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Cochise
05-05-2006, 09:28 PM
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PHILADELPHIA -- Barry Bonds got another rude welcome in a city known for its boorish behavior.

In his first game on the East Coast this season, the San Francisco Giants' slugger was greeted with the familiar boos that have followed him wherever he's played -- except at home.

"You stink, loser," a fan yelled as Bonds walked to the plate in the first inning of Friday night's game against the Philadelphia Phillies.

The boos grew louder when Bonds stepped into the batter's box and they quickly turned to cheers when he flied out to center field on the first pitch. Bonds heard it again in the third inning, when he was intentionally walked with a runner on second and one out. He grounded into a double play in the fifth and struck out in the eighth.

With Bonds in left field, fans in the bleachers behind him chanted "Just retire" and "Just inject me." A long banner in left field read: "Ruth did it on hot dogs and beer." Many carried signs that had simple asterisks on them.

One guy wore a fat suit that was supposed to represent Bonds with the Giants, while his skinny friend was the pre-pumped Bonds with the Pirates.

Alex Bues, a college student in Philadelphia originally from Connecticut, wasn't allowed to bring in a sign that read: "Got Roids?" However, someone else had a sign that said: "Got Juice?"

Bues wore a white T-shirt in which he wrote in orange and black marker, "Giant Cheater" on the front and "Disgrace" on the back above the No. 25.

Bonds entered with 712 home runs, trailing only Babe Ruth's 714 and Hank Aaron's 755.

Bonds has been a target for criticism throughout his career, especially now that he's facing lingering questions about steroids. A federal grand jury in San Francisco is investigating whether Bonds lied under oath when he said he never knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs.

Fans have vilified Bonds everywhere he's gone this season. But this is his first trip to a northeast city, where fans are generally more passionate and emotional. In Philly, they're always on the edge, mostly because the city hasn't celebrated a championship since the 76ers won the NBA title in 1983.

These fans will always be remembered for booing Santa Claus during halftime of an Eagles game during a 2-12 season in 1968.

They once cheered the temporary paralysis of Dallas Cowboys wide receiver Michael Irvin, tossed batteries at St. Louis Cardinals outfielder J.D. Drew and always give their own players a hard time when they fail to deliver in clutch situations or appear to not give an all-out effort.

Bonds first emerged from the dugout at 5:39 p.m., walked to a spot behind the batting cage and stood there for a few minutes chatting with a Phillies coach. He waved to fans who hollered his name as he walked out to left field, where most of the anti-Bonds fans were located.

An obese man wearing a sleeveless cut-off T-shirt yelled: "Barry, your head is shrinking." A few minutes later, the same guy admitted he wished he looked more like Bonds instead of a reject from a beer-league softball team.

"You see those arms? They're bigger than my legs," the hefty fan marveled.

While the haters took their shots at Bonds, other fans gathered in the right-field bleachers, hoping for a souvenir. Bonds launched several drives into the stands during batting practice and one teenager drew loud cheers for using his Phillies cap to catch one of the homers.

Another teenager wearing a Yankees jersey and cap caught two of Bonds' batting-practice shots. He planned to save those balls for quite a while.

Some fans didn't understand the hype surrounding Bonds' pursuit of Ruth.

"Why is there such a big deal about this? He's not breaking a record. He's going to be in second place, not first place," a fan wearing a Bonds jersey said.

Sports radio host Howard Eskin of WIP-AM in Philadelphia spent the past week telling fans they should walk out of their seats, turn their backs to Bonds and go up to the concession stands when he bats. It didn't seem many listened.

"I don't understand the outrage," a caller to the station said earlier in the day. "Why should I boo Bonds? I didn't boo Mark McGwire. I didn't boo Sammy Sosa. I didn't boo Brady Anderson. I think they used steroids."

Bonds got loud boos when the lineups were introduced before the game, though there was a smattering of cheers. Most saved their best for the first inning.

In San Francisco's season opener at San Diego, a fan tossed a syringe near Bonds as he came off the field in between innings. They stuck to hurling insults in Philly -- at least early in the game.

Cochise
05-05-2006, 09:29 PM
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big nasty kcnut
05-05-2006, 09:32 PM
LOL awesome that is why i love to see bonds suffer cause it's make me happy.

58-4ever
05-05-2006, 09:35 PM
that's why some baseball fans are so great. They can really thorow low-blows.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-05-2006, 09:38 PM
I've been hearing and reading about nothing but this when it comes to baseball. I'm as vanilla as any white man alive and I hate the whole everything is racist banter that comes from so many people. All that being said, this is racist. I hope he breaks the record. I'll be curious to see if we hear this much noise when he approaches Aaron. I think a lot of it has to do with him passing the Bambino. NO ONE booed McGuire when he went on his run, and I've seen very little about it since the steroid issue blew up. Seriously, if it was McGuire right now instead of Bonds in this position would everyone be this up in arms? And why does no one care about these kids getting caught doing it now and being suspended? It's all about one man and one man only. I suppose it's just a coincidence that he is black. Is Bonds the only bad guy? If you ask me MLB are the ones who should be blamed. They didn't care when records were being broken over the looming rumors of steroids. They just sat back and enjoyed the increased revenue. Quite frankly, I find this whole thing shameful.

big nasty kcnut
05-05-2006, 09:41 PM
Mr flopnuts no it's not racist cause i don't want him to break arron's record Hank broke the record cleanly.

DomerNKC
05-05-2006, 09:43 PM
all of bonds's numbers should be reset to zero. a simple way to deal with cheaters, take away their motivation. he was shooting for a homerun record...let him start fresh with 0.

leviw
05-05-2006, 09:43 PM
I've been hearing and reading about nothing but this when it comes to baseball. I'm as vanilla as any white man alive and I hate the whole everything is racist banter that comes from so many people. All that being said, this is racist. I hope he breaks the record. I'll be curious to see if we hear this much noise when he approaches Aaron. I think a lot of it has to do with him passing the Bambino. NO ONE booed McGuire when he went on his run, and I've seen very little about it since the steroid issue blew up. Seriously, if it was McGuire right now instead of Bonds in this position would everyone be this up in arms? And why does no one care about these kids getting caught doing it now and being suspended? It's all about one man and one man only. I suppose it's just a coincidence that he is black. Is Bonds the only bad guy? If you ask me MLB are the ones who should be blamed. They didn't care when records were being broken over the looming rumors of steroids. They just sat back and enjoyed the increased revenue. Quite frankly, I find this whole thing shameful.

It's because he's in the spotlight 24-7. It's because he knowingly cheated to get where he's at, which happens to approaching one of the most coveted records ever (Aaron's, not Ruth's). It's because McGwire and Sosa were battling in a time when steroids weren't even a thought in people's minds.

C'mon, man. This has nothing to do with race. It has to do with a cheater who has acted like nothing but a d*ck to the media and public when he began all these homerun chases. All of this is his own doing. Black, white, red, green or orange, if you cheat, you get whats coming to you. He deserves all of this.....and more.

Bearcat
05-05-2006, 09:44 PM
I've been hearing and reading about nothing but this when it comes to baseball. I'm as vanilla as any white man alive and I hate the whole everything is racist banter that comes from so many people. All that being said, this is racist. I hope he breaks the record. I'll be curious to see if we hear this much noise when he approaches Aaron. I think a lot of it has to do with him passing the Bambino. NO ONE booed McGuire when he went on his run, and I've seen very little about it since the steroid issue blew up. Seriously, if it was McGuire right now instead of Bonds in this position would everyone be this up in arms? And why does no one care about these kids getting caught doing it now and being suspended? It's all about one man and one man only. I suppose it's just a coincidence that he is black. Is Bonds the only bad guy? If you ask me MLB are the ones who should be blamed. They didn't care when records were being broken over the looming rumors of steroids. They just sat back and enjoyed the increased revenue. Quite frankly, I find this whole thing shameful.

Yeah, we all hate the idea that one black guy on steroids is going to break another black guy's record because the former is black.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-05-2006, 09:46 PM
Yeah, we all hate the idea that one black guy on steroids is going to break another black guy's record because the former is black.


That's just it. I DON'T think there will be nearly this kind of heat on him when he approaches Aaron.

Moooo
05-05-2006, 09:46 PM
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You can break Babe's record all you want, Barry. I'll tell you right now the only stat Babe Ruth needs is that in 1920 He hit more homeruns single-handedly than all but one team in baseball. As soon as Barry does that, we'll compare in greatness.

I'm not racist at all, but I don't like Barry cause he's an ass. Rudeness knows no color.

Moooo

big nasty kcnut
05-05-2006, 09:48 PM
Oh yes there will be cause people don't like cheaters and barry is the ultimate cheater.

Katipan
05-05-2006, 09:48 PM
Seriously, if it was McGuire right now instead of Bonds in this position would everyone be this up in arms?

You might not have heard the boos when he passed Babe, but there would have been riots if he dared to pass Hank.

leviw
05-05-2006, 09:49 PM
That's just it. I DON'T think there will be nearly this kind of heat on him when he approaches Aaron.

That's a bit ignorant. Bonds will be just as much of a cheater next year going after that record than he is right now.

DomerNKC
05-05-2006, 09:49 PM
That's just it. I DON'T think there will be nearly this kind of heat on him when he approaches Aaron.he doesnt deserve to approach ruth or aaron.

leviw
05-05-2006, 09:51 PM
You can break Babe's record all you want, Barry. I'll tell you right now the only stat Babe Ruth needs is that in 1920 He hit more homeruns single-handedly than all but one team in baseball.

That's a nice stat, but it's not one that's possible to attain anymore, therefore no one cares.

This all-time career homerun list is possibly the most sought after record in sports.

Bearcat
05-05-2006, 09:52 PM
That's just it. I DON'T think there will be nearly this kind of heat on him when he approaches Aaron.

Missed that part... gotcha.


At the time of McGwire & Sosa, fans were in denial.... neither got booed. It wasn't until the hearings and stuff that people started the astericks talk.

To say it's racist is ignoring how Bonds has created the hatred due to his attitude towards the media so many years and because of the half-assed efforts he's had in the field in the past..... and how baseball was in the state of denail with McGwire and Sosa at the time, and both of them were loved by the media and fans. Those two weren't hated before taking steroids, so they aren't nearly as easy of targets than Bonds.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-05-2006, 09:53 PM
That's a bit ignorant. Bonds will be just as much of a cheater next year going after that record than he is right now.



So he's still on roids? I don't know that. He's passing piss tests. He is injured frequently now as well. I'm not coming on here to be a Bonds appologist, but I'm also not afraid to say that I am a fan.

leviw
05-05-2006, 09:54 PM
So he's still on roids? I don't know that. He's passing piss tests. He is injured frequently now as well. I'm not coming on here to be a Bonds appologist, but I'm also not afraid to say that I am a fan.

It doesn't matter if he's on them now or not. It DOES matter if he has ever hit any homeruns while he's been on them in the past.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-05-2006, 09:55 PM
Missed that part... gotcha.


At the time of McGwire & Sosa, fans were in denial.... neither got booed. It wasn't until the hearings and stuff that people started the astericks talk.

To say it's racist is ignoring how Bonds has created the hatred due to his attitude towards the media so many years and because of the half-assed efforts he's had in the field in the past..... and how baseball was in the state of denail with McGwire and Sosa at the time, and both of them were loved by the media and fans. Those two weren't hated before taking steroids, so they aren't nearly as easy of targets than Bonds.



That is the ONLY other explanation to me. And it is very probable. I also think it's a little bit of both for a lot of people. Bonds is a total prick. He's weird. He doesn't fit in because I don't think he's comfortable with himself. I think the dude has some social disorders.

Moooo
05-05-2006, 09:56 PM
Perhaps too, it ticks people off cause Babe is the epitome of legend material, and Barry is not. It's kinda like if Iverson or Bryant passed Jordan's all-time points (even though he's third). We'd all be pissed cause he's not a hero, and Jordan is, and we'd all make up excuses on how his wasn't as big of a feat.

I bet you'd have seen the same thing if Peyton Manning was considered an a-hole. People would have been like, "Well, he had Edgerrin James, who did Marino have to force the D to play the run?"

That's a nice stat, but it's not one that's possible to attain anymore, therefore no one cares.

This all-time career homerun list is possibly the most sought after record in sports.

This confuses me. That's the whole point of the stat. No one will EVER be able to do what he did again. That's what makes him so special.

Moooo

Mr. Flopnuts
05-05-2006, 09:57 PM
It doesn't matter if he's on them now or not. It DOES matter if he has ever hit any homeruns while he's been on them in the past.


So scrap all the stats for EVERY player that did roids? I don't have a problem with that. I think a lot of players have cheated over the course of baseball. Maybe since we're saying it's all because he cheated then every person who has ever cheated in baseball should have their stats eliminated. McGuire, Sosa, Conseco etc. BTW Did Nolan Ryan ever get tossed for greasing a ball or anything? They all cheated too, if it's all about 1 home run for Bonds then that should transcend to ANYONE who has EVER cheated the game of baseball.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-05-2006, 09:58 PM
Perhaps too, it ticks people off cause Babe is the epitome of legend material, and Barry is not. It's kinda like if Iverson or Bryant passed Jordan's all-time points (even though he's third). We'd all be pissed cause he's not a hero, and Jordan is, and we'd all make up excuses on how his wasn't as big of a feat.

I bet you'd have seen the same thing if Peyton Manning was considered an a-hole. People would have been like, "Well, he had Edgerrin James, who did Marino have to force the D to play the run?"

Moooo



I'll buy that for a dollar. Good point.

Cochise
05-05-2006, 09:59 PM
I've been hearing and reading about nothing but this when it comes to baseball. I'm as vanilla as any white man alive and I hate the whole everything is racist banter that comes from so many people. All that being said, this is racist. I hope he breaks the record. I'll be curious to see if we hear this much noise when he approaches Aaron. I think a lot of it has to do with him passing the Bambino. NO ONE booed McGuire when he went on his run, and I've seen very little about it since the steroid issue blew up. Seriously, if it was McGuire right now instead of Bonds in this position would everyone be this up in arms? And why does no one care about these kids getting caught doing it now and being suspended? It's all about one man and one man only. I suppose it's just a coincidence that he is black. Is Bonds the only bad guy? If you ask me MLB are the ones who should be blamed. They didn't care when records were being broken over the looming rumors of steroids. They just sat back and enjoyed the increased revenue. Quite frankly, I find this whole thing shameful.

McGwire didn't have a grand jury gathering evidence against him. Bonds has had the veil lifted on his life. With McGwire it was a suspicion. With Bonds, everyone damn well knows what's going on.

Secondly, if Bonds weren't such a complete pr*ck, people wouldn't wish failure on him. Everybody likes to see an arrogant jerk get humbled.

leviw
05-05-2006, 10:00 PM
So scrap all the stats for EVERY player that did roids? I don't have a problem with that. I think a lot of players have cheated over the course of baseball. Maybe since we're saying it's all because he cheated then every person who has ever cheated in baseball should have their stats eliminated. McGuire, Sosa, Conseco etc. BTW Did Nolan Ryan ever get tossed for greasing a ball or anything? They all cheated too, if it's all about 1 home run for Bonds then that should transcend to ANYONE who has EVER cheated the game of baseball.

I'm not saying anything should be erased, he found a loophole in the system. Good for him. But it's still cheating. I'm just telling you why people are pissed he's approaching these records. He cheated.

Moooo
05-05-2006, 10:01 PM
I'll buy that for a dollar. Good point.

No no no, good Robocop reference :)

Moooo

DomerNKC
05-05-2006, 10:08 PM
I'm not saying anything should be erased, he found a loophole in the system. Good for him. But it's still cheating. I'm just telling you why people are pissed he's approaching these records. He cheated.loophole? steroids are against the law in this country. there is nothing in the rule book that says you cant shoot someone on the field either. he took steroids to gain an unfair advantage physically. without steroids he would look like ricky henderson not mike tyson. none of his records should count as well as anyone proven to have taken steroids.

Halfcan
05-05-2006, 10:22 PM
"Lingering Questions about steroids"? I don't think there are any questions left to ask-everyone knows the answer-in a detailed book no less.

Cochise
05-05-2006, 10:25 PM
"Lingering Questions about steroids"? I don't think there are any questions left to ask-everyone knows the answer-in a detailed book no less.

Actually, Game of Shadows just arrived at my door today. I'm looking forward to seeing what's in it.

DJay23
05-05-2006, 11:02 PM
I am a Barry Bonds fan. He is an arrogant dick, but that is his personality. Why should he act like something he's not just because he's chasing records? I like people who are genuine, even if he's not what everyone wants him to be. He knows he's a prick and he doesn't hide that fact. This is why I like him, but it's also why so many people hate him and want him to fail.

Most of his homeruns were hit during a time when there was no drug policy. It's like if I go to the store and park in a particular parking spot and the next day they paint it blue with a handicap sign then give me a ticket because I parked there illegally yesterday. If he is found to have taken steroids, then remove all of his homeruns from the years we've had a drug policy on steroids which hasn't been long.

Spicy McHaggis
05-06-2006, 02:23 AM
That's just it. I DON'T think there will be nearly this kind of heat on him when he approaches Aaron.

I think it will intensify, personally. So he gets #2 in the books by passing Ruth. Alright, whatever. I think he's cheated baseball and I could give a shit what color his skin is. But I don't want him to even sniff #1. Aaron earned that record.

Guru
05-06-2006, 02:31 AM
I think it will intensify, personally. So he gets #2 in the books by passing Ruth. Alright, whatever. I think he's cheated baseball and I could give a shit what color his skin is. But I don't want him to even sniff #1. Aaron earned that record.

Hell, I don't want him even breaking Ruth's number.

Cochise
05-06-2006, 08:30 AM
I think it will intensify, personally. So he gets #2 in the books by passing Ruth. Alright, whatever. I think he's cheated baseball and I could give a shit what color his skin is. But I don't want him to even sniff #1. Aaron earned that record.

I think that people have a great affection for Ruth, and a negative personality like Bonds passing him stirs up a lot of negative emotions in people.

It's not like Ruth was just a power hitter, he revolutionized the game. Has Bonds done that? Certainly not.

Before Ruth, there really was not a power hitting side to baseball at all. It was played like a speed team would play nowadays, by stealing bases and bunting runners over. Ruth introduced the home run as a really significant aspect of the game of baseball where it wasn't before. You can't even begin to overstate Ruth's effect on the game because of the way the home run changed it; it's like if Ruth were a football player, if he were the one who had invented the forward pass.

One top of that, this wasn't a man who sold his soul to a steroid supplier or even someone who became a training freak of some kind. He did it on his own, set records that seemed impossible at the time, all while freely exercising his huge appetite for nightlife. How many people have had the seasons he had while living the life he was?

You have to wonder, if Ruth were 20 years old today, what he would end up doing in baseball. If he were training year-round, watching his diet, keeping away from excessive booze and smoking, etc. He was at the same time baseball's greatest player and an icon of that era of culture, the glitz of the roaring 20s

Even if/when Bonds passes him, you'll never tell me that on a level palying field, Bonds could carry his jock.

HMc
05-06-2006, 08:33 AM
I think if you have a massive problem with steroid use then baseball probably isn't your sport. Imagine how many there are you don't know about.

FAX
05-06-2006, 08:43 AM
I think if you have a massive problem with steroid use then baseball probably isn't your sport. Imagine how many there are you don't know about.

Interesting, Mr. HMc. You're right in my case. MLB may have lost my interest forever. The records mean nothing anymore because of the juice. It isn't really a "fan" sport anymore.

Personally, I would rather watch girl's beach volleyball than most MLB games in the regular season. Although, I go to some AAA games every year, and those are fun because the outcome is completely unpredictable. Once you get a good catcher, for example, they call him up leaving the talent level about the same on all teams and competitive all the time.

FAX

Demonpenz
05-06-2006, 12:02 PM
to say we didn't even think about steriods when mcgwire was hitting homeruns is stupid. Why was there all the hype about the andro stuff he was taking and the acne he had.

DomerNKC
05-06-2006, 12:08 PM
I think that people have a great affection for Ruth, and a negative personality like Bonds passing him stirs up a lot of negative emotions in people.

It's not like Ruth was just a power hitter, he revolutionized the game. Has Bonds done that? Certainly not.

Before Ruth, there really was not a power hitting side to baseball at all. It was played like a speed team would play nowadays, by stealing bases and bunting runners over. Ruth introduced the home run as a really significant aspect of the game of baseball where it wasn't before. You can't even begin to overstate Ruth's effect on the game because of the way the home run changed it; it's like if Ruth were a football player, if he were the one who had invented the forward pass.

One top of that, this wasn't a man who sold his soul to a steroid supplier or even someone who became a training freak of some kind. He did it on his own, set records that seemed impossible at the time, all while freely exercising his huge appetite for nightlife. How many people have had the seasons he had while living the life he was?

You have to wonder, if Ruth were 20 years old today, what he would end up doing in baseball. If he were training year-round, watching his diet, keeping away from excessive booze and smoking, etc. He was at the same time baseball's greatest player and an icon of that era of culture, the glitz of the roaring 20s

Even if/when Bonds passes him, you'll never tell me that on a level palying field, Bonds could carry his jock.dont forget the first 7 years in the league he was a pitcher. one of the best lefties in the game at that time. he was a two time twenty game winner as a pitcher. bondsroid already broke a record set by ruth that should have never been broken. Ruth held the slugging percentage for a season record for almost 70 years. bonds isnt good enough naturally to be Ruths batboy.

Sure-Oz
05-06-2006, 01:12 PM
to say we didn't even think about steriods when mcgwire was hitting homeruns is stupid. Why was there all the hype about the andro stuff he was taking and the acne he had.
No shit, mcgwire was a ****ing huge man and always breaking down, its niave to think he wasnt always on something even when he was breaking records....but bonds gets all the shit now for it, just cause he isn't a mr nice guy type.

CupidStunt
05-06-2006, 03:48 PM
Ruth was juiced.

StcChief
05-06-2006, 04:28 PM
Asterisk records will be in everyone's mind.
Just deny the him the HOF . All will be good.