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htismaqe
05-04-2006, 03:44 PM
Gun did back-to-back interviews on 610 and 810 today, great stuff, I think I might actually become a fan.

I think he's been reading Chiefsplanet for some time. More specifically, the ****er is stealing my research! :D

First he said that "all great defenses have great safeties" and talked alot about Dawkins and Lynch. Then he went on to say that he and his staff spent alot of time since the end of the season formulating an argument about how to build a defense. He said a great defense is built with first day draft picks (an argument that I made 2 or 3 years ago by going through several rosters and showing how many 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounders New England, Baltimore, Tampa, and others had for starters). His research led to some interesting points

All of the top defenses in the league had at least 8 1st-day picks starting on defense (except Pittsburgh, they were the anomaly). We had 4 when he got here. The juicy tidbit is that we had 7 last year and he sees 9 this year (I'm guessing that means Hali and Pollard are being counted on to start right away). He also said that in the NFC there were only 4 starting CB's who were not 1st-day draft picks.

el borracho
05-04-2006, 03:56 PM
Gun ... said that in the NFC there were only 4 starting CB's who were not 1st-day draft picks.
Battle was a first day pick. Which other CBs do we have who were first day picks? Or does this mean we are getting Law?

sedated
05-04-2006, 03:58 PM
Don't hurt your wrist jerking yourself off

StcChief
05-04-2006, 04:00 PM
Battle was a first day pick. Which other CBs do we have who were first day picks? Or does this mean we are getting Law?
Let's hope for the Law Dog...
his numbers are a bit better than Battle's....

htismaqe
05-04-2006, 04:00 PM
Surtain was a 2nd-rounder.

I think Walls was undrafted, but I can't remember for sure.

He wasn't going to comment about Law, and I wouldn't read too much into it that way.

htismaqe
05-04-2006, 04:00 PM
Don't hurt your wrist jerking yourself off

Must be rough being so bitter all the time...

Fish
05-04-2006, 04:11 PM
So it WAS McCleon's fault!! I knew it!

philfree
05-04-2006, 04:11 PM
Why didn't record them interviews and do a write up for us? Slacker!


PhilFree:arrow:

htismaqe
05-04-2006, 04:19 PM
Why didn't record them interviews and do a write up for us? Slacker!


PhilFree:arrow:

I was in my damn car, driving to Sucks Falls, South Dakota...

Bootlegged
05-04-2006, 04:21 PM
Gun has too much free time. He should be conducting bag drills, not thinking.

ChiefsKing
05-04-2006, 04:22 PM
Some more points:


-Gun personally broke down and looked at 94 players.

-He said he got the 2 guys in the first 2 rounds that he personally wanted.

-Said that Pollard is going to be a great safety. Besides being a huge hitter he has great hips, good open field movement, and great open field tackler. He wants a safety that "if you get one big hit a game they will know you are back there."

-As far as DE goes. He was a HUGE Hali supporter. Says he reminds him of Leslie O'Neal in many ways. Said when he asked Hali during the personal interview why his weight fluctuated between 260-275 during the season his response was "If I was playing a grind it out running team with a big RB I would play at 270-275. If it were a mobile QB I would get down to 258-260." Said nobody had answered that question that way since O'Neal. Said Hali has great balance and great power.

-Also said that they had info that 2 teams right after them in the 1st rd were after Hali. Made it sound like LJ Sr. had inside info on who was interested in him.

-He also talked about Manny Lawson. Said Lawson is all straight-line. Asked Lawson what his favorite move was and he said the "push-pull", which is bull rush. Gun said it worried him when a guy that small wants to rely on a bull rush. He said he was afraid Roaf would "road grade" Lawson every day at practice.

-Gun fought for Bell to stay again this year(must have been thoughts to cut him?) Said Bell can still play at a high level. Was cautious with Bell last year coming off injury and learning a new system. Is going to let him loose this year and take him to the next level.

-Cover 2 needs tackling LB's who can run to the ball(which he thinks we have in Kawika, DJ, and Bell), and a pass rush(which he thinks we have now in Allen and Hali)

-CB. Said Jimmy Williams and Cromartie are Cover 2 CB's. Jonathan Joseph(who he was asked about) isn't the prototypical Cover 2 CB.

-Leaves Ty Law up to Herm and Carl. Knows they are talking to him.

Gun is always the optimist and positive. So he says he is really "excited" for the season.

el borracho
05-04-2006, 04:31 PM
Any info about plans at DT? Who starts next to Sims? Who plays CB if we don't get Law?

htismaqe
05-04-2006, 04:33 PM
So it WAS McCleon's fault!! I knew it!

Actually, Dexter was a 2nd-rounder.

He was talking about Hicks and those guys.

In fact, he said San Diego has TEN starters on defense that were drafted 1st-day. The only starter they had last year that wasn't was Donnie Edwards...

htismaqe
05-04-2006, 04:34 PM
Some more points:


-Gun personally broke down and looked at 94 players.

-He said he got the 2 guys in the first 2 rounds that he personally wanted.

-Said that Pollard is going to be a great safety. Besides being a huge hitter he has great hips, good open field movement, and great open field tackler. He wants a safety that "if you get one big hit a game they will know you are back there."

-As far as DE goes. He was a HUGE Hali supporter. Says he reminds him of Leslie O'Neal in many ways. Said when he asked Hali during the personal interview why his weight fluctuated between 260-275 during the season his response was "If I was playing a grind it out running team with a big RB I would play at 270-275. If it were a mobile QB I would get down to 258-260." Said nobody had answered that question that way since O'Neal. Said Hali has great balance and great power.

-Also said that they had info that 2 teams right after them in the 1st rd were after Hali. Made it sound like LJ Sr. had inside info on who was interested in him.

-He also talked about Manny Lawson. Said Lawson is all straight-line. Asked Lawson what his favorite move was and he said the "push-pull", which is bull rush. Gun said it worried him when a guy that small wants to rely on a bull rush. He said he was afraid Roaf would "road grade" Lawson every day at practice.

-Gun fought for Bell to stay again this year(must have been thoughts to cut him?) Said Bell can still play at a high level. Was cautious with Bell last year coming off injury and learning a new system. Is going to let him loose this year and take him to the next level.

-Cover 2 needs tackling LB's who can run to the ball(which he thinks we have in Kawika, DJ, and Bell), and a pass rush(which he thinks we have now in Allen and Hali)

-CB. Said Jimmy Williams and Cromartie are Cover 2 CB's. Jonathan Joseph(who he was asked about) isn't the prototypical Cover 2 CB.

-Leaves Ty Law up to Herm and Carl. Knows they are talking to him.

Gun is always the optimist and positive. So he says he is really "excited" for the season.

Thanks for that! I was on the road for 5+ hours and forgot alot of what he said...

SNR
05-04-2006, 04:36 PM
We're too busy arguing who's the biggest **** on the board. Save your football interviews for training camp

Kclee
05-04-2006, 04:42 PM
I was in my damn car, driving to Sucks Falls, South Dakota...

What were you doing here? (if I may ask)


Plus, if Pollard is going to start, who gets benched I wonder?

Halfcan
05-04-2006, 04:43 PM
I say, let Gun do his freakin job. It seems like DV would never listen to him. We deffinately seem to have more of an attitude on Defense. I think Gun is tired of being laughed at.

ct
05-04-2006, 04:59 PM
Some more points:


-As far as DE goes. He was a HUGE Hali supporter. Says he reminds him of Leslie O'Neal in many ways. Said when he asked Hali during the personal interview why his weight fluctuated between 260-275 during the season his response was "If I was playing a grind it out running team with a big RB I would play at 270-275. If it were a mobile QB I would get down to 258-260." Said nobody had answered that question that way since O'Neal. Said Hali has great balance and great power.

-Also said that they had info that 2 teams right after them in the 1st rd were after Hali. Made it sound like LJ Sr. had inside info on who was interested in him.

-He also talked about Manny Lawson. Said Lawson is all straight-line. Asked Lawson what his favorite move was and he said the "push-pull", which is bull rush. Gun said it worried him when a guy that small wants to rely on a bull rush. He said he was afraid Roaf would "road grade" Lawson every day at practice.

-Gun fought for Bell to stay again this year(must have been thoughts to cut him?) Said Bell can still play at a high level. Was cautious with Bell last year coming off injury and learning a new system. Is going to let him loose this year and take him to the next level.

...

These points make me feel really good about our draft. Now I'll believe it when I see it w/ Pollard, still skeptical there. But to get Hali, suppose I have to include Pollard, then Croyle, Webb and Maxie, I'm pretty stoked!

Sure hope he's right about Bell... :shrug:

htismaqe
05-04-2006, 05:00 PM
We're too busy arguing who's the biggest **** on the board. Save your football interviews for training camp

ROFL

htismaqe
05-04-2006, 05:00 PM
What were you doing here? (if I may ask)


Plus, if Pollard is going to start, who gets benched I wonder?

Working. I'm currently in the basement of KELO TV.

htismaqe
05-04-2006, 05:02 PM
These points make me feel really good about our draft. Now I'll believe it when I see it w/ Pollard, still skeptical there. But to get Hali, suppose I have to include Pollard, then Croyle, Webb and Maxie, I'm pretty stoked!

Sure hope he's right about Bell... :shrug:

Gunther sure seemed excited about Pollard. In fact, he almost seemed more stoked about Pollard than Hali.

Frankie
05-04-2006, 05:20 PM
Don't hurt your wrist jerking yourself off
Was this post necessary? :shake:

You may not be, but I for one am interested in things our DC has to say.

Frankie
05-04-2006, 05:23 PM
What were you doing here? (if I may ask)


Plus, if Pollard is going to start, who gets benched I wonder?
If he is starter material he may still not start in the begining. Nobody needs to be benched for now unless they stink in the preseason.

BigChiefFan
05-04-2006, 05:25 PM
I'm excited about Pollard, too. He is what our defense has been sorely lacking-a player who loves to hit. He also will send a message to those who want to catch the ball by knocking them on their asses. Just like Tom Jackson kept repeating when some questioned the Bernie Pollard pick..."yea but he can hit, he can hit."

Otter
05-04-2006, 05:27 PM
-Gun fought for Bell to stay again this year(must have been thoughts to cut him?) Said Bell can still play at a high level. Was cautious with Bell last year coming off injury and learning a new system. Is going to let him loose this year and take him to the next level.

As much as I'd like to see Bell stay, if Gun has any other intentions of what he said there might as well cut Bell and find someone who can fit the job instead of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

FAX
05-04-2006, 05:32 PM
As much as I'd like to see Bell stay, if Gun has any other intentions of what he said there might as well cut Bell and find someone who can fit the job instead of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

I may be alone in this, Mr. Otter, but I haven't given up on Bell as yet. I don't think he was used correctly last year (as many have said), but I also believe his shoulder was giving him more problems than many knew.

Additionally, I don't believe he whines, neg reps, or has contracted herpes, and he probably has a high sperm count, too.

FAX

sedated
05-04-2006, 05:40 PM
Was this post necessary? :shake:

You may not be, but I for one am interested in things our DC has to say.


that post had nothing to do with what Gun said, or Gun at all.

Kclee
05-04-2006, 05:44 PM
Working. I'm currently in the basement of KELO TV.

If I would have known sooner, we could have went over to Kotter's high school to see if we couldn't get him in trouble. The phone calls weren't enough last time.

And I'm with you Fax, I'm behind Bell for this season. I hope he doesn't disappoint again.

Otter
05-04-2006, 05:46 PM
I may be alone in this, Mr. Otter, but I haven't given up on Bell as yet. I don't think he was used correctly last year (as many have said), but I also believe his shoulder was giving him more problems than many knew.

Additionally, I don't believe he whines, neg reps, or has contracted herpes, and he probably has a high sperm count, too.

FAX

You're not alone Mr. Fax, I've been one of Mr. Bells biggest supporters.

I actually drove the Bell Bandwagon throughout the entire season despite the growing number of objects being flailed at me twoards the last quarter.

Iowanian and Big Daddy were quiet a handfull, such bulllies.

I'm firmly for giving Bell another chance. But after seeing how he was played in Pittsburg and then in KC then comparing the results just saying "shit or get off the pot".

I'll reserve you a seat for 9/10.

htismaqe
05-04-2006, 05:57 PM
that post had nothing to do with what Gun said, or Gun at all.

No, had everything to do with you being a jackass...

Note the smilies in the original thread starter.

htismaqe
05-04-2006, 05:58 PM
You're not alone Mr. Fax, I've been one of Mr. Bells biggest supporters.

I actually drove the Bell Bandwagon throughout the entire season despite the growing number of objects being flailed at me twoards the last quarter.

Iowanian and Big Daddy were quiet a handfull, such bulllies.

I'm firmly for giving Bell another chance. But after seeing how he was played in Pittsburg and then in KC then comparing the results just saying "shit or get off the pot".

I'll reserve you a seat for 9/10.

I support keeping Bell for one reason:

He's a former 1st-round draft pick, and a former DRoY at that.

They don't just grow on trees.

Hydrae
05-04-2006, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Gun ... said that in the NFC there were only 4 starting CB's who were not 1st-day draft picks.
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Battle was a first day pick. Which other CBs do we have who were first day picks? Or does this mean we are getting Law?

Um, try reading that again. In the NFC there were only 4....

Not in the NFL. Thus having nothing to do with our roster this year or last.

Frosty
05-04-2006, 06:59 PM
The juicy tidbit is that we had 7 last year and he sees 9 this year (I'm guessing that means Hali and Pollard are being counted on to start right away).

I wonder if he means Battle starting at corner. I have a hard time seeing Pollard unseating Knight this season.

el borracho
05-04-2006, 07:10 PM
Um, try reading that again. In the NFC there were only 4....

Not in the NFL. Thus having nothing to do with our roster this year or last.
Hmm, I believe I read it correctly.

It seems Gunther would like to have more first day picks as his starters, no? If Gun follows his own advice he would select a first day pick as the CB opposite surtain. Of the CBs currently on the roster I believe only Battle is a first day pick. This also follows last year's preseason when Gun challenged Battle to "take his (Warfield's) job". Of course this is pure speculation but, ¿what else is there to do in the offseason?

It gets really interesting because there are four CBs (Battle, Hodge, Sapp, Maxey) who might start or might not even be on the roster. Anyway, of the corners we currently have on the roster who do you think will start?

Hydrae
05-04-2006, 07:15 PM
Who do I think will start? Surtain (duh) and Battle would be my early picks. I like Sapp a lot but I think he is too small to be a regular starter.

Mr. Laz
05-04-2006, 07:37 PM
First he said that "all great defenses have great safeties"


and if they had just drafted 3 defensive ends he would of said all great defenses start upfront.

he's a freakin' parrot who repeats whatever they tell him to repeat


i think that's part of the reason why Carl likes him so much ... easily controlled.

el borracho
05-04-2006, 07:54 PM
Yeah, of our current CBs I would guess that Battle is Gun's first choice to start. But Battle may or may not be healthy.

* Battle has size and (did have) speed and has some limited NFL experience. Battle was also Gun's choice to start last year and then hurt himself. Is he healthy enough to play and/ or start this year?
* Sapp has NFL experience but is not prototypical CB size and I think Gun puts a premium on size and speed. Will Sapp's experience override his physical shortcomings and keep him on the roster?
* Hodge has size but was a day 2 pick, has only practice squad experience and was selected before Herm got here. Will Hodge's practice squad experience earn him a roster spot over Maxey?
* Maxey has size and speed but was a day 2 pick. Obviously, Maxey has no NFL experience and only limited college experience but he was chosen in the Herm Edwards era. Will we try to sneak him onto the practice squad this year to gain experience or will Gun be enamored by his physical attributes?

FAX
05-04-2006, 07:56 PM
and if they had just drafted 3 defensive ends he would of said all great defenses start upfront.

he's a freakin' parrot who repeats whatever they tell him to repeat


i think that's part of the reason why Carl likes him so much ... easily controlled.

I have the deepest respect for your gridiron acumen, Mr. Laz. You are spectacularly well versed in the art. However, I don't know if Gun is easily controlled or not. In fact, he may lack the control lobe entirely.

In the past, I have observed behavior in Gun that would shame a drunken Planeteer.

FAX

el borracho
05-04-2006, 08:01 PM
Hah! I keep forgetting we have Walls. I wonder where he fits in to this mess?

stevieray
05-04-2006, 08:10 PM
and if they had just drafted 3 defensive ends he would of said all great defenses start upfront.

he's a freakin' parrot who repeats whatever they tell him to repeat


i think that's part of the reason why Carl likes him so much ... easily controlled.

Like you wouldn't have picked being the devils advocate no matter what he had said?

Doesn't that sound easily controlled too?

cdcox
05-04-2006, 08:25 PM
I support keeping Bell for one reason:

He's a former 1st-round draft pick, and a former DRoY at that.

They don't just grow on trees.

The thing that worries me more than any thing else about Bell's play last year was his lack of speed. I don't know if he made DRoY despite his lack of speed or if he lost some speed. But when we got him, we heard how fast he was, but in the open field he looked like he was running in concrete. I don't expect much from Bell. Hope I'm wrong.

htismaqe
05-04-2006, 08:53 PM
The thing that worries me more than any thing else about Bell's play last year was his lack of speed. I don't know if he made DRoY despite his lack of speed or if he lost some speed. But when we got him, we heard how fast he was, but in the open field he looked like he was running in concrete. I don't expect much from Bell. Hope I'm wrong.

Gunther said on both radio stations that Bell is the fastest 6 yards in football or something to that effect.

What he was trying to get acrossed is that the guy is EXPLOSIVE, not fast. In other words, he should be rushing the passer, not covering tight ends...

splatbass
05-04-2006, 08:54 PM
In the past, I have observed behavior in Gun that would shame a drunken Planeteer.

FAX


Nothing would shame me...er..I mean a drunken Planeteer....

htismaqe
05-04-2006, 08:54 PM
Hmm, I believe I read it correctly.

It seems Gunther would like to have more first day picks as his starters, no? If Gun follows his own advice he would select a first day pick as the CB opposite surtain. Of the CBs currently on the roster I believe only Battle is a first day pick. This also follows last year's preseason when Gun challenged Battle to "take his (Warfield's) job". Of course this is pure speculation but, ¿what else is there to do in the offseason?

It gets really interesting because there are four CBs (Battle, Hodge, Sapp, Maxey) who might start or might not even be on the roster. Anyway, of the corners we currently have on the roster who do you think will start?

You may be onto something there.

Coach
05-04-2006, 08:55 PM
Gunther said on both radio stations that Bell is the fastest 6 yards in football or something to that effect.

What he was trying to get acrossed is that the guy is EXPLOSIVE, not fast. In other words, he should be rushing the passer, not covering tight ends...

Well, let's hope that's the case for this year, as last year was a failed experiment, that Bell was lining up (for the most part) aganist a TE.

htismaqe
05-04-2006, 09:24 PM
Well, let's hope that's the case for this year, as last year was a failed experiment, that Bell was lining up (for the most part) aganist a TE.

Gunther addressed that. He said Bell needed to learn the system. He almost made it sound like he played Bell out of position on purpose so that he would learn...

Mr. Laz
05-04-2006, 11:16 PM
I have the deepest respect for your gridiron acumen, Mr. Laz. You are spectacularly well versed in the art. However, I don't know if Gun is easily controlled or not. In fact, he may lack the control lobe entirely.

In the past, I have observed behavior in Gun that would shame a drunken Planeteer.

FAX
maybe controlled was the improper word to use Mr. Fax.


perhaps "company man" would of been more appropriate?


basically they will all want to talk up their draft picks ... i don't think it has much to do with Mr. Htismaqe suggestions.

Rausch
05-04-2006, 11:19 PM
Bell wasn't/isn't a bad player, he's a misused player.

If we started blocking with Gonzo and running Dunn out in Gonzo's routes I doubt we'd see the same production...

htismaqe
05-05-2006, 06:13 AM
maybe controlled was the improper word to use Mr. Fax.

perhaps "company man" would of been more appropriate?

basically they will all want to talk up their draft picks ... i don't think it has much to do with Mr. Htismaqe suggestions.

Based on his comments about Kendrell Bell, I don't believe Gunther is spouting the company line. I think he's the guy standing on the table trying to get people to listen to him.

Carl was ready to cut Bell. The only reason he's still here is because of Gunther.

Let me put it this way:

What Gunther says about these draft picks is true and genuine. He may be WRONG, but he's not insincere. The "company line" you hear about these guys from Carl or Herm or Kuharich when they gush about Hali and Pollard CAME from Gunther, not the other way around.

I listened very closely to what he said yesterday. This isn't 2000 Gunther...

big nasty kcnut
05-05-2006, 06:41 AM
I love gunther he know how to pick talent. Also we got guys that look like they want to kill somebody not be gq cuties.Pollard look like a guy who will knock your teeth in and then make out with your girlfriend last year we had william bartee a guy who would be happy with a paycheck.

Rausch
05-05-2006, 06:44 AM
Based on his comments about Kendrell Bell, I don't believe Gunther is spouting the company line. I think he's the guy standing on the table trying to get people to listen to him.

Carl was ready to cut Bell. The only reason he's still here is because of Gunther.

Let me put it this way:

What Gunther says about these draft picks is true and genuine. He may be WRONG, but he's not insincere. The "company line" you hear about these guys from Carl or Herm or Kuharich when they gush about Hali and Pollard CAME from Gunther, not the other way around.

I listened very closely to what he said yesterday. This isn't 2000 Gunther...

Mah little girl just got a round of applause at her 3RD recital...

Warrior5
05-05-2006, 08:35 AM
Bell wasn't/isn't a bad player, he's a misused player.

Ganz genau...

Last year, Bell was dropped into coverage alot. His hunting grounds should be LOS & enemy backfield.

Chiefnj
05-05-2006, 08:43 AM
Gunther said on both radio stations that Bell is the fastest 6 yards in football or something to that effect.

What he was trying to get acrossed is that the guy is EXPLOSIVE, not fast. In other words, he should be rushing the passer, not covering tight ends...

So Guther is saying Bell is explosive, yet Gunther misused him and put him in a scheme that did not play to his strengths? Brilliant. That gives me all kinds of confidence this year.

FAX
05-05-2006, 08:44 AM
Pollard look like a guy who will knock your teeth in and then make out with your girlfriend.

And that, Mr. kcnut, is how defense should be played.

FAX

Rausch
05-05-2006, 08:46 AM
So Guther is saying Bell is explosive, yet Gunther misused him and put him in a scheme that did not play to his strengths? Brilliant. That gives me all kinds of confidence this year.

Believe what you want, but Bell was misused...

Chiefnj
05-05-2006, 08:49 AM
Believe what you want, but Bell was misused...

Who misused him? The same guy who is with the team this year running the show on D. Like I said, it inspires tons of confidence.

ct
05-05-2006, 08:51 AM
Pollard look like a guy who will knock your teeth in and then make out with your girlfriend ...

And that, Mr. kcnut, is how defense should be played.

FAX

AMEN BRUTHA!!

htismaqe
05-05-2006, 09:12 AM
So Guther is saying Bell is explosive, yet Gunther misused him and put him in a scheme that did not play to his strengths? Brilliant. That gives me all kinds of confidence this year.

The only thing that gives me confidence for THIS year (it doesn't exactly make me feel good, though) is that Gunther almost sounded like last season was a sacrificial year.

He made it sound like we didn't have the horses on defense last year to get it done, and he knew it early. So he put guys like Bell in there to learn the system, rather than to do what they were good at.

Chiefnj
05-05-2006, 09:49 AM
The only thing that gives me confidence for THIS year (it doesn't exactly make me feel good, though) is that Gunther almost sounded like last season was a sacrificial year.

He made it sound like we didn't have the horses on defense last year to get it done, and he knew it early. So he put guys like Bell in there to learn the system, rather than to do what they were good at.


I skipped my morning coffee so perhaps I a bit slower than usual this morning, but what new "horses" do the Chiefs have this year as starters? Who are the new horses who are going to make a dramatic impact and make a big difference on D?

If Gun did in fact make it sound like last year was a sacrificial year (which I doubt) then screw him for wasting DV's final year and a twilight year of guys like Green, Roaf and Shields.

If Herm is going to want to play cover 2, I don't see how Bell's role is changed any for the better.

sedated
05-05-2006, 09:59 AM
I support keeping Bell for one reason:

He's a former 1st-round draft pick, and a former DRoY at that.

They don't just grow on trees.


He was actually a second round pick - number 39 overall.

looks like your reasoning might need adjustment :D

ct
05-05-2006, 10:07 AM
I don't buy the sacrificial year. They tried, it didn't work, and now they spin. Just like every other team does. Same goes for talking up the draft picks, every team does it. Just the way it is.

Coogs
05-05-2006, 10:15 AM
The only thing that gives me confidence for THIS year (it doesn't exactly make me feel good, though) is that Gunther almost sounded like last season was a sacrificial year.

He made it sound like we didn't have the horses on defense last year to get it done, and he knew it early. So he put guys like Bell in there to learn the system, rather than to do what they were good at.

Gun is the only guy that DOESN'T give me confidence for this year. Damn, last season he specifically asked for Knight, Surtain, Bell, and Hall. Seems to me like he may have asked for one more too. He also had a 2nd year Allen, a vastly improved Mitchell, and a huge bonus in DJ. WTF does he mean he didn't have the horses to get it done and had to sacrifice the season?

IMO, he should have been thrown out the door with the old regime.

htismaqe
05-05-2006, 10:55 AM
He was actually a second round pick - number 39 overall.

looks like your reasoning might need adjustment :D

No, the reasoning doesn't need adjustment, the type does.

He was a former first-DAY pick. :D

htismaqe
05-05-2006, 10:55 AM
I skipped my morning coffee so perhaps I a bit slower than usual this morning, but what new "horses" do the Chiefs have this year as starters? Who are the new horses who are going to make a dramatic impact and make a big difference on D?

If Gun did in fact make it sound like last year was a sacrificial year (which I doubt) then screw him for wasting DV's final year and a twilight year of guys like Green, Roaf and Shields.

If Herm is going to want to play cover 2, I don't see how Bell's role is changed any for the better.

The new horses are Hali and Pollard.

As for the rest of your post, I see your point.

htismaqe
05-05-2006, 10:56 AM
Gun is the only guy that DOESN'T give me confidence for this year. Damn, last season he specifically asked for Knight, Surtain, Bell, and Hall. Seems to me like he may have asked for one more too. He also had a 2nd year Allen, a vastly improved Mitchell, and a huge bonus in DJ. WTF does he mean he didn't have the horses to get it done and had to sacrifice the season?

IMO, he should have been thrown out the door with the old regime.

I understand what you're saying and I'm right there with you. I can't stand Gunther.

But what's the point of going into next season thinking that we can't win as long as he's here?

I might as well root for another team if that's the case.

ct
05-05-2006, 11:02 AM
I understand what you're saying and I'm right there with you. I can't stand Gunther.

But what's the point of going into next season thinking that we can't win as long as he's here?

I might as well root for another team if that's the case.

You could always pull for the Royals. :)

Chiefnj
05-05-2006, 11:07 AM
The new horses are Hali and Pollard.

As for the rest of your post, I see your point.

Two rookies are the horses to turn the page this year?

I love the Hali pick. But reality tells me, (a) Hicks (who is a Gunther favorite) is still going to get playing time, (b) rookie impact is always limited, (c) Hali's impact is going to be further limited by the sub-par performance of KC's DT's. and (d) Gun and Herm have already discussed moving Hali into a DT spot in some situations even further limiting, IMHO, Hali's impact.

As for Pollard, I'm coming around to liking the pick more than I did a week ago, but I don't see him unseating Knight, the defensive leader and brains of the team.

I also agree with what Coogs has already posted. First it was "I can win with the existing players, they just need a new scheme." Then it was "I really need this shopping list of players." The shopping list is obtained and then it is "I still need more."

Frankie
05-05-2006, 11:09 AM
I may be alone in this, Mr. Otter, but I haven't given up on Bell as yet. I don't think he was used correctly last year (as many have said), but I also believe his shoulder was giving him more problems than many knew.

Additionally, I don't believe he whines, neg reps, or has contracted herpes, and he probably has a high sperm count, too.

FAX
:LOL:
You are NOT alone.

Woodrow Call
05-05-2006, 11:11 AM
The new horses are Hali and Pollard.
.

I think Ron Edwards is going to be a good new horse as well. A healthy Carlos Hall is going to help too.

htismaqe
05-05-2006, 11:15 AM
Two rookies are the horses to turn the page this year?

I love the Hali pick. But reality tells me, (a) Hicks (who is a Gunther favorite) is still going to get playing time, (b) rookie impact is always limited, (c) Hali's impact is going to be further limited by the sub-par performance of KC's DT's. and (d) Gun and Herm have already discussed moving Hali into a DT spot in some situations even further limiting, IMHO, Hali's impact.

As for Pollard, I'm coming around to liking the pick more than I did a week ago, but I don't see him unseating Knight, the defensive leader and brains of the team.

I also agree with what Coogs has already posted. First it was "I can win with the existing players, they just need a new scheme." Then it was "I really need this shopping list of players." The shopping list is obtained and then it is "I still need more."

Gunther threw Hicks under the bus. He flat-out said that this team had 4 1st-day picks starting on defense when he got here. Now they've got seven. He said we're gonna have 2 more.

And again, I don't disagree with you at all. I just can't see what product purpose is served by poo-pooing the upcoming season because of something like this.

I didn't want him retained, but he was. Might as well give him what he wants. The worst thing that could happen is that he fails and we start over. However, the upside is that he's FINALLY right.

Frankie
05-05-2006, 11:18 AM
that post had nothing to do with what Gun said, or Gun at all.
Did yours?

The only two posts above you were htismaqe's thread starter (which had everything to do with Gun, and el borracho's which was at least about our 'D' and therefore indirectly about our DC. Both were more relevant than yours. My reaction was mostly because I thought you were replying to htismaqe. Apparently he thought so to (post #6). Next time may I suggest to quote the post you want to reply to?

Frankie
05-05-2006, 11:22 AM
No, had everything to do with you being a jackass...

Note the smilies in the original thread starter.
I am begining to think he was replying to el borracho, not you. Even if that was the case I don't think el borracho's was so unrelated to the topic to merit such a reaction. Sedated would have done well to add something to the discussion, instead of just attacking someone.

Frankie
05-05-2006, 11:24 AM
I wonder if he means Battle starting at corner. I have a hard time seeing Pollard unseating Knight this season.
Agreed. I hope Pollard is everything the Chiefs think he is. But even so, I think he should alternate with Knight at most.

Frankie
05-05-2006, 11:31 AM
Yeah, of our current CBs I would guess that Battle is Gun's first choice to start. But Battle may or may not be healthy.

* Battle has size and (did have) speed and has some limited NFL experience. Battle was also Gun's choice to start last year and then hurt himself. Is he healthy enough to play and/ or start this year?
* Sapp has NFL experience but is not prototypical CB size and I think Gun puts a premium on size and speed. Will Sapp's experience override his physical shortcomings and keep him on the roster?
* Hodge has size but was a day 2 pick, has only practice squad experience and was selected before Herm got here. Will Hodge's practice squad experience earn him a roster spot over Maxey?
* Maxey has size and speed but was a day 2 pick. Obviously, Maxey has no NFL experience and only limited college experience but he was chosen in the Herm Edwards era. Will we try to sneak him onto the practice squad this year to gain experience or will Gun be enamored by his physical attributes?
Good, well reasoned post.

Side note:

Nothing will make me happier than the sight of Battle as a stud CB. If nothing else, for the cool name he has. Seems like the Chiefs stopped filling the roster with cool names (Lanier, Hill, Otis Taylor, etc) after the Stram era and now are more into forgetable common names (Johnson, Wilson, Williams, etc.)

htismaqe
05-05-2006, 11:41 AM
I am begining to think he was replying to el borracho, not you. Even if that was the case I don't think el borracho's was so unrelated to the topic to merit such a reaction. Sedated would have done well to add something to the discussion, instead of just attacking someone.

Actually, he was responding to me and the portion of my post where I was saying "I told you so."

He missed the smilie, or he was looking for some reason to bitch at me.

Coogs
05-05-2006, 02:28 PM
I understand what you're saying and I'm right there with you. I can't stand Gunther.

But what's the point of going into next season thinking that we can't win as long as he's here?

I'm really thinkiing we can win, but it is going to be difficult. It seems to me as if most of the weaker opponents on our schedule have upgraded their talent significantly. Plus, I already think we are behind several teams as far a realistic possibilities of going to the Super Bowl as on May 5th. Indy, NE, Denver, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, to name a few.

I like the Head Coaching change. I like the new assistant coaching changes. But I am a little leary on Gun being the weak link that will prevent us from possibly going to the Super Bowl. It seems as if the new HC has come in and told the DC we are going to run the cover two. I'm thinking if Gun really believed in the cover two, then that would have been the staple of what we were doing, not something we are going to change to.

I think he is full of crap, and has been elected to Pope status around here because of a 4 down sereis against the Bills many years ago when he blitzed the hell out of Collins on first-and-goal late in the game.

If we go to the Super Bowl, I personally feel it wil be in spite of Gun instead of because of Gun.

htismaqe
05-05-2006, 05:56 PM
I'm really thinkiing we can win, but it is going to be difficult. It seems to me as if most of the weaker opponents on our schedule have upgraded their talent significantly. Plus, I already think we are behind several teams as far a realistic possibilities of going to the Super Bowl as on May 5th. Indy, NE, Denver, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, to name a few.

I like the Head Coaching change. I like the new assistant coaching changes. But I am a little leary on Gun being the weak link that will prevent us from possibly going to the Super Bowl. It seems as if the new HC has come in and told the DC we are going to run the cover two. I'm thinking if Gun really believed in the cover two, then that would have been the staple of what we were doing, not something we are going to change to.

I think he is full of crap, and has been elected to Pope status around here because of a 4 down sereis against the Bills many years ago when he blitzed the hell out of Collins on first-and-goal late in the game.

If we go to the Super Bowl, I personally feel it wil be in spite of Gun instead of because of Gun.

Which of our weaker opponents upgraded any more than we did?

Cincy is soft, as soft as we have been under Vermeil. And Denver? Please.

The more I think about this draft and the more I read about the team, the less I think we're gonna go full-on Cover 2...

stevieray
05-05-2006, 08:06 PM
If we go to the Super Bowl, I personally feel it wil be in spite of Gun instead of because of Gun.

wow. that's pretty harsh.

the Talking Can
05-05-2006, 08:28 PM
one way or the other Gunther did something stupid...he played a player that was injured and sucked, or he "sacrificed" a year to let a player learn a new position...personally, I still think Gun is part of the problem....his schemes and talent evaluation skills are questionable...but we're stuck with him...

cdcox
05-05-2006, 08:33 PM
I'Plus, I already think we are behind several teams as far a realistic possibilities of going to the Super Bowl as on May 5th. Indy, NE, Denver, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, to name a few.


No kidding. Consider the outcome the last time we faced each of these teams. [shudder]

milkman
05-05-2006, 08:35 PM
wow. that's pretty harsh.

It is, and I agree with him.

stevieray
05-05-2006, 08:36 PM
It is, and I agree with him.

ok.

and?

stevieray
05-05-2006, 08:39 PM
No kidding. Consider the outcome the last time we faced each of these teams. [shudder]


We annihilated Cincy @ Arrowhead. We beat Denver @ Arrowhead.

I think we can hang with NE.

cdcox
05-05-2006, 08:42 PM
We annihilated Cincy @ Arrowhead. We beat Denver @ Arrowhead.

I think we can hang with NE.

Sarcasm detector was needed. We beat each of these teams the last time we played them.

Granted they were all in Arrowhead.

milkman
05-05-2006, 08:45 PM
Just going to cover a few things that have been mentioned.

Has anyone from the Chiefs come out and stated that we are going to convert to a cover two as our base D, or is this just an assumption based on the fact that Hermie has been named HC?


So Gunt, whose talent evalution has been suspect, is excited because the guys he wanted are the ones we got?

And we should be excited?

I'm not excited at all about Bell.
He lacks the speed to be an edge rusher, which is how Gunt intends to use him, as I understand it.

tk13
05-05-2006, 08:48 PM
I think we can play with anybody. I get railed on for saying this but I still think schedule plays a part of it. Us and San Diego were two very good teams last year but our schedule beat us down. The players and coaches can't use that as an excuse but as an objective fan I do think it makes a difference. Pittsburgh had the easiest schedule of the three of us down the stretch and look what happened to them. Just like how Indy and Denver used easy schedules to catapult themselves into the bye games. Having to basically play 6 straight playoff games at the end of the year was just brutal. We proved we could play with a lot of those teams, and we got beat up by a couple of them. It's a small difference between great, good, and bad in the NFL.

milkman
05-05-2006, 08:48 PM
ok.

and?

Just thought I'd let you know that someone out here agrees with him.

And I'll bet you aren't surprised by my opinion, either.

stevieray
05-05-2006, 08:51 PM
Sarcasm detector was needed. We beat each of these teams the last time we played them.

Granted they were all in Arrowhead.

I misread, sorry.

Interestingly enough, I just watched the cincy game the other day.

It would've been nice if we didn't sustain injuries at each level of the defense. I'm just hoping that the other players respond like Kawika did, and the fact that we have a defensive minded HC can't hurt their psyche.

I love the O DV brought, but it was at the expense of the D. not only player wise ( no major push before last offseason), but mentally as well.

stevieray
05-05-2006, 08:52 PM
Just thought I'd let you know that someone out here agrees with him.

And I'll bet you aren't surprised by my opinion, either.

Ya, I wonderd why you didn't just give him props.

stevieray
05-05-2006, 08:54 PM
It's a small difference between great, good, and bad in the NFL.

And it appears to get smaller every year.

PastorMikH
05-05-2006, 08:58 PM
It would've been nice if we didn't sustain injuries at each level of the defense.



Injuries and levels, that reminds me of this one fan that I heard about who was injured by diving over a rail at Arrowhead...





The golden oldies are too good to let die.:D

stevieray
05-05-2006, 09:00 PM
Injuries and levels, that reminds me of this one fan that I heard about who was injured by diving over a rail at Arrowhead...





The golden oldies are too good to let die.:D

ya it's funny what your legacy ends up being.

Coogs
05-06-2006, 09:04 AM
wow. that's pretty harsh.

Possibly. I just don't see Gun as a solution to the problems on the defensive side of the ball. In fact, I have about as much faith in him as I do in GR. The only time Gun has put a good defense on the field in KC, the defense was littered with Pro-Bowlers and a couple of potential HOF'ers. And even with that cast, the defense was up and down. Top 5 one year, in the teens the next, top 5 the next year, and so on. Plus, he always tinkered with DT's position. Out coached himself with one of the greatest defenders we ever had. Gun contained him more than the opponents did at times.

I just don't have faith in him. I really think for our defense to be good this season, Herm is going to have to call the shots.


On a related note, while watching the NFL Draft on ESPN, the gang reported many times that they have seen Pop Warner teams that could tackle better than the Chiefs defense did last season. To me, that goes right on Gun. DV to an extent, but definately on Gun.

Chiefnj
05-06-2006, 09:07 AM
I just don't have faith in him. I really think for our defense to be good this season, Herm is going to have to call the shots.

With the Jets Herm was not typically the playcaller on defense.

stevieray
05-06-2006, 09:14 AM
Possibly. I just don't see Gun as a solution to the problems on the defensive side of the ball. In fact, I have about as much faith in him as I do in GR. The only time Gun has put a good defense on the field in KC, the defense was littered with Pro-Bowlers and a couple of potential HOF'ers. And even with that cast, the defense was up and down. Top 5 one year, in the teens the next, top 5 the next year, and so on. Plus, he always tinkered with DT's position. Out coached himself with one of the greatest defenders we ever had. Gun contained him more than the opponents did at times.

I just don't have faith in him. I really think for our defense to be good this season, Herm is going to have to call the shots.


On a related note, while watching the NFL Draft on ESPN, the gang reported many times that they have seen Pop Warner teams that could tackle better than the Chiefs defense did last season. To me, that goes right on Gun. DV to an extent, but definately on Gun.

nice post, but if these guys aren't tackling, that's on them, IMO.

Coogs
05-06-2006, 09:15 AM
With the Jets Herm was not typically the playcaller on defense.

I guess I wasn't real clear on what I meant. I was not talking on gameday. I was talking more on the lines of the big picture. Give Gun the Blue Print. Then watch over his shoulder carefully everyday to make sure that Blue Print is being followed to a T. A very short leash for Gun.

Coogs
05-06-2006, 09:21 AM
but if these guys aren't tackling, that's on them, IMO.

True, but they are Gun's guys. He drafted most of these guys and/or brought them in since he returned to the Chiefs. The first time he was DC here, most all of the guys were already on board when he got here. To me, it all comes back to Gun.

FAX
05-06-2006, 09:43 AM
I've always been a Gun fan. Always. But, Mr. Coogs' arguments may be changing my mind, somewhat.

It's possible that Gun has built his career on motivating players but has been unable to evolve into the kind of strategist that today's NFL demands. Other DCs and defensive-minded HCs have been able to respond to changes in the game, adapt their schemes and talent, and remain competitive year to year. Gun hasn't seemed to be able to do this. This may be his primary flaw.

Does Herm recognize this? I don't know. But, Herm is defense-oriented and Mr. Coogs' assertion that Herm may provide the overall strategy, leaving the execution, motivation, and on-the-field tactics to Gun, may be exactly right.

FAX

splatbass
05-06-2006, 09:54 AM
Gun had the problem the last 2 years of being saddled with assistant coaches he didn't want, that just plain sucked, and that didn't believe in his scheme. Now that he has his own guys in there I'm hoping things will change. I think Krumrie may be capable of motivating some of the underachievers like Sims to perform. Only time will tell, but I'm not going to write Gun off yet.

el borracho
05-06-2006, 10:14 AM
If Sims weren't so lazy he wouldn't get injured all the time! Only lazy guys get hurt playing football!

jspchief
05-06-2006, 10:21 AM
I'm hoping Gun's use of Bell last year was about covering for a rookie on the other side. I know DJ came out and had an amazing game in week 1, but he also made a lot of rookie mistakes throughout the year. Maybe Gun felt that playing back in coverage was the tougher assignment, so relied on the veteran Bell to handle that stuff more often. I also think there's a chance that they were trying to cover for a less than 100% Bell.

IMO, Gun used both our OLBs wrong. It's like he forced both of them to play outside of their strengths. There's really ony 3 explanations I can come up with:

1. Trying to cover for Bell not being 100%
2. Trying to cover for a rookie at the other OLB position
3. Gun is simply an idiot (which even if you think he's a bad D-coordinator, I would argue that he knows the LB position).

Coogs
05-06-2006, 10:42 AM
Gun had the problem the last 2 years of being saddled with assistant coaches he didn't want, that just plain sucked, and that didn't believe in his scheme.

Then why did he come here? And if his scheme is so good, then why all the talk from Herm and the players that indicates we are going cover two?

Coogs
05-06-2006, 10:45 AM
Which of our weaker opponents upgraded any more than we did?

I'm thinking Cleveland, Miami, and Arizona.

jspchief
05-06-2006, 11:04 AM
Then why did he come here? And if his scheme is so good, then why all the talk from Herm and the players that indicates we are going cover two?I've seen only a few mentions of the Cover 2 from actual coaches. Most of the stuff has come across as media speculation.

My guess is we'll play some situational Cover 2, but I don't think we have the personnel to run it as our base package. If we add a CB or FS via FA, that could potentially change.

That's not to say Gun's scheme last year was good. I think it definately needs some fixing, specifically in the secondary. Some of that may have been coaches, and I wonder if some of it is just a bad mix of players. But we need to put our #1 on their #1 and we need to start playing our OLBs to their strengths. I don't want to completely change what we're doing on defense simply because some guys like Mitchell are really starting to shine.

The way I see it, we'll have a new team playing defense. Hali and Hall will boost DE play. Sims and Edwards will boost DT play. Bell and DJ will have a year of experience in the system. Wesley will have a year of experience at FS. And we could potentially have a bunch of other DBs contributing, including Battle, Pollard, Hodge, and maybe even Maxey.

CoMoChief
05-06-2006, 11:27 AM
Possibly. I just don't see Gun as a solution to the problems on the defensive side of the ball. In fact, I have about as much faith in him as I do in GR. The only time Gun has put a good defense on the field in KC, the defense was littered with Pro-Bowlers and a couple of potential HOF'ers. And even with that cast, the defense was up and down. Top 5 one year, in the teens the next, top 5 the next year, and so on. Plus, he always tinkered with DT's position. Out coached himself with one of the greatest defenders we ever had. Gun contained him more than the opponents did at times.

I just don't have faith in him. I really think for our defense to be good this season, Herm is going to have to call the shots.


On a related note, while watching the NFL Draft on ESPN, the gang reported many times that they have seen Pop Warner teams that could tackle better than the Chiefs defense did last season. To me, that goes right on Gun. DV to an extent, but definately on Gun.


the coaches cant tackle the players themselves, the players have to do it

unlurking
05-06-2006, 12:18 PM
1. Trying to cover for Bell not being 100%
2. Trying to cover for a rookie at the other OLB position
3. Gun is simply an idiot (which even if you think he's a bad D-coordinator, I would argue that he knows the LB position).

I'd go for a slight combination of all three, but in terms of knowing LBer, I think you are correct. Someone pointed out the good things he had to work with and still couldn't get it done last year. I singled on the "vastly improved MLB Mitchell" ( or something like that) and thought to myself, he created that player from the ground up. KM was a HORRIBLE player when he first got here. Gun totally rebuilt the man into a good MLB who I think has a chance to be great. Outside of LB though, there are still some questions regarding his overall coaching. I'm hoping Krumrie will re-invent the DL as Gun did the LB corp.

FAX
05-06-2006, 12:19 PM
I'd go for a slight combination of all three, but in terms of knowing LBer, I think you are correct. Someone pointed out the good things he had to work with and still couldn't get it done last year. I singled on the "vastly improved MLB Mitchell" ( or something like that) and thought to myself, he created that player from the ground up. KM was a HORRIBLE player when he first got here. Gun totally rebuilt the man into a good MLB who I think has a chance to be great. Outside of LB though, there are still some questions regarding his overall coaching. I'm hoping Krumrie will re-invent the DL as Gun did the LB corp.

You're right, Mr. unlurking. He did the same thing here with Bulluck.

FAX

milkman
05-06-2006, 03:52 PM
But we need to put our #1 on their #1

Unless Hermie forces a change, that is unlikely to happen.

To the best of my memory, Gunt has never used his CBs in that manner.

htismaqe
05-06-2006, 08:37 PM
I'm thinking Cleveland, Miami, and Arizona.

I wouldn't lump Miami in this group, so I'm not gonna address them.

As far as Cleveland and Arizona, they both upgraded in areas that may not really be needs. Cleveland especially has no QB and little in the way of offense.

Coogs
05-08-2006, 03:09 PM
I singled on the "vastly improved MLB Mitchell" ( or something like that) and thought to myself, he created that player from the ground up. KM was a HORRIBLE player when he first got here. Gun totally rebuilt the man into a good MLB who I think has a chance to be great. Outside of LB though, there are still some questions regarding his overall coaching.

Sorry to take so long to get back to this issue. Had company all weekend and have been busy today.

I agree that Mitchell was the most improved player on the defense last season. In fact, he may have been the only improved player on the defense.

And I agree with your last statement too. Outside of LB, there a lot of questions regarding his overall coaching. The DC has to be responsible for the whole team, not just the MLB on the LB corp. In fact, I would say the rest of the LB's underachieved last season. Even though DJ had a nice season, I expected much more. And the other side was a total disaster.

So is Gun a qulified DC, or just a position coach. I'm beginning to think he is in way over his head as a DC, nevermind the HC'ing gig he had here.

The last playoff win we had in KC was 2003. Gun hired on in 2004. Our defense melted down under Gun in Marty's last season, and the whole team melted down under Gun culminating with the Atlanta fiasco to end his run as HC.

And the defense/team continues to flounder as we head into year 13 of Gunther.

htismaqe
05-08-2006, 04:26 PM
Sorry to take so long to get back to this issue. Had company all weekend and have been busy today.

I agree that Mitchell was the most improved player on the defense last season. In fact, he may have been the only improved player on the defense.

And I agree with your last statement too. Outside of LB, there a lot of questions regarding his overall coaching. The DC has to be responsible for the whole team, not just the MLB on the LB corp. In fact, I would say the rest of the LB's underachieved last season. Even though DJ had a nice season, I expected much more. And the other side was a total disaster.

So is Gun a qulified DC, or just a position coach. I'm beginning to think he is in way over his head as a DC, nevermind the HC'ing gig he had here.

The last playoff win we had in KC was 2003. Gun hired on in 2004. Our defense melted down under Gun in Marty's last season, and the whole team melted down under Gun culminating with the Atlanta fiasco to end his run as HC.

And the defense/team continues to flounder as we head into year 13 of Gunther.

The last playoff win we had was in 1993. Gunther was hired after the 1994 season (so he was DC in 1995).

We're actually in year 7 of Gunther, 3 years as DC, 2 years as HC, and now 2 years as DC again.

Here's a little tidbit for ya:

We've never won a playoff game with Gun on the staff.

FAX
05-08-2006, 04:28 PM
The last playoff win we had was in 1993. Gunther was hired after the 1994 season (so he was DC in 1995).

We're actually in year 7 of Gunther, 3 years as DC, 2 years as HC, and now 2 years as DC again.

Here's a little tidbit for ya:

We've never won a playoff game with Gun on the staff.

To be fair, Mr. htismaqe, that statistic would apply to practically the entire staff and front office.

I believe that over 2 billion new babies have been born since we won a playoff game.

FAX

htismaqe
05-08-2006, 04:52 PM
To be fair, Mr. htismaqe, that statistic would apply to practically the entire staff and front office.

I believe that over 2 billion new babies have been born since we won a playoff game.

FAX

Carl has won a playoff game. :D

Coogs
12-23-2006, 10:57 AM
I'm going to bring this thread back up as we head into the Christmas season. The other thread about Gun, and the post that said "Gun isn't going anywhere, Lamar wanted him here" is what made me go after this one.

I still think we are way behind most of the teams I listed.... and Cleveland did beat us. I also think, in late December, that another team is now closer to the playoffs next year than we are now. Tennessee.

I really don't know when and if it is ever going to happen out at Arrowhead, but my Christmas wish for the Chiefs is this....


I am ready for the house cleaning and the couple of years of 3-13 to 4-12 seasons that follow.


Happy Holidays!

Coogs

Count Alex's Wins
12-23-2006, 11:15 AM
Gun fought for Bell to stay again this year(must have been thoughts to cut him?) Said Bell can still play at a high level. Was cautious with Bell last year coming off injury and learning a new system. Is going to let him loose this year and take him to the next level.

Which level is that? The water level on Super Mario Bros.?

Mr. Laz
12-23-2006, 11:22 AM
woo woo ...... lets hear it for Parker and Goonther.

:clap: