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vailpass
05-01-2006, 10:59 AM
I have no freaking idea who John Czarnecki is but I like him already
ROFL
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5559064?GT1=8192

Grading the 2006 NFL draft
John Czarnecki / FOXSports.com
Posted: 1 hour ago

With the NFL draft now a thing of the past, it's time to hand out some grades.


3. Denver: Months ago, the Broncos started out with the 29th overall pick in the first round and somehow made several trades and ended up with Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler and Green Bay's Pro-Bowl receiver Javon Walker. The bottom line is that Mike Shanahan improved his team, especially if Walker produces like he did in 2004. Western Michigan TE Tony Scheffler is a Wesley Walls-type while Louisville pass rusher Elvis Dumervil had 20 sacks last season. Dumervil has a great motor and should help on nickel defense. A very productive draft when you consider Walker and Cutler are Broncos. Picked up Bronco-like offensive linemen in Chris Kuper and Greg Eslinger in the later rounds. Grade: A

15. Oakland: Al Davis decided on Friday that he was going with Texas safety Michael Huff, who has the athletic ability to play some cornerback in nickel situations. Huff will be a sure starter; he's the fifth defensive back taken by Davis in the first round in the last eight drafts. USC safety Darnell Bing probably will moved to linebacker because he's such a good tackler. They definitely reached on Weber State guard Paul McQuistan, who most teams had as a second-day choice. Thomas Howard, the UTEP linebacker, is a project who could become a star in two or three years. Most teams liked Howard's upside. The local newspapers had a field-day on Sunday while poking fun at new head coach Art Shell for calling Matt Leinart "Michael" Leinart. The Raiders were also booed for selecting Maine WR Kevin McMahan over Virginia Tech bad-boy quarterback Marcus Vick with the final pick of the entire draft. :shake: Grade: C

26. San Diego: Took total potential in the first round with cornerback Antonio Cromartie, who didn't even play last season at Florida State because of a torn ACL. But he was a workout warrior with a 42-inch vertical jump and several 40s in the 4.3 range. But he does have the size (6-2, 210) to be a quality starter if he can play! Big question. Clemson QB Charlie Whitehurst had good games and awful games. A.J. Smith took a big chance in the second round with huge Auburn OT Marcus McNeill, whose narrowing spinal-cord column could limit his years in the NFL, according to some teams. Grade: C-

28. Kansas City: The Chiefs took some great character players in Penn State defensive end Tamba Hali, Purdue safety Bernard Pollard and Alabama quarterback Brodie Croyle, but the general consensus is that they reached on all three of these players. Hali may be simply a situational pass rusher and Croyle has had so many injuries that one ESPN commentator said he may have to sit for two years before he's really ready to contribute. Grade: D

MichaelH
05-01-2006, 11:01 AM
All I read into it is ESPN's love for the donkeys.

Bowser
05-01-2006, 11:02 AM
This guy must have had all three inches of Bowlen's cocque up in him when he typed this.

vailpass
05-01-2006, 11:02 AM
All I read into it is ESPN's love for the donkeys.

I hear ya (except for it's a FOX Sports ranking).
Seriously though, you can read 20 different rankings and get 20 different grades. No one knows how this draft will turn out until 2010 or so.

jspchief
05-01-2006, 11:02 AM
OK, I don't really care about the grade, but it seems pretty clear this clown has no clue.

Hali a situational rusher? No.
Bernard Pollard a character guy? Eh, not exactly.
Croyle needing two years as a negative? We have a QB named Green that might be able to fill in.

Demonpenz
05-01-2006, 11:03 AM
Not too far. The only thing i had difference is that croyal won't play at all due to chronic knee problems, but the rest is on point.

DeepSouth
05-01-2006, 11:04 AM
Croyle needing two years as a negative? We have a QB named Green that might be able to fill in.

No $hit.

Rep

MichaelH
05-01-2006, 11:05 AM
I hear ya (except for it's a FOX Sports ranking).
Seriously though, you can read 20 different rankings and get 20 different grades. No one knows how this draft will turn out until 2010 or so.

Sorry. ESPN or FOXSPORTS. Is there a differnce? :hmmm:

jspchief
05-01-2006, 11:07 AM
Not too far. The only thing i had difference is that croyal won't play at all due to chronic knee problems, but the rest is on point.Chronic knee problems? ROFL

It's a fuggin ligament tear, not arthritis.

CosmicPal
05-01-2006, 11:08 AM
I have no freaking idea who John Czarnecki is but I like him already
ROFL

...and Croyle has had so many injuries that one ESPN commentator said he may have to sit for two years before he's really ready to contribute. Grade: D

Well, if he actually LISTENED to what they were saying, he would have written it correctly. The commentators were saying Croyle is in a perfect situation because he will be behind Trent Green for two years, and in the meantime- spend those years getting that battle-tested body bulked up, primed, and ready to go.

TEX
05-01-2006, 11:10 AM
Denver did do an outstanding job of gettting "their guy." And if Walker works out, they did well there also. Time will tell. I've said over the years that I like the fact that EVERY year they seem to make moves to improve their team - even after winning the division and going 13-3. Course, when you violate the cap in the proceess, twice in a 5-year span, and merely get a slap on the wrist for it, it might make things a bit easier.:hmmm: Sill, I admire the effort.

With regards to the Chiefs, I like the first pick, am "ok" with the 2nd but feel the Chiefs could have gotten that guy later on, but am not at all pleased with the 3rd. We went into the draft needing allot but of most importance IMO were a DE, CB, and WR and we still need 2.

shaneo69
05-01-2006, 11:10 AM
Cutler won't play for at least two years. And Javon Walker is a malcontent coming off a torn ACL. It's funny that these two moves are looked upon so favorably by the media. If getting Walker means that the Broncos will be getting rid of Lelie or putting him on the bench, even better news for us.

Demonpenz
05-01-2006, 11:11 AM
Chronic knee problems? ROFL

It's a fuggin ligament tear, not arthritis.


You probably never had a ligament tear, but scare tissue builds up easily afterwords causing reduced flexibility and strength. I saw the tapes of the workouts conbined with his substance abuse problems i don't think he will ever see the field.

HolmeZz
05-01-2006, 11:11 AM
They reached on Croyle? Dumbass.

Woodrow Call
05-01-2006, 11:41 AM
On the same site they say that Croyle and Maxey were 2 of the best picks in the 3rd and 5th. Just goes to show that these grades mean nothing.

jspchief
05-01-2006, 11:41 AM
You probably never had a ligament tear, but scare tissue builds up easily afterwords causing reduced flexibility and strength. I saw the tapes of the workouts conbined with his substance abuse problems i don't think he will ever see the field.Trent Green seems to have battled through "chronic" knee problems pretty well. Maybe Croyle can too.

And what does your substance abuse problem have to do with Croyle's chance at success?

BigRock
05-01-2006, 12:01 PM
Kiper gave Denver a B and everyone else in the division a C. He expected us to draft a first-day corner, but says you can't argue with Hali.

Mile High Mania
05-01-2006, 12:04 PM
It's kinda pointless to take too much into anyone's draft grades of 32 teams less 24 hours after the draft ended.

htismaqe
05-01-2006, 12:14 PM
Cutler won't play for at least two years. And Javon Walker is a malcontent coming off a torn ACL. It's funny that these two moves are looked upon so favorably by the media. If getting Walker means that the Broncos will be getting rid of Lelie or putting him on the bench, even better news for us.

No shit.

Everybody was saying that Pollard was a huge reach because scouting services had him rated as a 4th rounder. However, Denver's 2nd-round TE was a GREAT pick with HUGE upside.

For most services, Pollard was the 5th SS on the board, after Huff, Bing, Whitner, and Bullocks. All but Bing were gone when we picked, as was Roman Harper. We may have reached, but he went right where he should have in relation to other safeties.

On the other hand, Denver's TE was rated about 7th amongst TE's on most boards (he was TWELFTH on PFW's list) and went before Byrd and Pope, who were both higher-rated.

sedated
05-01-2006, 12:14 PM
Chronic knee problems? ROFL

It's a fuggin ligament tear, not arthritis.


he has torn the same knee twice, and had a shoulder problem.

not exactly an ironman, but "chronic" is a bit of a stretch




mmm...chronic :bong:

Fish
05-01-2006, 12:15 PM
Yeah.... these grades mean about as much as all this speculation after the fact..... We won't know a damn thing until the start of the season, and even then it may be a year or so before we really know what we got.

jspchief
05-01-2006, 12:17 PM
he has torn the same knee twice, and had a shoulder problem.

not exactly an ironman, but "chronic" is a bit of a stretch




mmm...chronic :bong:No, he's torn an ACL in each knee once.

You want to call him injury prone? Go ahead, the label fits.

But I don't see how you can say there's anything chronic about his injuries, or ACL tears in general.

CupidStunt
05-01-2006, 12:18 PM
Absolutely ridiculous analysis. I'm embarrassed for the writer just reading it.

Croyle's a reach in the third-round? Idiot.

jspchief
05-01-2006, 12:19 PM
Yeah.... these grades mean about as much as all this speculation after the fact..... We won't know a damn thing until the start of the season, and even then it may be a year or so before we really know what we got.I think most of us realize these grades don't mean shit. Just like mock drafts don't, etc.

But it gives us some football related stuff to discuss. That's good enough for me.

Ultra Peanut
05-01-2006, 12:20 PM
The Chiefs took some great character players in Penn State defensive end Tamba Hali, Purdue safety Bernard Pollard and Alabama quarterback Brodie Croyle, but the general consensus is that they reached on all three of these players.What the ****?! I hope this tard didn't get paid to produce this tripe.

Hali may be a good pass-rusher, but he is a complete DE, not a specialist.

Pollard is hardly some kind of "character" guy, unless talking shit to your coach during practice and getting suspended is what a typical "character" guy does. He's a hard-working badass, but not a warm, fuzzy teddy bear like Hali and Croyle.

Croyle was a reach?! In what universe?! Croyle was one of the top ten value picks of the entire draft.

I hope this moron was fired after writing this stupid article. That paragraph alone was a remarkable feat of ignorance.

Denver did, indeed, have a great draft. But anyone who thinks the Chargers had a better draft than the Chiefs is either one of San Diego's twelve fans or smoking some epic amounts of crack.

vailpass
05-01-2006, 12:23 PM
I think most of us realize these grades don't mean shit. Just like mock drafts don't, etc.

But it gives us some football related stuff to discuss. That's good enough for me.

Exactly.

Reaper16
05-01-2006, 12:42 PM
That's too funny. It's evident that the author knows nothing about the Chiefs, let alone this draft. At all.

noa
05-01-2006, 12:52 PM
I find it funny that so many people called Hali a "reach" when Dr. Z in Sports Illustrated had us picking him in his mock draft. At least he realizes that no matter who we drafted at CB, they wouldn't be good enough to make the impact we need, so we might as well address some other issues and work on developing a good no.2 CB.

jspchief
05-01-2006, 12:55 PM
I find it funny that so many people called Hali a "reach" when Dr. Z in Sports Illustrated had us picking him in his mock draft.A ton of mocks had us taking Hali at #20.

I have no idea how he suddenly became a reach over the weekend.

Taco John
05-01-2006, 01:30 PM
COngratulations on Bono Croyle...

jspchief
05-01-2006, 01:33 PM
COngratulations on Bono Croyle...Likewise on Bubby Cutler.

Count Zarth
05-01-2006, 01:33 PM
COngratulations on Bono Croyle...

Brodie Montana.

jspchief
05-01-2006, 01:33 PM
Hey Taco, did you guys get another Barry Sanders or Darrell Green again this year?

Kclee
05-01-2006, 01:35 PM
oh man......

Thig Lyfe
05-01-2006, 02:26 PM
Croyle a reach in the 3rd round? What?

vailpass
05-01-2006, 02:28 PM
I bet Croyle has a better career than Cuttler.

Quoted for posterity.

DJJasonp
05-01-2006, 02:30 PM
This was my favorite part of the article...

Picked up Bronco-like offensive linemen in Chris Kuper and Greg Eslinger in the later rounds.

So in other words, they wear vaseline on their jerseys and they're well-trained in the art of the chop block????

Scaga
05-01-2006, 02:35 PM
Hey Taco, did you guys get another Barry Sanders or Darrell Green again this year?


Don't be stupid...
They got BOTH.....AGAIN! ROFL

penchief
05-01-2006, 02:47 PM
Situational passrusher??

Sounds like Fox needs to fire their draft analyst, Jeff Gannon. Either that or they need to stick to their areas of expertise; The WWF, great comedies, and selling fascism.

sedated
05-01-2006, 02:55 PM
It's never a good sign when the Head Coach says, "we're gonna be fine" 5 times in a row at the post-draft press conference

Tombstone RJ
05-01-2006, 03:02 PM
This was my favorite part of the article...

Picked up Bronco-like offensive linemen in Chris Kuper and Greg Eslinger in the later rounds.

So in other words, they wear vaseline on their jerseys and they're well-trained in the art of the chop block????

Bwaaaahahaha! That's good, oh man, that's just too much!

(btw, Eslinger is gonna drop the chef's LBs for a long time to come).

Cormac
05-01-2006, 03:02 PM
Likewise on Bubby Cutler.

ROFL