertical passer. Can drive the ball downfield and will fit it into tight spots. Has a quick release and shows the ability to get rid of the ball quickly. He shows good overall accuracy. Knows how to beat the blitz. Is improving in terms of making progression reads and reading coverages. Won't throw the ball into coverage very often. Protects the football well. Does a good job of leading his receivers. He's intelligent and hard working. Has very good intangibles. Is a savvy quarterback with a good feel and understanding for the game.

Weaknesses: Has been hampered by injuries throughout his career. Inability to stay healthy early in his career creates major concern regarding his long-term durability. It also took away from his game experience as a college quarterback. He has adequate but not great height. Is lean and still needs to bulk up. Has improved his strength but still needs work in that area. He's not a great athlete. He has adequate speed but lacks ideal agility and COD skills. Doesn't buy enough second-chance passing opportunities. Takes too many sacks and too many hits. Needs to protect himself better. He is not a threat to run. Still needs to improve his underneath touch. He doesn't always take enough velocity off his underneath throws and he won't do a good enough job of leading his receivers on short crossing routes or timing routes.

Overall: Croyle redshirted in 2001. He started two games in 2002 and also played as a backup in 10 of the other 11 games that season. He was the Tide's starting quarterback in 11 of the 13 games in 2002, missing starts against Georgia and Southern Miss with a shoulder injury. After a strong start in 2003, Croyle was lost for the season late in the third quarter of the Western Carolina game when he tore the ACL in his right knee. He had surgery on Sept. 20. By that point in the season, he had completed 67-percent of his passes (44 of 66) for 534 yards and six touchdowns. He had not thrown an interception in those 66 attempts. As a senior in 2005, Croyle completed 59.6-percent of his attempts for 2,499 yards with 14 TD's and four INT's. Croyle has some upside because of his outstanding arm strength and leadership skills. However, he's not a great athlete, he has below-average size, and he has a terrible history of durability issues. While he did stay healthy and play well during his senior season in 2005, Croyle does not enter the NFL with great playing experience at the collegiate level and we also have huge doubts regarding his potential to stay healthy for an entire 16-game season if anointed as a starter in the NFL. In short, Croyle warrants consideration in the late-second to early-third round range of this year's draft, but he will be a risky selection for the team that elects to take a chance.

tk13
04-29-2006, 08:55 PM
After having to go through 5 QB's last year in New York, Herm is probably scared to keep less than 37 candidates around for this year's camp.

Bwana
04-29-2006, 08:57 PM
He was already more than that one year in Miami. Your only opinion of him is based on ridiculous preseason games.

Was being the key word Clay. His best days are behind him.

Skip Towne
04-29-2006, 08:57 PM
Baaaaaaa.....Huard is a stiff that has mastered holding a clipboard. He will never be more than that period.
Didn't he play for us in '70 and '71? Oh, I guess that was Huarte. Bout the same thing.

milkman
04-29-2006, 08:58 PM
He was already more than that one year in Miami. Your only opinion of him is based on ridiculous preseason games.

I've never seen an experienced QB perform at such a pathetic level in the preseason.

Huard sucks ass. Period.

I am not certain about practice for either Printers or Croyle.

Printers could probably just simply return to Canada if he doesn't make the roster, and Croyle will be snapped up by another team if we try to place him on the PS.

chefsos
04-29-2006, 08:58 PM
I think I'm in the "Let the kids play" camp. 0dd Dam0n (That just doesn't ring) is the safe choice to keep the offensive motor at fast idle if Trent goes down. I say throw the kids in there and floor it. If she blows, she blows.

Count Alex's Wins
04-29-2006, 09:03 PM
I've never seen an experienced QB perform at such a pathetic level in the preseason.

Huard sucks ass. Period.



Are you going to change your opinion if he plays well in the preseason?

I think going into a season with n00bs at QB is suicide.

Count Alex's Wins
04-29-2006, 09:04 PM
After having to go through 5 QB's last year in New York, Herm is probably scared to keep less than 37 candidates around for this year's camp.

Exactly. I don't see any way Huard isn't on the roster again. HUARD IS THE BOMB!

Coach
04-29-2006, 09:05 PM
Are you going to change your opinion if he plays well in the preseason?

I think going into a season with n00bs at QB is suicide.

No, becuase Huard has historically sucked ass.

I think you're correct on the n00bs at QB, but at some point, the Chiefs are going to have to break in someone by the time Trent is finished. The sooner, the better I suppose.

milkman
04-29-2006, 09:06 PM
Are you going to change your opinion if he plays well in the preseason?

I think going into a season with n00bs at QB is suicide.

Doesn't matter.
Going into the season with Huard as B/U is equally suicidal.

And no, I won't change my opinion.

Logical
04-29-2006, 09:09 PM
I've never seen an experienced QB perform at such a pathetic level in the preseason.

Huard sucks ass. Period.

I am not certain about practice for either Printers or Croyle.

Printers could probably just simply return to Canada if he doesn't make the roster, and Croyle will be snapped up by another team if we try to place him on the PS.I think that might have been as much the lack of quality depth on the offensive line as the QB.

Bwana
04-29-2006, 09:13 PM
Didn't he play for us in '70 and '71? Oh, I guess that was Huarte. Bout the same thing.

Ouch! ROFL

Ari Chi3fs
04-29-2006, 09:14 PM
Sounds like a regular Glass Joe to me. Good Potential, if he could stay healthy...

milkman
04-29-2006, 09:15 PM
I think that might have been as much the lack of quality depth on the offensive line as the QB.

Jonathan Quinn played a hell of a lot better than him the week before, behind that same line.

KCBOSS1
04-29-2006, 09:15 PM
DV has kept two lame clipboard holders around for the last few years in Collins and Huard. I was disappointed when Kilian went to the practice squad last year. If Trent goes down, I had rather give Printers or Croyle some opportunity to get some hard knock experience rather than guaranteed mediocrity. I still pray that Trent doesn't get hurt, because I think we will be in deep if he does. I think that Croyle might be a gamer.

milkman
04-29-2006, 09:16 PM
Sounds like a regular Glass Joe to me. Good Potential, if he could stay healthy...

He just needs to build himself up physically in the next couple of years.

banyon
04-29-2006, 09:17 PM
I am on board with this pick. Great value.

CeePee must've turned the draft over to his scouts in the 3rd round this year instead of the 4th.

Bwana
04-29-2006, 09:18 PM
I am on board with this pick. Great value.

CeePee must've turned the draft over to his scouts in the 3rd round this year instead of the 4th.

Perhaps because we don't have a 4th.

SNR
04-29-2006, 10:07 PM
I would rather lean on Huard for the backup job than Croyle or Printers.

BUT Huard HAS to improve this year. Last year he stunk like festering pig shit on a hot day in the preseason. Hell, didn't Kilian end up leading more scoring drives than Huard? AND with a lot less playing time, too

Brock
04-29-2006, 10:08 PM
I would rather lean on Huard for the backup job than Croyle or Printers.

WTF difference does it make?

dtebbe
04-29-2006, 10:12 PM
The SEC is as close to Pro Football as it gets, and he did pretty damn well in his SEC career, despite Alabama's NCAA issues.

DT

CupidStunt
04-29-2006, 10:13 PM
At least one of my 12 players in my avatar was accurately predicted.

We got Hali but a round earlier. I think, ultimately, it may have been a bunch of BS that he'd go as late as round two to us. I shouldn't have bought it after seeing what he did on the field.

Gosselin had him as 27th best player and Accorsi would've been all over him at #24.

SNR
04-29-2006, 10:16 PM
WTF difference does it make?Because that's what we were talking about?

Brock
04-29-2006, 10:17 PM
Because that's what we were talking about?

Huard sucks. Period.

Skip Towne
04-29-2006, 10:19 PM
Sounds like a regular Glass Joe to me. Good Potential, if he could stay healthy...
And a statue glass joe at that. What a combination, a statue that breaks apart upon contact.

BigChiefFan
04-29-2006, 10:20 PM
Great. More DEPTH. Keep in mind he HAS to MAKE the 48 man roster and suit up or we will most likely loss him, if we were to put him on the PS. I like Brodie Croyle as a player, but I'm very surprised by the move. I'll be pleased If he can kick Huard to the curb, but until then, this is more DEPTH, when we should be looking for STARTERS.

Ultra Peanut
04-29-2006, 10:32 PM
All he needs is a Plummer 'stache.Plummer is '70s. Croyle is emo.

So really, all he needs is some thick square glasses.

mississippichiefan
04-29-2006, 10:49 PM
Alabama's had some issues in O-line (If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me) which enabled Croyle to get killed for the most part.

This is true , I am an Alabama fan and we had pretty much a new offensive line this season and lost a couple of lineman which caused Brodie to get banged up a lot . Sometimes he was hit by 2 or 3 as soon as he set up. He also lost Prothro and was left with lots of young and inexpernced recievers which hurt him this year . I think he can be a very good NFL QB . A great pick up in the third round . Go Chiefs !!!

KCJohnny
04-29-2006, 11:13 PM
This demonstrates the primacy of Trent Green the perennially underrated QB with top 3 stats almost every year since coming to KC. Joe Montana would be a drop off at this point, so do you go for the QBotF or the bandaid #2? I like Croyle as the heir apparent. Let's face it, where Herm is taking the team is much closer to where Marty had it (dominating defense, don't-lose -the-game QB) and Croyle seems like the right fit for a Steve DeBerg styled QB replacement.

58-4ever
04-29-2006, 11:26 PM
Brodie could be Trent Green Jr. Not a cannon for an arm, but can make the throws with accuracy. I really like this pick. we need a back-up and a QBOTF. We still need another guy to compete at CB and DT. Hopefully, Svetik is coming along as many say he is as an OT.

philfree
04-29-2006, 11:43 PM
Brodie seems alot like Chad Pennington to me. If Trent can keep it up for two more years Croyle be ready by then. Is it just me or does he look like another Bama QB who did pretty good in the NFL--Broadway Joe?


PhilFree:arrow:

NaptownChief
04-29-2006, 11:46 PM
Brodie seems alot like Chad Pennington to me. If Trent can keep it up for two more years Croyle be ready by then. Is it just me or does he look like another Bama QB who did pretty good in the NFL--Broadway Joe?


PhilFree:arrow:


I hope not as I would like him to throw more TD's than INT's...

luv
04-29-2006, 11:46 PM
Brodie seems alot like Chad Pennington to me. If Trent can keep it up for two more years Croyle be ready by then. Is it just me or does he look like another Bama QB who did pretty good in the NFL--Broadway Joe?


PhilFree:arrow:
Whoa. Where you been, mister?

philfree
04-29-2006, 11:50 PM
I hope not as I would like him to throw more TD's than INT's...


He looks like him is what I said hopefully he turns out to play more like his new daddy Trent Green.

PhilFree:arrow:

ChiefsCountry
04-29-2006, 11:50 PM
I have been gone all evening first I heard about Croyle. Heck yes!!!!!!!!!! What a great draft so far. Croyle is a second rounder IMO, and the kid from Purdue the more I read about him the better I feel.

philfree
04-29-2006, 11:51 PM
Whoa. Where you been, mister?

Lurking.

PhilFree:arrow:

Thig Lyfe
04-30-2006, 12:10 AM
Wow! Just read about this. Great news, and what a steal. Certainly has the potential to take over in a few years, although he will have to overcome The Boss.

Mosbonian
04-30-2006, 12:12 AM
Funny...If I am not mistaken, most of the comments that are being made about Croyle being immobile and injury prone, were the same ones that were being made about Dan Marino when he came out of college.

mmaddog
*******

milkman
04-30-2006, 12:20 AM
This demonstrates the primacy of Trent Green the perennially underrated QB with top 3 stats almost every year since coming to KC. Joe Montana would be a drop off at this point, so do you go for the QBotF or the bandaid #2? I like Croyle as the heir apparent. Let's face it, where Herm is taking the team is much closer to where Marty had it (dominating defense, don't-lose -the-game QB) and Croyle seems like the right fit for a Steve DeBerg styled QB replacement.

I like Trent as much as the next guy, and was never a Montana fan, but that is as ridiculous a statement as I've ever read.

ChiefsFanatic
04-30-2006, 12:27 AM
When was the last time the Chiefs drafted, developed, and played a QB that ever had a winning season?

I am sorry, I did not read all the posts on this thread. I just want to say that Carl Peterson is an absolute joke as a GM.

When we need help at DT, CB, and WR, we take a QB. If we had a history of drafting and developing successful QBs, I might be able to let the pick slide. But we never have.

Wait, I am forgetting Mike Elkins. No wait, we did draft Killian last year. He is playing parts of every third quarter in NFL Europe.

I f**king hate Carl Peterson.

So, please, if you know the answer, tell me who was the last QB that we drafted, developed, played and that had a winning season.

Reaper16
04-30-2006, 12:28 AM
Brodie seems alot like Chad Pennington to me. If Trent can keep it up for two more years Croyle be ready by then. Is it just me or does he look like another Bama QB who did pretty good in the NFL--Broadway Joe?


PhilFree:arrow:
Croyle's arm is MUCH stronger than Chad's ever was.

Ultra Peanut
04-30-2006, 12:34 AM
When was the last time the Chiefs drafted, developed, and played a QB that ever had a winning season?

I am sorry, I did not read all the posts on this thread. I just want to say that Carl Peterson is an absolute joke as a GM.

When we need help at DT, CB, and WR, we take a QB. If we had a history of drafting and developing successful QBs, I might be able to let the pick slide. But we never have.

Wait, I am forgetting Mike Elkins. No wait, we did draft Killian last year. He is playing parts of every third quarter in NFL Europe.

I f**king hate Carl Peterson.

So, please, if you know the answer, tell me who was the last QB that we drafted, developed, played and that had a winning season.The Chiefs have drafted 9 quarterbacks in the last twenty-five years; ten including Croyle. Of those, again including Croyle, three have been taken on the first day.

What a huge sample size. I'm convinced. Might as well cut Croyle immediately so he can get a job at Hy-Vee.

All Penn State RBs are miserable failures, too, right?

milkman
04-30-2006, 12:36 AM
When was the last time the Chiefs drafted, developed, and played a QB that ever had a winning season?

I am sorry, I did not read all the posts on this thread. I just want to say that Carl Peterson is an absolute joke as a GM.

When we need help at DT, CB, and WR, we take a QB. If we had a history of drafting and developing successful QBs, I might be able to let the pick slide. But we never have.

Wait, I am forgetting Mike Elkins. No wait, we did draft Killian last year. He is playing parts of every third quarter in NFL Europe.

I f**king hate Carl Peterson.

So, please, if you know the answer, tell me who was the last QB that we drafted, developed, played and that had a winning season.

OK, to answer your question about QBs drafted and developed in KC, never.

But not trying, simply because prvious coaching staffs have faile is a lame ass argument.

Using that same logic, we shouldn't have drafted LJ a couple of years ago, because Penn St. RBs always bust.

milkman
04-30-2006, 12:37 AM
The Chiefs have drafted 9 quarterbacks in the last twenty-five years; ten including Croyle. Of those, again including Croyle, three have been taken on the first day.

What a huge sample size. I'm convinced. Might as well cut Croyle immediately so he can get a job at Hy-Vee.

All Penn State RBs are miserable failures, too, right?

Damn you Hali Berry! :cuss:

Taco John
04-30-2006, 12:54 AM
Congrats on the pickup... Croyle shows some promise, though my concern with him has been that he's the next Chad Pennington. Hopefully, for yours and his sake, he can stay healthy...

Reaper16
04-30-2006, 12:56 AM
Congrats on the pickup... Croyle shows some promise, though my concern with him has been that he's the next Chad Pennington. Hopefully, for yours and his sake, he can stay healthy...
Apples and oranges, right? Pennington had problems with his throwing arm, while Croyle has had some knee work.

TinyEvel
04-30-2006, 01:13 AM
Why Brodie?

1) Cool Name

2) refer to his Q&A:

Q: What do you know about the other Chiefs quarterbacks (other than Green)?

CROYLE: “I really don’t know anything about them. All you hear about is Trent Green.”

SoCalBronco
04-30-2006, 01:18 AM
Very good pick for the Chiefs. Hali and Croyle are real quality persons too.

HolmeZz
04-30-2006, 01:22 AM
I don't see how anyone can find downside with the Croyle pick. We have no real future at the QB position. Croyle had a 2nd round grade from a lot of people(he was my 3rd ranked QB) and we got him in the middle of the 3rd. I think it's a great fit.

milkman
04-30-2006, 01:22 AM
Am I the only one worried when Donkey fans start telling us we done good. :)

Moooo
04-30-2006, 01:30 AM
I'm a Bama fan. The first thing people might say is that he didn't throw a touchdown for almost a month his Senior year, but Croyle had NO protection down in Tuscaloosa. He has the right mentality and instincts if given more than .5 seconds from what everyone else said.

Its always exciting when your team gets a QB on day one. But for the life of me I don't know why Omar Jacobs wasn't already selected. I know he wasn't projected, but he was a one-man show at Bowling Green. I know that's not BCS, but the teams he went up against knew what he was gonna do and he still did it. Sounds pretty good to me. Not to mention his numbers are boggling, like Daunte Culpepper boggling.

Moooo

Frankie
04-30-2006, 01:34 AM
I'm hoping it will be 2008 at the earliest. This kid seems like he could use some rest and heal up fully.
I also like to see Trent at the helm for another 3 years. So 2008 it is. As long as Herm doesn't follow the Marty philosophy of stapling a young QB's ass to the bench. I think Croyle should come in for cleanup work at EVERY opportunity.

HolmeZz
04-30-2006, 02:10 AM
I'm a Bama fan. The first thing people might say is that he didn't throw a touchdown for almost a month his Senior year, but Croyle had NO protection down in Tuscaloosa. He has the right mentality and instincts if given more than .5 seconds from what everyone else said.

Its always exciting when your team gets a QB on day one. But for the life of me I don't know why Omar Jacobs wasn't already selected. I know he wasn't projected, but he was a one-man show at Bowling Green. I know that's not BCS, but the teams he went up against knew what he was gonna do and he still did it. Sounds pretty good to me. Not to mention his numbers are boggling, like Daunte Culpepper boggling.

Moooo

Yeah, you don't translate stats from college to the pros. You translate skills and abilities. Omar Jacobs isn't in Croyle's league in terms of skill set IMO.

ChiefsFanatic
04-30-2006, 02:10 AM
OK, to answer your question about QBs drafted and developed in KC, never.

But not trying, simply because prvious coaching staffs have faile is a lame ass argument.

Using that same logic, we shouldn't have drafted LJ a couple of years ago, because Penn St. RBs always bust.

That is apples and oranges. I am not saying stop drafting QBs, but don't do it in the 3rd round when you desperately need help at CB and DT.

Rausch
04-30-2006, 02:14 AM
This is the only pick today I've liked.

Even if my buddy does call him "Ceramic Coil" (if you can drop him, he'll break) I like the guy.

Everyone gets knocked down, the determined refuse to stay down...

Rausch
04-30-2006, 02:16 AM
That is apples and oranges. I am not saying stop drafting QBs, but don't do it in the 3rd round when you desperately need help at CB and DT.

Based on the years of success KC's had drafting a CB or S in round 3...

Moooo
04-30-2006, 02:18 AM
Yeah, you don't translate stats from college to the pros. You translate skills and abilities. Omar Jacobs isn't in Croyle's league in terms of skill set IMO.

I understand that, but I've seen and heard about what he can do. All the scouts said he has a cannon for an arm, and amazing accuracy, but he needs to learn to operate under center and simply run an NFL offense. So he may be 3-4 years away from getting onto the field...who cares! We have a starter for that long!

Don't get me wrong, I am glad we got Croyle, but I think whoever gets Jacobs is in for a treat.

Moooo

HolmeZz
04-30-2006, 02:21 AM
He doesn't have a cannon for an arm, though he throws the deep ball accurately. Weak velocity of the intermediate throws. He makes Vince Young look like the most mechanically sound QB on the planet. There's a reason he didn't go today.

Moooo
04-30-2006, 02:23 AM
He doesn't have a cannon for an arm, though he throws the deep ball accurately. Weak velocity of the intermediate throws. He makes Vince Young look like the most mechanically sound QB on the planet. There's a reason he didn't go today.

I understand that, but I still stand by what I say, knowing how many QBs make starting careers after being drafted on the second day, that is all.

Moooo

ChiefsFanatic
04-30-2006, 02:27 AM
Based on the years of success KC's had drafting a CB or S in round 3...

You are right. Peterson is so bad it does not really matter who in the hell he drafts.

ChiefsFanatic
04-30-2006, 02:51 AM
I just read that he has already torn both of his ACLs. Nice.

Moooo
04-30-2006, 02:53 AM
I just read that he has already torn both of his ACLs. Nice.

(sarcasm)

All that means is he got it out of the way when he was young...hell nowadays those things are stronger after surgery

See, now the only thing that can go wrong is some sort of fracture or rotator cuff problem...

(/sarcasm)

Moooo

Rausch
04-30-2006, 02:58 AM
I just read that he has already torn both of his ACLs. Nice.

**** you. Your opinion doesn't matter.

Teh 0dd T0dd himself has annointed him the heir apparent. Your feelings on the matter are irrelevant.

As did the the Germanic tribes wear the intestines of the Romans as a belt, so will you, one day, wear a smile as Croyle lifts the Lamar Hunt trophy (baby steps) while giving Shanny the "shocker."

ChiefsFanatic
04-30-2006, 03:01 AM
(sarcasm)

All that means is he got it out of the way when he was young...hell nowadays those things are stronger after surgery

See, now the only thing that can go wrong is some sort of fracture or rotator cuff problem...

(/sarcasm)

Moooo

It doesn't matter. The chances of him ever playing, much less starting, for the Chiefs are very slim.

Ultra Peanut
04-30-2006, 03:02 AM
Jacobs is a boom-or-bust sort of prospect, but having seen him in person at the GMAC Bowl, I've been a fan ever since (not that night, though... ack).

Miles
04-30-2006, 03:07 AM
Jacobs is a boom-or-bust sort of prospect, but having seen him in person at the GMAC Bowl, I've been a fan ever since (not that night, though... ack).

He really seems like he would me a great second day pick for someone. One of those nice upside picks that is worth the risk at that point.

Rausch
04-30-2006, 03:09 AM
It doesn't matter. The chances of him ever playing, much less starting, for the Chiefs are very slim.

So said the Baltimore fans about Priest Holmes.


:)

Rausch
04-30-2006, 03:11 AM
He really seems like he would me a great second day pick for someone. One of those nice upside picks that is worth the risk at that point.

http://files.politicalbrief.com/i_want_to_believe-web.jpg

Miles
04-30-2006, 03:13 AM
I really didnt see much from Croyle in college that would make me think he would make a good pro. Though most of the time I saw him was in SEC games when he was facing some pretty strong pressure.

Seems like one of those pics Ill just take the scouts word on.

Miles
04-30-2006, 03:15 AM
http://files.politicalbrief.com/i_want_to_believe-web.jpg

Pretty much the same for any second day QB.

ChiefsFanatic
04-30-2006, 03:19 AM
So said the Baltimore fans about Priest Holmes.


:)

They did not waste a draft pick on him either.

I just think that 40 years of history can't be ignored. There will always be players that turn out to be great even though noone thought they would.

Croyle is not that guy.

Rausch
04-30-2006, 03:20 AM
They did not waste a draft pick on him either.


I'll be saving that tasty morsel...

Miles
04-30-2006, 03:24 AM
They did not waste a draft pick on him either.

I just think that 40 years of history can't be ignored. There will always be players that turn out to be great even though noone thought they would.

Croyle is not that guy.

Why exactly do you think he will be useless? Our past draft history with QBs doesnt eactly tell much of anything.

Rausch
04-30-2006, 03:26 AM
I just think that 40 years of history can't be ignored. There will always be players that turn out to be great even though noone thought they would.

Croyle is not that guy.

"No man can eat 50 eggs..."


Not only has a woman done it, but she gobbled that fetus-that-wasn't like an ethiopian 2 days after a 5 day meth vacation.

The sun shines on a dog's ass every once in a while, and we're looking pretty pale. Might as well pick now to believe...

ChiefsFanatic
04-30-2006, 03:35 AM
**** you. Your opinion doesn't matter.

I guess you were too busy to accept Carl's invitation help out in the War Room.

I'll be saving that tasty morsel...

I don't know why. He wasn't drafted. The experts were obviously wrong, but how many times has an undrafted player go on to become the premier player at his position?

Rausch
04-30-2006, 03:39 AM
I guess you were too busy to accept Carl's invitation help out in the War Room.



I don't know why. He wasn't drafted. The experts were obviously wrong, but how many times has an undrafted player go on to become the premier player at his position?

Once your ego cools to room temprature I'll be happy to allow you in the sarcasm lounge...

ChiefsFanatic
04-30-2006, 03:44 AM
Here is every QB the Chiefs have drafted. Link (http://football.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=football&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fdrafthistory.com%2Fyears.html) Livingston was the only one that ever did anything to help this team. IMO

2005 James Kilian - Tulsa
1997 Pat Barnes - California
1995 Steve Stenstrom - Stanford
1994 Steve Matthews - Memphis
1992 Matt Blundin - Virginia
1989 Mike Elkins - Wake Forest
1988 Danny McManus - Florida State
1987 Doug Hudson - Nicholls State
1983 Todd Blackledge - Penn State
1981 Bob Gagliano - Utah State
1979 Steve Fuller - Clemson
1978 Pete Woods - Missouri
1977 Mark Vitali - Purdue
1976 Joe Bruner - N.E. Louisiana
1974 David Jaynes - Kansas
1972 Dean Carlson - Iowa State
1971 Chuck Hixon - Southern Methodist
1968 Mike Livingston - Southern Methodist

I don't even think any of these players went on to be productive with any other team.

This is why I think Croyle will never amount to anything, at least with the Chiefs.

Sure-Oz
04-30-2006, 03:46 AM
Croyle should just be cut now, players not given a chance won't do shit, period.

Miles
04-30-2006, 03:47 AM
Here is every QB the Chiefs have drafted. Link (http://football.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=football&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fdrafthistory.com%2Fyears.html) Livingston was the only one that ever did anything to help this team. IMO

2005 James Kilian - Tulsa
1997 Pat Barnes - California
1995 Steve Stenstrom - Stanford
1994 Steve Matthews - Memphis
1992 Matt Blundin - Virginia
1989 Mike Elkins - Wake Forest
1988 Danny McManus - Florida State
1987 Doug Hudson - Nicholls State
1983 Todd Blackledge - Penn State
1981 Bob Gagliano - Utah State
1979 Steve Fuller - Clemson
1978 Pete Woods - Missouri
1977 Mark Vitali - Purdue
1976 Joe Bruner - N.E. Louisiana
1974 David Jaynes - Kansas
1972 Dean Carlson - Iowa State
1971 Chuck Hixon - Southern Methodist
1968 Mike Livingston - Southern Methodist

I don't even think any of these players went on to be productive with any other team.

This is why I think Croyle will never amount to anything, at least with the Chiefs.

What does our draft history have to do with whether Croyle will work out?

kregger
04-30-2006, 03:48 AM
Something about the law of averages..

Sure-Oz
04-30-2006, 03:48 AM
What does our draft history have to do with whether Croyle will work out?
Just cause WE drafted him....retarted logic

Rausch
04-30-2006, 03:49 AM
Here is every QB the Chiefs have drafted.

A titload of dirtbag passers.
This is why I think Croyle will never amount to anything, at least with the Chiefs.

Call me an optomist with a gun to his head.

ChiefsFanatic
04-30-2006, 03:51 AM
What does our draft history have to do with whether Croyle will work out?

What? Are you serious? He might work out. Really. I mean, the Chiefs have to draft, develope and play a successful QB eventually. What I am saying is that the Chiefs have never drafted a successful QB, and I would have rather wasted a pick on a CB or DT.

Sure-Oz
04-30-2006, 03:51 AM
WHo's up tryin to sober up?? :raises hand:

Rausch
04-30-2006, 03:53 AM
WHo's up tryin to sober up?? :raises hand:

I've got two 12's amigo, and absolutely no intentions of being sober for the next 46...

Sure-Oz
04-30-2006, 03:54 AM
I've got two 12's amigo, and absolutely no intentions of being sober for the next 46...
been drinkin since 630 stopped like 1am ughhh, drank abotu 5 bottles of water tryin to prevent a major hangover..

suprisngly im typing well. i want to get ****ed up agian but work monday :banghead:

Rausch
04-30-2006, 03:59 AM
been drinkin since 630 stopped like 1am ughhh, drank abotu 5 bottles of water tryin to prevent a major hangover..

suprisngly im typing well. i want to get ****ed up agian but work monday :banghead:

Since you said work I assume you don't mean a career.

That said, **** the job. Jobs pay bills, careers make you happy.

Sometimes a body just needs ta' let it all go, enjoy a bit of what the world has to offer, and gather up for the next bit of "fun."

Sure-Oz
04-30-2006, 04:00 AM
Since you said work I assume you don't mean a career.

That said, **** the job. Jobs pay bills, careers make you happy.

Sometimes a body just needs ta' let it all go, enjoy a bit of what the world has to offer, and gather up for the next bit of "fun."
exactly just payin the bills, i should say **** the job too, career will be coming soon hopeflly.

Miles
04-30-2006, 04:02 AM
What? Are you serious? He might work out. Really. I mean, the Chiefs have to draft, develope and play a successful QB eventually. What I am saying is that the Chiefs have never drafted a successful QB, and I would have rather wasted a pick on a CB or DT.

I get it. Since we haven't been able to draft a QB in the past its not worth it. Yeah that makes perfect sense.

Miles
04-30-2006, 04:03 AM
WHo's up tryin to sober up?? :raises hand:

I need to. As random as it sounds I would like to wake up and go skiing tomorrow.

ChiefsFanatic
04-30-2006, 04:06 AM
I get it. Since we haven't been able to draft a QB in the past its not worth it. Yeah that makes perfect sense.

No. It's just not worth it in the 3rd round, especially since our pressing needs are on defense. Who would have a better chance at making an impact this year? A third-string rookie QB who will not get on the field, or a rookie CB who might play in nickel coverage or special teams.

Rausch
04-30-2006, 04:06 AM
exactly just payin the bills, i should say **** the job too, career will be coming soon hopeflly.

The best advice I can give is that what seems most important now will be laughable later.

No matter what happens, don't quit being able to laugh.

The best humor is the kind no one else will ever understand.

It's yer own stupidity... :)

Miles
04-30-2006, 04:12 AM
No. It's just not worth it in the 3rd round, especially since our pressing needs are on defense. Who would have a better chance at making an impact this year? A third-string rookie QB who will not get on the field, or a rookie CB who might play in nickel coverage or special teams.

That makes much more sense than Croyle will fail because we drafted him. I would have prefered someone that would make more impact this year a well but part of the nature of drafting QBs is to develop them on the bench for a year or two. QB was definitly a future need.

Sure-Oz
04-30-2006, 04:12 AM
The best advice I can give is that what seems most important now will be laughable later.

No matter what happens, don't quit being able to laugh.

The best humor is the kind no one else will ever understand.

It's yer own stupidity... :)
good point...sometimes ya gotta just enjoy it a bit more, i did that tonight though, seems during the week its the same ole thing till i graduate and move on. I may just have to do more shit during the week rather than hope for it during 1 night of the weeknd.

Rausch
04-30-2006, 04:24 AM
good point...sometimes ya gotta just enjoy it a bit more-


Nope, just stop there.

Sure-Oz
04-30-2006, 04:38 AM
Nope, just stop there.
will do :)

chop
04-30-2006, 07:34 AM
FYI, Merrill Hoge and Ron Jaworski were talking aobut QB's during the first round of the draft yesterday. Jaworski said that he thought Kellen Clemsen will be the best QB of this group after 5 years in the league. Merrill Hoge picked Croyle as the best in this years draft. I know it's just an opinion but I thought I would throw it out here.

the Talking Can
04-30-2006, 07:39 AM
No. It's just not worth it in the 3rd round, especially since our pressing needs are on defense. Who would have a better chance at making an impact this year? A third-string rookie QB who will not get on the field, or a rookie CB who might play in nickel coverage or special teams.

we've got a rookie CB on our roster from last year...what's his name...

milkman
04-30-2006, 07:39 AM
FYI, Merrill Hoge and Ron Jaworski were talking aobut QB's during the first round of the draft yesterday. Jaworski said that he thought Kellen Clemsen will be the best QB of this group after 5 years in the league. Merrill Hoge picked Croyle as the best in this years draft. I know it's just an opinion but I thought I would throw it out here.

Concussion boy is an idiot, which now leaves me with concerns about Croyle.

the Talking Can
04-30-2006, 07:40 AM
FYI, Merrill Hoge and Ron Jaworski were talking aobut QB's during the first round of the draft yesterday. Jaworski said that he thought Kellen Clemsen will be the best QB of this group after 5 years in the league. Merrill Hoge picked Croyle as the best in this years draft. I know it's just an opinion but I thought I would throw it out here.

we could use a visit from Hoge...always livens up the board...

the Talking Can
04-30-2006, 07:40 AM
Concussion boy is an idiot, which now leaves me with concerns about Croyle.
ROFL

my exact thought....

milkman
04-30-2006, 07:43 AM
No. It's just not worth it in the 3rd round, especially since our pressing needs are on defense. Who would have a better chance at making an impact this year? A third-string rookie QB who will not get on the field, or a rookie CB who might play in nickel coverage or special teams.

There are times when a gift lands in your lap and you just have to accept it.

Brodie Croyle is a kid with potential, who some had projected to go much earlier.
When a guy like that is sitting there for the picking, you have to dismiss the thought of needs, and take the guy that has the potential to secure your future at the most important position on the football field.

Mecca
04-30-2006, 07:46 AM
I've calmed down a little bit here.......I still think we need a FS and a CB though.

jspchief
04-30-2006, 07:50 AM
Brodie Croyle!!!!!



For me, this is the most exciting non-first round pick in a very long time.

The Chiefs haven't had a QB prospect like this on their roster since never. The only downside to this guy is his injury history. I'll admit that history deserves consideration, but it also allowed us to get a late 1st/early 2nd round QB late in the 3rd.

I couldn't imagine a better situation to bring in a guy like Croyle. He'll get a few years to bulk up and assimilate to the league, before taking over the reigns. It's the perfect scenario to groom your next QB.

As for those people whining about KC's history of developing a QB, that's a f*cking ridiculous reason to stop trying. We will need a QB in a year or two, and this guy has the potential to be a hell of a lot better than veteran cast-off bums like Joey Harrington. He's not going to help make us a winner today, but he could be huge down the road.

And those same people that say we can't develop a QB... Name the last DT we drafted that panned out? How many CBs have we taken that have worked? (One. Dale Carter). Don't cry about our inability to groom QBs, and turn around and say we need DTs and CBs in the same breath. You're talking out of both sides of your ass.

Mecca
04-30-2006, 07:53 AM
The Croyle pick is fine, it's good value at the spot. I'll wait till after this day is over before I decide what I think of this draft.

jspchief
04-30-2006, 07:58 AM
The Croyle pick is fine, it's good value at the spot. I'll wait till after this day is over before I decide what I think of this draft.You have to take into consideration who else was available.

It's fine to think we still need players at other positions, but who's out there that was worth that pick.

The thing that sucks is not having a 4th. This is the round where teams have all night to rearrange their draft boards in light of guys that slipped to the second day. It's a chance for teams to target the guys they expected to be gone already.

StcChief
04-30-2006, 08:02 AM
We get to pick up what's left in the 5th.......
Hope Herman turns out to be worth a 4th round pick.

the Talking Can
04-30-2006, 08:06 AM
We get to pick up what's left in the 5th.......
Hope Herman turns out to be worth a 4th round pick.

lunch at Gates is worth a 4th....

Brock
04-30-2006, 08:08 AM
The Croyle pick is fine, it's good value at the spot. I'll wait till after this day is over before I decide what I think of this draft.

Didn't you say he was "made of glass"?

Mile High Mania
04-30-2006, 08:09 AM
The thing that sucks is not having a 4th. This is the round where teams have all night to rearrange their draft boards in light of guys that slipped to the second day. It's a chance for teams to target the guys they expected to be gone already.

I'm mixed on Denver's day 1 in regards to help in 2006, but I do like the move for Walker. Regarding round 4 and your comments, I am excited to see what Denver can do with 3 picks (late picks) in this round.

The first pick in the round is 98 and Denver has 119, 126 and 130. There's still a lot of talent left and I'm done guessing what Denver will do at this point. I would hope that maybe S or Dline, possibly RB were on their list.

jspchief
04-30-2006, 08:13 AM
Didn't you say he was "made of glass"?I've been a huge Croyle fan all off-season. But the injury concerns are legit. His knees blow more than gochiefs on Chewbacca.

But that injury concern is also what allowed us to get a very good prospect late in the 3rd round. It's the trade-off for getting talented players late.

For me, the hope is it was a matter of bad luck, and that he can bulk up in the next few years while awaiting his shot.

jspchief
04-30-2006, 08:16 AM
I'm mixed on Denver's day 1 in regards to help in 2006, but I do like the move for Walker. Regarding round 4 and your comments, I am excited to see what Denver can do with 3 picks (late picks) in this round.

The first pick in the round is 98 and Denver has 119, 126 and 130. There's still a lot of talent left and I'm done guessing what Denver will do at this point. I would hope that maybe S or Dline, possibly RB were on their list.I think Denver did pretty alright, but agree that it won't translate to immediate help beyond Walker. I don't understand why you guys took Sheffer over Byrd or Pope.

I could see you targeting Ko Simpson in the 4th. Maybe even moving up for him. He seems like he'd be a good heir to John Lynch.

angel
04-30-2006, 08:23 AM
he's not a bad looking fellow... :hmmm:

jspchief
04-30-2006, 08:24 AM
he's not a bad looking fellow... :hmmm:I'm rubbing one out to his picture as I type this.

milkman
04-30-2006, 08:24 AM
he's not a bad looking fellow... :hmmm:

Yeah, that was Carl and Hermie's primary consideration.

Gotta sell tickets to the ladies.

milkman
04-30-2006, 08:25 AM
I'm rubbing one out to his picture as I type this.

ROFL

GoChiefs, is that you?

angel
04-30-2006, 08:26 AM
Yeah, that was Carl and Hermie's primary consideration.

Gotta sell tickets to the ladies.
no, that's what we've got Trent Green and Tony G for... I mean, that's why I'm here... :)

Bwana
04-30-2006, 08:26 AM
I'm rubbing one out to his picture as I type this.

OH NO YOU DIDN'T! :shake:

ROFL

angel
04-30-2006, 08:30 AM
I'm rubbing one out to his picture as I type this.

you've gotta do what you've gotta do...

jspchief
04-30-2006, 08:34 AM
OK. Maybe I'm not quite that excited about the pick. But I'm pretty damn excited.

Skip Towne
04-30-2006, 08:35 AM
he's not a bad looking fellow... :hmmm:
He has a pretty uniform too. DRAFT HIM!!!

angel
04-30-2006, 08:38 AM
He has a pretty uniform too. DRAFT HIM!!!
I have a pretty uniform, and I'm not bad looking... can I get drafted, too?

kregger
04-30-2006, 09:25 AM
Funny about those knees, the same could be said of Trent Green before we gave up a FIRST round pick for him.

Gravedigger
04-30-2006, 10:46 AM
Hey at least it wasn't marcus vick we drafted =P I'm excited as well this kid is fast the only question mark I see is his durability and ability to avoid injury. If he stays healthy he's gonna be a good heir apparent to Trent.

Otter
04-30-2006, 11:06 AM
Give me a "HELL YEAH"

htismaqe
04-30-2006, 11:07 AM
Give me a "HELL YEAH"

HELL YEAH!

jspchief
04-30-2006, 11:08 AM
HELL YEAH!

ck_IN
04-30-2006, 12:16 PM
Let not get all that excited yet. Personally I'm thinking he's a young Todd Collins.

<i>Obviously, Croyle's injury history is a major issue, because he has been hurt so often that observers doubt he will be able to stay healthy in the NFL. He lacks the foot quickness to consistently avoid pressure in the pocket, and ends up taking a lot of very hard hits -- while he can read the blitz well, his lack of foot quickness hinders his ability to consistently make good plays under pressure. When he does not stride into throws with good knee bend and aggressiveness, he struggles to throw the medium and deep passes with accuracy and zip. In key situations, Croyle has not consistently been able to put the offense on his back and make the key throw to convert the play into a first down.</i>

Bwana
04-30-2006, 12:21 PM
HELL YEAH! :thumb:


I knew you would be happy about this joe.

Coach
04-30-2006, 12:27 PM
I've been a huge Croyle fan all off-season. But the injury concerns are legit. His knees blow more than gochiefs on Chewbacca.

But that injury concern is also what allowed us to get a very good prospect late in the 3rd round. It's the trade-off for getting talented players late.

For me, the hope is it was a matter of bad luck, and that he can bulk up in the next few years while awaiting his shot.

Alabama had some issues on their O-line when Croyle was playing, not to mention that their #1 WR was lost for the season to a broken leg.

DTLB58
04-30-2006, 12:28 PM
Chiefs add Alabama’s Croyle to collection of QBs
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
National Football League Draft Profile - Brodie Croyle
The Chiefs, who went for years without a developmental quarterback to call their own, suddenly have two of them.

They drafted Alabama’s Brodie Croyle in the third round Saturday. He joins CFL refugee Casey Printers, who was signed by the Chiefs last winter.

The Chiefs’ quarterbacks are starter Trent Green, veteran reserve Damon Huard, Croyle and Printers. A fifth quarterback, James Kilian, is playing in NFL Europe but now has little chance to make next season’s roster.

The moves to stock up at quarterback have to do with Green’s age — he will be 36 in July — and the change at head coach from Dick Vermeil to Herm Edwards. Vermeil preferred backup quarterbacks who had playing experience.

Edwards doesn’t fear youth at the position. He also prefers bodies, youthful or veteran. Injuries forced him to play five quarterbacks last season when he was coaching the New York Jets.

“You can’t take that position lightly,” Edwards said. “We needed to get another quarterback in our system. We have a young guy, Printers, right now. We have two veteran quarterbacks that are very, very experienced. I hope Trent plays for another five years.

“But we also know you have to get some youth at that position. We’ve got two young guys now that can learn the system and are behind two quarterbacks that understand the system and are good teachers. It’s a great environment for them to learn in.”

The Chiefs were determined to get another quarterback as Saturday’s first three rounds progressed. They had Croyle rated closely to two other quarterbacks: Oregon’s Kellen Clemens and Clemson’s Charlie Whitehurst.

They would have drafted one of the others if they been available in the third round and Croyle wasn’t. Clemens and Whitehurst were already selected. The Chiefs hadn’t selected a quarterback in the third round or higher since they picked Virginia’s Matt Blundin in the second round in 1992.

Croyle started as a sophomore and senior at Alabama. He missed most of his junior season because of a torn right knee ligament.

He passed for 2,224 yards and 13 touchdowns last season.

“This is an ideal situation, to go into a system I’m familiar with,” Croyle said. “It’s a system we ran in college and we did a lot of the same things.”

He could have mentioned the Chiefs’ unsettled backup quarterback situation. Huard is the only veteran of the bunch and is the leader to be Green’s main reserve, but Edwards wouldn’t commit to him beyond that.

“Going into camp, he’s the number two,” Edwards said. “I anticipate that if we had to go play a game and something happened to Trent, I feel like Damon could go in there and do a good job for us.”

But Edwards left open the possibility that Croyle or Printers could steal the job from Huard. Asked whether he could live with a No. 2 quarterback who had never taken an NFL snap, Edwards said, “To make that decision right now would be very difficult. As we go on, we’ll see where we are.”

He also said the Chiefs might keep four quarterbacks on their final 53-player roster.

The Brodie Croyle file

■ Height/weight: 6 feet 2, 206 pounds

■ College: Alabama

■ Fast fact: Father John played football for Alabama, and sister Reagan played basketball for the Crimson Tide.

■ Career: Two-year starter who missed most of his junior season because of a right knee injury. Holds Alabama career records for pass completions, passing yardage and touchdown passes. As a senior, had a streak of 190 pass attempts without an interception.

■ Scouting report: Croyle played in a similar system at Alabama, so he won’t have a huge transition to the NFL in that respect. It’s not a stretch to think he could be the No. 2 quarterback when the regular season begins.

■ Who this affects: Current No. 2 quarterback Damon Huard. If either Croyle or CFL refugee Casey Printers shows well in training camp, Huard could be out of a job.

Otter
04-30-2006, 01:32 PM
Let not get all that excited yet. Personally I'm thinking he's a young Todd Collins.

For the first time since Todd Blackledge (dammit Carl) they're trying to develop the most important position in the game.

QB's like Vince Young are the Paris Hilton's of the NFL; cute and fun to watch but show me one of them that won a Super Bowl in the history of the game.

Offense is all about pocket passers, the line that protects them and what tricks they have up thier sleeve.

Put Bodie in the number 2 slot, let him learn under Green IN THE NFL, (Herm?) no NFLe bullshit, give him the job to lose and give the kid a chance to succeed.

Put the wieght on his shoulders and see how he handles it. Win or lose but let him play when his time comes.

Color me excited.

ck_IN
04-30-2006, 01:39 PM
Methinks you misunderstand me Otter. I'm not a fan of Vince Young/Mike Vick type QB's. I like pocket passers with strong arms and heads.

I'm just wondering of Brodie qualifies. The writeup on him seems to say he's a smart kid who has injury issues and a weak arm. In a west coast offense the arm wouldn't be an issue. In our O it will be.

keg in kc
04-30-2006, 01:46 PM
I'm just wondering of Brodie qualifies. The writeup on him seems to say he's a smart kid who has injury issues and a weak arm. In a west coast offense the arm wouldn't be an issue. In our O it will be.I haven't read anywhere that he has a weak arm. Or at least that's not the way I interpreted what I've read. I actually heard one analyst this afternoon on Sporting News Radio say that he might have the strongest arm in the draft class (his words, not mine...) while they were discussing the pick.

If anything, I read the profile and think "this is a younger Trent Green". Cerebral, can read the field, not a cannon but able to make all the throws. More fragile (I never saw Green as injury prone), although having the kind of o-line we have can maybe help with that. I mean, who would've thought that Green would ever go four years without missing a start...

All that said, I still think it's a bit of a head-scratching pick. I expected immediate impact, likely defense, not a project. Be interesting to see how it turns out.

Otter
04-30-2006, 01:46 PM
Methinks you misunderstand me Otter. I'm not a fan of Vince Young/Mike Vick type QB's. I like pocket passers with strong arms and heads.

I'm just wondering of Brodie qualifies. The writeup on him seems to say he's a smart kid who has injury issues and a weak arm. In a west coast offense the arm wouldn't be an issue. In our O it will be.

Vince Young comment was kinda off the wall.

No one knows what Brodie is capable of at this point, I just don't want to see him stuck in the blackhole in NFLe like the Chiefs have done with Pat Barnes and Kilian. Just wanna see him given a chance to succeed no matter what the pundits have to say.

jspchief
04-30-2006, 01:48 PM
Croyle doesn't have a weak arm. He may not be a bomber, but he can throw the ball.

JBucc
04-30-2006, 01:49 PM
I believe he won the strong arm contest with VY, Whitehurst and Olson.

htismaqe
04-30-2006, 01:52 PM
I believe he won the strong arm contest with VY, Whitehurst and Olson.

He did.

ck_IN
04-30-2006, 01:54 PM
From nfl.com.

<i>When he does not stride into throws with good knee bend and aggressiveness, he struggles to throw the medium and deep passes with accuracy and zip.</i>

I am a graduate of public skewl but to me that means he doesn't have the ability to put heat on the ball unless he can step into it which means if the pocket isn't perfect he'll toss floaters.

I've nothing against the kid. I hope he does succeed. I'm just not painting him as a QBotF. More like the backupQBotF.

jspchief
04-30-2006, 01:58 PM
From nfl.com.

When he does not stride into throws with good knee bend and aggressiveness, he struggles to throw the medium and deep passes with accuracy and zip.

I am a graduate of public skewl but to me that means he doesn't have the ability to put heat on the ball unless he can step into it which means of the pocket isn't perfect he'll toss floaters.

I've nothing against the kid. I hope he does succeed. I'm just not painting him as a QBotF. More like the backupQBotF.From NFL Draft Countdown.

Has a Cannon for an arm...


He could stand to add uppr body strength, but he'll get that chance in the NFL. The guy's arm strength will not be a concern.

keg in kc
04-30-2006, 01:59 PM
I don't have a quote but the comment I remember reading is that he sometimes loses his form on deep throws. That's coachable, or should be.

And backup qbotf is what I see him as, as well. He doesn't shout "starter" to me. Which doesn't mean he won't be. There's a lot of starters in the NFL these days that I never expected to see there.

Raiderhader
04-30-2006, 02:34 PM
Give me a "HELL YEAH"


HELL YEAH!!!

chief4life
04-30-2006, 03:13 PM
He did.

He threw it 70 yards :)

chief4life
04-30-2006, 03:16 PM
Croyle doesn't have a weak arm. He may not be a bomber, but he can throw the ball.


throwing a ball 70 yards isnt a bomber?

jspchief
04-30-2006, 03:22 PM
throwing a ball 70 yards isnt a bomber?In a distance competition? Sure.

But when playing football, where you don't get to take a running start it's a little different.

As is, he's not going to be throwing 70 yards passes in the NFL. He may get a better deep ball with some added upper body strength, but I still don't consider him a bomber.

chief4life
04-30-2006, 03:24 PM
In a distance competition? Sure.

But when playing football, where you don't get to take a running start it's a little different.

As is, he's not going to be throwing 70 yards passes in the NFL. He may get a better deep ball with some added upper body strength, but I still don't consider him a bomber.

neither is trent and in this offense you dont need a bomber I think he is a great fit

jspchief
04-30-2006, 03:26 PM
neither is trent and in this offense you dont need a bomber I think he is a great fitI agree.

I love the pick. Hell, I changed my avatar to Croyle.

Someone said he had a weak arm, I disagreed. But I also don't think he's going to be throwing bombs. He's got a strong arm and great touch.

Otter
04-30-2006, 03:28 PM
From nfl.com.

When he does not stride into throws with good knee bend and aggressiveness, he struggles to throw the medium and deep passes with accuracy and zip.

I am a graduate of public skewl but to me that means he doesn't have the ability to put heat on the ball unless he can step into it which means if the pocket isn't perfect he'll toss floaters.

I've nothing against the kid. I hope he does succeed. I'm just not painting him as a QBotF. More like the backupQBotF.I just saw up a cheerleaders skirt for the first time in my Chiefs History. Don't try and reason with me.

:D

Coach
04-30-2006, 03:35 PM
Switch to ESPN soon here if you got ESPN. ESPN will be doing a skit on Brodie Croyle.

Crush
04-30-2006, 03:35 PM
I think ESPN is about to show a special on Croyle.

Raiderhader
04-30-2006, 03:35 PM
I just saw up a cheerleaders skirt for the first time in my Chiefs History. Don't try and reason with me.

:p


ROFL

banyon
04-30-2006, 03:39 PM
Brodie Croyle feature replaying on ESPN now.

Count Alex's Wins
04-30-2006, 03:41 PM
Brodie...cut your damn hair.

Ultra Peanut
04-30-2006, 03:44 PM
Brodie Croyle feature replaying on ESPN now.Holy crap, I remember seeing that before. I'd totally forgotten that about him.

We're getting a weird mix of character (Hali, Croyle) and surly attitudes (Pollard, Webb)...

JBucc
04-30-2006, 03:45 PM
Brodie...cut your damn hair.that should be part of his rookie hazing

Spicy McHaggis
04-30-2006, 03:53 PM
Brodie...cut your damn hair.

Never! It's the source of his powers!

Crush
04-30-2006, 03:55 PM
Never! It's the source of his powers!



Exactly