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The Poz
06-05-2006, 09:27 AM
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GRETZ: Not Waiting For Ty
Jun 05, 2006, 8:14:52 AM by Bob Gretz - FAQ


So, think the Chiefs are just sitting back and waiting for Ty Law to sign?


You dont know Herman Edwards and Gunther Cunningham very well then.

Whether Law ever wears a red and gold uniform, the Chiefs are preparing for the 2006 season like somebody other than the veteran free agent corner will be holding down the spot opposite Patrick Surtain.

Sometime in the next month, Law and the Chiefs will have serious discussions about a contract. That will happen only if his financial demands drop considerably from the numbers his representatives have been floating around the league. If Law is looking only for the biggest payday available to him, it doesnt appear likely hell land in Kansas City. If hes looking for a nice paycheck, a coach he knows and trusts, and the chance to be a final piece in a puzzle for a contender, then there could be an Arrowhead in his future.

The Chiefs have gone on about their business of getting the defense ready for the season. Theres no waiting around in football. They went out and grabbed a collection of corners, added them to a few already on the roster and theyve been working that group hard through the off-season.

So, we went to the head coach and asked him to put on his old scouting hat and tell us about these corners and what hes seen from them. He first wanted to talk about something all these corners share: defensive backs coach David Gibbs.

The greatest thing all these guys have going for them is their coach, David Gibbs, said Edwards. Hes not going to give an inch. I think they are starting to feel that. I think if they think they can break David Gibbs, they are in for a rude awakening. Plus, he has the head coachs backing too, so they had better come to understand what that situation is all about.

What we know is that we have guys back there with a lot of talent. With all of them, it starts with youve got to lineup correctly and youve got to us the proper technique. I cant say that enough to this whole football team right now. The guys that figure that out and get it done are the guys that are going to be on the field.

One player who knows that is Lenny Walls, a five-year NFL veteran who came over from Denver, where he played under Gibbs. Right now, hes running with the first team.

He had a pretty good mini-camp for a guy that had been out for a year, Edwards said of Walls. He came in and did some nice things. Hes a talented guy.

On to the other candidates:

JULIAN BATTLE A former third-round draft choice, now in his fourth NFL season and hes barely gotten on the field. Battle is coming off a torn Achilles tendon that cost him the entire 2005 season.

I think Julian Battle has great talent, but he plays in flashes, said Edwards. I tell players, that sometimes talent can be a curse if you dont use it correctly. Hes got to mature, so he can do things repeatedly over and over. He has to be more disciplined and I think hes going to learn that. If you are going to play in this secondary, you are going to be a disciplined guy because there are 10 guys counting on you to do it right.

MICHAEL BRAGG Last year, Bragg signed as a rookie free agent with the New York Giants, but was released before the start of the regular season. He signed with the Chiefs back in January. In college at Texas A&M-Kingsville he helped the Javelinas reach the Division II semifinals in 2003 and won All-America honors in the long jump three times.

He can run, and hes made some plays, said Edwards. The thing I noticed about him right away is hes gotten his hands on balls, hes knocked them away. Hes stripped probably three or four receivers. Hes a good finisher. Good secondary guys know they need to finish.

ALPHONSO HODGE A fifth-round draft pick from last season that never got on the field as a rookie.

I think hes improved, Edwards said. Hes played a little bit of nickel with Benny Sapp being unable to really practice because hes coming off an injury. Hes paying attention. Hes trying to do things as they are being taught. If he can show the discipline, of doing the things we ask, hes got a chance.

CHRIS JOHNSON As a college player at Louisville, Johnson once ran the 40-yard dash for NFL scouts in 4.18 seconds. Even the scouts with the slow stopwatches caught him in 4.22 seconds. A former seventh-round draft choice of Green Bay, Johnson spent two injury-filled seasons with the Packers before he was traded last year to the St. Louis Rams at the start of the 2005 season for LB Robert Thomas. He played 14 games, starting one for the Rams, with 25 tackles.

He can really run, but he has to trust his eyes more, said Edwards. We are going to be a zone team. We are going to play some man-to-man, but we are going to be predominantly a zone team. They have to have great eyes and they have to have great footwork so they can react to the ball. Thats where he must make improvement.

KEVIN GARRETT - A fifth-round selection in the 2003 NFL Draft by St. Louis, Garrett spent two seasons with the Rams playing in 23 games with one start and was released in the 2005 pre-season.

Hes got some talent, he has some skills, said Edwards. Hes another one who at the end of the day, he needs to trust his eyes. He can run fast, but he gets stuck sometimes when he doesnt believe what he is seeing. Thats new for a lot of these guys.

I told him he had more pressure on him than anybody in camp. He looked at me and said Why coach? I told him, you see that number you are wearing, No. 46. Dont screw that number up.

Edwards wore No. 46 during his NFL playing career.

MARCUS MAXEY A fifth-round pick in Aprils draft by the Chiefs out of the University of Miami, Maxey missed the work in the team mini-camp session because of an injury but should be back on the field soon.

Hes doing OK in the classroom, but like for most rookies, the whole thing is spinning a little bit, said Edwards. We are asking him to do some things that he didnt do in Miami. Hes got some talent. Hell be fine.

Not included in this discussion was Justin Perkins, who spent the spring playing in NFL Europe and was part of the World Bowl game there with the Amsterdam Admirals.

jlscorpio
06-05-2006, 09:35 AM
Decent article for Gretz. I see Walls starting if we don't sign Law. Battle should see significant time also. CB is one position I'll be interested in when I'm at River Falls...

Logical
06-05-2006, 09:55 AM
It is good they are not waiting because I really am pretty sure we won't see Ty in a Chiefs uni this year. I hope there is some hidden talent or we are in trouble in the secondary.

KCTitus
06-05-2006, 09:57 AM
I dont think we see Law in a KC jersey any time. He's going to find some team to pay him his ridiculous demands and KC shouldnt be one of them.

Kerberos
06-05-2006, 09:58 AM
Unlike DV I think Herm will get the BEST out of all the players on this team ESPECIALLY at CB position.

With or W/O Ty Law

Just IMO and a gut feeling.

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Logical
06-05-2006, 10:14 AM
Unlike DV I think Herm will get the BEST out of all the players on this team ESPECIALLY at CB position.

With or W/O Ty Law

Just IMO and a gut feeling.

.Lets hope so. But other than D, DV did tend to get the BEST out of his players. I worry that we will see the flip side with Herm.

morphius
06-05-2006, 10:21 AM
Nice little break down on the players. CB is a scary position for us. I was hoping that Hodge would make more of an impact, and maybe he will in training camp. Seems we have a lot of athletic and fast guys, just none of them are polished enough yet, and in the NFL that lack of instinct/technique will get a lot of yellow thrown your way, or worse, a lot of balls thrown your way.

Have to hope that between Gibbs, Gun and Edwards that they can coach a couple of them up.

Mr. Laz
06-05-2006, 10:26 AM
We are going to be a zone team.
we should just trade surtain now then

Pitt Gorilla
06-05-2006, 10:30 AM
It sounds like we have speed to spare. If we can focus that into productivity, we'll be ok.

morphius
06-05-2006, 10:33 AM
we should just trade surtain now then
Maybe this year we will at least allow him to bump the people in the zone...

alpha_omega
06-05-2006, 10:33 AM
Good article...i think it is going to be Walls.

DaKCMan AP
06-05-2006, 10:37 AM
The thing I noticed about him right away is hes gotten his hands on balls, hes knocked them away. Hes stripped probably three or four receivers. Hes a good finisher. Good secondary guys know they need to finish.


ROFL

StcChief
06-05-2006, 10:40 AM
Waiting for Ty Law....to decide where he wants to play.
Hell could freeze over.

Let Walls, Battle, et.al fight it out.

Mr. Laz
06-05-2006, 10:50 AM
Maybe this year we will at least allow him to bump the people in the zone...

i just hope like hell that we play some kind of matchup zone at least.


stay in your zone

if a man come into your zone you man up until he leaves your zone


to many times in the past we have guys just sitting in their zone while a guy catches a pass uncontested on the edge of the zone. :shake:



just because your playing zone doesn't mean you shouldn't try and make a play on the ball imo.

morphius
06-05-2006, 10:52 AM
i just hope like hell that we play some kind of matchup zone at least.


stay in your zone

if a man come into your zone you man up until he leaves your zone


to many times in the past we have guys just sitting in their zone while a guy catches a pass uncontested on the edge of the zone. :shake:



just because your playing zone doesn't mean you shouldn't try and make a play on the ball imo.
I can remember under Robinson that some of the players looked to actually look at their feet to see if they were in the right spot, didn't care about who was in their zone at all.

ct
06-05-2006, 10:55 AM
Curious as to why no mention of Benny Sapp, other than Hodge played some nickel while he was out.

go bowe
06-05-2006, 11:53 AM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2006/06/05/gretz_not_waiting_for_ty/

GRETZ: Not Waiting For Ty
Jun 05, 2006, 8:14:52 AM by Bob Gretz - FAQ

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ALPHONSO HODGE A fifth-round draft pick from last season that never got on the field as a rookie.

I think hes improved, Edwards said. Hes played a little bit of nickel with Benny Sapp being unable to really practice because hes coming off an injury. Hes paying attention. Hes trying to do things as they are being taught. If he can show the discipline, of doing the things we ask, hes got a chance.

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Wile_E_Coyote
06-05-2006, 12:00 PM
they finally got around to removing Washington from the player list http://www.kcchiefs.com/players/

Florida_Bronco
06-05-2006, 12:03 PM
I see Walls starting if we don't sign Law.

I can only hope.

ct
06-05-2006, 12:05 PM
I can only hope.

While I'm sure you're thrilled, I am very nervous about this D if Lenny Walls "earns" a starting spot.

SNR
06-05-2006, 12:14 PM
I like what he says about Julian Battle. He seems to know where the problem is.

I wonder if Bartee would have worked out for us if we had Herm during the Vermeil years...

tk13
06-05-2006, 12:15 PM
That's the first I've heard Herm confirm we're going to play a lot of zone. I don't think that's surprising considering the type of DB's we added/drafted. I don't know, I'm really not as worried about that 2nd CB for some reason, I just think we're going to play a lot of zone and not ask our corners to do too much. I think Herm will find somebody who can just keep things in front of them and make plays.

Iowanian
06-05-2006, 01:12 PM
I like that type of Article from Grits. Player breakdowns and information like that are what I like to read this time of year, more than fluff.

I don't see the obsession with battle that some have. He's converted positions, hasn't shown anything on the field to date and is coming off of an achielles injury to play a defensive position that requires good footwork and fast breaks to the ball.

I could see him being cut.

Chiefnj
06-05-2006, 01:20 PM
Walls, Battle, Hodge, Garrett, Maxey and Bragg?

Gibbs better be the secondary coach of the year.

Chief Faithful
06-05-2006, 01:32 PM
I can only hope.

The best the donks secondary has been in years was when Walls was healthy and starting a few years back. Do you think it was Walls or Gibbs that made the difference?

Chief Faithful
06-05-2006, 01:35 PM
Good article.

I don't know if any of those guys listed will be an improvement, but Walls was excellent in zone defense when he was a healthy starter for the Donks. It will be interesting to see who rises to the top although I seriously doubt any will reach the level of Law.

Mecca
06-05-2006, 10:26 PM
Curious as to why no mention of Benny Sapp, other than Hodge played some nickel while he was out.

I don't see him making the team.........a corner with no coverage ability doesn't exactly sound like a good thing to have.

htismaqe
06-05-2006, 10:29 PM
i just hope like hell that we play some kind of matchup zone at least.


stay in your zone

if a man come into your zone you man up until he leaves your zone


to many times in the past we have guys just sitting in their zone while a guy catches a pass uncontested on the edge of the zone. :shake:



just because your playing zone doesn't mean you shouldn't try and make a play on the ball imo.

What you're talking about is playing tight zone vs. soft or loose zone.

We played way too much soft zone. Ironically, it's exactly what we did when Gunther was HC.

philfree
06-05-2006, 10:40 PM
Well there were alot of fans round here that put alot of the blame for our poor secondary play on the secondary coaches so if the changes that were made are for the better then at least one of those guys will step up. Walls looks like the #2 to me at this point with Sapp as the $.05.


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