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Tribal Warfare
05-22-2006, 03:19 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/14636732.htm

SURPRISES JUST PART OF CHIEFS MINICAMP

Edwards shakes things up

By ELIZABETH MERRILL

The Kansas City Star



The language was toned down to just above a G rating, the pace was fast, and as the first veteran minicamp under Herm Edwards came to a close Sunday, an unknown guy wearing a No. 79 jersey lined up with the No. 1 defense.
Say this about Kansas City’s new head football coach — he’s full of surprises.
Edwards promised changes before the Chiefs started their three-day, four-practice weekend minicamp, and changes they got. By Saturday, mild-mannered middle linebacker Kawika Mitchell was on a microphone telling Kansas City fans of a badder, better defense. Receivers and cornerbacks were debating whether a meaningless pass was inbounds or incomplete.
And Edwards made good on his plans to turn up the heat on the veterans and give rookies — even unknown, undrafted ones — a fair shot. That’s what happened Sunday afternoon when Steve Williams took reps with the No. 1 unit. Williams didn’t even have a contract a week ago and hadn’t finished the 2005 season at Northwest Missouri State because of injuries.
“That wasn’t by accident,” Edwards said. “That was one of the deals. He’s worked his tail off to the point that hey, we felt he could take reps with the first team. What I told guys around here is that everyone’s going to get an opportunity, and if you do things correctly, you’ll get a chance.
“It’s not a message. It’s just a fact. We’re asking you to do certain things, and if you can transfer them from the classroom to individually on the field … If you don’t do it, we’ll get guys who can do it. It’s that simple.”
Edwards said he wasn’t sending a message to defensive tackle Ryan Sims, whom Edwards said arrived at minicamp a little heavier. Sims, the sixth overall pick in the 2002 draft, showed progress in camp last summer before injuring a foot in the season opener against the New York Jets.
“I’m not worried about him,” Edwards said. “Some big guys in the offseason, they gain a couple of extra pounds. He’s a pro. He knows where he needs to be at, and I know where he needs to be at. And he’ll get down to where he needs to play again.”
Edwards took the Kansas City job in January, replacing Dick Vermeil, his old mentor and coach. Minutes into Edwards’ first news conference, it was clear the coaches are very different. Vermeil was big on offense and long practices; Edwards is a defensive guy who likes his workouts short, fast and sweet.
With no pads, no tackling, and several veterans sitting out because of nagging injuries, the biggest things Edwards wanted to establish over the weekend were tempo and attitude. In one quick sequence Sunday, cornerback Patrick Surtain picked off a Trent Green pass, and linebacker Kendrell Bell almost came up with another interception.
Edwards said again Sunday that the offense will run the ball more in 2006 — in part because it has one of the NFL’s hottest backs in Larry Johnson, but also because it will ultimately help the defense.
“He has a lot of passion,” Mitchell said. “He acts like he’s real young. He’s still running around and stuff. It’s good to have somebody like that. I didn’t mind Dick Vermeil, either. I’ve got a lot of love for Dick. But just to have that kind of characteristic in your head coach, that’s better for us.
“We just have to believe we’re not the stepbrothers on this team. Not to say that we are, but sometimes that happens, whenever you have a great offense like we have. You just have to get that mindset out and play defense.”
One noticeable change is the vocabulary spewed about in practice. Edwards — who told his players in New York that his priorities are God first, family, then football — isn’t big on potty mouths.
The keep-it-clean mentality has seeped onto the practice field in Kansas City, even with fiery defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham, who’s been known to provide a little four-letter motivation.
“They might say a bad word every once in a while, but for the most part, I don’t hear it,” Edwards said. “I just think they know my personality and they know I get excited and I get upset at times, and they know I don’t do it. The more you’re accustomed to being around guys like that, the more accustomed you are to watching what you say.”
■ CHIEFS NOTES : So much for Johnson’s untouchable image. He stuck around the longest after Saturday’s minicamp that was open to the fans, signing autographs for more than 30 minutes. … The veterans are off this week, and offseason workouts will start again in June. Edwards said the Chiefs will have 10 more practices before training camp.

greg63
05-22-2006, 06:23 AM
Herm seems to be good for moral.

ExtremeChief
05-22-2006, 06:45 AM
■ CHIEFS NOTES : So much for Johnson’s untouchable image. He stuck around the longest after Saturday’s minicamp that was open to the fans, signing autographs for more than 30 minutes. …


Bastard!!!! He doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself! :)

htismaqe
05-22-2006, 07:16 AM
Bastard!!!! He doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself! :)

I heard Holthus on the radio say that Johnson was the last guy to leave, and that he might just be the most fan-friendly player on the team...

ExtremeChief
05-22-2006, 07:18 AM
I heard Holthus on the radio say that Johnson was the last guy to leave, and that he might just be the most fan-friendly player on the team...


That's gotta be bs, he has character issues, likes to beat up helpless young women, and doesn't ****ing play for Penn State anymore!!!!

C-Mac
05-22-2006, 07:19 AM
Herm seems to be good for moral.
I know there are Herm haters out there but I have been a fan of his if for nothing else, for his humbleness, his energy and great motivational skills. I remember after watching his first head coach Jets press conference, I was ready to go strap a helmet on.

greg63
05-22-2006, 07:23 AM
I know there are Herm haters out there but I have been a fan of his if for nothing else, for his humbleness, his energy and great motivational skills. I remember after watching his first head coach Jets press conference, I was ready to go strap a helmet on.

I just hope it nets some much needed success in the 2006 season. :)

Bwana
05-22-2006, 07:25 AM
"Edwards said he wasn’t sending a message to defensive tackle Ryan Sims, whom Edwards said arrived at minicamp a little heavier."

Go figure..........The Big Round Goo Ball needs to do something this year or hit the road. :shake: I for one am tired of his lazy ass.

C-Mac
05-22-2006, 07:35 AM
"Edwards said he wasn’t sending a message to defensive tackle Ryan Sims, whom Edwards said arrived at minicamp a little heavier."

Go figure..........The Big Round Goo Ball needs to do something this year or hit the road. :shake: I for one am tired of his lazy ass.

Last year at the mini camp his belly size was double everyone elses then the next day Vermeil was saying how good of shape he was in.
:shrug:

ROYC75
05-22-2006, 08:20 AM
Last year at the mini camp his belly size was double everyone elses then the next day Vermeil was saying how good of shape he was in.
:shrug:


What ? You didn't hear the rest of the story ?

DV said there wasn't an ounce of fat out of place, it was pefectly rounded all the way around and down to his ass.

Demonpenz
05-22-2006, 10:21 AM
good to see him tinkering with the offense

Chiefs Pantalones
05-22-2006, 11:00 AM
I actually won't mind running the ball more.

In 2003, the Steelers defense wasn't as bad as the stats were. Cowher had a different mindset as to how to play offense. Anyone remember that?

They threw the ball all over the place, Amos Zeroue was the starter, and they just overall had a different offensive approach than usual. Then, when Maddox got hurt the next season and Rothlesburgerking came in, they toned the offense down, began to run the ball more, and that helped their defense. It caused the opposing offense to not get into any rythm because they controled the clock. They had the same defense in 03 as they did in 04, and kind of in 05...but they changed the offense, to help their defense, IMO, not just Rothlesberger.

KCChiefsFan88
05-22-2006, 11:15 AM
good to see him tinkering with the offense


Yeah because this offense, which only finished #1 in the NFL last year is in serious need of tinkering. Especially by a Head Coach who even admitted in his initial press conference back in January that he hasn't been associated with teams who have offenses who can consistently score 30 points a game :shake:

Also the KC Star needs to stop recycling the same pro-Herm lovey dovey propaganda. Every article sounds like re-packaged kiss-Herm's-ass garbage.

Douche Baggins
05-22-2006, 11:23 AM
Clearly, Larry Johnson was instructed by his PR firm to do this to improve his image. Larry Johnson is an ASSHOLE. Taco John told me so.

htismaqe
05-22-2006, 11:32 AM
Yeah because this offense, which only finished #1 in the NFL last year is in serious need of tinkering. Especially by a Head Coach who even admitted in his initial press conference back in January that he hasn't been associated with teams who have offenses who can consistently score 30 points a game :shake:

Also the KC Star needs to stop recycling the same pro-Herm lovey dovey propaganda. Every article sounds like re-packaged kiss-Herm's-ass garbage.

At least the Star doesn't have the market cornered on repetition. You seem to be pretty good at it.

Here's an idea - go apply. They could replace the pro-Herm lovey dovey propaganda with your whiney drivel about how bad this team sucks.

Kerberos
05-22-2006, 11:33 AM
I’ve got a lot of love for Dick.

:hmmm:

Kawika sounds like he misses the DICK

.

Larry Johnson is an ASSHOLE. Taco John told me so.


Well Sh!t it's gotta be true then!

:spock:


.

Douche Baggins
05-22-2006, 11:36 AM
Herm simply has not had any major ****ups as a coach just yet. He's done a great job this offseason thus far. I am sure Whitlock will roast him as soon as he does something stupid in the regular season.

As far as the offense, change is not always for the bad. Anything we can do to put less pressure on the defense is a good thing. We barely won at a 50 percent clip during the DV era. I could give a shit about scoring averages. Winning is the only thing that matters.

Psyko Tek
05-22-2006, 12:16 PM
I could give a shit about scoring averages. Winning is the only thing that matters.

the storm trooper is right

and the BEST defense is keeping the others teams offense on the bench

but that only works if you can get stops after our O scores

Coogs
05-22-2006, 12:31 PM
Yeah because this offense, which only finished #1 in the NFL last year is in serious need of tinkering. Especially by a Head Coach who even admitted in his initial press conference back in January that he hasn't been associated with teams who have offenses who can consistently score 30 points a game :shake:

He probably hasn't been associated with to many defenses that could consistantly give up 30 points a game either. You have to start fixing the defense somewhere, and leaving them standing on the sideline might be the best place to start.

Mr. Laz
05-22-2006, 12:33 PM
He probably hasn't been associated with to many defenses that could consistantly give up 30 points a game either. You have to start fixing the defense somewhere, and leaving them standing on the sideline might be the best place to start.

marty thought so too...


but then pretty the offense starting going 3 and out so fast that the defense got their worn out.


first downs matter .... not whether you run or pass.

htismaqe
05-22-2006, 12:34 PM
marty thought so too...


but then pretty the offense starting going 3 and out so fast that the defense got their worn out.


first downs matter .... not whether you run or pass.

Yes, very true...

Coogs
05-22-2006, 12:43 PM
first downs matter .... not whether you run or pass.

I agree. But I also think utilization of the run to set up the play-action pass will be a huge benefit for Gonzo. Probably our WR's too. I have always felt like the best offense we have is the one that went into Baltimore a couple of years back in the primetime game where we handed Ray Lewis his azz by running the ball down his throat. I love that smashmouth style of ball, and really believe that is what Herm has in mind instead of conservative to no end.

DaMook
05-22-2006, 12:59 PM
Sims looks a little chunky, from the open practice:

Douche Baggins
05-22-2006, 01:12 PM
Sims is a bust.

wazu
05-22-2006, 01:15 PM
Sims looks a little chunky, from the open practice:

Sims needs a "fat" nickname. Maybe we shoud just start calling him "The Blob" or "The Bulb" (for his lightbulb-shaped appearance).

Chiefs Pantalones
05-22-2006, 01:16 PM
When will they finally cut him?

htismaqe
05-22-2006, 01:25 PM
When will they finally cut him?

I doubt they ever do. He'll likely play out his contract, considering how low his base is...

Dunit35
05-22-2006, 01:32 PM
I was shocked at what LJ did. He started signing around us and just kept going around the stadium.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-22-2006, 01:32 PM
I doubt they ever do. He'll likely play out his contract, considering how low his base is...

That's sad. With our luck, when he finally leaves KC he'll be great somewhere else, lol.

Hopefully, he'll play better this year...

Reaper16
05-22-2006, 02:05 PM
Steve Williams taking reps w/ the first team? Nice. Go Bearcats.

Mr. Laz
05-22-2006, 02:08 PM
I agree. But I also think utilization of the run to set up the play-action pass will be a huge benefit for Gonzo. Probably our WR's too. I have always felt like the best offense we have is the one that went into Baltimore a couple of years back in the primetime game where we handed Ray Lewis his azz by running the ball down his throat. I love that smashmouth style of ball, and really believe that is what Herm has in mind instead of conservative to no end.
let's all hope



that smashmouth was under Al Saunders btw

FAX
05-22-2006, 02:09 PM
I agree. But I also think utilization of the run to set up the play-action pass will be a huge benefit for Gonzo. Probably our WR's too. I have always felt like the best offense we have is the one that went into Baltimore a couple of years back in the primetime game where we handed Ray Lewis his azz by running the ball down his throat. I love that smashmouth style of ball, and really believe that is what Herm has in mind instead of conservative to no end.

From your post to the football gods' ears, Mr. Coogs.

FAX

htismaqe
05-22-2006, 02:12 PM
let's all hope



that smashmouth was under Al Saunders btw

Hope is really all we have.

Whether you're a pessimist or an optimist, you have to admit that the "signs" up to this point aren't encouraging.

Mr. Laz
05-22-2006, 02:23 PM
Hope is really all we have.

Whether you're a pessimist or an optimist, you have to admit that the "signs" up to this point aren't encouraging.

i have no idea about herman at this point


he seems like a big goof ... remarkedly similiar to a mouthy-writing-checks-my-butt-can't-cash guy like gunther.... but, he has enjoyed some success at this level in the nfl, so maybe he can cash it. :shrug:


positives

1. new defensive position coaches :clap:
2. defensive head coach to hold gunther's hand
3. pretty solid draft
4. moving sims to 2nd string for a rookie starter(even briefly) may indicate a true competition situation in this year's camp. :)

negatives

1. pretty much "stood pat" this offseason



*crossing fingers*

htismaqe
05-22-2006, 02:28 PM
i have no idea about herman at this point


he seems like a big goof ... remarkedly similiar to a mouthy-writing-checks-my-butt-can't-cash guy like gunther.... but, he has enjoyed some success at this level in the nfl, so maybe he can cash it. :shrug:


positives

1. new defensive position coaches :clap:
2. defensive head coach to hold gunther's hand
3. pretty solid draft

negatives

1. pretty much "stood pat" this offseason



*crossing fingers*

If I'm being forced to be 100% objective or as close to that as I could possibly be, I'd go:

positives
- new defensive position coaches (although i'm still pissed that Gunther is using this as an excuse)
- Herm holding hands + hopefully incorporating more zone defense
- solid draft
- I still like what he's saying about giving LJ the rock and not being cute

negatives
- still have Gunther
- history suggests Edwards is alot like Marty in more ways than just a few
- I'm still apprehensive about what he's saying about giving LJ the rock and not being cute

Coogs
05-22-2006, 02:44 PM
that smashmouth was under Al Saunders btw

Yeah, I know. I wish he would have utilized it way more than he did.

KCChiefsFan88
05-22-2006, 03:20 PM
Sims looks a little chunky, from the open practice:


Looks like Sims has been following the Whitlock diet

htismaqe
05-22-2006, 03:28 PM
Looks like Sims has been following the Whitlock diet

He doesn't look any different than he did last year...

Dr. Facebook Fever
05-22-2006, 03:35 PM
"I’ve got a lot of love for Dick."
Kawika Mitchell ladies and gentlemen...

stevieray
05-22-2006, 04:33 PM
He doesn't look any different than he did last year...

Neither does Siavii.

Logical
05-22-2006, 04:41 PM
If I'm being forced to be 100% objective or as close to that as I could possibly be, I'd go:

positives
- new defensive position coaches (although i'm still pissed that Gunther is using this as an excuse)
- Herm holding hands + hopefully incorporating more zone defense
- solid draft
- I still like what he's saying about giving LJ the rock and not being cute

negatives
- still have Gunther
- history suggests Edwards is alot like Marty in more ways than just a few
- I'm still apprehensive about what he's saying about giving LJ the rock and not being cute

I agree with all that. I would add one more negative, releasing our only solid #2 CB and not having done a thing about it to this point in time.

It takes a lot of faith to believe any of the people who have never started are going to step up and play a solid #2 CB this season.

htismaqe
05-22-2006, 06:19 PM
I agree with all that. I would add one more negative, releasing our only solid #2 CB and not having done a thing about it to this point in time.

It takes a lot of faith to believe any of the people who have never started are going to step up and play a solid #2 CB this season.

Well, my best friend is a Bronco fan and he's told me all along that, WHEN HEALTHY, Walls is every bit as good as Warfield. He was the starter in Denver, but for whatever reason he got on Shanny's bad side. Once that happens, it really doesn't matter how you play.