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Frankie
05-13-2006, 03:38 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060513/ap_on_el_pr/mccain

McCain Makes Stop at Falwell's University

By SUE LINDSEY, Associated Press Writer 50 minutes ago

Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), looking to heal a rift with the religious conservatives who undermined his 2000 White House bid, told students graduating at the Rev. Jerry Falwell's university Saturday that Americans have a right to disagree on issues but should maintain respect for each other.

The Arizona Republican specifically referred to disagreements over the war in Iraq during his commencement address at Liberty University. He noted that the war "has taken innocent life," but he said he has stood his ground in support of it because he believed "my country's interests and values required it."

McCain defended the rights of those who disagree with him and argued that "Americans deserve more than tolerance from one another."

"We deserve each other's respect, whether we think each other right or wrong in our views, as long as our character and our sincerity merit respect, and as long as we share, for all our differences, for all the noisy debates that enliven our politics, a mutual devotion to the sublime idea that this nation was conceived in — that freedom is the inalienable right of mankind, and in accord with the laws of nature and nature's creator," he said.

McCain's address made no direct mention of the political divide that separated McCain and Falwell after the Baptist preacher opposed his campaign for the GOP nomination in 2000 and supported George W. Bush. At the time, McCain labeled Falwell and others on the right and the left as "agents of intolerance."

The two reconciled last fall while still acknowledging that they disagree about some issues. McCain said recently that he no longer considers Falwell an agent of intolerance. Falwell has said no apologies were asked or offered.

On Saturday, McCain received a standing ovation from the capacity crowd of 10,000 in the university's Vines Center. Falwell awarded McCain an honorary doctorate of humanities and praised the sacrifices he made for the country as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

"The ilk of John McCain is very scarce, very small," Falwell told the graduating class of 2,458.

The evangelist has denied that his invitation to McCain to be Liberty's commencement speaker meant he was supporting him for president in 2008. Should McCain be the GOP nominee, however, Falwell has said he could support him.

The two disagree over how to respond to gay marriage, for example. McCain opposes a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, which Falwell supports, but McCain favors state actions to preserve traditional marriage.

McCain made no reference to family values in his commencement address, focusing instead on global concerns.

He drew applause when he said the United States should take up arms against the "awful human catastrophe" in the Darfur region of the Sudan. Osama bin Laden and his followers, he said, "have called on Muslims to rise up against any Westerner who dares intervene to stop the genocide."

McCain drew criticism for agreeing to speak at Liberty University, the conservative Christian institution that Falwell founded in 1971. Critics suggested he was backing away from the stand he took on Falwell in 2000 to court conservatives for a likely campaign in 2008.

McCain has defended appearing at Liberty University and at liberal institutions that foster views he might not share.

His next campus venues may be contentious. Liberal activists in New York are protesting both his address at Columbia College's "Class Day" on Tuesday and his Friday commencement address at The New School, where a petition campaign was staged in an effort to disinvite him.

Adept Havelock
05-13-2006, 03:55 PM
I am a pro-life, pro-family fiscal conservative, an advocate of a strong defense, and yet Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and a few Washington leaders of the pro-life movement call me an unacceptable presidential candidate. They distort my pro- life positions and smear the reputations of my supporters.
Why? Because I don't pander to them, because I don't ascribe to their failed philosophy that money is our message.

Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right.

In 2000
Gov. Bush swung far to the right and sought out the base support of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. Those aren’t the ideas that I think are good for the Republican Party.

Back in 2000, when McCain was asked whether he stood by his description of Falwell, he said, “I must not and will not retract anything that I said in that speech at Virginia Beach. It was carefully crafted, it was carefully thought out.” (Hardball, 3/1/00)

But now, he seems to have changed his mind. He must have, as Falwell is still the same jackass that said that we deserved what happened on 9/11. :hmmm:

RUSSERT: Do you believe that Jerry Falwell is still an agent of intolerance?
MCCAIN: No, I don’t. I think that Jerry Falwell can explain to you his views on this program when you have him on.
Falwell certainly hasn't changed his stripes in the last six years. What's changed? The fact that McCain is now a front runner for the 2008 GOP nomination.
"He is in the process of healing the breech with evangelical groups," By pandering to the very groups he condemmed GWB for pandering to in 2000. Next on the agenda, the public fellating of Pat Robertson and James Dobson, about whom he had this to say, back in 2000...
I am a conservative, my friends, a proud conservative who has faith in the people I serve, but those who purport to be defenders of our party but in who -- who in reality have lost confidence in the Republican message are attacking me. They are people who have turned good causes into businesses.

Taco John
05-13-2006, 04:37 PM
McCain is trading in one base for the other... He's turned his back on the people who liked him for his independent nature, in an attempt to win the voters that supported Bush while bashing him the last time around.

I'll be curious if he'll manage to gain enough to replace the folks bailing on him...

Lake
05-13-2006, 05:55 PM
McCain is a true politician. He follows the polls and then he decides what stand that he is going to take on the issues.

Cave Johnson
05-13-2006, 06:25 PM
"The ilk of John McCain is very scarce, very small," Falwell told the graduating class of 2,458.

Nice backhanded endorsement. Ilk is way more of an insult than a compliment.

Cochise
05-13-2006, 07:04 PM
At some point, libs and the media are going to have to turn on McCain assuming he makes a run at the nomination. It'll be fun to watch after he's been their monkey-boy of convenience the past few years.

penchief
05-13-2006, 08:19 PM
At some point, libs and the media are going to have to turn on McCain assuming he makes a run at the nomination. It'll be fun to watch after he's been their monkey-boy of convenience the past few years.

I'd still consider voting for McCain but I have lost a lot of admiration for him. I no longer have faith that he is solid. I have always viewed him as a person who will not parse words when it comes to sticking by his convictions. Lately, it seems like he may be pandering.

I've always liked his pragmatic approach to politics. To me, he's the closest thing to Harry Truman that exists today (sorry, Dubya. I know your surrogates like to make the HST comparison when defending you).

Taco John
05-13-2006, 08:36 PM
At some point, libs and the media are going to have to turn on McCain assuming he makes a run at the nomination. It'll be fun to watch after he's been their monkey-boy of convenience the past few years.


I think you're late to the party. I haven't seen much praise for McCain since he started shining Georgie's shoes back about '03.

KCChiefsFan88
05-13-2006, 09:20 PM
Yep McCain selling his soul to the devil by trying to cozy up with a Christian-Taliban zealot.

Adept Havelock
05-13-2006, 09:21 PM
I think you're late to the party. I haven't seen much praise for McCain since he started shining Georgie's shoes back about '03.

Truth. To publicly lick the boots of the man that slandered you and your family is not the hallmark of leadership.

BucEyedPea
05-13-2006, 09:34 PM
The reason I don't want McCain is because he is one of the most blood-thirsty of the NeoCons. Remember he wanted more bombing of Kosovo, even when the knew what it was doing to civilians including women and children.

Baby Lee
05-13-2006, 09:59 PM
Truth. To publicly lick the boots of the man that slandered you and your family is not the hallmark of leadership.
Ugh! Link?

Adept Havelock
05-13-2006, 10:17 PM
Ugh! Link?

ROFL
I was speaking figuratively. As I was when I spoke of the inevitable public "fellating" of Dobson and Robertson. :p

wazu
05-14-2006, 12:12 AM
McCain is a true politician. He follows the polls and then he decides what stand that he is going to take on the issues.

That's about right. I was a big fan in 2000. Then I watched as one of the most powerful Senators in the country did practically nothing but campaign for President while the state he represented was being overrun by criminals from Mexico.

Taco John
05-14-2006, 01:28 AM
I still have respect for McCain. Sometimes, as a politician you have to pander. I had just been expecting more from him the last six years than to be Bush's ball boy.

Frankie
05-14-2006, 07:18 AM
I'd still consider voting for McCain but I have lost a lot of admiration for him. I no longer have faith that he is solid. I have always viewed him as a person who will not parse words when it comes to sticking by his convictions. Lately, it seems like he may be pandering.
May be pandering? Pen, my friend, if it looks like pandering, walks like pandering and sounds like pandering,... it IS pandering!

Frankie
05-14-2006, 07:20 AM
I think you're late to the party. I haven't seen much praise for McCain since he started shining Georgie's shoes back about '03.
EXACTLY. For someone who looked like a man of strong principles, he sure sold them cheap. :shake:

patteeu
05-14-2006, 07:37 AM
I'd still consider voting for McCain but I have lost a lot of admiration for him. I no longer have faith that he is solid. I have always viewed him as a person who will not parse words when it comes to sticking by his convictions. Lately, it seems like he may be pandering.

I've always liked his pragmatic approach to politics. To me, he's the closest thing to Harry Truman that exists today (sorry, Dubya. I know your surrogates like to make the HST comparison when defending you).

Maybe it's not so much that McCain has changed, maybe you just aren't very good at recognizing when you are being pandered to.

BucEyedPea
05-14-2006, 10:08 AM
McCain is a true politician. He follows the polls and then he decides what stand that he is going to take on the issues.


He must have gotten that from Bill Clinton.
Even Hillary is doin' it.

Ugly Duck
05-14-2006, 10:28 AM
Very sad. I respect politicians admitting when they were wrong, but McCain has it reversed. He was right about Falwell before, now he changed his mind and is wrong about the extremist. I've lost my two favorite Republicans, Powell and McCain. That party is now a wasteland.

Frankie
05-14-2006, 01:53 PM
Very sad. I respect politicians admitting when they were wrong, but McCain has it reversed. He was right about Falwell before, now he changed his mind and is wrong about the extremist. I've lost my two favorite Republicans, Powell and McCain. That party is now a wasteland.
Hagel? And maybe Romney. Though I don't know much about Romney.

BucEyedPea
05-14-2006, 01:55 PM
Hagel? And maybe Romney. Though I don't know much about Romney.

Romney is a RHINO. He's a liberal.

Frankie
05-14-2006, 02:05 PM
Romney is a RHINO. He's a liberal.
RHINO? :hmmm:

Adept Havelock
05-14-2006, 02:07 PM
RHINO? :hmmm:
Republican Homosapien In Name Only. ROFL

CHIEF4EVER
05-14-2006, 02:16 PM
Republican Homosapien In Name Only. ROFL

ROFL

She meant RINO: Republican In Name Only.

Frankie
05-14-2006, 02:16 PM
So why doesn't Romney do the honorable thing and switch parties?

CHIEF4EVER
05-14-2006, 02:17 PM
So why doesn't Romney do the honorable thing and switch parties?

Don't confuse honorable with idiotic. :p

Frankie
05-14-2006, 02:28 PM
Don't confuse honorable with idiotic. :p
Look around you. The Repubs are in charge of this colossal mess. Now tell me if it's still idiotic?

CHIEF4EVER
05-14-2006, 02:32 PM
Look around you. The Repubs are in charge of this colossal mess. Now tell me if it's still idiotic?

It was a joke. Hence the 'tongue sticking out' smiley. Lighten up Francis.

Frankie
05-14-2006, 02:48 PM
It was a joke. Hence the 'tongue sticking out' smiley. Lighten up Francis.
Duly noted and lightened up.