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Rain Man
05-03-2006, 06:14 PM
We all know the trends. People have higher and higher expectations over time for material goods, which leads to more households where both husbands and wives work. We have bigger houses now, and big screen TVs and motor homes and robotic dogs and toothbrushes with built-in DVD players and stuff, but at the same time, we're working more, we're stressed and harried, our children are latchkey kids, and our savings rates for retirement are negligible.

I have a new model, and I think it would work.

Old model: Man marries woman, they have kids, and all of the above occurs.

New model: Two couples "marry" or perhaps three or four individuals "marry". All household finances and duties are pooled. All children are legally the custody of all adults.

The advantages of this system are many:

1. You get the advantages of more incomes, but can also get a stay-at-home parent if that works for everybody. You get June Cleaver and someone to be there for the kids, but you also get Rosie the Riveter and Ward Cleaver.

2. With artificial insemination, we may be at the point technologically where a child can be conceived who has a mixed soup of DNA from all of the adults in the household. Therefore, the child(ren) will belong to all of the adults equally (and will probably be genetically more robust to boot). You can truly create a family, as opposed to a commune.

3. Much more disposable income. Imagine a three-income household or a five-income household. There are lots of efficiencies in costs, too: You can buy a larger home more cost-effectively than two smaller homes, you would probably need fewer cars per capita, etc.

4. You have more support capacity for situations such as illness or incapacitation.

Now, I know that you're all immediately moving toward the sex thing. That would depend on the structure. You could conceivably have a model where you've got two couples with no physical interaction, though a stronger model might have a group of males and females with no natural coupling who can all interact at will (except the males, of course).

There's no physiological reason why a familial relationship couldn't develop between multiple people. And of course, it doesn't have to be an even number of people in boy/girl fashion, either. It could be a household that consists of one man and two women, or three men and two women, or even five women. Who cares? Move past the sex part and think about the family/household part.

And no, it's not polygamy. Polygamy means that one person marries many people. This is many people marrying each other on equal terms, without a cult of personality at the center of it.

The summary: if you had a household that consisted of multiple people, and their children were a genetic stew of all of those people, you would end up with a lot of affluent, healthy, stable, strong households. Defining a family as two adults is arbitrary and timeworn; defining a family as a consortium of adults who form a clan for mutual benefit is a superior approach, in which the old system still fits as a subset for those who prefer it.

Mark my words. It's the wave of the future.

stumppy
05-03-2006, 06:23 PM
Just tell your wife you want to make it with her and another chick and get it over with. If you don't it's going to keep eating at you.

Sully
05-03-2006, 06:23 PM
I gotta get a toothbrush with a DVD player.

...Time to have the fiance get another job...

Baby Lee
05-03-2006, 06:23 PM
Big Love.

Rain Man
05-03-2006, 06:25 PM
Polygamy is on the right track, but it's too narrow. Communes are on the right track, but they're too loosely organized.

The more I think about it, the more I like it. Everybody gets their cake, and everybody gets to eat it, too.

Rain Man
05-03-2006, 06:27 PM
I think I might write a magazine article about this. I wonder if it would fly with Better Homes & Gardens, or if I should go with something more progressive.

Skip Towne
05-03-2006, 06:33 PM
You sound like Charlie Manson. You should be neg repped.

Rain Man
05-03-2006, 06:35 PM
Manson was on the right track, except for the dementia and the stabbings and the murders. If Squeaky Fromme was running the household and Charlie and the others were working, I think they could have pulled off a pretty nice lifestyle system.

Phobia
05-03-2006, 06:51 PM
I think it would work great if you could find another dude who had precisely the same size penis as you. This might open a market for penis calipers. Off to my laboratory I go.

mike_b_284
05-03-2006, 06:58 PM
I think it would work great if you could find another dude who had precisely the same size penis as you. This might open a market for penis calipers. Off to my laboratory I go.
ROFL

Bob Dole
05-03-2006, 07:31 PM
Bob Dole's ex father-in-law had a similar theory back in the early 1980's and as far as Bob Dole knows, is continuing to implement it.

Among other things, he subscribed to the theory that wealth lasts 3 generations. The first builds the wealth, the second maintains it, and the third--being so removed from what it took to build it--blow it. He pointed to strong matriarch figures in the old money families and decided that he'd replace that with a legal structure.

He and his wife both worked and they strictly lived on the lower of the two incomes, saving and conservatively investing every cent of the higher income for 30+ years. He formed a corporate entity and appointed the three children and their spouses to the board of directors. He bought land and under the guise of the corporation, was building a compound (for lack of a better word) near Columbia.

The annual board meeting was the family reunion (tax write-off for the kids to attend) and was held at the compound, where he planned what amounted to paramilitary training, because he's convinced that things will deteriorate politically and economically to the point that people will have to protect their assets with lethal force. As of Bob Dole's divorce in 1995, he had an arsenal that would put the Branch Davidians to shame, and Bob Dole knows of a large cache of gold.

Until the ultimate meltdown, the corporation offers scholarships, but the requirements are such that only family members are eligible. The students would attend MU and to save expenses, would live at the compound and help maintain it in exchange for a stipend (instead of getting a regular job).

There's a lot more to it, but that's the framework. 20 years ago, he was predicting that in Bob Dole's lifetime we'd see things deteriorate to the point that we'd need to return to multi-family sort of living arrangements.

Phobia
05-03-2006, 07:35 PM
Bob Dole's ex father-in-law had a similar theory back in the early 1980's and as far as Bob Dole knows, is continuing to implement it.

Among other things, he subscribed to the theory that wealth lasts 3 generations. The first builds the wealth, the second maintains it, and the third--being so removed from what it took to build it--blow it. He pointed to strong matriarch figures in the old money families and decided that he'd replace that with a legal structure.

He and his wife both worked and they strictly lived on the lower of the two incomes, saving and conservatively investing every cent of the higher income for 30+ years. He formed a corporate entity and appointed the three children and their spouses to the board of directors. He bought land and under the guise of the corporation, was building a compound (for lack of a better word) near Columbia.

The annual board meeting was the family reunion (tax write-off for the kids to attend) and was held at the compound, where he planned what amounted to paramilitary training, because he's convinced that things will deteriorate politically and economically to the point that people will have to protect their assets with lethal force. As of Bob Dole's divorce in 1995, he had an arsenal that would put the Branch Davidians to shame, and Bob Dole knows of a large cache of gold.

Until the ultimate meltdown, the corporation offers scholarships, but the requirements are such that only family members are eligible. The students would attend MU and to save expenses, would live at the compound and help maintain it in exchange for a stipend (instead of getting a regular job).

There's a lot more to it, but that's the framework. 20 years ago, he was predicting that in Bob Dole's lifetime we'd see things deteriorate to the point that we'd need to return to multi-family sort of living arrangements.

That's AWESOME. I want in.

Bob Dole
05-03-2006, 07:55 PM
That's AWESOME. I want in.

It was sort of freaky, because it's taken to the extreme. Some of the basic tenets are fairly sound, however, and seem even moreso as time passes. He's managed to build some wealth and barring some really unlikely circumstances, has it structured so that no single descendant can blow it.

Bob Dole forgot to mention that the "master plan" also included their retirement. After they retired, Mom and Dad were to be hired by the corporation as caretakers of the compound and receive an annual salary, free room and board, etc.

Part of Bob Dole's problem with the whole thing was being basically forced to use 2 weeks of paid leave every year to attend the board meeting/boot camp.

Skip Towne
05-03-2006, 07:58 PM
It was sort of freaky, because it's taken to the extreme. Some of the basic tenets are fairly sound, however, and seem even moreso as time passes. He's managed to build some wealth and barring some really unlikely circumstances, has it structured so that no single descendant can blow it.

Bob Dole forgot to mention that the "master plan" also included their retirement. After they retired, Mom and Dad were to be hired by the corporation as caretakers of the compound and receive an annual salary, free room and board, etc.

Part of Bob Dole's problem with the whole thing was being basically forced to use 2 weeks of paid leave every year to attend the board meeting/boot camp.
How long did you put up with that shit?

pikesome
05-03-2006, 08:17 PM
I'm not sure how many have read "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" but Heinlein briefly describes some non-standard families in it. Like serial marriages where there are many different husbands and wives that marry in as the older ones die.

beavis
05-03-2006, 08:25 PM
Big Love.
I hate that damn show.

stevieray
05-03-2006, 08:49 PM
Sounds great, till doo doo hits the fan(financially), and you have to support multiple families instead of one.

This almost sounds like marriage will be eliminated.

cdcox
05-03-2006, 09:15 PM
Interesting idea.

There are some people I know with whom I'd do the comune thing, but being under the same roof is a whole different story. I don't know of any other couples that I'd be comfortable living with on a long term basis.

Babies are made from one chromosome from the father and one chromosome from the mother. I don't think there are any technologies that allow mixing genetic material from more than two individuals.

Boozer
05-03-2006, 09:31 PM
Interesting idea.

There are some people I know with whom I'd do the comune thing, but being under the same roof is a whole different story. I don't know of any other couples that I'd be comfortable living with on a long term basis.

Babies are made from one chromosome from the father and one chromosome from the mother. I don't think there are any technologies that allow mixing genetic material from more than two individuals.

Aren't there something like 26 (hopefully) chromosome pairs in a human embryo? Theoretically, couldn't you go 13 from one father, 13 from another father, 13 from one mother, 13 from another?

EDIT* Looks like there are 46 chromosomes in a person, so 23 pairs. I'm guessing any embryo with 52 chromosomes wouldn't last long. Either that or we'd have MegaCorky.

chubychecker
05-03-2006, 09:37 PM
This thread reminds me of that old three wishes bud light commercial.
1. A beautiful woman
2. An endless supply of bud light
3. Another beautiful woman.

That didn't work out well for him. Also; when women live together their cycles coordinate. Living with one woman, I already work late one week a month. I'd have to move the F*** out under these conditions.

And imagine the taxes you'd pay with more than 2 incomes in a household.

BucEyedPea
05-03-2006, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by RainMan
We all know the trends. People have higher and higher expectations over time for material goods, which leads to more households where both husbands and wives work. We have bigger houses now, and big screen TVs and motor homes and robotic dogs and toothbrushes with built-in DVD players and stuff, but at the same time, we're working more, we're stressed and harried, our children are latchkey kids, and our savings rates for retirement are negligible.

I have a new model, and I think it would work......

Mark my words. It's the wave of the future.
It was called the extended family.
And it built America.

pikesome
05-03-2006, 09:48 PM
And most other countries too.

BucEyedPea
05-03-2006, 09:49 PM
True dat!

chubychecker
05-03-2006, 10:01 PM
I think more households will change to become multiple-adult homes; however, I think they will remain within the same family. In fact this is already happening. With the increasing cost of elder care it makes since to move one's parent(s) back in the home. I already see this among many of my clients. It is cheaper in some cases to even build an addition on to the house than to hire a full-time caregiver or worse yet pay a nursing home. This has been the case in lower income areas for years, it is starting to spread to the middle class.

Talisman
05-03-2006, 11:45 PM
Where does a robot vacuum fit into the picture?

chappy
05-03-2006, 11:46 PM
sounds great kinda like communism i am in

stevieray
05-03-2006, 11:47 PM
Where does a robot vacuum fit into the picture?

Kevin started a thread when he got his zoomba? vacumn.

Talisman
05-04-2006, 01:17 AM
Kevin started a thread when he got his zoomba? vacumn.
It's a Roomba. And my comment was actually a throwback to that. I should have added a smilie. Alas.

stevieray
05-04-2006, 01:19 AM
It's a Roomba. And my comment was actually a throwback to that. I should have added a smilie. Alas.

slacker.

:harumph:

KC Jones
05-04-2006, 07:09 AM
This has been the case in lower income areas for years, it is starting to spread to the middle class.

...or the middle class is starting to slide into the lower class.

Rain Man
05-04-2006, 08:32 AM
Where does a robot vacuum fit into the picture?

The Roomba is actually in retirement at the moment, living underneath a table in our living room. We have some cleaning ladies who don't speak English.

I need to break the Roomba out just for old times' sake, though. What a fun machine.

Rain Man
05-04-2006, 08:36 AM
Aren't there something like 26 (hopefully) chromosome pairs in a human embryo? Theoretically, couldn't you go 13 from one father, 13 from another father, 13 from one mother, 13 from another?

EDIT* Looks like there are 46 chromosomes in a person, so 23 pairs. I'm guessing any embryo with 52 chromosomes wouldn't last long. Either that or we'd have MegaCorky.


Yeah, I figure there's some way to make this work. We need to get some of our lab boys on it.

I think it'd be cool to have a kid with four parents. It'd be much less strain on the parents and they'd get to go out more (in groups of two or three), and the kid would be much more likely to have someone to play ball with, or go to the zoo with. It's a win-win situation.

joesomebody
05-04-2006, 09:27 AM
This is sort of the roomate thing for poor young people...

I have two roomates, and together we are living in a 150 thousand dollar house, with a very nice fenced in back yard, nice propane barbaque grill, we have a good sized tv in the den, surround sound, 5 disc dvd player, Play Station 2, Xbox, pool table, tv's in each bedroom, complete digital cable package, wireless cable internet through the house, new appliances, etc.

It works out well, as long as you can get along. Without having roomates I could probably barely afford a 1 bedroom studio apartment and would be eating nothing but top ramen.

I make about 30 grand a year, the other two make around 22 thousand a year each. Pool our money and we make 74 grand a year.

This only works I think because it's a split level house, I rent the whole basement which is like a studio apartment without a kitchen... so it provides enough personal space for everyone. Otherwise we'd have killed one another within a month.