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Rain Man
05-22-2006, 12:09 PM
I just bought a copy of "The Military Balance", which is published by the International Institute of Strategic Studies. This book contains the entire known inventory of every military in the world, including troops, equipment, planes, etc. It's probably the best reference book in the history of the world.

Poll coming.

As a bonus question, rank the above countries from 1st through 13th in terms of the number of Main Battle Tanks they own. I'll pass along hints about the number that each guesser gets right.

trndobrd
05-22-2006, 12:37 PM
Modern MBTs or are you including rebuilt Shermans and T-34s?

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 12:40 PM
It appears that they go back to the T-54/M-47 era, but not older.

CosmicPal
05-22-2006, 12:45 PM
Tunisia
Iran
Bulgaria
Uraguay
Uganda
Kenya
Croatia
Togo
Bangladesh
Canada
Netherlands
New Zealand (doesn't have any)

HC_Chief
05-22-2006, 12:47 PM
lol T-54s

To the uninitiated, sheer quantity may shock into fearful submission; as the case of Gulf War I. People lamented and wailed the vast armies and tank forces available to Sodamn Insane. heh, those people soon learned that quality > quantity.

I'll take a small/medium force of M1s, Challengers, LeClercs, or Leopards over a vast army of T-72s & T-80s ANY day! :D

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 12:50 PM
Tunisia
Iran
Bulgaria
Uraguay
Uganda
Kenya
Croatia
Togo
Bangladesh
Canada
Netherlands
New Zealand (doesn't have any)

You have placed 1 country in the proper ranking (and you're missing Norway, by the way). We're off to a nice start.

CosmicPal
05-22-2006, 12:52 PM
You have placed 1 country in the proper ranking (and you're missing Norway, by the way). We're off to a nice start.

Pffft.

OK..which one?

rad
05-22-2006, 12:54 PM
Iran
Kenya
Tunisia

CosmicPal
05-22-2006, 12:57 PM
Tunisia
Iran
Bulgaria
Uraguay
Uganda
Kenya
Croatia
Togo
Bangladesh
Netherlands
Canada
New Zealand (doesn't have any)

OK...new list.

Kenya
Iran
Uganda
Uruguay
Croatia
Tunisia
Bulgaria
Togo
Bangladesh
Norway
Canada
Netherlands
New Zealand

patteeu
05-22-2006, 01:04 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Uganda

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:06 PM
OK...new list.

Kenya
Iran
Uganda
Uruguay
Croatia
Tunisia
Bulgaria
Togo
Bangladesh
Norway
Canada
Netherlands
New Zealand

This time, you placed 1 unit correctly. Since we have now had two correct guesses, I will reveal that New Zealand is indeed ranked 13th. The nation has no Main Battle Tanks, which I found kind of surprising.

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:08 PM
New rules: you have to rank all 13, and I will tell you how many are correct. Once a nation has been correctly guessed twice, I'll reveal the nation and its rank.

Dartgod
05-22-2006, 01:09 PM
I'll take a stab...

Bulgaria
Croatia
Iran
Uganda
Canada
Kenya
Tunisia
Uruguay
Netherlands
Norway
Togo
Bangladesh
New Zealand

patteeu
05-22-2006, 01:11 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
Bangladesh
Norway
New Zealand

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:12 PM
I'll take a stab...

Bulgaria
Croatia
Iran
Uganda
Canada
Kenya
Tunisia
Uruguay
Netherlands
Norway
Togo
Bangladesh
New Zealand

I am pleased to say that you got 1 correct - New Zealand.

Dartgod
05-22-2006, 01:13 PM
I am pleased to say that you got 1 correct - New Zealand.
Tied for first. YES!!!

Count Zarth
05-22-2006, 01:13 PM
This thread doesn't have a very large target demographic.

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:13 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
Bangladesh
Norway
New Zealand

Ooh, nice start. We're up to three - New Zealand and two others.

rad
05-22-2006, 01:14 PM
Iran
Kenya
Tunisia
Uraguay
Uganda
Croatia
Bangladesh
Togo
Canada
Bulgaria
Norway
Netherlands
New Zealand

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:15 PM
This thread doesn't have a very large target demographic.

Niche threads can be valuable, too. And if you someday find yourself leading a democracy protest in Togo, you'll wish you had participated.

patteeu
05-22-2006, 01:18 PM
Norway
Bulgaria
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
Bangladesh
Iran
New Zealand

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:19 PM
Iran
Kenya
Tunisia
Uraguay
Uganda
Croatia
Bangladesh
Togo
Canada
Bulgaria
Norway
Netherlands
New Zealand

Two correct, and I can now report that we've got the #1 and #13 spots locked in.

You've got to love Iran's lineup. It's a maintenance nightmare. They've got Soviet, British, American, and I think Chinese and native Iranian tanks across several eras.

540 T-54/55 and PRC-59,
75 T-62,
480 T-72,
100 Chieftain Mk 3/5,
168 M-47/48,
150 M-60A1,
approx. 100 Zulfiqar

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:21 PM
Norway
Bulgaria
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
Bangladesh
Iran
New Zealand

Uh-oh. Back down to two.

patteeu
05-22-2006, 01:22 PM
Iran
Norway
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
Bangladesh
Bulgaria
New Zealand

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:25 PM
Still at two with this one, but I should have revealed that two correct picks have been made for Bulgaria at the #2 spot.

Bulgaria has had consistent buying patterns.

1042 T-55
432 T-72

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:26 PM
Iran
Norway
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
Bangladesh
Bulgaria
New Zealand


Still at two. I hope you're mapping out the math.

patteeu
05-22-2006, 01:29 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Norway
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
Bangladesh
New Zealand

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:31 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Norway
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
Bangladesh
New Zealand

Holding steady at 3.

patteeu
05-22-2006, 01:33 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Norway
Bangladesh
Togo
New Zealand

rad
05-22-2006, 01:35 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Togo
Tunisia
Kenya
Croatia
Uganda
Norway
Canada
Netherlands
Bangladesh
Uraguay
NZ

banyon
05-22-2006, 01:36 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Canada
Netherlands
Uganda
Uruguay
Norway
Croatia
Tunisia
Kenya
Bangladesh
Togo
New Zealand

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:38 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Norway
Bangladesh
Togo
New Zealand

Bumped up to 4.

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:39 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Togo
Tunisia
Kenya
Croatia
Uganda
Norway
Canada
Netherlands
Bangladesh
Uraguay
NZ

Also at 4.

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:41 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Canada
Netherlands
Uganda
Uruguay
Norway
Croatia
Tunisia
Kenya
Bangladesh
Togo
New Zealand


Ooh. Up to 7 in a quantum leap, and I can now reveal that Togo is indeed #12.

Don't mess with Togo and their 2 T-54/55 tanks.

patteeu
05-22-2006, 01:45 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Canada
Netherlands
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Kenya
Norway
Uruguay
Bangladesh
Togo
New Zealand

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:47 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Canada
Netherlands
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Kenya
Norway
Uruguay
Bangladesh
Togo
New Zealand

Back down to 5, but you've nailed down the loveable Dutch. Netherlands is indeed ranked #4, with what I think are German purchases.

25 Leopard 1
258 Leopard 2

HC_Chief
05-22-2006, 01:49 PM
Back down to 5, but you've nailed down the loveable Dutch. Netherlands is indeed ranked #4, with what I think are German purchases.

25 Leopard 1
258 Leopard 2

Wow.... I'm surprised The Netherlands has that large an armored force!

Solid force at that... the Leopard is a mightly MBT

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:51 PM
Wow.... I'm surprised The Netherlands has that large an armored force!

Solid force at that... the Leopard is a mightly MBT

I was a bit surprised, too, given their location. Their only even matchup would probably be Belgium.

ChiefaRoo
05-22-2006, 01:51 PM
Bulgaria
Iran
Norway

Logical
05-22-2006, 01:53 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Norway
Netherlands
Canada
Tunisia
Uganda
Croatia
Uruguay
Bangladesh
Kenya
Togo
New Zealand

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:53 PM
Per the rules, you must rank all 13.

patteeu
05-22-2006, 01:55 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Bangladesh
Netherlands
Canada
Uruguay
Norway
Croatia
Tunisia
Kenya
Uganda
Togo
New Zealand


Obviously, Bangladesh deserves more credit than I was giving them.

patteeu
05-22-2006, 01:56 PM
Wow.... I'm surprised The Netherlands has that large an armored force!

Solid force at that... the Leopard is a mightly MBT

They were probably preparing to do their part in the big NATO/Warsaw Pact tank battles in the Fulda Gap.

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:57 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Norway
Netherlands
Canada
Tunisia
Uganda
Croatia
Uruguay
Bangladesh
Kenya
Togo
New Zealand

Back up to 6, and we have now slotted Uganda in the #7 spot, with many more tanks than I would've expected. Old Soviet tanks must be sweltering in the jungle.

Uganda - 152 T-54/T-55

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 01:59 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Bangladesh
Netherlands
Canada
Uruguay
Norway
Croatia
Tunisia
Kenya
Uganda
Togo
New Zealand


Obviously, Bangladesh deserves more credit than I was giving them.

Back up to 7, but Bangladesh was not one of them.

We now have Tunisia in the #9 spot and Kenya in the #10 spot.

Tunisia 54 M-60A3 and 30 M-60A1 (Always buy American)

Kenya 78 Vicker Mk 3 (Always buy American unless you're a former British colony)

John_Wayne
05-22-2006, 02:00 PM
Geeeeeeeeeesh. This could take forever. I just want the answer. I like this thread Rainman. I fit into this niche.

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 02:05 PM
Geeeeeeeeeesh. This could take forever. I just want the answer. I like this thread Rainman. I fit into this niche.

They almost have it nailed down. Only five more.

After this, maybe I'll look at who has the most submarines. I love these types of stats.

patteeu
05-22-2006, 02:08 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Croatia
Netherlands
Norway
Canada
Uganda
Bangladesh
Tunisia
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

John_Wayne
05-22-2006, 02:08 PM
My guess was:
Iran
Croatia
Uganda

I chose Iran for obvious reasons. I picked the other two only because those are troubled nations that have been in a civil war recently.

rad
05-22-2006, 02:10 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Norway
Neth.
Croatia
Bang.
Uganda
Canada
Tun.
Ken.
Urag.
Togo
NZ

Logical
05-22-2006, 02:11 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Croatia
Netherlands
Canada
Norway
Uganda
Uruguay
Tunisia
Kenya
Bandladesh
Togo
New Zealand

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 02:12 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Croatia
Netherlands
Norway
Canada
Uganda
Bangladesh
Tunisia
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

Up to 10, and I'll bet you finish it off within two more guesses.

Croatia is indeed #3, and Uruguay is indeed #11

Croatia must have got all of the tanks when Yugoslavia broke up: 222 T-55, 66 M-84, 3 T-72M (What's an M-84?)

Uruguay must not be expecting any trouble: 15 T-55

rad
05-22-2006, 02:13 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Croatia
Netherlands
Canada
Norway
Uganda
Uruguay
Tunisia
Kenya
Togo
New Zealand

Hey Vlad, you left out Bangladesh.

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 02:15 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Croatia
Netherlands
Canada
Norway
Uganda
Uruguay
Tunisia
Kenya
Bandladesh
Togo
New Zealand

10. We're almost there.

Logical
05-22-2006, 02:16 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Croatia
Netherlands
Canada
Norway
Uganda
Bandladesh
Tunisia
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 02:16 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Norway
Neth.
Croatia
Bang.
Uganda
Canada
Tun.
Ken.
Urag.
Togo
NZ

10. I bet the next guess wins it.

patteeu
05-22-2006, 02:18 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Croatia
Netherlands
Norway
Bangladesh
Uganda
Canada
Tunisia
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 02:18 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Croatia
Netherlands
Canada
Norway
Uganda
Bandladesh
Tunisia
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

11. Getting warmer...Getting warmer.

Norway is #6 with 165 Leopard tanks.

rad
05-22-2006, 02:18 PM
Iran
Bulg
Cro.
Neth.
Can.
Nor.
Ugan.
Bang.
Tun.
Ken.
Urag.
Togo
NZ

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 02:19 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Croatia
Netherlands
Norway
Bangladesh
Uganda
Canada
Tunisia
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

10, and we're playing musical chairs with the last spots.

patteeu
05-22-2006, 02:20 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Croatia
Netherlands
Bangladesh
Norway
Uganda
Canada
Tunisia
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 02:20 PM
Iran
Bulg
Cro.
Neth.
Can.
Nor.
Ugan.
Bang.
Tun.
Ken.
Urag.
Togo
NZ

11. We're spinning, spinning, spinning!

rad
05-22-2006, 02:21 PM
Iran
bulg
cro
neth
bang
nor
ugand
can
tun
ken
urag
togo
nz

Logical
05-22-2006, 02:23 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Croatia
Netherlands
Bangladesh
Norway
Uganda
Canada
Tunisia
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 02:24 PM
Iran
Bulgaria
Croatia
Netherlands
Bangladesh
Norway
Uganda
Canada
Tunisia
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

Bangladesh is indeed rated #5, with 80 PRC Type 59/69 and 100 T-54/55s. (Are the PRCs Chinese? I presume so.)

Canada actually has fewer tanks than Uganda and Bangladesh, though I'd wager on Canada in fight between the three of them. Canada has 114 Leopard C2 tanks. (Canada buys German? How odd.)

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 02:25 PM
Here's the full list. I find the numbers to be interesting, as well as the places where the tanks have been bought.

Iran 540 T-54/55 and PRC-59, 75 T-62, 480 T-72, 100 Chieftain Mk 3/5, 168 M-47/48, 150 M-60A1, approx. 100 Zulfiqar
Bulgaria 1042 T-55 and 432 T-72
Croatia 222 T-55, 66 M-84, 3 T-72M
Netherlands 25 Leopard 1 and 258 Leopard 2
Bangladesh 80 PRC Type 59/69 and 100 T-54/55
Norway 165 Leopard
Uganda 152 T-54/T-55
Canada 114 Leopard C2
Tunisia 54 M-60A3 and 30 M-60A1
Kenya 78 Vicker Mk 3
Uruguay 15 T-55
Togo 2 T-54/55
New Zealand None

rad
05-22-2006, 02:26 PM
Dang! Got me by 1 min!

Logical
05-22-2006, 02:27 PM
..Canada has 114 Leopard C2 tanks. (Canada buys German? How odd.)

I think Leopards are considered slightly better and slightly less expensive, however I would think shipping costs would overcome the difference. Interesting.

Logical
05-22-2006, 02:28 PM
Thanks Kevin that was amusing

rad
05-22-2006, 02:29 PM
I think it's odd that Canada has 113 more tanks than they actually need......

patteeu
05-22-2006, 02:30 PM
Here's the full list. I find the numbers to be interesting, as well as the places where the tanks have been bought.

Iran 540 T-54/55 and PRC-59, 75 T-62, 480 T-72, 100 Chieftain Mk 3/5, 168 M-47/48, 150 M-60A1, approx. 100 Zulfiqar
Bulgaria 1042 T-55 and 432 T-72
Croatia 222 T-55, 66 M-84, 3 T-72M
Netherlands 25 Leopard 1 and 258 Leopard 2
Bangladesh 80 PRC Type 59/69 and 100 T-54/55
Norway 165 Leopard
Uganda 152 T-54/T-55
Canada 114 Leopard C2
Tunisia 54 M-60A3 and 30 M-60A1
Kenya 78 Vicker Mk 3
Uruguay 15 T-55
Togo 2 T-54/55
New Zealand None

Bangladesh was definitely further up the list than I expected. It looks to me like the foreign sales guys at General Dynamics need to get on the ball.

John_Wayne
05-22-2006, 02:30 PM
OK. Now someone needs to answer the next obvious question.

Why?

cdcox
05-22-2006, 02:30 PM
I think it's odd that Canada has 113 more tanks than they actually need......

I'll bet they are more for riot control than defending their own borders.

patteeu
05-22-2006, 02:31 PM
Thanks for the thread, Rain Man. Good job, rad and Vlad.

JBucc
05-22-2006, 02:32 PM
Cool. Well I'm off to attack New Zealand now.

banyon
05-22-2006, 02:33 PM
Thanks for the thread, Rain Man. Good job, rad and Vlad.

hey, where's my good job? :shrug:

I bumped up the count from 4 to 7 in one try. :sulk:

rad
05-22-2006, 02:33 PM
Yeah that was fun , good thread RM

rad
05-22-2006, 02:37 PM
hey, where's my good job? :shrug:

I bumped up the count from 4 to 7 in one try. :sulk:

Oh yeah that's right, you did!

What happened towards the end, you kinda slacked off.

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 02:43 PM
Holy Moses. Israel has 3,090 Main Battle Tanks:

300 M-60/A1
600 M-60/A3
186 Magach 7 (Native Israeli?)
114 Ti 67 (T-54/55)
100 T-62
1,790 Merkava I/II/III/IV

I'm betting they didn't pay for those Soviet tanks.

cdcox
05-22-2006, 02:45 PM
Holy Moses. Israel has 3,090 Main Battle Tanks:

300 M-60/A1
600 M-60/A3
186 Magach 7 (Native Israeli?)
114 Ti 67 (T-54/55)
100 T-62
1,790 Merkava I/II/III/IV

I'm betting they didn't pay for those Soviet tanks.


This might be of interest:

http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/index.asp

rad
05-22-2006, 02:47 PM
Holy Moses. Israel has 3,090 Main Battle Tanks:

300 M-60/A1
600 M-60/A3
186 Magach 7 (Native Israeli?)
114 Ti 67 (T-54/55)
100 T-62
1,790 Merkava I/II/III/IV

I'm betting they didn't pay for those Soviet tanks.


You're probably right.

cdcox
05-22-2006, 02:48 PM
Huh, Magach are not listed on the site I gave, but they are a variant of the M60.

Iowanian
05-22-2006, 02:49 PM
I'll wager less than half of Iran's mbt's are actually field ready.

Logical
05-22-2006, 02:49 PM
The US has over 8800 M1A1/M1A2 Abrahams. I wonder where we store all those monsters.

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 02:51 PM
Huh, Magach are not listed on the site I gave, but they are a variant of the M60.

Yeah, you gotta figure that they're souped-up versions of some American tank.

I'm a bit surprised that they don't have any Abrams tanks. Do we not sell those? I figured that if Israel has our F-15s, they'd probably have our top tanks too.

Donger
05-22-2006, 02:53 PM
Yeah, you gotta figure that they're souped-up versions of some American tank.

I'm a bit surprised that they don't have any Abrams tanks. Do we not sell those? I figured that if Israel has our F-15s, they'd probably have our top tanks too.

Egypt, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia all use the M1. Australia too, I think.

rad
05-22-2006, 02:53 PM
The US has over 8800 M1A1/M1A2 Abrahams. I wonder where we store all those monsters.

They're probably not all here. We have military all over the world.

Count Zarth
05-22-2006, 02:56 PM
If I was filthy rich I'd buy a tank. I'd have a huge plot of land with just trees and rocks and stuff. Every other weekend (to keep the cost of shells down) I'd go out and and blow stuff up.

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 03:09 PM
Egypt, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia all use the M1. Australia too, I think.

That makes it even more surprising. My book confirms that the first three have M1s in hand or on order, though Australia is using Leopards. (The book is based on last year's statistics, though, so Australia could have recently bought some.)

banyon
05-22-2006, 03:20 PM
Oh yeah that's right, you did!

What happened towards the end, you kinda slacked off.

had to actually do my job for a while :cuss:

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 03:22 PM
The US has over 8800 M1A1/M1A2 Abrahams. I wonder where we store all those monsters.

Just curious, but where did you get that figure? My book shows 8,023. (I could have some listed under other acronyms, perhaps, if they're being used for other duties besides MBT.)

Logical
05-22-2006, 04:56 PM
Just curious, but where did you get that figure? My book shows 8,023. (I could have some listed under other acronyms, perhaps, if they're being used for other duties besides MBT.)
Off a website, actually now that I think about it, it said produced over 8800. We probably have lost some in battle and decommissioned some others or sold them to FMS countries. So your number is probably correct.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m1.htm

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 05:01 PM
Off a website, actually now that I think about it, it said produced over 8800. We probably have lost some in battle and decommissioned some others or sold them to FMS countries. So your number is probably correct.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m1.htm

Ah, yes. 533 have been sold to Kuwait and the Saudis, which would get us up to almost 8,600. And then you can figure that maybe a couple hundred could've been lost or attritioned, or maybe been built in the past year.

Egypt has 650 on order. That seems like a lot.

I've always wondered if we imbed those things with a secret kill switch, so if anything ever happened, we could immobilize them quickly.

John_Wayne
05-22-2006, 05:07 PM
Ah, yes. 533 have been sold to Kuwait and the Saudis, which would get us up to almost 8,600. And then you can figure that maybe a couple hundred could've been lost or attritioned, or maybe been built in the past year.

Egypt has 650 on order. That seems like a lot.

I've always wondered if we imbed those things with a secret kill switch, so if anything ever happened, we could immobilize them quickly. Right. The ones we sell to "questionable" countries are made out of paper mache. I have it on good authority.

Logical
05-22-2006, 05:11 PM
Ah, yes. 533 have been sold to Kuwait and the Saudis, which would get us up to almost 8,600. And then you can figure that maybe a couple hundred could've been lost or attritioned, or maybe been built in the past year.

Egypt has 650 on order. That seems like a lot.

I've always wondered if we imbed those things with a secret kill switch, so if anything ever happened, we could immobilize them quickly.

I hope so, because we are selling Egypt a far superior tank than what we have sold Israel.

Adept Havelock
05-22-2006, 05:16 PM
I've always wondered if we imbed those things with a secret kill switch, so if anything ever happened, we could immobilize them quickly.Something along those lines wouldn't surprise me too much. I doubt it's an outright kill switch, but it's probably considerably less sophisticated than the US models.

The old USSR had a similar trick. Every piece of equipment that was going to be used and sold for export had 2 models made. The USSR one, and the "monkey-model" as they termed it. For instance, the BMP-1 when first deployed to Pact allies and the ME nations had no turret stabilization, no automatic loader for the 73 mm cannon, minimal NBC protection, and a very basic, if any, IR sensor suite.

Because of the USSR's habit of deploying new material to the internal districts first, and keeping it under wraps, these "monkey-models" could be sold as the latest technology available. It had the added benefit of giving the West a dramatic mis-assessment of the capability of capture equipment passed on by the Israelis, among others.

Rain Man
05-22-2006, 05:17 PM
Right. The ones we sell to "questionable" countries are made out of paper mache. I have it on good authority.

I knew it!


When I was a kid, I lusted after a couple of ads in the backs of my comic books. There was the "real, working submarine" (similar ad below) and there was the battle tank that really fired artillery. In my day, they were both priced in the $20 range and so were far beyond my means, but I envisioned them as being actual, working submarines and tanks and I wanted them desperately. I actually assumed that I would be able to use the submarine underwater, which probably wouldn't have been a good idea since I suspect that was nothing but a cardboard box.

Those ads were very misleading to a typical six year-old.

http://freakcomics.com/images/posts/comicads/sub_sm.jpg

Adept Havelock
05-22-2006, 05:17 PM
I hope so, because we are selling Egypt a far superior tank than what we have sold Israel.

I think the Merkeva 3 could hold it's own against an Abrams. Interesting theory of design. They put the engine in the front of the tank, IIRC.

I'm fairly certain the Israeli tank crews would be superior.

tommykat
05-22-2006, 07:50 PM
Should have read what you asked without responding, however China has the best army. Horses are their way, and will rule with that. Beating all of the above.

Logical
05-22-2006, 08:06 PM
I think the Merkeva 3 could hold it's own against an Abrams. Interesting theory of design. They put the engine in the front of the tank, IIRC.

I'm fairly certain the Israeli tank crews would be superior.Agree on their crews, they probably have the best trained military in the world.

Iowanian
05-22-2006, 08:06 PM
This is the last contract I signed with China, providing them with the "latest in American Construction Technology"...that they're using to build 3 Gorges Dam...Some assemby required. Since they've had such overwhelming success, I ponder giving one to my nephews.

http://www.vintageprojects.com/kids/backhoe-plans.html

I'll bet the tanks we sell to questionable allies, are part of the same kit as the Boyscouts Boxcar derby.

patteeu
05-22-2006, 08:56 PM
hey, where's my good job? :shrug:

I bumped up the count from 4 to 7 in one try. :sulk:

Good job banyon. I thought you got bored and wandered off.

Psyko Tek
05-22-2006, 10:10 PM
ATARI!!!

http://okgames.altervista.org/html/modules/mydownloads/images/shots/battlezone.jpg