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Loki
05-13-2006, 08:59 PM
Iran: Don't repeat nuclear mistake (http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/13/iran.eu.reut/index.html)

TEHRAN, Iran (Reuters) -- Iran's foreign minister told European states not to repeat the mistake of forcing an end to talks on Tehran's nuclear program by demanding it stop uranium enrichment, official news agency IRNA reported on Saturday.

Iran accuses the three main European negotiators -- Britain, Germany and France -- of unilaterally canceling a round of talks on Iran's nuclear row in August 2005 shortly after Iran resumed its nuclear research and development activities.

"The European countries should not repeat the 'August experience'," IRNA quoted Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki as saying at a meeting in Indonesia.

Mottaki did not elaborate further, but said Iran would cooperate fully with European states if they accepted Iran's right to have peaceful nuclear technology and enter a dialogue based on that.

On Friday, a draft EU report indicated that the European Union would insist on Monday that Iran suspend all uranium enrichment despite Tehran's demand that some be allowed for research goals.

Diplomats have said that Britain, France and Germany could meet on the margins of Monday's talks in Brussels to discuss a new package of incentives and sanctions designed to lure Iran back to the negotiating table.

The declaration drafted for EU foreign ministers meeting in Brussels on Monday gave no details of a package of incentives.

Mottaki told state television: "Any incentive not including Iran's right of having the nuclear technology...does not attract our people and government at all."

Iran's nuclear case has been referred to the U.N. Security Council as the United States and European countries accuse Iran of seeking nuclear weapons. Iran denies the charge, saying it wants nuclear energy for electricity.

Adding to concerns, U.N. inspectors have found traces of near bomb-grade enriched uranium on nuclear equipment in Iran, diplomats said on Friday.

Russia and China have resisted any U.N. Security Council resolution that could end in sanctions.

Loki
05-13-2006, 09:03 PM
what difference do all these talks make?
iran was told to halt enrichment, they continued enrichment.

what difference will sanctions make if they're imposed?
:shrug:

Adept Havelock
05-13-2006, 09:15 PM
None at all, quite likely. Which is why we should prepare for extending the MAD doctrine to Iran.

BucEyedPea
05-13-2006, 09:41 PM
Agreed!

go bowe
05-13-2006, 09:44 PM
what difference do all these talks make?
iran was told to halt enrichment, they continued enrichment.

what difference will sanctions make if they're imposed?
:shrug:i don't think sanctions are likely without the support or at least acquiescence of china and russia...

and even if they are imposed, i don't think they would be effective, since iran has a shitload of oil to sell...

BucEyedPea
05-13-2006, 09:51 PM
Sanctions rarely, if ever work. They just make the leaders dig their heels in more and allow their people to suffer. Sanctions wind up being symbolic.

Adept Havelock
05-13-2006, 10:19 PM
Sanctions rarely, if ever work. They just make the leaders dig their heels in more and allow their people to suffer. Sanctions wind up being symbolic.

And as the great philosopher-comedian Carlin suggested, let us leave Symbols to the Symbol-minded. ;)

CHIEF4EVER
05-13-2006, 10:51 PM
None at all, quite likely. Which is why we should prepare for extending the MAD doctrine to Iran.

Only 1 thing wrong with that idea. For MAD to work, both leaders have to be sane. Ahmadenijad not only don't give a rip about the UN or their "sanctions", he doesn't have a lot of respect for life in general. Add to that his blatant antisemitism and the fact that he is as crazy as a shitehouse rat, and you have a very dangerous situation on your hands.

Adept Havelock
05-13-2006, 10:58 PM
Only 1 thing wrong with that idea. For MAD to work, both leaders have to be sane. Ahmadenijad not only don't give a rip about the UN or their "sanctions", he doesn't have a lot of respect for life in general. Add to that his blatant antisemitism and the fact that he is as crazy as a shitehouse rat, and you have a very dangerous situation on your hands.
I agree, but if MAD could contain Stalin, Hitler (chemical, not nuclear WMD's), Mao, and Andropov (all of whom qualify as bughouse nuts IMO), it'll work for him too. He wants the Caliphite back (with himself at the head of it) too much to risk throwing himself and his nation away.

Wouldn't that be "crazy as a Shiite-house rat?" :p

CHIEF4EVER
05-13-2006, 11:05 PM
Wouldn't that be "crazy as a Shiite-house rat?" :p

I suppose......it's pretty much all the same Shiite to me. :p