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kc rush
05-03-2006, 12:17 PM
Apparently, the Chiefs aren't a good fit for Hali, or vice-verse.

2. Tamba Hali, DE, Kansas City: For all the glowing reports on Hali's work ethic and production at Penn State, he's still going to a team that has had horrible luck with defensive linemen over the last five years. They can't get anything out of their top picks (Ryan Sims, a 2002 first-rounder, has been a bust, and Junior Siavii, a 2004 first-rounder, is close to sharing that label), and the free agents they've brought in have struggled too. Only one player, 2004 fourth-rounder Jared Allen, has exceeded expectations. There's just not enough talent to give Hali the help he needs to be effective.


LINK (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jeffri_chadiha/05/03/draft.luck/1.html)

58-4ever
05-03-2006, 12:19 PM
Who gives a shit what SI says. That outfit has been out of date for 20 years.

Ebolapox
05-03-2006, 12:19 PM
yeah, cause SI is renowned for their accuracy of predictions...

FAX
05-03-2006, 12:20 PM
So ... we shouldn't draft a good d-lineman to help our d-line because we don't have any good d-linemen?

Got it.

FAX

milkman
05-03-2006, 12:24 PM
yeah, cause SI is renowned for their accuracy of predictions...

Accuracy of predictions?

How about accuracy, period?


Junior Siavii, a 2004 first-rounder

rad
05-03-2006, 12:24 PM
yeah, cause SI is renowned for their accuracy of predictions...

Besides, wasn't Siavii drafted in the 2nd round?

jiveturkey
05-03-2006, 12:24 PM
This does sounds like a dumb reason. It could have been the coaching staff at the time.

The 49'ers have been horrible so they should probably avoid drafting good players. :hmmm:

AirForceChief
05-03-2006, 12:24 PM
Siavii was not a first rounder, "but that's just nit-picking isn't it?"

Ultra Peanut
05-03-2006, 12:32 PM
So ... we shouldn't draft a good d-lineman to help our d-line because we don't have any good d-linemen?Exactamundo!

Mr. Laz
05-03-2006, 12:34 PM
a good pass rusher is a good fit for any team



now whether or not our coaching staff can actually develop a defense is a completely different question.

Rooster
05-03-2006, 12:39 PM
Besides, wasn't Siavii drafted in the 2nd round?

Exactly, SI can suck it..

Cochise
05-03-2006, 12:40 PM
So the basis of their argument is that Hali is not a good fit because we '[have] had horrible luck with defensive linemen'?

WTF are we supposed to do, give up?

So basically, they had us pencilled in here no matter who was selected. :rolleyes:

What a freakin' worthless trashrag.

sedated
05-03-2006, 12:42 PM
We haven't had any luck getting DLinemen,

so clearly we must give up.


Brilliant!
(Brilliant!)

Dunit35
05-03-2006, 12:50 PM
Maybe drafting a horrible Division ten prospect instead of a good D-lineman would change their minds.

InChiefsHell
05-03-2006, 12:55 PM
Makes you wonder if they read their own crap. There is no logic in this statement whatsoever. It gets funnier every time I read it...

...what a bunch of "Hey, we need to say something" dolts...

InChiefsHell
05-03-2006, 12:56 PM
Let's face it, they are all just pissed that we did not go their way and draft a CB...makes me wonder if they would have said the same thing if we had...

Wile_E_Coyote
05-03-2006, 01:10 PM
by not taking a cornerback with #20, KC made alot of the experts' mocks wrong. The nerve

StcChief
05-03-2006, 01:14 PM
Same sh1t same rush to deadline say anything, dont check your work media crap.

Iowanian
05-03-2006, 01:17 PM
Brilliant.
Siavii wasn't a first round Pick.
The Chiefs Dline sucks....so naturally, addressing that area in the first round of the draft with a character player with work ethic is teh stooopid?


Duh duhhhr durrr

Mecca
05-03-2006, 04:29 PM
I think the article is pointing out for what Hali's production would be for this year. And that may be true he may not have a very productive rookie year till the rest of the line is addressed.

Tribal Warfare
05-03-2006, 04:35 PM
Let's face it, they are all just pissed that we did not go their way and draft a CB...makes me wonder if they would have said the same thing if we had...

Dr.Z had KC taking Hali

plbrdude
05-03-2006, 04:36 PM
a good motto to have is "even if it's wrong, we must do something"

Sure-Oz
05-03-2006, 04:41 PM
I honestly don't care what these queers think, just want to see the production on the field. paper don't mean shit!

JimNasium
05-03-2006, 04:59 PM
It only follows that LJ won't be any good because of the Penn State curse.

Bowser
05-03-2006, 05:07 PM
So, because we have had "bad luck" in the past drafting d-linemen, they natuarally come to the conclusion that Hali is a bad fit for us. Does this mean they think he's going to bring us "good" luck?

beer bacon
05-03-2006, 05:10 PM
This does sounds like a dumb reason. It could have been the coaching staff at the time.

The 49'ers have been horrible so they should probably avoid drafting good players. :hmmm:

I wonder if SI would have been saying the same thing if we would have drafted Chad Jackson or Holmes. Durrr the Chiefs have no good WRs so it is very stupid for them to draft a good WR. Excellent logic there SI.

beer bacon
05-03-2006, 05:13 PM
I think the article is pointing out for what Hali's production would be for this year. And that may be true he may not have a very productive rookie year till the rest of the line is addressed.

So is Hali less talented then Jared Allen? Does he not work as hard? Why was Jared Allen successful? Hali is coming into a better situation then Jared did. At least Hali has another bookend DE on the other side that will suck up blockers.

dj56dt58
05-03-2006, 09:11 PM
so in several years we're supposed to just play defense with no defensive line because we never drafted anymore of them because we sucked at it back in the day? makes a lot of sense...

stevieray
05-03-2006, 09:35 PM
Reminds me of DJ becoming a bad pick once we selected him.

OnTheWarpath58
05-03-2006, 09:37 PM
Commatard on the loose......

Christ sakes.

Only the two most respected and accurate "draftniks" had Hali coming to KC: Rick Gosselin and Pat Kirwan.

Even SI's own Dr. Z had Tamba going #20.

Who is this jackass, anyway? Intern?

Halfcan
05-03-2006, 09:40 PM
SI-is not a good fit for people interested in Sports.

Talisman
05-03-2006, 10:33 PM
SI-is not a good fit for people interested in Sports.
ROFL

chiefs2012
05-21-2012, 10:13 PM
2nd vote

cdcox
05-21-2012, 10:18 PM
Luckily we were drafting a LB and not a DL.

KCrockaholic
05-21-2012, 10:21 PM
Bout shat my pants when I saw this and thought it was new.

-King-
05-21-2012, 10:27 PM
Bout shat my pants when I saw this and thought it was new.

Me too ROFLROFL

The Dawg
05-22-2012, 02:47 AM
Bout shat my pants when I saw this and thought it was new.

My first reaction was :spock:

Micjones
05-22-2012, 06:39 AM
Half of ChiefsPlanet didn't think he was a good fit either (at least when he was drafted).
Thank God everybody was wrong.

Canofbier
05-22-2012, 06:47 AM
Bout shat my pants when I saw this and thought it was new.

No kidding, awful bump.

big nasty kcnut
05-22-2012, 07:15 AM
That not what si mom told me when i had sex with her last night.

sedated
05-22-2012, 07:54 AM
Half of ChiefsPlanet didn't think he was a good fit either (at least when he was drafted).
Thank God everybody was wrong.

And most of CP thought the move to OLB was laughable

PGM
05-22-2012, 07:58 AM
And most of CP thought the move to OLB was laughable

Soooooo much fail from that time frame. Most of CP's takes on the move to the 3-4 were just god awful.

DJ's left nut
05-22-2012, 08:57 AM
Apparently, the Chiefs aren't a good fit for Hali, or vice-verse.

2. Dontari Poe, DT, Kansas City: For all the glowing reports on Poe's work ethic ...at Memphis, he's still going to a team that has had horrible luck with defensive linemen over the last five years. They can't get anything out of their top picks (Tyson Jackson, a 2009 first-rounder, has been a bust, and Glenn Dorsey, a 2008 first-rounder, is close to sharing that label), and the free agents they've brought in have struggled too. Only one player, 2011 third-rounder Allan Bailey, has exceeded expectations. There's just not enough talent to give Poe the help he needs to be effective.


LINK (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jeffri_chadiha/05/03/draft.luck/1.html)

So here's hoping history repeats itself...

BCD
05-22-2012, 09:23 AM
And most of CP thought the move to OLB was laughable

Most? I dont recall that.

I do recall Mecca making a big deal of it. Said he could never play the position.

themanwithnoname
05-22-2012, 09:57 AM
So here's hoping history repeats itself...

Can't say I agree with...very much of that. First, I'm not sure about Poe's work ethic, from what I read his combine is due to him busting his ass after his season at Memphis was over. I'd say Dorsey has been a bigger bust than Jackson, but I wouldn't personally call either busts (especially compared to the DL busts the original SI piece cited). They're both stout against the run and for some odd reason have not gotten any credit for the play of DJ, Houston, and Hali (have people forgotten what is asked of our DL, especially on run plays?). I'd just say they haven't lived up to expectations which is a good deal above being a bust. Absolutely, they have not lived up to expectations though.

Allen Bailey has exceeded expectations? What has he done other than get a bit of pressure and what, one sack, in limited play? Don't get me wrong, I'm optimistic about him, but saying he's exceeded expectations is a stretch to me. He's actually right in line with my expectations.

I'd say the free agents they've brought in have been ok, Shaun Smith played well but left on his own. Gillberry has done an ok job. Kelly Gregg was ok.

I definitely disagree with the very last part. I'd say its the total opposite, this team is perfectly setup to protect a young NT (much like the offense is for a QB). They've got two stout DEs, a top tier pass rusher, a top tier ILB, a good secondary, and enough talent otherwise.

jet62
05-22-2012, 11:44 AM
yeah, cause SI is renowned for their accuracy of predictions...

Remember this SI prediction?

<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab94/AthruZ62/t1_hurdle_cover.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Bowser
05-22-2012, 11:53 AM
Remember this SI prediction?

<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab94/AthruZ62/t1_hurdle_cover.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

I'll see your Clint Hurdle, and raise you a

http://www.jimsavidge.com/graphics/covlarge.gif

ChiTown
05-22-2012, 11:54 AM
Remember this SI prediction?

<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab94/AthruZ62/t1_hurdle_cover.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

How effective could you be if you had a hand-like object growing out of your butt?

Epic Fail 007
05-22-2012, 12:07 PM
WTF SI!!

saphojunkie
05-22-2012, 12:10 PM
This is unbelievable in retrospect. Tamba Hali, since being drafted to the "wrong" team, has more sacks than Mario Williams.

I also love how Vernon Davis and Santonio "Super Bowl MVP" Holmes were also in the wrong places. :rolleyes:

BCD
05-22-2012, 12:15 PM
WTF SI!!

Its an old thread, dumbass.

InChiefsHell
05-22-2012, 12:39 PM
I'll see your Clint Hurdle, and raise you a

http://www.jimsavidge.com/graphics/covlarge.gif

I remember that cover, it was a foldout. I also remember JIMP over the idea of it...cuz it really seemed possible. Shit.

PGM
05-22-2012, 01:30 PM
This is unbelievable in retrospect. Tamba Hali, since being drafted to the "wrong" team, has more sacks than Mario Williams.

I also love how Vernon Davis and Santonio "Super Bowl MVP" Holmes were also in the wrong places. :rolleyes:

Unpossible!!! We were told that Tamba was maxed out and would never improve more than being an 8 sack guy.

InChiefsHell
05-22-2012, 01:41 PM
Unpossible!!! We were told that Tamba was maxed out and would never improve more than being an 8 sack guy.

Imbelievable. He's been a bust since he hasn't gone to the pro bowl every year!

Ultra Peanut
05-22-2012, 03:03 PM
Half of ChiefsPlanet didn't think he was a good fit either (at least when he was drafted).
Thank God everybody was wrong.
Everyone thought he was a good pick when he was drafted, then they hated him for a few years.