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BucEyedPea
06-01-2006, 11:40 AM
Link (http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/ )
I think this is a good read.

Americans see our leaders more and more today as colluding elites, rather than offering a choice to its citizens. At the same time the two parties appear and are imo, polarizing as well. Sounds like a bit of a conundrum...but true as well.

Do they really represent the main bloc of American votes anymore?

I have often thought myself, that we may be in the midst of another historical shift in our system.

What cha' all think?

banyon
06-01-2006, 12:10 PM
No. they represent two sides of the corporate spectrum, which is much narrower than the public at large.

StcChief
06-01-2006, 12:11 PM
"A wild party" - Alice Cooper (Elected)

vailpass
06-01-2006, 12:12 PM
Political topics belong in the DC forum.

banyon
06-01-2006, 12:13 PM
Political topics belong in the DC forum.

you are kidding right?

Predarat
06-01-2006, 12:17 PM
H. Ross Perot. 16 years too early.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/05/10/perot.cnn/perot.jpg

BucEyedPea
06-01-2006, 12:17 PM
I put it in that forum...but it was relocated to the Chiefs reservation by DC. :p

banyon,
I agree with what you also said...that they are the same side of the corporate coin. But here article still has a lot of truth and isn't contradictory to your position.

vailpass
06-01-2006, 12:17 PM
you are kidding right?

Wow!
No, I wasn't kidding; I had justlogged on and saw this post. I have since read your post and seen what a mess the main page has become.


WTF!!!??

BucEyedPea
06-01-2006, 12:18 PM
H. Ross Perot. 16 years too early.

Frankly, I think he was floated by the same interests to throw the election to a certain candidate..because he quit when it looked likely he could win.

vailpass
06-01-2006, 12:19 PM
I put it in that forum...but it was relocated to the Chiefs reservation by DC. :p

banyon,
I agree with what you also said...that they are the same side of the corporate coin. But here article still has a lot of truth and isn't contradictory to your position.

Sorry BEP I spoke before I realized that the DC posts had been allowed to ooze onto the main page. My bad.

BucEyedPea
06-01-2006, 12:52 PM
Lucky for you I am a very forgiving person! :)

Moooo
06-01-2006, 12:57 PM
What do you propose a third party's policy would be? I think lobbying of big businesses would prevent a party from taking the ideal path of being down the center. Most of your third parties in the past have been progressivist, but I propose that if a third party at this point in time would be best recieved by America in general, it'd probably be to the persuasion of a moral fundamentalism.

Als the parties aren't based on the beliefs of the people. Both parties gof for an intentionally more extreme stance than what they are really asking for in order to reach a compromise closer to that of the people's beliefs. (Kinda like when you go to buy a car with a sticker price of $10,000 and you only wanna pay $9500, so you offer $9000).

Moooo

JBucc
06-01-2006, 12:58 PM
Can it be a toga party?

htismaqe
06-01-2006, 12:59 PM
There's no hope for a third political party in our system. It will never be allowed to happen.

The ruling class will see to that.

BucEyedPea
06-01-2006, 01:02 PM
There's no hope for a third political party in our system. It will never be allowed to happen.

The ruling class will see to that.

Ruling class? :hmmm:
My older sis' hubby is one of your bosses....that's the ruling class.

Well then...time for a new and improved revolution...bloodless of course...to make it happen.

Who here will write or just re-issue the Dec of Independence?

banyon
06-01-2006, 01:02 PM
There's no hope for a third political party in our system. It will never be allowed to happen.

The ruling class will see to that.

eh, it's happened before.

It just takes an issue so overwhelmingly important that the other two parties have virtually 0 credibility on (which is just about everything these days). My money is on the environment, but unfortunately, it'll take a disaster to bring it to the fore.

Just look at how well Perot did in 92' and imagine if there had been a candidate that wasn't so crazy with his message.

BigChiefFan
06-01-2006, 01:36 PM
A 3rd party would be good for balance, IMO.

htismaqe
06-01-2006, 01:36 PM
eh, it's happened before.

It just takes an issue so overwhelmingly important that the other two parties have virtually 0 credibility on (which is just about everything these days). My money is on the environment, but unfortunately, it'll take a disaster to bring it to the fore.

Just look at how well Perot did in 92' and imagine if there had been a candidate that wasn't so crazy with his message.

The "it's happened before" argument just don't fly no more.

More than ever it's an inbred money game. The best days of this Republic are behind it.

Unfortunately, I specialized in ancient Roman history, and we're repeating their mistakes one by one...

htismaqe
06-01-2006, 01:37 PM
Ruling class? :hmmm:
My older sis' hubby is one of your bosses....that's the ruling class.

Well then...time for a new and improved revolution...bloodless of course...to make it happen.

Who here will write or just re-issue the Dec of Independence?

The ruling class...George W Bush and John Kerry, Bill Clinton and the rest of them. They all go to the same schools, belong to the same social clubs, and shock of shocks, they're all firmly entrenched in our political system.

The whole 2-party system is a sham to protect the interests of the ruling class.

You Bro-in-law works for Verizon? Where?

BucEyedPea
06-01-2006, 01:55 PM
The ruling class...George W Bush and John Kerry, Bill Clinton and the rest of them. They all go to the same schools, belong to the same social clubs, and shock of shocks, they're all firmly entrenched in our political system.

The whole 2-party system is a sham to protect the interests of the ruling class.

You Bro-in-law works for Verizon? Where?

Oh I don't disagree with you at all! I was just messin' with ya."

Yes, he is a VP outta NY!
But I ain't sayin' who....just be good! :)

htismaqe
06-01-2006, 02:08 PM
Oh I don't disagree with you at all! I was just messin' with ya."

Yes, he is a VP outta NY!
But I ain't sayin' who....just be good! :)

He must work for Verizon RBOC (NYNEX, Bell Atlantic). If so, he's not my boss. I work for legacy MCI. :D

BucEyedPea
06-01-2006, 02:10 PM
He must work for Verizon RBOC (NYNEX, Bell Atlantic). If so, he's not my boss. I work for legacy MCI. :D

Got me there! :harumph:

I thought it was all one big happy company.

Yes, it was once NYNEX and Bell Atlantic...now Verizon.
I meant boss, over your boss, over your bosses boss type of thing...prolly doesn't even really know you. Ya' know?

htismaqe
06-01-2006, 02:16 PM
Got me there! :harumph:

I thought it was all one big happy company.

Yes, it was once NYNEX and Bell Atlantic...now Verizon.
I meant boss, over your boss, over your bosses boss type of thing...prolly doesn't even really know you. Ya' know?

Verizon Telecom is the former Baby Bell. They also bought GTE.

We're actually a subsidiary made up mostly of former MCI. Our mgmt structure is completely separate save for at the VERY top (C-level).

Verizon Wireless is actually a completely separate company, joint venture between Verizon Telecom and Vodafone.

John_Wayne
06-01-2006, 02:21 PM
Why is this thread not in the DC forum?

htismaqe
06-01-2006, 02:22 PM
Why is this thread not in the DC forum?

Please don't tell me you're going to post this on EVERY ****ING thread...

banyon
06-01-2006, 02:23 PM
Why is this thread not in the DC forum?


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=141609

BucEyedPea
06-01-2006, 02:25 PM
Verizon Telecom is the former Baby Bell. They also bought GTE.

We're actually a subsidiary made up mostly of former MCI. Our mgmt structure is completely separate save for at the VERY top (C-level).

Verizon Wireless is actually a completely separate company, joint venture between Verizon Telecom and Vodafone.

Ah! I see. Yes they bought GTE, my former phone service, here in Florida.

BucEyedPea
06-01-2006, 02:26 PM
Verizon Telecom is the former Baby Bell. They also bought GTE.

We're actually a subsidiary made up mostly of former MCI. Our mgmt structure is completely separate save for at the VERY top (C-level).

Verizon Wireless is actually a completely separate company, joint venture between Verizon Telecom and Vodafone.

Ah! I see. Yes they bought GTE, my former phone service, here in Florida.

listopencil
06-01-2006, 03:34 PM
There's no hope for a third political party in our system. It will never be allowed to happen.

The ruling class will see to that.


The Libertarian Party. All you have to do is vote for them.

htismaqe
06-01-2006, 03:45 PM
The Libertarian Party. All you have to do is vote for them.

I have voted for them. What a ****ing waste.

There's no way they'll ever allow a 3rd-party hold significant offices.

go bowe
06-01-2006, 03:49 PM
you're right about that and it's a shame...

three parties would almost guarantee that no one party could gain control of all 3 branches of the government...

which is one reason why the powers that be will never let it happen...

patteeu
06-01-2006, 04:00 PM
I think it's only slightly more likely than that the apocolypse will take place during my lifetime.

Like Peggy Noonan said in her column:

All my adult life, people have been saying that the two-party system is ending...

I just don't think it's likely. I think the American people, as a group, are getting what they really demand. Middle-of-the-road, creeping socialism-lite.

A very charismatic third party candidate could potentially get elected ala Jesse Ventura, but I don't think he/she'd be able to govern effectively and I just don't think we're going to see a replacement party anytime soon.

Chiefaholic
06-01-2006, 04:03 PM
Why is the Lounge full of DC shit?

BucEyedPea
06-01-2006, 04:04 PM
Why is the Lounge full of DC shit?
If you read earlier in the thread....you'd get your answer.
This was posted in DC and moved.

htismaqe
06-01-2006, 04:05 PM
I think it's only slightly more likely than that the apocolypse will take place during my lifetime.

Like Peggy Noonan said in her column:



I just don't think it's likely. I think the American people, as a group, are getting what they really demand. Middle-of-the-road, creeping socialism-lite.

A very charismatic third party candidate could potentially get elected ala Jesse Ventura, but I don't think he/she'd be able to govern effectively and I just don't think we're going to see a replacement party anytime soon.

Bingo.

listopencil
06-01-2006, 04:17 PM
I have voted for them. What a ****ing waste.

There's no way they'll ever allow a 3rd-party hold significant offices.


I voted for them and I don't consider it a waste. I consider it holding true to the ideals that our election process is founded on. Right now the Libertarians are trying to reach that plateau that allows them to compete on a National level. Meanwhile they are creeping in and establishing themselves at the State and Local level. Now is the time to engage in debate and spread the word that there are alternatives.

Sully
06-01-2006, 04:20 PM
I just melted a bowl, so I'm ready for a Tupperware party.

banyon
06-01-2006, 04:23 PM
I have voted for them. What a ****ing waste.

There's no way they'll ever allow a 3rd-party hold significant offices.

Even if they don't win office it is not necessarily a waste.

I voted Green in 2000 and enough people did that in Florida to cost the Dems the election. Now maybe they'll do better than just pay lip service to the real environmental problems and maintain the status quo like they did under Clinton/Gore.