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Adept Havelock
05-13-2006, 02:32 PM
Amazing, the difference in attitudes a 29% approval rating and an election year brings.


2006:

NBC: Bush may deploy Guard along U.S. border
President to address nation on immigration Monday as Senate nears deal
NBC News and news services
Updated: 3:02 p.m. ET May 12, 2006

WASHINGTON - As the White House prepared for President Bush to address the nation on immigration, sources told NBC News on Friday that the Pentagon could deploy as many as 5,000 National Guard troops to the country’s southwest borders to stem the flow of illegal immigrants.
The White House said it was seeking time from television networks for the president’s remarks on Monday at 8 p.m. ET. Bush, trying to build momentum for legislation that could provide millions of illegal immigrants a chance to become American citizens, is to speak from the Oval Office.
“This is crunch time,” Tony Snow, the new White House press secretary, told reporters.
Senate passage of the legislation appears assured, but many House Republicans oppose allowing illegal immigrants now in the country a chance at citizenship. The deployment of military troops to stem the flow of more illegal immigrants could be a way to ease that opposition.

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The same administration, on the same issue in 2005:

President uses law's escape clause to drop funding for new homeland security force



Michael Hedges, Houston Chronicle
Wednesday, February 9, 2005

Washington -- The law signed by President Bush less than two months ago to add thousands of border patrol agents along the U.S.-Mexico border has crashed into the reality of Bush's austere federal budget proposal, officials said Tuesday. Officially approved by Bush on Dec. 17 after extensive bickering in Congress, the National Intelligence Reform Act included the requirement to add 10,000 border patrol agents in the five years beginning with 2006. Roughly 80 percent of the agents were to patrol the southern U.S. border from Texas to California, along which thousands of people cross into the United States illegally every year. But Bush's proposed 2006 budget, revealed Monday, funds only 210 new border agents. The shrunken increase reflects the lack of money for an army of border guards and the capacity to train them, officials said. Retired Adm. James Loy, acting head of the Department of Homeland Security until nominee Michael Chertoff takes over, said funding only 210 new agents was a "recognition that we need to balance those things as we go on down the road with other priorities." The White House referred questions about the border agents to the Homeland Security Department. The law signed by Bush had a caveat that went virtually unreported at the time. A summary, published by the Senate Government Affairs Committee, required the government to increase the number of border patrol agents by at least 2,000 per year, "subject to available appropriations." Democrats were unhappy that the proposed budget used the escape clause so soon after the president approved the huge boost in border agents. "We know we must do more to shore up security along our borders," said Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, top Democrat on the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee. "The president's budget does not even attempt to meet this challenge." Some Republicans also were displeased. "This is an area of homeland security that needs to be ramped up in order to increase surveillance and patrols of our nation's vast and often remote borders," said Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, chair of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. A Jan. 24 letter signed by leading Republican lawmakers implored the president to fully fund the new law "in order to secure our borders against infiltration by terrorists." The lead signer was Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and a leader of GOP efforts to toughen immigration laws and anti-terrorism statutes.

Dave Lane
05-13-2006, 04:41 PM
ROFL help I need to hold my base help...

Dave

Dave Lane
05-13-2006, 04:42 PM
All your base are belong to us.

Dave

Adept Havelock
05-13-2006, 05:25 PM
All your base are belong to us.

Dave

I've seen this quote occasionally for years, but can't find the backstory on it. Not to put too fine a point on it, but WTF does it mean?

KCChiefsFan88
05-13-2006, 11:14 PM
This whole deploying the national guard along the border idea is just another band-aid solution. If the gov't really wants to crackdown on the illegal immigration problem... 1) Crackdown on companies who employ illegals, 2) Ban public schools from enrolling children (under the age of 18) of illegal parents (even if the kids were born in this country).

If these people can't get a job and can't send their kids to school there is less of an incentive to try to enter this country illegally.

CHIEF4EVER
05-13-2006, 11:19 PM
This whole deploying the national guard along the border idea is just another band-aid solution. If the gov't really wants to crackdown on the illegal immigration problem... 1) Crackdown on companies who employ illegals, 2) Ban public schools from enrolling children (under the age of 18) of illegal parents (even if the kids were born in this country).

If these people can't get a job and can't send their kids to school there is less of an incentive to try to enter this country illegally.

3) Erect a viable border fortification from Brownsville, TX to Imperial Beach, CA and effectively patrol it.

wazu
05-13-2006, 11:28 PM
I've seen this quote occasionally for years, but can't find the backstory on it. Not to put too fine a point on it, but WTF does it mean?

It's a cult classic in the "gamer" world. Some Japanese-written game that had badly broken English. In the game, apparently catching "bases" was important, and "All your base are belong to us" was what you would see if the game beat you and took all your bases.

Dave Lane
05-13-2006, 11:38 PM
Adept

Try this

http://allyourbase.planettribes.gamespy.com/video1_view.shtml

Dave

Adept Havelock
05-13-2006, 11:49 PM
It's a cult classic in the "gamer" world. Some Japanese-written game that had badly broken English. In the game, apparently catching "bases" was important, and "All your base are belong to us" was what you would see if the game beat you and took all your bases.


Adept

Try this

http://allyourbase.planettribes.gamespy.com/video1_view.shtml

Dave

ROFL
Thank you gentlemen.

Perhaps the Italian gentleman was correct when he said Translatore, Trattore.

Lake
05-14-2006, 12:18 AM
Lets fighting love.

Dave Lane
05-14-2006, 08:04 PM
ROFL
Thank you gentlemen.

Perhaps the Italian gentleman was correct when he said Translatore, Trattore.


OK whats this one mean?

Dave

Adept Havelock
05-14-2006, 08:06 PM
The translator is a traitor. When something is translated, it's original meaning is somewhat distorted or outright lost.

Dave Lane
05-14-2006, 08:38 PM
Funny, babelfish had it as Translatore Tractor I thought thats helpful! ROFL

Dave

Adept Havelock
05-14-2006, 08:40 PM
What do you expect from a fish you stick in your ear? Though it does come in handy when disproving the existence of God. Right up until the next zebra crossing, that is. ;)

Dave Lane
05-14-2006, 10:28 PM
Well I'm still trying to prove black is white and then I'll have something. ROFL

Dave

Taco John
05-15-2006, 02:39 AM
I've seen this quote occasionally for years, but can't find the backstory on it. Not to put too fine a point on it, but WTF does it mean?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us

Ugly Duck
05-15-2006, 07:41 AM
Amazing, the difference in attitudes a 29% approval rating and an election year brings.Brilliant move by Rove - ineffective deployment of troops at the border. Americans love the show of force thing. Gives the false impression that we are "getting serious" about protecting the border and at the same time does not jeopardize the supply of cheap labor to cronies of the neocons. That should boost the ratings without costing a cent because they'll just tack the bill onto the national debt.

banyon
08-21-2006, 07:57 PM
It's a cult classic in the "gamer" world. Some Japanese-written game that had badly broken English. In the game, apparently catching "bases" was important, and "All your base are belong to us" was what you would see if the game beat you and took all your bases.

an update, thanks to the summer blockbuster...

(very Ultra Peanut-esque)

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Adept Havelock
08-21-2006, 08:19 PM
I'm not certain which I find more strange. That video, or the fact you remembered this thread so you could bump and post it in it. Thanks for the guffaw. ROFL


I still can't convince myself to pay good money to see that movie.

banyon
08-21-2006, 08:26 PM
I'm not certain which I find more strange. That video, or the fact you remembered this thread so you could bump and post it in it. Thanks for the guffaw. ROFL.


I'll take that as a compliment. :D