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Kclee
05-02-2006, 11:18 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/stewart_mandel/04/26/overrated.underrated/index.html

Yep, last year's overrated/underrated column was right on. Darren Sproles underrated? Check. Fabian Washington overrated? Check. In fact I bet this is another congratulatory call coming in now... Oh crap, it's Bears coach Lovie Smith. "You know I'm never going to let you live down that Tommie Harris/overrated bit two years ago."

Yeah, yeah, I know. Eli Manning still calls to taunt me every two weeks as well. What can I say, some years pan out better than others.

But I've got a good feeling about 2006.

Quarterback
Overrated: Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt
Let me start by saying I do think the pride of the Commodores could well be a solid NFL quarterback. Considering he spent much of his career running from unblocked pass-rushers and throwing to third-rate SEC receivers (until last season, when freshman stud Earl Bennett came on the scene), Cutler's accomplishments at Vandy -- 3,073 yards, 21 touchdowns and nine interceptions as a senior -- were nothing short of remarkable. But the mere fact that many among the NFL cognoscenti are even thinking about taking Cutler ahead of the most dangerous quarterback to come through the college ranks in years (hint: rhymes with "rinse tongue") makes Cutler overrated -- and raises serious questions about how some of these scouts themselves would perform on the Wonderlic.

Underrated: Brodie Croyle, Alabama
Considering how much emphasis the NFL puts on arm strength, you'd think they'd be falling all over themselves for this guy. Croyle has a gun (just ask the Florida secondary). His mechanics are impeccable and his natural leadership abilities had a great deal to do with the Tide jumping out to a 9-0 start last season. I'm sure his substantial injury history (he underwent shoulder and ACL surgeries while in Tuscaloosa) is helping to knock him down the pecking order, but the fifth-year senior was a picture of health last season when he completed nearly 60 percent of his passes for 2,499 yards, 14 touchdowns and just four interceptions. This, despite the fact he played behind a horrendous offensive line that allowed 39 sacks and had to work with a largely unreliable receiving corps after Tyrone Prothro went down with a broken leg.

CosmicPal
05-02-2006, 11:21 AM
I'll take the guy who shattered Joe Namath's passing history at the same school.

King_Chief_Fan
05-02-2006, 11:24 AM
Cutler is going to be great.....as long as he isn't be tutored by Plummer.

Croyle has a great chance of being great, because he is going to be tutored by Green.

htismaqe
05-02-2006, 11:25 AM
Cutler has far more upside. He was also the 11th pick overall, a pick they traded up for.

I'll take Croyle.

Woodrow Call
05-02-2006, 11:26 AM
I say this with homer glasses off, in 3 years Croyle will be the better QB of the 2. Croyle has the better arm and makes better decisions. If he bulks up a little bit and Shea coaches him up the sky is the limit.

CosmicPal
05-02-2006, 11:27 AM
Cutler has far more upside. He was also the 11th pick overall, a pick they traded up for.

I'll take Croyle.

Huh? That doesn't make any sense: Cutler has far more upside....I'll take Croyle.

You want the lesser of the better?

StcChief
05-02-2006, 11:29 AM
Croyle (no homer glasses) look like better upside if injury
don't derail him.

SNR
05-02-2006, 11:31 AM
5th-year senior?

Anyone know his wonderlic score by any chance?

DaKCMan AP
05-02-2006, 11:37 AM
Only time will tell.

In college Cutler had better numbers while Croyle had a better record. Which is more important?

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Bowser
05-02-2006, 11:40 AM
Won't know for about three years.

IIRC, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, and Heath Schuler were all pretty badass college players.

Taco John
05-02-2006, 11:42 AM
This is one of those threads where someone says they are taking off the homer glasses, and then go ahead and pick their own guy for some stupid and arbitrary reason...

Homer contacts don't fool me.

MOhillbilly
05-02-2006, 11:43 AM
Its nice to have a bona-fide prospect for QBOTF.

Chiefnj
05-02-2006, 11:50 AM
They both got QB's with good arms who took a beating in college. Denver's QB never suffered a major injury though. Advantage - Bronco's. Except for the huge QB controversy that will erupt after the first Plummer INT of the year.

Woodrow Call
05-02-2006, 11:52 AM
This is one of those threads where someone says they are taking off the homer glasses, and then go ahead and pick their own guy for some stupid and arbitrary reason...

Homer contacts don't fool me.

Who is your pick Taco?

FAX
05-02-2006, 11:54 AM
I just got a two for one deal on a new prescription for homer spectacles and I'm seeing better than ever right now.

Time will tell, of course, and I think Cutler is a fine QB. But, we have Brodie. So, I'll vote for him. Why? because winning more than 6 football games a year would be an entirely new experience for the goats' new gridiron leader.

FAX

htismaqe
05-02-2006, 11:56 AM
Huh? That doesn't make any sense: Cutler has far more upside....I'll take Croyle.

You want the lesser of the better?

Cutler has more upside, that doesn't necessarily mean he'll be better. There's a good chance he could be a complete bust too.

Neither will start next year, which means neither team needed a QB. Even if they did, Croyle is far more ready to play now than Cutler is.

To me, Cutler is an 8 out of 10 for potential and a 2 out of 10 for risk. Croyle is about a 4 or 5. When you factor in what each team gave up to get them, I'd absolutely take Croyle.

stevieray
05-02-2006, 11:56 AM
I met the scout and excoach at the draft dinner last night, who coached Namath and Stabler at Alabama, and he was really high on Brodie. Said he'll remind you of Montana. Said he's been playing in the system we run here, and his learning curve is small.

CosmicPal
05-02-2006, 11:57 AM
Who is your pick Taco?

Of course, he's going to say it's Cutler.

If for any reason, he was picked in the first round and not in the third round.

CosmicPal
05-02-2006, 12:00 PM
Cutler has more upside, that doesn't necessarily mean he'll be better. There's a good chance he could be a complete bust too.

Neither will start next year, which means neither team needed a QB. Even if they did, Croyle is far more ready to play now than Cutler is.

To me, Cutler is an 8 out of 10 for potential and a 2 out of 10 for risk. Croyle is about a 4 or 5. When you factor in what each team gave up to get them, I'd absolutely take Croyle.

Good point. But, I like Cutler chances better because Denver has a better history of drafting QB's than KC does.

Despite KC's poor history in drafting QB's, I like Croyle's chances better than any QB we drafted in the past. You have to like a guy who was knocked down on nearly every play, and to get back up and throw as well as he did with poise under pressure. We all know both he and Cutler have the intangilbles, but will they both be able to understand not only the complicated offenses, but the speed of the defenses? Only time will tell.

Whosurdaddy
05-02-2006, 12:01 PM
Wonderlic(maybee) (http://wonderlic.blogspot.com/)

htismaqe
05-02-2006, 12:04 PM
Good point. But, I like Cutler chances better because Denver has a better history of drafting QB's than KC does.

Despite KC's poor history in drafting QB's, I like Croyle's chances better than any QB we drafted in the past. You have to like a guy who was knocked down on nearly every play, and to get back up and throw as well as he did with poise under pressure. We all know both he and Cutler have the intangilbles, but will they both be able to understand not only the complicated offenses, but the speed of the defenses? Only time will tell.

Since 1982:

Buddy Funck
Todd Ellis
Shawn Moore
Tommy Maddox (25th overall)
Jeff Lewis
Brian Griese
Jarius Jackson
Matt Mauck

That's a great history of drafting QB's right there...

vailpass
05-02-2006, 12:06 PM
This is simply the funniest homer-thread I've ever seen on CP. You are SERIOUSLY debating whether Brodie "two blown ACLs, a blown shoulder, and a skinny frame" Croyle is going to be a better NFL QB than Cutler. I love it.

Oh, please put my vote in for Cutler.

(Chiefs fans are so cute to watch sometimes; ya' lovable losers you.)

Ari Chi3fs
05-02-2006, 12:07 PM
Campus: 4.9 seconds in the 40-yard dash...275-pound bench press...33.5-inch vertical jump...31 ½-inch arm length...10-inch hands...Right-handed...24/42 Wonderlic score.

http://www2.jsonline.com/packer/insider/draft/2006/biosdetail.aspx?fname=Brodie&lname=Croyle&pos=QB

Taco John
05-02-2006, 12:09 PM
I'm going to make a reach here and say it's the guy who went in the top 15 over the guy who went at position #85.

Given that Croyle is a walking surgery (missed his senior season of high school with a torn left ACL, separated his shoulder during the 2004 season, tore his right ACL in 2004), I have my doubts he'll even play much at this level.


Aside from that, I can only go on scouting reports, where Cutler has Croyle beat in just about every category. Cutler has proven already to be a better third down quarterback, which I think is crucial at this level. Cutler is faster on his feet than Croyle is, and that lack of speed has hurt Croyle's third down conversion percentage. Cutler has proven to be more natural than Croyle at making a second chance at a play happen, due to his athleticism and ability to escape.

According to the scouting reports, there's a reason why Cutler was drafted at 11 and Croyle was drafted at 85. You definitely got good value at the spot... That's a nice place to draft a Quarterback with Croyle's upside and downside. Bottom line, if Croyle were tougher, he'd probably have been a first rounder.

CosmicPal
05-02-2006, 12:09 PM
Since 1982:

Buddy Funck
Todd Ellis
Shawn Moore
Tommy Maddox (25th overall)
Jeff Lewis
Brian Griese
Jarius Jackson
Matt Mauck

That's a great history of drafting QB's right there...

John Elway.

Brian Griese at least ended up a starter, as did Maddox.

Who have we drafted since that period?

Blackledge? :shake:
Fuller? He did become a starter
Blundin? :shake:

And gawd knows who else.

Of course, you can make the argument that Denver didn't draft Elway, they instead STOLE his arrogant California azz.

NewChief
05-02-2006, 12:11 PM
In all likelihood they'll both end up sucking and we won't even remember them in 3-4 years.

vailpass
05-02-2006, 12:11 PM
Campus: 4.9 seconds in the 40-yard dash...275-pound bench press...33.5-inch vertical jump...31 ½-inch arm length...10-inch hands...Right-handed...24/42 Wonderlic score.

http://www2.jsonline.com/packer/insider/draft/2006/biosdetail.aspx?fname=Brodie&lname=Croyle&pos=QB

Cutler:
Campus: 4.81 in the 40-yard dash...400-pound bench press...Bench pressed 225 pounds 27 times...480-pound squat...295-pound power clean...315-pound hang clean...32-inch vertical jump...31 ½-inch arm length...9 3/8-inch hands...Right-handed...26/36 Wonderlic score.

http://www2.jsonline.com/packer/insider/draft/2006/biosdetail.aspx?fname=Jay&lname=Cutler&pos=QB

Taco John
05-02-2006, 12:12 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/croyle_brodie


http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/cutler_jay

Iowanian
05-02-2006, 12:26 PM
I think its far too early to tell, and in truth, due to the fact that Cutler was traded UP in the first round to select, and the Chiefs drafted Croyle in the 3rd more would be expected of the newest Elway replacement.

They both had some Oline issues in college and subpar WRs. From the little I've seen and what I've read, Cutler has a great arm, but Croyle has a little more power and good accuracy.

I think it will boil down to many factors we can't predict..Oline, WRs, coaching and mental capacity under pressure.....and injuries.

Today....I'll give Cutler the Nod.

Ask me again in 3 years.

htismaqe
05-02-2006, 12:33 PM
Denver did not draft Elway.

Ebolapox
05-02-2006, 12:39 PM
John Elway.

Brian Griese at least ended up a starter, as did Maddox.

Who have we drafted since that period?

Blackledge? :shake:
Fuller? He did become a starter
Blundin? :shake:

And gawd knows who else.

Of course, you can make the argument that Denver didn't draft Elway, they instead STOLE his arrogant California azz.

the then baltimore colts (now indy) drafted john elway

vailpass
05-02-2006, 12:39 PM
Denver did not draft Elway.

We asked nicely for him.

Ari Chi3fs
05-02-2006, 12:44 PM
I think at this time, Cutler is the one... but, when pads are on... who knows.

HolmeZz
05-02-2006, 12:46 PM
I had Cutler as my #2 rated QB, and Croyle at 3. So Cutler.

HolmeZz
05-02-2006, 12:48 PM
This is simply the funniest homer-thread I've ever seen on CP. You are SERIOUSLY debating whether Brodie "two blown ACLs, a blown shoulder, and a skinny frame" Croyle is going to be a better NFL QB than Cutler. I love it.

Oh, please put my vote in for Cutler.

(Chiefs fans are so cute to watch sometimes; ya' lovable losers you.)

If you don't think Croyle is capable of being better than Cutler, you're clueless. The two blown ACLs you bring up are the main reason Croyle went in the 3rd round.

Radar Chief
05-02-2006, 12:59 PM
If you don't think Croyle is capable of being better than Cutler, you're clueless. The two blown ACLs you bring up are the main reason Croyle went in the 3rd round.

Exactly, not only did we get a better QB, we got’im cheaper. nlm

Cormac
05-02-2006, 01:01 PM
The major advantage for Cutler is the lack of injuries. Croyle has been beaten up.

The major advantage for Croyle is the situation he is arriving into. As a 3rd round pick, we can safely expect him to sit for 2 years. I also predict that after 2 more seasons, Trent will be sliding in production. That should also give ample time to Croyle to strengthen up and add 15-20 lb. Croyle will have a lot expected of him by the fan faithful, but Cutler is going to be in a national media pressure cooker from this TC on. I expect he can handle it, he seems tough, but he may well be rushed into action. As a Denver hater I love the fact that there is going to be a QB controversy there for the forseeable future. I can't see that helping either QB perform at his best.

Bottom line, Cutler was drafted #11 for a reason. But Croyle is much higher value, IMO.

cdcox
05-02-2006, 01:02 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/croyle_brodie


http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/cutler_jay


According to the source you provided, the players grade out very similarly, with Cutler getting a slight edge, mostly due to having a beefier frame and the power an durability issues that go with that. If Croyle can put on some muscle thereby increasing his durability, they'd be dead even on potential.


You guys spent a #11 overall for your guy. We got ours for a thrid rounder.

Taco John
05-02-2006, 01:02 PM
If Bono Croyle can stay healthy, there's no telling how many games he can lose with you guys...

big nasty kcnut
05-02-2006, 01:03 PM
I'll take croyle for a 100 alex.

dollar1
05-02-2006, 01:03 PM
Bench presses of 275lb (for a skinny kid) and 400 Freaking lbs and 225 27 times for a quaterback?

Who here can even come close to either one. In my day, I could do 225 maybe 2-3 times max.

Just wow...

~back under rock~

HolmeZz
05-02-2006, 01:06 PM
If Bono Croyle can stay healthy, there's no telling how many games he can lose with you guys...

If you followed either QBs career, you'd realize Cutler was much more used to losing.

King_Chief_Fan
05-02-2006, 01:08 PM
Exactly, not only did we get a better QB, we got’im cheaper. nlm

Which I think is the real question. Who got the better value vs. potential.
Should Cutler bust (and we have seen plenty of 1st do so), Denver loses more than KC. His chances of failure may be better than success since Denver has proven to be wrong with every QB they have picked. (Elway picked them, they didn't pick him).

Chiefs will only be out a 3rd rounder should Croyle fail.

Bowser
05-02-2006, 01:18 PM
Cutler:
Campus: 4.81 in the 40-yard dash...400-pound bench press...Bench pressed 225 pounds 27 times...480-pound squat...295-pound power clean...315-pound hang clean...32-inch vertical jump...31 ½-inch arm length...9 3/8-inch hands...Right-handed...26/36 Wonderlic score.

http://www2.jsonline.com/packer/insider/draft/2006/biosdetail.aspx?fname=Jay&lname=Cutler&pos=QB

So what? Croyle's dad can beat up Cutler's dad.

Chiefnj
05-02-2006, 01:20 PM
The Chiefs will probably be in a tough situation with Croyle. Third round picks generally sign 3 year deals. Trent is expected to play another 2-3 years. Just when Croyle is given an opportunity his contract will likely be up.

KCTitus
05-02-2006, 01:30 PM
I dont really care as to which one is better...they might both suck, but I had to point out the irony in Teej calling out anyone as a homer. Maybe he got a new telescopic lens in that predominately orange homer scuba mask so that he could see the homer contacts.

All kidding aside, he does have a point. Im not sure what the rules are anymore, but as the only Chiefs fan site that only allows Bronco homerism, this thread should probably be locked and any KC homers banned.

Simplex3
05-02-2006, 01:33 PM
If Bono Croyle can stay healthy, there's no telling how many games he can lose with you guys...
Somebody store this POS post for three years from now when the Rat has f**ked up Cutler like he has with every QB since Elway and Herm has coached up Croyle like he did with babyface in NY.

alanm
05-02-2006, 01:33 PM
Won't know for about three years.

IIRC, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, and Heath Schuler were all pretty badass college players.
That's the guy I was trying to think of all weekend to compare Cutler to.. Heath Schuler. That's who he reminds me of. Just couldn't remember his name. I hope the Bronco's continue to throw Plumber under the bus and chant for the Schuler clone. ROFL

vailpass
05-02-2006, 01:34 PM
So what? Croyle's dad can beat up Cutler's dad.

Wrong again. Croyle's dad runs a home for the mentally challenged. Cutler's dad is an Indiana State Patrolman. :p

Simplex3
05-02-2006, 01:35 PM
Wrong again. Croyle's dad runs a home for the mentally challenged. Cutler's dad is an Indiana State Patrolman. :p
Hell, the rat should have drafted Croyle instead since he's already used to dealing with retards.

Simplex3
05-02-2006, 01:36 PM
Wrong again. Croyle's dad runs a home for the mentally challenged. Cutler's dad is an Indiana State Patrolman. :p
Of course it's also a good thing the Raiders didn't draft Cutler. It would be a shame for his dad to have to arrest him at every family dinner.

Pitt Gorilla
05-02-2006, 01:36 PM
I like both guys. I'd give Cutler the advantage on physical attributes, but I'd give Croyle the advantage in terms of winning at a high level. I'm not sure how one could say that one will be definitively better in the NFL than the other. I'd guess that people like vailpass also thought Pennington, Carmazzi, and Redman were going to be better than Brady.

ROYC75
05-02-2006, 01:37 PM
the then baltimore colts (now indy) drafted john elway


The basturd should have played baseball ............. :p

vailpass
05-02-2006, 01:37 PM
Hell, the rat should have drafted Croyle instead since he's already used to dealing with retards.

Not nice dude.


QUOTE=Simplex3]Of course it's also a good thing the Raiders didn't draft Cutler. It would be a shame for his dad to have to arrest him at every family dinner.[/QUOTE]
ROFL

vailpass
05-02-2006, 01:39 PM
I like both guys. I'd give Cutler the advantage on physical attributes, but I'd give Croyle the advantage in terms of winning at a high level. I'm not sure how one could say that one will be definitively better in the NFL than the other. I'd guess that people like vailpass also thought Pennington, Carmazzi, and Redman were going to be better than Brady.

WTF? None of those three chumps had anywhere near the on and off field talents/intangibles Cutler has. Feel free to not put words into my mouth going forward, thanks.

KCTitus
05-02-2006, 01:42 PM
27 Qb's drafted in top 15 since 1989...

1989: Troy Aikman (1)
1990: Jeff George (1), Andre Ware (7)
1992: David Klingler (6)
1993: Bledsoe (1), Rick Mirer (2), Dave Brown (9)
1994: Heath Schuler (3), Trent Dilfer (6)
1995: Steve McNair (3), Kerry Collins (5)
1998: Peyton Manning (1), Ryan Leaf (2)
1999: Tim Couch (1), McNabb (2), Akili Smith (3), Culpepper (11), Cade McNown (12)
2001: Mike Vick (1)
2002: Carr (1)
2003: Carson Palmer (1), Leftwich (7)
2004: Manning (1), Rivers (4), Roethlisberger (11)
2005: Alex Smith (1)

Clearly reviewing this list, the fact that Cutler was drafted 11, like Culpepper and Big Ben, he'll be the same type of QB. Had he gone #2, he might have been doomed.

ROYC75
05-02-2006, 01:42 PM
I like both guys. I'd give Cutler the advantage on physical attributes, but I'd give Croyle the advantage in terms of winning at a high level. I'm not sure how one could say that one will be definitively better in the NFL than the other. I'd guess that people like vailpass also thought Pennington, Carmazzi, and Redman were going to be better than Brady.


No..... they all thought son of a bitch( Griese ) was going to be the next Joe Montana.

stevieray
05-02-2006, 01:43 PM
Wrong again. Croyle's dad runs a home for the mentally challenged. Cutler's dad is an Indiana State Patrolman. :p

Croyles Dad was a lineman who chose not to play in the NFL.

Over 15k kids have gone thorugh his ranch.

vailpass
05-02-2006, 01:45 PM
Croyles Dad was a lineman who chose not to play in the NFL.

Over 15k kids have gone thorugh his ranch.

Yeah but do they remember a damn thing?

I keed, I keed.

I'm just ****ing with Simplex; no need to play the Saint Croyle Sr. card. I was a Brody Croyle fan the whole time he was at 'Bama, I loved his bulldog style and brains.

stevieray
05-02-2006, 01:49 PM
Yeah but do they remember a damn thing?

I keed, I keed.

I'm just ****ing with Simplex; no need to play the Saint Croyle Sr. card. I was a Brody Croyle fan the whole time he was at 'Bama, I loved his bulldog style and brains.

just a FYI, nothing more.

Dartgod
05-02-2006, 01:50 PM
Cutler has proven to be more natural than Croyle at making a second chance at a play happen, due to his athleticism and ability to escape.
And under Jake's tutelage, he will learn to use those second opportunities to throw left handed interceptions deep in his own territory.

KCTitus
05-02-2006, 01:52 PM
21 QB's drafted in the 3rd round since 1989...

1989: Erik Wilhelm, Anthony Dilweg
1990: Tommy HOdson, Peter Tom Willis, Neil O'Donnell
1993: Billy Joe Hobert
1995: Stoney Case, Eric Zeier
1996: Bobby Hoying
1998: Jonathan Quinn, Brian Griese
1999: Brock Huard
2000: Chris Redman, Giovanni Carmazzi
2002: Josh McCown
2003: Dave Ragone, Chris Simms
2004: Matt Schaub
2005: Charlie Frye, Andrew Walter, David Greene

Looking at this list, the only QB that ever amounted to a hill of beans was the one that Denver drafted, so it's clear that Croyle has no prayer playing QB in the NFL.

vailpass
05-02-2006, 01:53 PM
Chiefs Fan:

"Ha ha ha. Broncospaid WAY more for his Schwinn than we did for our sweeeett Huffys. And ours have wheels and pedals and a frame so they must be just as good as yours.
And we paid a LOT less. Both tires have popped but they have patches now. We're so smart. Schwinn and Huffy are the same thing. Uncle Carl said so."

stevieray
05-02-2006, 01:56 PM
Chiefs Fan:

"Ha ha ha. Broncospaid WAY more for his Schwinn than we did for our sweeeett Huffys. And ours have wheels and pedals and a frame so they must be just as good as yours.
And we paid a LOT less. We're so smart. Schwinn and Huffy are the same thing. Uncle Carl said so."

Given both teams track record of drafting QB's, assuming that Cutler is better because he was chosen by Denver is silly.

Time will tell. Let's see Cutler come back from those injuries before we compare toughness.

Dave Lane
05-02-2006, 01:56 PM
They both got QB's with good arms who took a beating in college. Denver's QB never suffered a major injury though. Advantage - Bronco's. Except for the huge QB controversy that will erupt after the first Plummer INT of the year.


So 14:38 in the 1st game and it all erupts!

Dave

FAX
05-02-2006, 01:56 PM
There once was a donk fan who thought
Their draft pick was great but he's not.
Cutler never threw scores
'Cause he played for the 'Dores.
The rat's better off picking snot.

FAX

CosmicPal
05-02-2006, 01:57 PM
21 QB's drafted in the 3rd round since 1989...

1989: Erik Wilhelm, Anthony Dilweg
1990: Tommy HOdson, Peter Tom Willis, Neil O'Donnell
1993: Billy Joe Hobert
1995: Stoney Case, Eric Zeier
1996: Bobby Hoying
1998: Jonathan Quinn, Brian Griese
1999: Brock Huard
2000: Chris Redman, Giovanni Carmazzi
2002: Josh McCown
2003: Dave Ragone, Chris Simms
2004: Matt Schaub
2005: Charlie Frye, Andrew Walter, David Greene

Looking at this list, the only QB that ever amounted to a hill of beans was the one that Denver drafted, so it's clear that Croyle has no prayer playing QB in the NFL.

Wah! Billy Joe Hobert was a freakin' stud, ,man!

:D

Chris Simms seems to be doing all right with Tampa Bay. But, I agree- looking at that list- it doesn't look very good for Croyle. But, does it really matter WHERE they are drafted?

morphius
05-02-2006, 01:58 PM
Its impossible to say, so far Denver has yet to have a QB that didn't need a tight leash and a psychatrist since elway left and KC hasn't devopled a QB anytime recently. Seems to be a bit of a wash.

KCTitus
05-02-2006, 02:00 PM
Wah! Billy Joe Hobert was a freakin' stud, ,man!


I know...and Carl wasted his pick on a OG that year.

HerculesRockefell
05-02-2006, 02:03 PM
And under Jake's tutelage, he will learn to use those second opportunities to throw left handed interceptions deep in his own territory.

Gotta do something to help KC stay in the game at Invesco.

FringeNC
05-02-2006, 02:07 PM
That article is a joke. Vince Young one of the best QB prospects to come along in years? How can a guy with a 6 Wonderlic score be a successful NFL quarterback? It's just not going to happen.

I'll take Cutler over Croyle, but Croyle over Vince Young.

Neither Cutler nor Croyle had much offensive talent around them. Croyle was the highest ranked QB coming out of high school. He should have gone somewhere other than Alabama, and he may have been a first-rounder too.

vailpass
05-02-2006, 02:08 PM
There once was a donk fan who thought
Their draft pick was great but he's not.
Cutler never threw scores
'Cause he played for the 'Dores.
The rat's better off picking snot.

FAX

That shit might cut it in GoChiefs Gay2006HighSchoolPopularityCircleJerkMostPopularCPMemberEVAR111!!!
but it won't win play off games!!!

:p

CupidStunt
05-02-2006, 02:14 PM
Overall, i'd take Jay Cutler by a solid(ish) margin, but Cutler as the 11th pick or Croyle as the 85th pick, and it ain't even close - Croyle.

Pitt Gorilla
05-02-2006, 02:16 PM
WTF? None of those three chumps had anywhere near the on and off field talents/intangibles Cutler has. Feel free to not put words into my mouth going forward, thanks.I must have missed where I directly attributed anything to you. Note the "I'd GUESS that people LIKE" in my post. Comprehension, Grasshopper.

CupidStunt
05-02-2006, 02:17 PM
If Bono Croyle can stay healthy, there's no telling how many games he can lose with you guys...

Maybe he can give Jay Cutler a call and ask him for advice on how to deal with losing.

tk13
05-02-2006, 02:18 PM
I do think Cutler's mentality probably helped sell Shanahan... I don't think he'll be like Plummer and come over whining every time he makes a mistake. I know it's high school, but Cutler did play for one of the best football high schools in the state. His team went 47-4 in his four years at the school and he won a state title. I think Shanahan will use him to his strengths, it's a better pick than Griese because Cutler is a really good athlete and probably fit that offense better.

Croyle was a great pick for us because of the offense we run. There won't be a big of a learning curve as some of the other QB's. Both guys were lucky because they went to teams with good coaching staffs who will use them to their strengths.

FAX
05-02-2006, 02:22 PM
That shit might cut it in GoChiefs Gay2006HighSchoolPopularityCircleJerkMostPopularCPMemberEVAR111!!!
but it won't win play off games!!!

:p

Geezy Whillikans, Mr. vailpass!!!

1. If you were to review my posts, you will find that I like Cutler very much. I think you should be concerned, however, that the Commodores' winning percentage is equivalent to the alcohol content in a Pepsi. And, as you well know, it is far too early to determine which, if either, pick will blossom.

2. My art has nothing to do with the circle jerk contest.

3. I, nor anyone I know, can take any responsibility whatsoever for the fact that your head coach is a bugger eater. That's just something your kind has to live with.

FAX

Inspector
05-02-2006, 02:22 PM
Cutler went to Denver????

I didn't know he was gay.

Cochise
05-02-2006, 02:26 PM
QBs are such a crapshoot that the best QB in this draft might turn out to be Hugh Jass who was drafted from Stinkhole State in the 7th round. There's no use even worrying about it for a few years at least.

Iowanian
05-02-2006, 02:26 PM
Denver did not draft Elway.

If that was for my benefit...I know dungver didn't draft Elway. I know he threw an Eli and got traded.

I also am not indicating that I believe Denver DID draft "another" Elway....merely a tongue in cheek at the "Denver is unpossible to beat at drafting QBs"


I still think is recockulous to say who is better when neither has taken an NFL snap.

Alot of First Round QBs end up worse at NFL football, than I am at golf.


Eggo Fans were pretty impressed with Ryan Leaf's combine numbers, size, arm stregth and college numbers......at one time.

vailpass
05-02-2006, 02:26 PM
I must have missed where I directly attributed anything to you. Note the "I'd GUESS that people LIKE" in my post. Comprehension, Grasshopper.

When you specifically mention somone's name and tie it to a thought that is attributing the thought to the person. Had you used a generic name such as "Bronco Fans" it would have been different.
Conciseness and clarity, grasshopper.

Cochise
05-02-2006, 02:27 PM
That shit might cut it in GoChiefs Gay2006HighSchoolPopularityCircleJerkMostPopularCPMemberEVAR111!!!
but it won't win play off games!!!

:p

d00d it's the l33+test thread...er... series of 30 threads or so... EVAR!!!

vailpass
05-02-2006, 02:30 PM
Geezy Whillikans, Mr. vailpass!!!

1. If you were to review my posts, you will find that I like Cutler very much. I think you should be concerned, however, that the Commodores' winning percentage is equivalent to the alcohol content in a Pepsi. And, as you well know, it is far too early to determine which, if either, pick will blossom.

2. My art has nothing to do with the circle jerk contest.

3. I, nor anyone I know, can take any responsibility whatsoever for the fact that your head coach is a bugger eater. That's just something your kind has to live with.

FAX

I'm sorry FAX, I left it to a weak-ass smilie at the bottom of my post to convey the fact that my entire response to you was tongue-in-cheek and meant as good natured fun. The good Chief fans here have allowed my enemy carcass to visit this place for a while now and I've seen some pretty good posters come and go. I enjoy your stuff as much as any of them.

Pitt Gorilla
05-02-2006, 02:31 PM
When you specifically mention somone's name and tie it to a thought that is attributing the thought to the person. Had you used a generic name such as "Bronco Fans" it would have been different.
Conciseness and clarity, grasshopper.
ROFL

vailpass
05-02-2006, 02:31 PM
d00d it's the l33+test thread...er... series of 30 threads or so... EVAR!!!
ROFL God ain't that the truth. How long before GoatCheese comes back?

vailpass
05-02-2006, 02:32 PM
ROFL
:toast:

HerculesRockefell
05-02-2006, 02:37 PM
Maybe he can give Jay Cutler a call and ask him for advice on how to deal with losing.

Why? He's in KC, he'll get to experience it first hand and learn for himself.

Kerberos
05-02-2006, 02:37 PM
21 QB's drafted in the 3rd round since 1989...

1989: Erik Wilhelm, Anthony Dilweg
1990: Tommy HOdson, Peter Tom Willis, Neil O'Donnell
1993: Billy Joe Hobert
1995: Stoney Case, Eric Zeier
1996: Bobby Hoying
1998: Jonathan Quinn, Brian Griese
1999: Brock Huard
2000: Chris Redman, Giovanni Carmazzi
2002: Josh McCown
2003: Dave Ragone, Chris Simms
2004: Matt Schaub
2005: Charlie Frye, Andrew Walter, David Greene

Looking at this list, the only QB that ever amounted to a hill of beans was the one that Denver drafted, so it's clear that Croyle has no prayer playing QB in the NFL.


Matt Schaub

As far as I am concerned he is one of the best out of this bunch.

He did a pretty good job filling in for Vick when he was out. Allot of teams tried to lure him away from Atlanta to be thier QB.

That says allot for the young man!

.

Cochise
05-02-2006, 02:40 PM
Matt Schaub

As far as I am concerned he is one of the best out of this bunch.


That is a success rate of 1 out of 21.

4.8%.

Schaub has started 2 games in 2 years and won neither of them. He is hardly a proven commodity.

buddha
05-02-2006, 02:47 PM
You know, I don't care who ends up being better. If they got Elway and we got Marino...happy days all around. I think people will look back on this draft and marvel that Croyle lasted as long as he did. I think he is an incredible QB prospect and I bet there are several teams that are upset now that the draft is over that they didn't take him sooner.


The Chiefs are finally in a position to develop both of their young QBs and get an honest to goodness succession plan in place for the day when Green can't go. That could happen at any time, so it's nice to get this started now.

Cutler is a strong kid, but Croyle has the more lively arm.

Kerberos
05-02-2006, 02:51 PM
That is a success rate of 1 out of 21.

4.8%.

Schaub has started 2 games in 2 years and won neither of them. He is hardly a proven commodity.


Don't think I said he was ready for the HOF yet ... or that he was proven commodity.

I DO think IMO that he is one of the better out of this bunch.

The fact that so many teams wanted him tells me they see something in him too. Add the fact that Atlanta didn't want to part ways with him just solidifys my point.

Breaking Records right now?? No

Doing Greater things than the average backup??? Yes

That is all I was trying to point out.


.

Mr. Kotter
05-02-2006, 02:53 PM
So who got the better QB, K.C. or Denver?

We'll know in about five years.....I gotta say, I like Croyle for a third round pick, MUCH more than I like Cutler with the #11 overall.....

ChiefsOne
05-02-2006, 02:55 PM
I don't know who will be the better of the two no more than Taco does. I really hope Cutler sucks ass now that he is a donkey and hope we have the next great QB.

Right now I am just happy we drafted a QB with great potential!

Mr. Kotter
05-02-2006, 02:55 PM
Matt Schaub

As far as I am concerned he is one of the best out of this bunch.

He did a pretty good job filling in for Vick when he was out. Allot of teams tried to lure him away from Atlanta to be thier QB.

That says allot for the young man!

.

You must have over-looked Chris Simms.....:hmmm:

Mile High Mania
05-02-2006, 02:59 PM
Wow ... 7 pages of "our guy" ... "no, our guy".

Bottom line is that nobody knows. One guy has a history of injuries, the other guy has a history of playing on bad teams. Both were drafted with no intention of starting in 2006 and possibly not in 2007. So, we'll likely not have the answer to this wonderful question until 2009 and beyond.

I'll be pushing 40 at that time with many more issues to worry about...

Inspector
05-02-2006, 03:07 PM
Which one will have the best clipboard carrying style?

CHIEF4EVER
05-02-2006, 03:12 PM
One guy has a history of injuries, the other guy has a history of playing on bad teams.

So nothing has really changed for Cutler then.......:p :evil:

Mile High Mania
05-02-2006, 03:20 PM
So nothing has really changed for Cutler then.......:p :evil:

Guess it depends on how you define bad... if being a part of a team with no playoff wins in a decade isn't bad, then I guess you're right. :clap:

ct
05-02-2006, 03:47 PM
Take Denver, KC, pick #11, and pick #85 out of this question, and ask this last Friday:

Who's the better QB, Jay Cutler or Brodie Croyle?

I'd bet on a heavy landslide victory for Jay Cutler.

Mile High Mania
05-02-2006, 03:51 PM
Take Denver, KC, pick #11, and pick #85 out of this question, and ask this last Friday:

Who's the better QB, Jay Cutler or Brodie Croyle?

I'd bet on a heavy landslide victory for Jay Cutler.

Likely true and I would have said I want neither ... focus elsewhere.

Kerberos
05-02-2006, 04:16 PM
You must have over-looked Chris Simms.....:hmmm:


Chris simms doesn't impress me.

He is riding the shirt tail of his pop and he didn't impress me either.

Phil Simms had great players around him.

Chris may have same results if he has all great players around him.

Free agency has killed the teams with loaded rosters.

Now you have to have a GREAT QB to lead a team.

I don't see Chris Simms being one of those people.

BTW ... This is all IMO.

.

htismaqe
05-02-2006, 06:17 PM
If Bono Croyle can stay healthy, there's no telling how many games he can lose with you guys...

I love your pet names.

Too bad they're completely ****ing retarded.

Bono's FIRST name was Steve.

Moooo
05-02-2006, 10:38 PM
I think both of them have, "the vision." I think Croyle was a much better steal though, though I'm quite impartial to the Tide in general. Shows how much I know, I think Omar Jacobs could turn out to be a monster in about 4 years.

As long as there's a chance of "Leaf"age in the NFL, I think threads like this don't solve much.

Moooo

leviw
05-02-2006, 10:52 PM
Darren Sproles was NOT underrated last season. He was awful.

BudLightBronco420
11-05-2008, 01:13 PM
DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner.

Jay Cutler.

King_Chief_Fan
11-05-2008, 01:15 PM
DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner.

Jay Cutler.

yes you did....he has helped the Broncos so much so far. I hear crys from Bronco land about the good ol days with PlummerROFL

vailpass
11-05-2008, 01:17 PM
yes you did....he has helped the Broncos so much so far. I hear crys from Bronco land about the good ol days with PlummerROFL

Yes, Denver sucks ass right now. What happened to the AFC Worst this year?

Still, it IS kind of funny reading all the posts in this thread saying Brokie Croyle is an actual NFL caliber QB.

King_Chief_Fan
11-05-2008, 01:19 PM
Yes, Denver sucks ass right now. What happened to the AFC Worst this year?

Still, it IS kind of funny reading all the posts in this thread saying Brokie Croyle is an actual NFL caliber QB.

I agree. There were numerous dead wrong people about that.
In fact, I think there are still a few who still think he has the tools to be NFL.

beach tribe
11-05-2008, 01:20 PM
Yes, Denver sucks ass right now. What happened to the AFC Worst this year?

Still, it IS kind of funny reading all the posts in this thread saying Brokie Croyle is an actual NFL caliber QB.

Had he not gotten broken, he would've been.

Bowser
11-05-2008, 01:21 PM
DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner.

Jay Cutler.Sweet bump, just to brag on Cutler. Guess you guys win. Congrats?

Yes, Denver sucks ass right now. What happened to the AFC Worst this year?

Still, it IS kind of funny reading all the posts in this thread saying Brokie Croyle is an actual NFL caliber QB.

Croyle has the skills to start in the NFL, but what he doesn't have is the ability to stay healthy.

King_Chief_Fan
11-05-2008, 01:22 PM
Had he not gotten broken, he would've been.

the fact that he is always brokens speaks volumes that he never will be

Mr. Laz
11-05-2008, 01:22 PM
i like the Croyle selection


good value for the 3rd round and IF he could of stayed healthy he might of been a solid NFL starter.

he couldn't .... too bad.

vailpass
11-05-2008, 01:24 PM
Sweet bump, just to brag on Cutler. Guess you guys win. Congrats?



Croyle has the skills to start in the NFL, but what he doesn't have is the ability to stay healthy.

Exactly when did you get a chance to determine that? Was it during one of his losses before/between injuries?
Were you able to determine his ability to make reads and go through his progressions while the little birdies were singing around his head?
:)

beach tribe
11-05-2008, 01:25 PM
the fact that he is always brokens speaks volumes that he never will be

That's why it's "had he not gotten broken". I don't think he'll get another shot, unless someone else goes down.

Tools to be? Yeah.

Durability to? No.

King_Chief_Fan
11-05-2008, 01:26 PM
That's why it's "had he not gotten broken". I don't think he'll get another shot, unless someone else goes down.

Tools to be? Yeah.

Durability to? No.

we never saw the tools. how do we know they existed?
Ryan Leaf "had to the tools" in college, but we know how that worked out.

BigRock
11-05-2008, 01:27 PM
We have a wiener.

Jay Cutler.

You sure do.

vailpass
11-05-2008, 01:28 PM
we never saw the tools. how do we know they existed?
Ryan Leaf "had to the tools" in college, but we know how that worked out.

In some ways it's funny that Thigpen might be the QB Brokie was supposed to be.
Ask Tom Brady if it's ok to take the job when the other guys get hurt.

Bowser
11-05-2008, 01:28 PM
Exactly when did you get a chance to determine that? Was it during one of his losses before/between injuries?
Were you able to determine his ability to make reads and go through his progressions while the little birdies were singing around his head?
:)

Yes. I have a better football eye/mind than you do. Bitch.




:)

King_Chief_Fan
11-05-2008, 01:30 PM
In some ways it's funny that Thigpen might be the QB Brokie was supposed to be.
Ask Tom Brady if it's ok to take the job when the other guys get hurt.

I am very anxious to see how Thigpen does against Denver. You all just might get swept this year.

beach tribe
11-05-2008, 01:30 PM
we never saw the tools. how do we know they existed?
Ryan Leaf "had to the tools" in college, but we know how that worked out.

That's all I'm saying.

Ryan Leaf had a broken brain, Brodie, a broken body.

We'll never get the chance to find out if he could have done jack.

MikeMaslowski
11-05-2008, 01:32 PM
Brodie who? Im a newbie... he played football? Haahahaha.... ugh..... His wife could play better balls... i mean ball....

StcChief
11-05-2008, 01:42 PM
Thigpen time... if he can stay on the field, his upside after a few games looks good.

vailpass
11-05-2008, 01:44 PM
Yes. I have a better football eye/mind than you do. Bitch.




:)

Got ya' Mr. Rockne.
:D

Von Dumbass
11-05-2008, 01:56 PM
Somebody store this POS post for three years from now when the Rat has f**ked up Cutler like he has with every QB since Elway and Herm has coached up Croyle like he did with babyface in NY.

:spock::doh!: