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05-23-2006, 01:13 AM
Dean: Chiefs defense believes it can be the NFL's best unit (http://cjonline.com/stories/052306/chi_dean.shtml)

By Rick Dean
The Capital-Journal
Published Tuesday, May 23, 2006

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- This was a pep rally, pure and simple, and you never want to put much credence on anything said at a pep rally.

Keeping that in mind, consider the following exhortations Chiefs linebacker Kawika Mitchell offered up to an estimated 14,000 fans following Saturday's open-to-the public mini-camp workout at Arrowhead Stadium.

"We have the best defensive lineman in the league," Mitchell announced when it was his turn to address the true believers who shouted back their approval.

"We have the best linebackers in the league," Mitchell continued as the crowd roared again, not wanting to stop a guy on a roll.

"We have the best defensive backs in the league, and we need to start believing that," Mitchell concluded as the crowd erupted, caught up in the rapture.

Not everyone, of course, was so moved. "You also had the NFL's third-from-worst pass defense in 2005 -- two spots better than your dead-last ranking in '04,' " I heard a voice mutter, realizing only later that it was my own.

Asked some 24 hours later about his facts-not-in-evidence pronouncements, an unabashed Mitchell wasn't backing down.

"I feel comfortable enough to say I feel that way, and I never talk about something unless I believe it 100 percent," said the soft-spoken middle linebacker. "The only way to change people's mind is for us to believe it too.

"We really need a different attitude. We have to believe we're not step-brothers on this team. That can happen sometimes when you have a great offense."

Self-improvement specialists tell us that changing the mindset of a downtrodden group, such as the Kansas City defense has been in the past four years, is a first step toward self respect. We wait eagerly the day when the Royals began talking like Mitchell.

Making his new defenders believe in their impending turnaround is the first step in coach Herm Edwards' bid to rebuild the Kansas City defense. Making Mitchell one of his first believers is a key step in the process.

The middle linebacker, you see, plays a key role in the Cover Two defense Edwards and Gunther Cunningham will use heavily.

With two safeties patroling deep halves of the field, the middle linebacker often is required to make 20 to 25-yard drops into the deep middle areas in front of the safeties. Edwards thinks he has players capable of doing that in his current linebacking corps.

"I think we have good, athletic linebackers here -- big guys who can run. That's the first thing that drew my attention when I got here," Edwards said. "We're not asking them to do anything they can't do, just things they're not used to doing."

One staple of Cover Two for defensive backs and linebackers alike is a hands-on approach that disrupts a receiver's planned route early in the play. Another is keeping all the action in front of the defense so that everyone can see and react to a play.

"If you can get your hands on the receivers, that slows them down and gives a rusher another step to the quarterback," Edwards said. "And if the quarterback has to pump the ball, you've got a better chance of knocking him down."

Coupled with any kind of a pass rush, a defense playing Cover Two with all components contributing stands a better chance of eliminating the big-play vertical routes and holding short routes to only short gains.

Of course, the last time the Chiefs had all three defensive components working at once was -- what, 1997?

Ah, but there's that negative thinking again, the skepticism that has no place in the mindset of this new Chiefs defense.

"We improved last year, though you couldn't always see that in the numbers," said a defiant Mitchell. "We believe in what we have, and we don't care what anybody else thinks."

Count Zarth
05-23-2006, 01:16 AM
Gunther has brainwashed Mitchell.

Tribal Warfare
05-23-2006, 01:24 AM
:whackit:

Well it looks like their trying to serve dog shit, and tell us it's filet Minon.

I'll have to see it to believe it

Rausch
05-23-2006, 01:24 AM
We'll see just how good this defense is once we land in Denver...

KCChiefsMan
05-23-2006, 02:36 AM
eh, confidence doesn't hurt anyone...now they really need to back their talk up tho

chiefsfaninNC
05-23-2006, 05:04 AM
Stop talking about it and get this defense in the top 10.

jspchief
05-23-2006, 06:10 AM
Why do you guys even read these articles? If every response is going to be "I'll believe it when I see it", you're wasting your time until the season starts. It's going to nothing but fluff and talk for the next several months.

They're working on changing the attitude. I'm not sure how much more you expected a week into non-pads practice.

greg63
05-23-2006, 06:26 AM
Why do you guys even read these articles? If every response is going to be "I'll believe it when I see it", you're wasting your time until the season starts. It's going to nothing but fluff and talk for the next several months.

They're working on changing the attitude. I'm not sure how much more you expected a week into non-pads practice.

That's how I feel about the Fatlock articles; the responses are always the same.

DaWolf
05-23-2006, 06:27 AM
This is the same old crap we hear from Gunther and his boys every year. And yet the entire defense's fortunes are resting on what, a rookie DE coming in and providing more of a pass rush? Our DL is still not that great, especially on the interior, and we have a huge hole at cornerback and unresolved issues at safety. Our first two picks better be freakin' spectacular because I'm tired of all this BS...

DaWolf
05-23-2006, 06:34 AM
Why do you guys even read these articles? If every response is going to be "I'll believe it when I see it", you're wasting your time until the season starts. It's going to nothing but fluff and talk for the next several months.

They're working on changing the attitude. I'm not sure how much more you expected a week into non-pads practice.

I'm not interested in attitude change, I'm interested in accountability. They've been working on attitude change for the last 6 offseasons. If we wanted attitude change we might as well have hired Dr. Phil to coach this team. Hey Kawika, you don't have the best anything in the league. You need to look back there and admit that you and your defensive mates suck and start fixing whatever it is that makes you all suck or retire from football and let someone else play. Because telling yourself that you're great ain't been getting it done, I've been hearing the same BS from you all 6 years running...

the Talking Can
05-23-2006, 06:45 AM
I'm speechless.

BigChiefFan
05-23-2006, 06:55 AM
Looks like they have turned chicken shit into chicken salad. That's worth the price of admission alone.

KCKID58
05-23-2006, 06:56 AM
Talk ,talk,talk. Who really cares. I need to wait and see on the field.Show us... Talk is cheap....

Gaz
05-23-2006, 06:58 AM
A positive attitude does no harm.

xoxo~
Gaz
Would sure like to see it happen.

KCFalcon59
05-23-2006, 06:58 AM
I'm speechless.

That's saying a lot........ :p :)

StcChief
05-23-2006, 07:01 AM
Talk is cheap, but I like the positive attitude and if that helps great.....

Translate that energy to smart D play, not getting burned and lets see it on the field.

Some folks are really gonna have to step up to be a top 10 D.

We go into Incestco and take down Donxs,
I will start believing. Road wins against a good team is start.

FAX
05-23-2006, 07:05 AM
I have a friend who is a very successful sports psychologist. He now does a lot of public/corporate speaking. He would say that Kawika's statements are a very good thing.

He is of the opinion that the difference between successful and unsuccessful people is how quickly they can recover from adversity. We all experience adversity. Some of us get over it and some of us don’t. And, recovering from adversity begins with positive affirmations.

I, for one, would like to hear every defensive player speak in this manner. It's a step toward getting where we want to be as a defense. I have no problem with it at all.

Jonathan Livingston Seagull said, “You begin by knowing you’re already there.”

FAX

Skip Towne
05-23-2006, 07:12 AM
Somewhere, Tiki Barber is smiling.

greg63
05-23-2006, 07:14 AM
I have a friend who is a very successful sports psychologist. He now does a lot of public/corporate speaking. He would say that Kawika's statements are a very good thing.

He is of the opinion that the difference between successful and unsuccessful people is how quickly they can recover from adversity. We all experience adversity. Some of us get over it and some of us don’t. And, recovering from adversity begins with positive affirmations.

I, for one, would like to hear every defensive player speak in this manner. It's a step toward getting where we want to be as a defense. I have no problem with it at all.

Jonathan Livingston Seagull said, “You begin by knowing you’re already there.”

FAX


Yup; those who believe they can and those who believe they can't are both right....or something like that.

Gaz
05-23-2006, 07:23 AM
I believe it will take more than positive visualization to mend our pass Defense.

It will take a consistent push up the middle. Either Sims or Siavii will have to demonstrate that they were good draft picks. The team will have to adjust to a modified Defensive scheme. One of our CBs will have to fill the Warfield-sized hole. Our Safeties will have to play MUCH better. We need Bell to demonstrate why we were excited to pick him up, injuries and all.

There is a lot to accomplish in a short amount of time.

However, there is no downside to the Defensive players pumping themselves up a bit. I want them to have a bit of ‘tude. Better a snarling dog than a whipped puppy, so to speak.

xoxo~
Gaz
Eager for the big dogs to back up that bark with some bite.

FAX
05-23-2006, 07:28 AM
Better a snarling dog than a whipped puppy, so to speak.

You are wise, Mr. Gaz.

Would people feel better if Kawika had said, "Listen everybody, you know we suck and we know we suck. But, hey, it's a paycheck."?

FAX

morphius
05-23-2006, 07:36 AM
If you can get your hands on the receivers, that slows them down and gives a rusher another step to the quarterback...

The above quote from Edwards gives me some hope that we will stop lining our CB's 10 yards off the WR's at all times. It is also nice that our MLB is really stepping into his role as the D QB, hopefully he can bring some intensity to the rest of the squad.

htismaqe
05-23-2006, 07:39 AM
You are wise, Mr. Gaz.

Would people feel better if Kawika had said, "Listen everybody, you know we suck and we know we suck. But, hey, it's a paycheck."?

FAX

Exactly. No matter what he says, people here are gonna bitch.

Hog Farmer
05-23-2006, 07:45 AM
We'll see just how good this defense is once we land in Denver...

Denver will be no competition this year. They will be in the middle of a QB controversy.

Dr. Facebook Fever
05-23-2006, 07:46 AM
Man there are some big whiney babies on this thread. A key defensive player is trying to step up and be a leader and rally the troops and people just want to tell him to STFU. Unreal.

Good for Kawika. Good for Herm and the entire defense that they are starting to change the mindset. It's got to start somewhere folks. Be glad it's starting this soon into the new regime. What do you want... an "I hope we can do it" attitude? I say get fired up, go out and work hard preparing for the season and maybe... just maybe it can all work out.

God forbid our players try to believe in themselves as a first step to real improvement.

Chiefnj
05-23-2006, 07:47 AM
"We have the best defensive lineman in the league," Mitchell announced when it was his turn to address the true believers who shouted back their approval.

:shake:

Is anyone else anticipating that Kawika is going to be suspended 4 games for violating the league's substance abuse policy?

ROYC75
05-23-2006, 07:47 AM
All of this Raw Raw Raw hit'em in the jaw cheelleader shit is fine.......it gets the kiddies into it.

For all the old dogs......... just bring it. Proof is in the pudding.

ROYC75
05-23-2006, 07:48 AM
"We have the best defensive lineman in the league," Mitchell announced when it was his turn to address the true believers who shouted back their approval.

:shake:

Is anyone else anticipating that Kawika is going to be suspended 4 games for violating the league's substance abuse policy?

Good one ..........
:clap:

Rausch
05-23-2006, 07:50 AM
Denver will be no competition this year. They will be in the middle of a QB controversy.

By week 2?

Not likely...

FAX
05-23-2006, 07:54 AM
The goats need to get their QB controversy started right away, Mr. Rausch. You know, to get it over with sooner.

I think it should and will begin in camp. It's good for the team, all goat fans, and their community as a whole.

FAX

Rausch
05-23-2006, 07:56 AM
The goats need to get their QB controversy started right away, Mr. Rausch. You know, to get it over with sooner.

I think it should and will begin in camp. It's good for the team, all goat fans, and their community as a whole.

FAX


And just why do we have to start every season traveling to Denber anyway?

WTF? :cuss:

Cochise
05-23-2006, 07:57 AM
The only way I can think of to respond to this headline is.... :bong:

CoMoChief
05-23-2006, 07:59 AM
We'll see just how good this defense is once we land in Denver...

Even when we were good on defense back in 97, Elway would still beat our asses up in Denver. It's almost a fact that we suck up there.

FAX
05-23-2006, 08:12 AM
And just why do we have to start every season traveling to Denber anyway?

WTF? :cuss:

I really don't know, Mr. Rausch. There are many possible explanations, but none of them make a lot of sense. It's sort of like the NFL's version of the magic bullet theory.

But, now I'm wondering what Herm's record at the home of the mangily goats is. Did NY ever travel there? I'm sure they must have.

FAX

dtebbe
05-23-2006, 08:23 AM
If this is true, it's only a matter of time before the entire squad is suspended for testing positive for crack.

DT

Radar Chief
05-23-2006, 08:25 AM
The only way I can think of to respond to this headline is.... :bong:

Why? It’s not inaccurate. With, say, 10 maybe 11 different players on the field they could be the best defense in the league. ROFL ;)

KCChiefsFan88
05-23-2006, 08:28 AM
Dean: Chiefs defense believes it can be the NFL's best unit (http://cjonline.com/stories/052306/chi_dean.shtml)


"We have the best defensive lineman in the league," Mitchell announced when it was his turn to address the true believers who shouted back their approval.



ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

Baby Lee
05-23-2006, 08:30 AM
eh, confidence doesn't hurt anyone...now they really need to back their talk up tho
I'm reminded of a young Chad Johnson telling his new coach of his basement dwelling team that he wanted to be the next Jerry Rice.

There is no guarantee, but given a choice I'd rather have a unit that believes they are the best on earth [an army of Dih-kas], than a group of 'realistic' middling achievers.

htismaqe
05-23-2006, 09:19 AM
I'm reminded of a young Chad Johnson telling his new coach of his basement dwelling team that he wanted to be the next Jerry Rice.

There is no guarantee, but given a choice I'd rather have a unit that believes they are the best on earth [an army of Dih-kas], than a group of 'realistic' middling achievers.

Come on that's a cop out. Surely you can whine better than this. :harumph:

ChiefFripp
05-23-2006, 09:20 AM
Until they prove it to me they are still strictly bottom of the barrel material.

CosmicPal
05-23-2006, 09:27 AM
Well, I believe they can improve and surprise the league and everyone else. They have the speed- remember Fox had a stellar pre-season before getting injured; Battle looked like he was going to be a starter before getting injured; I like the additions of Tamba Hali who will only make Jared Allen even more dangerous; and I'm beginning to believe Pollard just might be a steal. Mitchell is showing he is the captain of this defense and more importantly- NOBODY expected Chicago to elevate their defense like they did last year- Nobody! Chicago proved it is possible with less-than marquee players who have great speed and the ability to hit. KC can do the same, and I like the fact Edwards is beginning to give these guys some confidence in themselves.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-23-2006, 09:45 AM
"Chiefs defense believes it can be the NFL's best unit"

ROFL

Coogs
05-23-2006, 09:48 AM
I opened this thread thinking it was going to be a "Letters to Penthouse" type of thread. :)

Woodrow Call
05-23-2006, 09:51 AM
This team has had its confidence shattered over the last few years if Herm can bring that confidence back this team has the talent to be a top 10 D.

|Zach|
05-23-2006, 09:51 AM
Until they can prove to me they are a top 10 defense statistically in the NFL during mini camp im not reading this.

Logical
05-23-2006, 09:53 AM
Why do you guys even read these articles? If every response is going to be "I'll believe it when I see it", you're wasting your time until the season starts. It's going to nothing but fluff and talk for the next several months.

They're working on changing the attitude. I'm not sure how much more you expected a week into non-pads practice.

I would prefer to read about real improvement, not players spouting their delusions. We have Eric Hicks to do that.

Logical
05-23-2006, 09:57 AM
You are wise, Mr. Gaz.

Would people feel better if Kawika had said, "Listen everybody, you know we suck and we know we suck. But, hey, it's a paycheck."?

FAX

Mr. FAX

I would prefer to hear we know we sucked, and we know we will suck again unless we maximize our efforts and show 100% effort towards improvement. We are committed to improvement and believe in ourselves.

htismaqe
05-23-2006, 10:05 AM
Until they can prove to me they are a top 10 defense statistically in the NFL during mini camp im not reading this.

ROFL

:clap:

htismaqe
05-23-2006, 10:06 AM
I would prefer to read about real improvement, not players spouting their delusions. We have Eric Hicks to do that.

You might want to click down on your systray and note the DATE.

mdstu
05-23-2006, 10:10 AM
I'm all about confidence in the Defense. But, come on. Baby steps. Talk about improvement and realistic achievements. Talking about being the best when you are clearly the worst, or close to it, only makes you sound stupid.

Kinda like how Saddam sounds when he starts flexing.

Logical
05-23-2006, 10:20 AM
You might want to click down on your systray and note the DATE.

Did we cut Hicks and I missed it? Otherwise I am not sure what your comment means. You don't have to be an NFL coach to know we do not have top talent at Dline or DB, we could at linebacker if Fox or Bell step up and play to potential. Nothing wrong with confidence and believing there will be great improvement, but that just came across as ridiculous and worthy of contempt.

FAX
05-23-2006, 10:22 AM
Mr. FAX

I would prefer to hear we know we sucked, and we know we will suck again unless we maximize our efforts and show 100% effort towards improvement. We are committed to improvement and believe in ourselves.

That's more than reasonable, Mr. Logical. I would never presume to disagree with you and I would have liked that too. However, at the risk of being savagely compared to that guy on SNL who talks to himself in the mirror, here's my take.

1) Kawika is trying to establish himself as THE team leader on defense. In order to accomplish that, he has to set a high standard and do what he can to raise himself as well as the other players to that standard.

2) It sounds like this was somewhat of a pep rally. You say outrageous things at pep rallies like, "Go Blossoms!!! Kill the Hobos!!!" and stuff like that. Everybody knows that blossoms can't kill hobos. Plus, they really don't want to literally kill the hobos, they just say they do. It's sort of a tribal, beat your chest, pump your fist, make ugly faces kind of event. If Kawika was over the top, maybe we can chalk it up to that.

3) Everybody, including Kawika, knows that our defense has serious problems. That goes without saying. I think that he was articulating pretty much what you are suggesting, just in another way. And, I don't know if Kawika uses long words like you do.

4) You can't get anywhere in life or in sports by spending inordinate time dwelling on the past, how bad you have been, how bad you are, what could have been, etc. Smart people learn from mistakes, true. But, you only ultimately succeed by focusing on the objective and convincing yourself and those around you that your vision (whatever it is) is real. Even before it is.

FAX THE GOING FULL ON HOMER THIS YEAR

htismaqe
05-23-2006, 10:28 AM
Did we cut Hicks and I missed it? Otherwise I am not sure what your comment means. You don't have to be an NFL coach to know we do not have top talent at Dline or DB, we could at linebacker if Fox or Bell step up and play to potential. Nothing wrong with confidence and believing there will be great improvement, but that just came across as ridiculous and worthy of contempt.

You suggested you'd like to see them prove it.

That's empirically IMPOSSIBLE 6 months prior to the start of the season.

Mr. Laz
05-23-2006, 10:29 AM
We have the best defensive lineman in the league,""We have the best linebackers in the league,""We have the best defensive backs in the league .... Mitchell continued as the crowd roared again, not wanting to stop a guy on a roll.


One staple of Cover Two for defensive backs and linebackers alike is a hands-on approach that disrupts a receiver's planned route early in the play.

Coupled with any kind of a pass rush"

i'm glad the players are trying to have confidence. :clap:


but the 2 things they list after that????????


our linebackers don't seem to be able to cover jack .... the short passing game just kills us.


couple with a pass rush ... what pass rush would that be? we've been trying to mount some kind of a pass rush for the last 10 years.

let's hope Tamba is a candidate for rookie of the year.

Mr. Laz
05-23-2006, 10:30 AM
Exactly. No matter what he says, people here are gonna bitch.

yep ... and no matter what is said, you're gonna bitch about the people that say it.

htismaqe
05-23-2006, 10:33 AM
yep ... and no matter what is said, you're gonna bitch about the people that say it.

Of course, it's HIGHLY entertaining.

dirk digler
05-23-2006, 10:34 AM
I about shit my pants when I heard Mitchell say this at the mini camp.

It is one thing to be confident another thing to be delusional.

GET A CLUE ****ERS...YOU HAVE BEEN THE LAUGHINSTOCK OF THE NFL ON D FOR THE LAST 3 YEARS. STFU AND PROVE SOMETHING BEFORE YOU START TALKING ABOUT BEING THE BEST.

:banghead:

:cuss:

Chiefnj
05-23-2006, 10:36 AM
It's good that the D is starting to believe in themselves. Hopefully, Palmer won't bitch smack that confidence out of them in week one.

NJ Chief Fan
05-23-2006, 10:48 AM
KAWIKA GOT ME BELIEVIN

PRINT DEM SB TIX HERE COME DA CHEFS!

bogie
05-23-2006, 10:49 AM
"We're not asking them to do anything they can't do, just things they're not used to doing."

In other words, they have the ability to succeed, now start doing it. It has to start with a positive attitude, which hopefully carries over to the practice field and then game day.

Logical
05-23-2006, 10:53 AM
You suggested you'd like to see them prove it.

That's empirically IMPOSSIBLE 6 months prior to the start of the season.

No I suggested I would prefer to read about real improvement nothing about the team proving it. That comment was intended for Dean who did a story on a delusional rah rah statement, when he could have been writing about what actually happened in the mini-camp as far as the team getting better (if they are?). I believe you read something into my statement that I did not say.

htismaqe
05-23-2006, 10:54 AM
No I suggested I would prefer to read about real improvement nothing about the team proving it. That comment was intended for Dean who did a story on a delusional rah rah statement, when he could have been writing about what actually happened in the mini-camp as far as the team getting better (if they are?). I believe you read something into my statement that I did not say.

Well, that being the case, I'd have to say you're crazy.

"Real" improvement doesn't happen in mini-camp.

KCTitus
05-23-2006, 10:56 AM
"Real" improvement doesn't happen in mini-camp.

I have to disagree, but one would have to possess either the game film or a premium membership.

Hog Rider
05-23-2006, 10:57 AM
2006 stats

rushing yards allowed = 0
passing yards allowed = 0

I'd say we are at least statistically tied with the #1 defense.

htismaqe
05-23-2006, 11:03 AM
I have to disagree, but one would have to possess either the game film or a premium membership.

ROFL

BIG_DADDY
05-23-2006, 11:07 AM
I sure would like to see the swagger come back. D with an attitude.

Iowanian
05-23-2006, 11:08 AM
For some reason, I find myself reading Mitchell's statements in the Voice of Major Payne....reciting his version of the little engine that could.

toot. toot.

Logical
05-23-2006, 11:11 AM
Well, that being the case, I'd have to say you're crazy.

"Real" improvement doesn't happen in mini-camp.

So you are saying that players don't improve with coaching? Why have mini-camps?

CosmicPal
05-23-2006, 11:13 AM
Chicago went from having the 21st ranked defense in the NFL in 2004 to having the 2nd ranked defense in the NFL in 2005.

It can happen.

FAX
05-23-2006, 11:13 AM
So you are saying that players don't improve with coaching? Why have mini-camps?

I know this one, Mr. Logical!!

To give them an opportunity to spout crazy sh*t in public.

FAX

htismaqe
05-23-2006, 11:18 AM
So you are saying that players don't improve with coaching? Why have mini-camps?

You said YOU want to SEE real improvement.

If YOU can SEE real improvement in mini-camps, you're in the wrong line of work.

dirk digler
05-23-2006, 11:23 AM
Chicago went from having the 21st ranked defense in the NFL in 2004 to having the 2nd ranked defense in the NFL in 2005.

It can happen.

I agree but you didn't hear the Bears players saying they were the best.

Logical
05-23-2006, 11:28 AM
You said YOU want to SEE real improvement.

If YOU can SEE real improvement in mini-camps, you're in the wrong line of work.No I did not Parker. My exact quote:
Originally Posted by Logical
I would prefer to read about real improvement, not players spouting their delusions. We have Eric Hicks to do that.
I said read about not see. Dean is a professional sports writer he is paid to be able to see and report.

Tribal Warfare
05-23-2006, 11:35 AM
They're working on changing the attitude. I'm not sure how much more you expected a week into non-pads practice.

They've been "working" on that for the past 6 years

htismaqe
05-23-2006, 11:54 AM
They've been "working" on that for the past 6 years

With Crybaby at the helm, they were "working" on group hugs...

htismaqe
05-23-2006, 11:55 AM
No I did not Parker. My exact quote:

I said read about not see. Dean is a professional sports writer he is paid to be able to see and report.

Rick Dean is a sports writer. If HE can see "improvement" during a May mini-camp, when the guys haven't even put on pads together, he is in the wrong line of work.

Furthermore, if Dean actually WROTE what you're asking him to - that he watched mini-camp and he SAW an improved unit - this place would be riddled with "Rick Dean is a shill for the Chiefs" posts.

Logical
05-23-2006, 12:05 PM
Rick Dean is a sports writer. If HE can see "improvement" during a May mini-camp, when the guys haven't even put on pads together, he is in the wrong line of work.

Furthermore, if Dean actually WROTE what you're asking him to - that he watched mini-camp and he SAW an improved unit - this place would be riddled with "Rick Dean is a shill for the Chiefs" posts.On the first statement you are entitled to your opinion, my opinion is that sports commentators/reporters are indeed paid to see and have opinions even if we don't agree with them.

On your second point, you are probably correct about some people calling him a shill but since he has a record of being balanced (reporting negatives and positives) I think most would give him the benefit of the doubt unless it became a pattern like it is with Gretz.

My point is that you mischaracterized what I said, I clearly did not say I wanted to see improvement. I was implying I would rather read about a sports commentators impression of improvement rather than some rah rah delusional statement that you typically get from Hicks not Mitchell. You want to report that the attitude seems to be changing and show positive reasons why, I am cool with that. But I don't see delusions of grandeur as positive reasons to believe there is an attitude change.

ChiefaRoo
05-23-2006, 12:10 PM
:whackit:

Well it looks like their trying to serve dog shit, and tell us it's filet Minon.

I'll have to see it to believe it


Umm what's filet minon?

Tribal Warfare
05-23-2006, 12:13 PM
Umm what's filet minon?

steak dude

ChiefaRoo
05-23-2006, 12:16 PM
Well, I believe they can improve and surprise the league and everyone else. They have the speed- remember Fox had a stellar pre-season before getting injured; Battle looked like he was going to be a starter before getting injured; I like the additions of Tamba Hali who will only make Jared Allen even more dangerous; and I'm beginning to believe Pollard just might be a steal. Mitchell is showing he is the captain of this defense and more importantly- NOBODY expected Chicago to elevate their defense like they did last year- Nobody! Chicago proved it is possible with less-than marquee players who have great speed and the ability to hit. KC can do the same, and I like the fact Edwards is beginning to give these guys some confidence in themselves.


I'll make this prediction right now. Julian Battle will NEVER, EVER be a good cornerback in the NFL. He's a never was who was only drafted on potential and now he's coming back from a major injury which most likely will take his athleticism down a notch. He has to this date NEVER demonstrated the desire to be successful in the NFL and even stated in the press that he "wasn't Jesus Christ" when the Chiefs we're talking him up last year before he got hurt. He is a complete bust. You heard it hear first.

ck_IN
05-23-2006, 12:18 PM
I wonder what these guys are smoking?

For the cover 2 to work you need a consistent pass rush from your front 4. Allan will do his part. Hali might contribute but who else? You also need some speed in your safety's. Knight is a hitter but he has to be one of the slowest safety's in the league. That also leaves the question of who patrols the side opposite of Surtain? Cover 2 can make up for some weak CB play but only to a point. And who covers the TE. Cover 2 can be scorched by good TE's, can you say Gates?

The D should improve if for no other reason then Edwards seems to care about D which is more then DV ever seemed to do. But I'm still thinking it's in the high teens/low 20's.

ChiefaRoo
05-23-2006, 12:20 PM
steak dude


Oh, well why don't you spell it right then Koshihiro? It's spelled Filet Mignon


"What the Fu*K is a Frush?" :)

KCTitus
05-23-2006, 12:21 PM
I'll make this prediction right now. Julian Battle will NEVER, EVER be a good cornerback in the NFL. He's a never was who was only drafted on potential and now he's coming back from a major injury which most likely will take his athleticism down a notch. He has to this date NEVER demonstrated the desire to be successful in the NFL and even stated in the press that he "wasn't Jesus Christ" when the Chiefs we're talking him up last year before he got hurt. He is a complete bust. You heard it hear first.

Probably the riskiest prediction Ive ever read on Chiefsplanet...that's really pushing the envelope there.

ChiefaRoo
05-23-2006, 12:23 PM
Probably the riskiest prediction Ive ever read on Chiefsplanet...that's really pushing the envelope there.

Your right it's self evident. It's just irritating when we hear people talking about Julian Battle like he's actually a player. He's NOT!

the Talking Can
05-23-2006, 12:24 PM
Gunther's semen is destroying Kawicka's brain.

Nzoner
05-23-2006, 12:54 PM
I have a friend who is a very successful sports psychologist. He now does a lot of public/corporate speaking. He would say that Kawika's statements are a very good thing.

He is of the opinion that the difference between successful and unsuccessful people is how quickly they can recover from adversity. We all experience adversity. Some of us get over it and some of us don’t. And, recovering from adversity begins with positive affirmations.

I, for one, would like to hear every defensive player speak in this manner. It's a step toward getting where we want to be as a defense. I have no problem with it at all.

Jonathan Livingston Seagull said, “You begin by knowing you’re already there.”

FAX


Having been in sales and sales training the better part of my career I agree with this,however,there also comes a point when motivation is not enough and one has to have proper technique to go along with it.

Hopefully this is the beginning of a new and improved squad.

CosmicPal
05-23-2006, 01:07 PM
Having been in sales and sales training the better part of my career I agree with this,however,there also comes a point when motivation is not enough and one has to have proper technique to go along with it.

Hopefully this is the beginning of a new and improved squad.

Yep. Inspiration is one thing, realization is another.

There isn't a team in sports that doesn't somehow use motivational speeches to inspire a team. The players simply have to WANT to win and to be better players more than anything- I honestly think they are all (defensive players) tired of the offense getting all the accolades and everyone going to the bathroom when the defense is on the field.

It's way too early to tell, but I like the fact the veterans on this defense are beginning to believe in themselves- it is certainly the step in the right direction. I expect them to be a better unit this year- how much, we'll just have to wait and see.

jspchief
05-23-2006, 01:41 PM
Clearly the team needs to just not say anything to the media and fans.

Since only proof on the field is acceptable, everything that happens in the next 5 months is of no consequence.

rad
05-23-2006, 02:08 PM
I wonder what these guys are smoking?

For the cover 2 to work you need a consistent pass rush from your front 4. Allan will do his part. Hali might contribute but who else? You also need some speed in your safety's. Knight is a hitter but he has to be one of the slowest safety's in the league. That also leaves the question of who patrols the side opposite of Surtain? Cover 2 can make up for some weak CB play but only to a point. And who covers the TE. Cover 2 can be scorched by good TE's, can you say Gates?

The D should improve if for no other reason then Edwards seems to care about D which is more then DV ever seemed to do. But I'm still thinking it's in the high teens/low 20's.


Blitz Sapp every down? :shrug:

htismaqe
05-23-2006, 02:24 PM
Clearly the team needs to just not say anything to the media and fans.

Since only proof on the field is acceptable, everything that happens in the next 5 months is of no consequence.

Yep.

beer bacon
05-23-2006, 02:58 PM
I wonder what these guys are smoking?

For the cover 2 to work you need a consistent pass rush from your front 4. Allan will do his part. Hali might contribute but who else? You also need some speed in your safety's. Knight is a hitter but he has to be one of the slowest safety's in the league. That also leaves the question of who patrols the side opposite of Surtain? Cover 2 can make up for some weak CB play but only to a point. And who covers the TE. Cover 2 can be scorched by good TE's, can you say Gates?

The D should improve if for no other reason then Edwards seems to care about D which is more then DV ever seemed to do. But I'm still thinking it's in the high teens/low 20's.

We were 16th in scoring defense last season, and that is all I care about improving on. I don't care at all about ypg. You don't win any games for holding the opposing team under 300 yards.

DTLB58
05-23-2006, 03:26 PM
A positive attitude does no harm.

xoxo~
Gaz
Would sure like to see it happen.


:clap:

penchief
05-23-2006, 03:36 PM
Gunther has brainwashed Mitchell.

Are you sure it isn't Hicks that has his ear?

Dave Lane
05-23-2006, 05:50 PM
IN other news the Royals think they can be the best baseball team in the majors.

Dave