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jspchief
04-30-2006, 10:40 AM
It's the young guy's place to shut your mouth and pay attention. Not the vet's place to put his arm around the rookie and mentor him, it's the coach's job.

Sounds like he's not real eager to help develop Croyle. A little disappointing.

SLAG
04-30-2006, 10:40 AM
Well I can't argue with what he said

KC kid
04-30-2006, 10:41 AM
He gave a good true answer. . . not that he doesn't want to help, the young player's career is the young player's responsibility.

the Talking Can
04-30-2006, 10:42 AM
I think the idea of vets embracing and teaching rookies is largely a myth...this is about jobs...

Crush
04-30-2006, 10:42 AM
Why should he? It should be Croyle's responsibility along with help from the QB coach and offensive coordinator.

Mecca
04-30-2006, 10:42 AM
It's always real good for our team when we have players who don't want to help young players....

Or bitch about it when we want to get another player cough eddie kennison cough.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-30-2006, 10:43 AM
That doesn't sound like a Trent Green answer at all. I take it he was nonplussed with this selection.

milkman
04-30-2006, 10:43 AM
It's the young guy's place to shut your mouth and pay attention. Not the vet's place to put his arm around the rookie and mentor him, it's the coach's job.

Sounds like he's not real eager to help develop Croyle. A little disappointing.

I thought it was more like he said it's not his job to to chase him down and offer up info, but if the kid wants to come to him, he has an open policy, and will answer any questions he has.

JBucc
04-30-2006, 10:44 AM
I thought it was more like he said it's not his job to to chase him down and offer up info, but if the kid wants to come to him, he has an open policy, and will answer any questions he has.
that's kinda what I heard

htismaqe
04-30-2006, 10:44 AM
Self-preservation, plain and simple.

I didn't expect him to say anything different.

KChiefs1
04-30-2006, 10:46 AM
He said it would have been disrespectful if the Chiefs would have used a first rounder on a QB too.

Wile_E_Coyote
04-30-2006, 10:46 AM
I thought it was more like he said it's not his job to to chase him down and offer up info, but if the kid wants to come to him, he has an open policy, and will answer any questions he has.

that's how I heard it

wazu
04-30-2006, 10:47 AM
I just watched that same interview. He made it clear that he has no intention of handing the reigns to Croyle.

He checked himself a little by saying that if somebody comes to him and asks questions, that he will help them out. Still, his demeaner was a side of Green I haven't seen in an interview before.

Nothing too controversial, but definitely a reality check.

jspchief
04-30-2006, 10:47 AM
I thought it was more like he said it's not his job to to chase him down and offer up info, but if the kid wants to come to him, he has an open policy, and will answer any questions he has.He did say he'd answer questions. But he didn't really sound like he was too eager to help.

Can't say I blame him. It would be nice for older players to recognize when they are nearing the end though and be cooperative about making the next geberation of the team better. I know it's a bit candyland, but I think to think of my team as a bunch of the good guys.

the Talking Can
04-30-2006, 10:48 AM
I just watched that same interview. He made it clear that he has no intention of handing the reigns to Croyle.

He checked himself a little by saying that if somebody comes to him and asks questions, that he will help them out. Still, his demeaner was a side of Green I haven't seen in an interview before.

Nothing too controversial, but definitely a reality check.

light another fire for Green..even vets need new motivations, I like it..

buddha
04-30-2006, 10:50 AM
Green's responsibility is to run the offense...period. He's not there to "groom" anybody or make sure KC has a successor ready when it's time for him to go. Personally, I'd rather he focus on his job and leave the coaching to the coaches.

FAX
04-30-2006, 10:51 AM
Green restructured his contract to help the team build defense and they draft a QB.

Green has a job to do. He wants to win as much as anyone.

Green is not a baby sitter.

If the baby QB has a question, Green will answer it.

No problems here with Green.

FAX

milkman
04-30-2006, 10:52 AM
He did say he'd answer questions. But he didn't really sound like he was too eager to help.

Can't say I blame him. It would be nice for older players to recognize when they are nearing the end though and be cooperative about making the next geberation of the team better. I know it's a bit candyland, but I think to think of my team as a bunch of the good guys.

I thought he was trying to be a little diplomatic in his response, in light of Favre's response to the same question last season.

Wile_E_Coyote
04-30-2006, 10:52 AM
here let me show you how to make millions, my millions

Chief Roundup
04-30-2006, 10:54 AM
All of the other players on the show agreed and basicly said the same thing.

chief52
04-30-2006, 11:08 AM
I thought it was more like he said it's not his job to to chase him down and offer up info, but if the kid wants to come to him, he has an open policy, and will answer any questions he has.

That is what I heard as well. Good, open, honest and correct answer if you ask me. He gets to watch everything he does 24/7 and listen to him in all meetings. He will have more than he can soak in there...

Fish
04-30-2006, 11:16 AM
Trent is gonna haze the shit out of Croyle's ass....... ROFL...

bringbackmarty
04-30-2006, 11:29 AM
Green restructured his contract to help the team build defense and they draft a QB.

Green has a job to do. He wants to win as much as anyone.

Green is not a baby sitter.

If the baby QB has a question, Green will answer it.

No problems here with Green.

FAX
Exactly, where the **** is his wide reciever carl has been promising him for 3 years.

Moooo
04-30-2006, 11:35 AM
Green has had a long road to being a starter, and I think he's maybe getting a little worried being the man in an offense where the coach isn't in love with him :-) I don't think Herm's gonna go messing with the only QB to throw for over 4,000 yards the last 3 seasons, but 3-4 years from now, Green will be flat out old. QB takes time, for example, IMO Phillip Rivers is starting at an ideal time.

Moooo

dirk digler
04-30-2006, 11:37 AM
I am curious how you guys deal when your company hires a new guy that does the same job as you. Do you go out of your way to show the new guy everything or do you let him figure it out on his own?

jAZ
04-30-2006, 11:37 AM
I think the idea of vets embracing and teaching rookies is largely a myth...this is about jobs...
If you've watched the Priest Holmes edition of beyond the glory, you'll hear Jamal Lewis talk about how supportive and generous Priest was in supporting him. Priest even scheduled their weekly RB film sessions at Jamal's house to be sure he was there and spent each session coaching Jamal... who immediately took his starting job.

JBucc
04-30-2006, 11:39 AM
If you've watched the Priest Holmes edition of beyond the glory, you'll hear Jamal Lewis talk about how supportive and generous Priest was in supporting him. Priest even scheduled their weekly RB film sessions at Jamal's house to be sure he was there and spent each session coaching Jamal... who immediately took his starting job.Which is probably why he didn't want to mentor LJ and Green doesn't want to go out of his way to mentor Croyle. Last time Green lost his job, his replacement led his team to the Super Bowl.

ChiefFripp
04-30-2006, 11:40 AM
You want the truth?! You can't handle the TRUTH!

Well I'd rather Green tell it like it is instead of spoonfeeding us sugar-coated words that we can eat up readily.

jAZ
04-30-2006, 11:42 AM
My guess is Trent will do a great deal to help him, and part of it starts with "tough love" of sorts, by being consistant in reinforcing that no one can help a rookie more than the rookie himself.

Once a rookie adopts that mentality, they have already learned their first very important lesson about success in the NFL.

CoMoChief
04-30-2006, 11:43 AM
Why does everyone think that veterans will immediately mentor a rookie QB? IIRC We have a new OC and Trent Green has enough concerns right now with learning somwhat new plays and some new terminology, mentoring a QB that probably wont start a game for us for at least 3 seasons (including this upcoming one) is more than likely not on his priority list.

If Croyle wants to learn the ropes its up to him to show the initiative that he wants to learn. I'm more than sure that if he wants to learn from Green, that Green will be more than happy to teach him whatever he can because Trent is a fantastic teammate, but having that said, its totally up to Croyle because Croyle has to take into account that he'll be riding the pine a few seasons.

FAX
04-30-2006, 11:43 AM
Green isn't worried about his job. Green knows there isn't another QB on the roster qualified to carry his briefcase. Green wants to win a SB. Green wants a defense. Green wants a possession wide out. Green just watched CP draft a QB in the third round after giving up millions to help the Chiefs build a D before everyone in the offense f*cking retires. Green was asked a question. Green answered it.

Still no problem here with Green.

FAX

Wile_E_Coyote
04-30-2006, 11:45 AM
Kilian, Printers, Croyle...Trent's gonna be bugged to death. Huard better learn to block for him

jspchief
04-30-2006, 11:47 AM
Kilian, Printers, Croyle...Trent's gonna be bugged to death. Huard better learn to block for himKilian's a goner.

Wile_E_Coyote
04-30-2006, 11:52 AM
Kilian's a goner.

that puts Printers on the PS unless he can knock off Huard :grovel:

chief52
04-30-2006, 12:03 PM
I am curious how you guys deal when your company hires a new guy that does the same job as you. Do you go out of your way to show the new guy everything or do you let him figure it out on his own?

It depends 100% on the attitude and enthusiasm of the new hire for me. There are guys I sit and watch screw themselves over and there are guys I invite for a beer and talk over a better way they could have done something from my perspective. It totally varies.

ck_IN
04-30-2006, 12:24 PM
I don't have a problem with his answer. I think he's well aware that Croyle isn't a threat to him. He's only a threat to Huard, Printers, etc. He's not a QBotF unless we switch to a west coast offense.

Thig Lyfe
04-30-2006, 12:34 PM
I think Croyle was a fantastic pick despite the fact that it was not defense. It would be a consensus great pick if Carl were doing anything for defense at all in free agency.

And I like the answer from Trent as well.

BigRock
04-30-2006, 12:38 PM
Trent said the exact same thing about young QBs last year during the draft, and he said it well before the Chiefs ended up taking Killian. His answer is his answer, it has nothing to do with him not wanting to help Croyle or any such thing.

Ebolapox
05-01-2006, 12:00 AM
he's basically saying in so many words that he's a lead by example guy... he's not going to go out of his way, he's going to make croyle work to get the info he needs--basically, weeding out the player if he doesn't put the work and dedication that TRENT GREEN put into football to make him who he is today...I think croyle will be a better player for having been 'mentored' by trent green in this fashion

ChiefsCountry
05-01-2006, 12:07 AM
Croyle needs to learn all he can from Trent. He is a professional on and off the field. Now if he can teach Croyle how to throw a block.

Basileus777
05-01-2006, 12:19 AM
I don't have a problem with his answer. I think he's well aware that Croyle isn't a threat to him. He's only a threat to Huard, Printers, etc. He's not a QBotF unless we switch to a west coast offense.
Croyle played in a Coryell offense in college, he should fit fine in this offense.

Mosbonian
05-01-2006, 12:22 AM
I am curious how you guys deal when your company hires a new guy that does the same job as you. Do you go out of your way to show the new guy everything or do you let him figure it out on his own?

I have this philosophy.....

I will train any of my Team Members well enough that they could take my job, but continually re-invent myself so that I am a continuous valued asset to the company.

m:mad:dog
*******

Earthling
05-01-2006, 01:25 AM
The old dogs always have to nip the young pups and let them know who is boss.

Halfcan
05-01-2006, 01:58 AM
Green will guide the Chiefs to the next two SB wins and then ride off into the sunset.

greg63
05-01-2006, 03:21 AM
It's the young guy's place to shut your mouth and pay attention. Not the vet's place to put his arm around the rookie and mentor him, it's the coach's job.

Sounds like he's not real eager to help develop Croyle. A little disappointing.

As disappointing as it might be I still respect Green because he has paid his dues; just because he recognizes the fact that it is not his job to baby sit the rookies doesn't mean he is any less a person or an athlete.



...Or a team player for that matter.

Chan93lx50
05-01-2006, 05:41 AM
He basically said he is not going to take Croyle in as his little pet.

There is 3 other QB fighting for jobs and playing favoritism to one would not be fair to the others. Its not his job to pick who is going to be his successor, its his job to QB this team to a SB

greg63
05-01-2006, 05:47 AM
Green will guide the Chiefs to the next two SB wins and then ride off into the sunset.


...Straight to the Chiefs front office.

JimNasium
05-01-2006, 06:29 AM
IIRC We have a new OC and Trent Green has enough concerns right now with learning somwhat new plays and some new terminology, mentoring a QB that probably wont start a game for us for at least 3 seasons (including this upcoming one) is more than likely not on his priority list.

This isn't going to be a new offense. Solari will most certainly add his own touches but the terminology should remain constant and will probably even have some of Trent's influence.