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FAX
05-27-2006, 08:31 PM
I thought I'd share this with you guys before I go out tonight.

I got some great news on Friday. I cut a demo of about 8 new tunes a few months ago and found out on Friday that the publishing deal I wanted came through. It's a tier one publishing company here in Nashville who agreed that I shall retain 1/4 of the publishing plus writer's royalties. They were against this type of arrangement at first. A modest advance on 5 of the tunes that they think they can do something with. There's no guarantee that I'll get a cut, but it's still great news for me as its been a long time since I re-engaged with the industry. I'm hopeful that I can get an album cut or two.

Proof positive that you can post on the Planet and still do other stuff, too.

FAX

StcChief
05-27-2006, 08:32 PM
Mr.Fax
excellent Good for you.

JBucc
05-27-2006, 08:33 PM
Woohoo for FAX! I wish I had musical talents. Getting my own album would be so sweet.

Logical
05-27-2006, 08:35 PM
Congratulations Mr. FAX

I am left to wonder if they are of the C&W variety? If so I would have never associated you with such a genre.

Nzoner
05-27-2006, 08:38 PM
I'm raising my margarita in a toast to you Mr. Fax,great news and good luck with the rest.

Reaper16
05-27-2006, 08:41 PM
Awesome! Congrats :thumb:

Monkeylook4food
05-27-2006, 08:41 PM
I'm in the biz myself. I remember how I felt when my first album got picked up to this day. Congratulations Mr. Fax.

FAX
05-27-2006, 08:44 PM
Thanks guys. I hesitate to put stuff like this on here because it's sort of egotistical or something. But, in this case, I'm really pleased and excited. I even told my mom.

Mr. Logical, I'm writing in several different genres including country/rock sort of stuff ... ala, Rascal Flatts, etc. Also, a couple of the tunes were more or less alternative rock pieces that might work for some indie groups or something. A blues piece was included and a Contemporary Christian piece, as well.

My goal was to create a demo that had legs under several different styles so as to be more attractive to a decent publisher.

FAX

Logical
05-27-2006, 08:50 PM
Thanks guys. I hesitate to put stuff like this on here because it's sort of egotistical or something. But, in this case, I'm really pleased and excited. I even told my mom.

Mr. Logical, I'm writing in several different genres including country/rock sort of stuff ... ala, Rascal Flatts, etc. Also, a couple of the tunes were more or less alternative rock pieces that might work for some indie groups or something. A blues piece was included and a Contemporary Christian piece, as well.

My goal was to create a demo that had legs under several different styles so as to be more attractive to a decent publisher.

FAX

Interesting,

I just learned something, for some reason I associate Nashville only with C&W, gospel and Blues. I had no idea they did any publishing for rock, alternative rock or even Contemporary Christian (though I suppose that would be a natural extension of Gospel).

Thig Lyfe
05-27-2006, 08:51 PM
Awesome! Congratulations on achieving success despite being associated with the Chiefs.

FAX
05-27-2006, 08:55 PM
Interesting,

I just learned something, for some reason I associate Nashville only with C&W, gospel and Blues. I had no idea they did any publishing for rock, alternative rock or even Contemporary Christian (though I suppose that would be a natural extension of Gospel).

It's a common conception, Mr. Logical.

There's a huge Contemporary Christian business in Nashville, Mr. Logical. Plus, the alternative music scene and independent label business is alive and well here. Blues is an underdog.

All the major labels are here. Plus, most of the top Nashville publishers work with acts, bands, studios, managers, etc. all over the world, as well.

Offline.

FAX

4th and Long
05-27-2006, 08:55 PM
Mr. FAX,

I hope that someday, you make it to the "Big Time."

Big time
I'm on my way-I'm making it
Big time
I've got to make it show yeah
Big time
So much larger than life
Big time
I'm going to watch it growing
Big time

ROYC75
05-27-2006, 09:04 PM
Awesome.......... Let me know when the party starts, I'm only 90 miles away.

OldTownChief
05-27-2006, 09:09 PM
Congratulations, Very Cool.

Skip Towne
05-27-2006, 09:18 PM
Charley would be so proud!

cdcox
05-27-2006, 10:24 PM
Congrats, FAX.

I'm confused about the publishing bit. You've cut the demo. Knowing nothing about the music industry, I'd presume the next step would be to sell it to a band interested in playing it. Why the intermediate step of "publishing"? Any one feel free to answer.

58-4ever
05-27-2006, 10:42 PM
Also proof-positive that Lortabs and success go together as well.

morphius
05-27-2006, 10:44 PM
Congrats FAX!

BucEyedPea
05-27-2006, 10:49 PM
Congrats Mr Fax!
Ain't it cool when you get a gig with great terms!!
I know the feelin'!

morphius
05-27-2006, 10:51 PM
Interesting,

I just learned something, for some reason I associate Nashville only with C&W, gospel and Blues. I had no idea they did any publishing for rock, alternative rock or even Contemporary Christian (though I suppose that would be a natural extension of Gospel).
Come on Vlad, where else did you think music in the SE of the country would funnel to?

58-4ever
05-27-2006, 10:51 PM
Congrats Mr Fax!
Ain't cool when you get a gig with great terms!!
I know the feelin'!

Extrapolate.

BucEyedPea
05-27-2006, 10:55 PM
Extrapolate.

Oops! My bad! I forgot the word "it"...changes the whole meaning.
I should proof more.

That explain it now?

Halfcan
05-27-2006, 11:37 PM
Congrats!!

greg63
05-27-2006, 11:48 PM
Congrats Mr. Fax. :toast:

Rain Man
05-27-2006, 11:52 PM
Is your life tragic enough for these to be country tunes? Or are they some other genre?

Either way, that's great news. Hopefully, you'll get the youth off of this rap stuff.

Logical
05-28-2006, 12:42 AM
Come on Vlad, where else did you think music in the SE of the country would funnel to?If you are being serious my answer would be Atlanta.

alanm
05-28-2006, 12:56 AM
I thought I'd share this with you guys before I go out tonight.

I got some great news on Friday. I cut a demo of about 8 new tunes a few months ago and found out on Friday that the publishing deal I wanted came through. It's a tier one publishing company here in Nashville who agreed that I shall retain 1/4 of the publishing plus writer's royalties. They were against this type of arrangement at first. A modest advance on 5 of the tunes that they think they can do something with. There's no guarantee that I'll get a cut, but it's still great news for me as its been a long time since I re-engaged with the industry. I'm hopeful that I can get an album cut or two.

Proof positive that you can post on the Planet and still do other stuff, too.

FAX
Did they ask you to empty the trash and clean the restrooms too? ROFL

j/k

Pitt Gorilla
05-28-2006, 01:13 AM
Great news. Congrats! :clap:

big nasty kcnut
05-28-2006, 01:57 AM
MR. Fax good job

keg in kc
05-28-2006, 01:58 AM
"Congradulations"

gblowfish
05-28-2006, 09:08 AM
I take it in real life you're NOT Robbie Fulks?
Congrats, good luck, hope to hear your tunes on the muzak in Applebee's soon.

Der Flöprer
05-28-2006, 09:32 AM
Congratulations Mr. Fax. There is no feeling in the world quite as satisfying as watching a plan come together. Best wishes to you and may the money fall down like rain.

patteeu
05-28-2006, 11:24 AM
Congratulations, FAX.

I hope you didn't include a reference to the size of Taco's penis in any of your tunes or it might lead to some ChiefsPlanet fireworks. On second thought...

FAX
05-28-2006, 11:58 AM
If you are being serious my answer would be Atlanta.

Christian music really got its legs here, Mr. Logical. David Curtis Chapman, Michael Whitaker Smith and Amy Grant all live here, for example. Nashville is the home of several of the top CCM labels including Word as well as being the home of the Methodist Publishing and Baptist Publishing houses. CCM peddled somewhere in the neighborhood of 45 million units last year, I believe. Most of that was produced out of Nashville. That's why I included a CCM piece in my demo.

As far as other genres are concerned, every label is represented here including Sony, RCA, Warner, Capitol, etc. They cross-pollinate music with LA, NY, Muscle Shoals, etc. Plus, the list of pop/rock artists that record here is huge. From Winwood and Bon Jovi to Norah Jones, Hiatt, Dylan, etc. The list is virtually endless.

It's not all C&W here. As far as I am concerned, I really don't like pure C&W music and I don't think I own a single Country record. But, then I'm not writing to expose my inner feelings to the world. I'm doing this for the money.

FAX

FAX
05-28-2006, 12:29 PM
Congrats, FAX.

I'm confused about the publishing bit. You've cut the demo. Knowing nothing about the music industry, I'd presume the next step would be to sell it to a band interested in playing it. Why the intermediate step of "publishing"? Any one feel free to answer.

Publishers are, basically, the middle man between the artist and the writer, Mr. cdcox. They derive their income from royalties that are portioned between the writer and the publisher from record sales, airplay, etc. Publishing got its start in the days of sheet music (before recordings). They remained relevant by giving both writers and artists (management, studios, labels, etc.) sort of a convenient clearing house of material. It's good for a writer because they know who is looking for songs and you don't have to schlep around begging people to listen to your stuff.

What's sad is that they often want writer's royalties, too. Often in the form of co-writing credit. That really sucks. And, as Mr. alanm alluded to, they are brutal about "dues paying". They generally treat writers like mutants. My goal was to retain some of the publishing rights in addition to the writer credit and royalties. Just to see if I could do it.

FAX

cdcox
05-28-2006, 12:38 PM
Publishers are, basically, the middle man between the artist and the writer, Mr. cdcox. They derive their income from royalties that are portioned between the writer and the publisher from record sales, airplay, etc. Publishing got its start in the days of sheet music (before recordings). They remained relevant by giving both writers and artists (management, studios, labels, etc.) sort of a convenient clearing house of material. It's good for a writer because they know who is looking for songs and you don't have to schlep around begging people to listen to your stuff.

What's sad is that they often want writer's royalties, too. Often in the form of co-writing credit. That really sucks. And, as Mr. alanm alluded to, they are brutal about "dues paying". They generally treat writers like mutants. My goal was to retain some of the publishing rights in addition to the writer credit and royalties. Just to see if I could do it.

FAX


So they take your demo around and play it to musicians and their handlers? That would be like acting as an agent for the song writer. Do they contribute any additional value added? Like print sheet music or redo your demo with complete group?

If your song gets picked for recording, how do you transmit it to the artist? Do you put it down as sheet music? Or is it done by ear? Do you meet with the artist and work with them? How much license do they have to change what you wrote (lyrics or tune)?

Obviously I know nothing about this interesting world.

Iowanian
05-28-2006, 12:50 PM
I knew it!

You've been milking me for Lyrics.

FAX
05-28-2006, 12:50 PM
So they take your demo around and play it to musicians and their handlers? That would be like acting as an agent for the song writer. Do they contribute any additional value added? Like print sheet music or redo your demo with complete group?

If your song gets picked for recording, how do you transmit it to the artist? Do you put it down as sheet music? Or is it done by ear? Do you meet with the artist and work with them? How much license do they have to change what you wrote (lyrics or tune)?

Obviously I know nothing about this interesting world.

Yes, Mr. cdcox, to all of the above. The demo I cut was merely a bunch of Strat tracks and vocals cut on a digital tascam 40 track I have at my house. Then, I took it to a friend who did the mix and cut the CDs. Now, these guys will recut the songs they like (5) in a decent studio with decent musicians and a singer who can actually sing.

At that point, they'll try and get the tunes cut. Different artists learn the songs in different ways. I've seen songs picked up by ear and, in other cases, scores are provided (usually done by the artist's producer/arranger). The writer can meet with whoever they want assuming the artist wants to meet with them. But, basically you're out of it once you've passed over the song. As far as license to change the song, that's open to interpretation. But, making major changes to the lyrics is a big no-no. Arrangements and personal adaptation are cool.

I'm really not expecting anything huge out of this. As I said, I would be more than happy with an album cut or two. I'm basically doing it for the fun and because royalty checks are neat.

FAX

cdcox
05-28-2006, 12:52 PM
Yes, Mr. cdcox, to all of the above. The demo I cut was merely a bunch of Strat tracks and vocals cut on a digital tascam 40 track I have at my house. Then, I took it to a friend who did the mix and cut the CDs. Now, these guys will recut the songs they like (5) in a decent studio with decent musicians and a singer who can actually sing.

At that point, they'll try and get the tunes cut. Different artists learn the songs in different ways. I've seen songs picked up by ear and, in other cases, scores are provided (usually done by the artist's producer/arranger). The writer can meet with whoever they want assuming the artist wants to meet with them. But, basically you're out of it once you've passed over the song. As far as license to change the song, that's open to interpretation. But, making major changes to the lyrics is a big no-no. Arrangements and personal adaptation are cool.

I'm really not expecting anything huge out of this. As I said, I would be more than happy with an album cut or two. I'm basically doing it for the fun and because royalty checks are neat.

FAX

Very interestng! Thanks, FAX.

Iowanian
05-28-2006, 01:43 PM
Are you just getting started Fax, or have you written anything we'd know?

FAX
05-28-2006, 01:55 PM
Are you just getting started Fax, or have you written anything we'd know?

I got out of the music industry many years ago when I married the beautiful and witty Mrs. FAX as she required a more reliable income and less travel, Mr. Iowanian. This is my re-entry into the industry after a very long hiatus. I have had material in studio on several occasions in the past but never had a cut that made it past final selection. Ever. It kinda pisses me off to tell the truth.

As for relying on you for lyrics. I must admit that I do. However, I have yet to come up with a decent rhyme or context for twatbutter.

FAX

Iowanian
05-28-2006, 02:01 PM
I've thought for a long time that I'd be good at Lyrics...I just don't know anything about arrangement, or the "big words".

A ryme for Twatbutter? Easy.....use that word before the end of the line

I used to like her twatbutter, and for it I now Pine,
Its color was a little nasty, but it tasted, just fine...

FAX
05-28-2006, 02:07 PM
I've thought for a long time that I'd be good at Lyrics...I just don't know anything about arrangement, or the "big words".

A ryme for Twatbutter? Easy.....use that word before the end of the line

I used to like her twatbutter, and for it I now Pine,
Its color was a little nasty, but it tasted, just fine...

I really don't know what to say, Mr. Iowanian.

That's .... well, that's just beautiful.

FAX

C-Mac
05-28-2006, 02:08 PM
This thead is worthless without.........mpeg samples.

keg in kc
05-28-2006, 02:09 PM
You've been milking me for Lyrics.I don't doubt he's been milking you, but I don't think it's been for lyrics.

FAX
05-28-2006, 02:12 PM
This thead is worthless without.........mpeg samples.

When I get the new demos, Mr. C-Mac, I'll post them somewhere.

It may be painful, but I would be very interested, nonetheless, in what you guys think.

FAX

Iowanian
05-28-2006, 02:12 PM
The new and Improved KEG3.5 floppy, has come installed with the Clown upgrade I see.

keg in kc
05-28-2006, 02:13 PM
The new and Improved KEG3.5 floppyDude, I told you about my levitra prescription in confidence. Damn it.

C-Mac
05-28-2006, 02:17 PM
When I get the new demos, Mr. C-Mac, I'll post them somewhere.

It may be painful, but I would be very interested, nonetheless, in what you guys think.

FAX

Would enjoy that....:thumb:

dirk digler
05-28-2006, 02:55 PM
Congrats Fax!! I hope you make it to the big time just when you do don't forget about us little folk.

Mr. Laz
05-28-2006, 03:05 PM
I thought I'd share this with you guys before I go out tonight.

I got some great news on Friday. I cut a demo of about 8 new tunes a few months ago and found out on Friday that the publishing deal I wanted came through. It's a tier one publishing company here in Nashville who agreed that I shall retain 1/4 of the publishing plus writer's royalties. They were against this type of arrangement at first. A modest advance on 5 of the tunes that they think they can do something with. There's no guarantee that I'll get a cut, but it's still great news for me as its been a long time since I re-engaged with the industry. I'm hopeful that I can get an album cut or two.

Proof positive that you can post on the Planet and still do other stuff, too.

FAX

Good for you! :clap:



congrats Mr. Fax

alpha_omega
05-28-2006, 05:48 PM
Very cool,

Congrats Mr. Fax!

DaneMcCloud
05-28-2006, 06:21 PM
Fax,

Congratulations. It sounds like you signed a Co-Pub agreement (50% Writer/25% co-pub/25% publisher) as opposed to a publishing agreement (50/50). That's great and unusual, especially since most Nashville publishers will only give Publishing Deals because of the glut of songwriters. Co-Pub agreements are usually resevered for LA/NY composers and of course, Artists that have record deals.

I was at Famous LA for 7 years and MCA/Universal 3 years prior to that. PM me if you're with either company, as I know all the people at Famous Nashville (in the old Roy Orbison building, I believe).

Good luck with song placement!

Simply Red
05-29-2006, 08:49 PM
Nice work.